Good Rally Game?

I have to say that I've been fairly disappointed by the reviews of Rallisport Challenge that I've been reading as I was hoping it might provide me with a top-notch graphics/physics rally game. It sounds like only the graphics make the game good. So what do people recommend instead? I'm vaguely familiar with CMR2, but I've had troubles finding it in the US & I wonder if the graphics aren't showing their age by now? Is CMR3 planned for the PC? I've only found stuff about a PS2 & XBox version. So... What do people recommend for a good rally game - or is there something in the pipeline that I should wait for? Thanks! Mark

This question gets asked *alot*. Go back and Search this news group for all the different answers. Three always show up: (1) Rally Trophy, (2) CM, and (3) Mobil Rally Championship. hth, jeff "Mark Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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> I have to say that I've been fairly disappointed by the reviews of > Rallisport Challenge that I've been reading as I was hoping it might > provide me with a top-notch graphics/physics rally game. It sounds > like only the graphics make the game good. So what do people > recommend instead? I'm vaguely familiar with CMR2, but I've had > troubles finding it in the US & I wonder if the graphics aren't > showing their age by now? Is CMR3 planned for the PC? I've only > found stuff about a PS2 & XBox version. > > So... > > What do people recommend for a good rally game - or is there something > in the pipeline that I should wait for? > > Thanks! > Mark > > >

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Michelin Rally Masters is worth a look too.

Okay, sorry 'bout that. I found lots of discussion of CMR3 and threads about problems with rallisport, but missed an 'overall' thread. I'll look again. Mark "Jeff Canar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > This question gets asked *alot*. <<SNIP>>

"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aqpffb$bl8om$[email hidden]... > Michelin Rally Masters is worth a look too. For anyone in interested in Australia (and maybe NZ) if you buy CMR2 at the moment (which is only $20) you get Michelin Rally masters free. That's if you buy the "gamenation" version. Just spreading the good news David Corless

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> I have to say that I've been fairly disappointed by the reviews of > Rallisport Challenge that I've been reading as I was hoping it might provide > me with a top-notch graphics/physics rally game. It sounds like only the > graphics make the game good. So what do people recommend instead? I'm > vaguely familiar with CMR2, but I've had troubles finding it in the US & I > wonder if the graphics aren't showing their age by now? Is CMR3 planned for > the PC? I've only found stuff about a PS2 & XBox version. >

Rally games are hard to get in the US. You can try looking at online stores, though. I've only seen a few rally games in stores, usually in the bargain bins. They don't even have Colin McRae 3 for the Playstation 2. Must be like trying to get a Nascar game in Europe. Colin McRae 2 seems OK. I have only tried the demo. I'm not big on the driving- it's not exactly arcade physics, but the roads are so wide and the turns are setup as such than you are suppossed to use alot of handbrake and slide alot. It just seems really repetitive. The graphics are fine until you hit a tree. I think CMR3 is coming to the PC, unless it's been cancelled. I think it was listed for fall 2002. Rally Masters (developed by DICE, also did Rallisport) is really good, I like it the best. The physics are good (maybe a little too good- twitchy handling sometimes), and the roads are slighly narrower. It's not as simple as Colin McRae, you can either go all out as long as you master powersliding, or use a more conservative use of gas and brakes and still win. The only thing that stinks is the short stages that take only about 2-4 minutes to do in the "campaign" modes. I get most of my kicks by driving about 20+ laps in the quick races. Mobile Rally Champnioship- only tried the demo, hard to find in the US. I didn't like this one. All the reviews said the graphics were good, but they look more like a painting than photorealistic. The roads are all very, very narrow (1 car wide), and the courses are long without too many big turns. Suppossedly modelled on a real rally. Maybe realistic, but also boring. I read that there's a patch that lets you adjust the physics, which weren't that great in the demo- grass seemed to slow down the car too much. Rally Tropyh- tried the demo, liked it, ordered it- waiting for it. The stages in the demo are a good length, not too short, not too long. The graphics are nice, physics are nice- but different driving than Rally Masters. Instead of executing precision turns and moderating your speed, it's more like rocketting down a road, bouncing, trying to keep from flying off and hitting the rocks and trees. Master Rallye- PS2/X-Box to PC port. I picked this up for a few dollars. It's OK, but more like an off-road game- the cars/trucks slide very little and have alot of grip, but this may not be totally unrealistic. Unfortunately, it looks like there won't be any mods for it ever. The physics seem good but a little off (no need to use the brake at all on the early cars). It also has annoying console style locks on most of the cars, and the routes get alot harder quick. The AI drivers are also assholes and will ram you way too much- not very sporting, and there's no "time attack" mode. It doesn't have a co-driver, just visual pace notes, which is annoying because a few turns will pop up too soon and a co-driver really helps. But for 5 bucks it's a good buy. No co driver.

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> So... > > What do people recommend for a good rally game - or is there something in > the pipeline that I should wait for? > > Thanks! > Mark

"David Corless" <david.corless.no.spam[@]utseduau> wrote in message news:7W_z9.26976$[email hidden]... > For anyone in interested in Australia (and maybe NZ) if you buy CMR2 atthe > moment (which is only $20) you get Michelin Rally masters free. That's if > you buy the "gamenation" version. Thats a great deal IMO. But be prepared to spend more time playing the free game :) CMR2 is a fun arcade rally game with some excellent tracks but Rally Masters kept me coming back longer - the physics is hardly "super-realistic" but it's closer than any of the codemasters releases so far and it has a much better tarmac model than cmr2. iksteh

On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:07:27 -0500, "Mark Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I have to say that I've been fairly disappointed by the reviews of >Rallisport Challenge that I've been reading as I was hoping it might provide >me with a top-notch graphics/physics rally game. It sounds like only the >graphics make the game good. It also has what so many driving games lack - gameplay. Unless you are only interested in driving physics realism, you can't go wrong with Rallisport.

as this *is* rec.autos.*simulation*, physics realism happens to be one of our priorities... <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:07:27 -0500, "Mark Roberts" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I have to say that I've been fairly disappointed by the reviews of > >Rallisport Challenge that I've been reading as I was hoping it mightprovide

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> >me with a top-notch graphics/physics rally game. It sounds like only the > >graphics make the game good. > > It also has what so many driving games lack - gameplay. > > Unless you are only interested in driving physics realism, you can't > go wrong with Rallisport.

In-car view has nothing to do with physicist, but this "real" feature would have been nice. Todd "Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:07:27 -0500, "Mark Roberts" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I have to say that I've been fairly disappointed by the reviews of > >Rallisport Challenge that I've been reading as I was hoping it mightprovide

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> >me with a top-notch graphics/physics rally game. It sounds like only the > >graphics make the game good. > > It also has what so many driving games lack - gameplay. > > Unless you are only interested in driving physics realism, you can't > go wrong with Rallisport.

I for one really like the long (read "realistic") stages on Mobil 1 Rally Championship, though sometimes the physics seems questionable. Are there any other Rally sims with long stages? "e f" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >

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> Mobile Rally Champnioship- only tried the demo, hard to find in the > US. I didn't like this one. All the reviews said the graphics were > good, but they look more like a painting than photorealistic. The > roads are all very, very narrow (1 car wide), and the courses are long > without too many big turns. Suppossedly modelled on a real rally. > Maybe realistic, but also boring. I read that there's a patch that > lets you adjust the physics, which weren't that great in the demo- > grass seemed to slow down the car too much.

get Rally Masters , great off road physics or Rally Trophy , but make sure you get the patch for it or it controls poorly at times. Mobil rally is pretty but boring and soso physics. "Mark Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have to say that I've been fairly disappointed by the reviews of > Rallisport Challenge that I've been reading as I was hoping it mightprovide > me with a top-notch graphics/physics rally game. It sounds like only the > graphics make the game good. So what do people recommend instead? I'm > vaguely familiar with CMR2, but I've had troubles finding it in the US & I > wonder if the graphics aren't showing their age by now? Is CMR3 plannedfor

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> the PC? I've only found stuff about a PS2 & XBox version. > > So... > > What do people recommend for a good rally game - or is there something in > the pipeline that I should wait for? > > Thanks! > Mark > >

Where can I get the patch for Rally Trophy? RBB "res0zlh0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8npA9.14316$[email hidden]...

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> get Rally Masters , great off road physics > or Rally Trophy , but make sure you get the patch for it or it controls > poorly at times. > Mobil rally is pretty but boring and soso physics. > > > "Mark Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I have to say that I've been fairly disappointed by the reviews of > > Rallisport Challenge that I've been reading as I was hoping it might > provide > > me with a top-notch graphics/physics rally game. It sounds like only

the > > graphics make the game good. So what do people recommend instead? I'm > > vaguely familiar with CMR2, but I've had troubles finding it in the US &I

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> > wonder if the graphics aren't showing their age by now? Is CMR3 planned > for > > the PC? I've only found stuff about a PS2 & XBox version. > > > > So... > > > > What do people recommend for a good rally game - or is there something

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> > the pipeline that I should wait for? > > > > Thanks! > > Mark > > > > > >

On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:03:45 -0500, "JTBurn" <[email hidden]> wrote: >In-car view has nothing to do with physicist, but this "real" feature would >have been nice. I use to go ballistic about that too. I've since decided that it's the most over-rated feature in a driving game, whether it's sim or arcade. The reality of human perception is that you don't really see the inside of a car when you are driving. What you are focused on, the information your brain processes, is the road in front of you. A cockpit-less "bumper cam" is actually the most authentic driving view that can be portrayed on a 2D monitor. I know many here will vehemently disagree with this, as I would have in the past. But that doesn't change the fact that they are wrong. ;-)

Yes, but NOT Master Rallye if I remember right. -Larry "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aqpffb$bl8om$[email hidden]... > Michelin Rally Masters is worth a look too. > >

I can't drive sitting on the roof :( -Larry "Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:07:27 -0500, "Mark Roberts" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I have to say that I've been fairly disappointed by the reviews of > >Rallisport Challenge that I've been reading as I was hoping it mightprovide

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> >me with a top-notch graphics/physics rally game. It sounds like only the > >graphics make the game good. > > It also has what so many driving games lack - gameplay. > > Unless you are only interested in driving physics realism, you can't > go wrong with Rallisport.

On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:32:58 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Yes, but NOT Master Rallye if I remember right. Master Rallye was really good except for 2 things - it lacked a proper cockpit view (there was a camera that was positioned near where the cockpit would be, and you have gauge overlays) and the textures really wear on you after awhile, lots of the same grass/dirt textures. Other than that, the stages are somewhere between the length of CMR2 and RC2000, generally about 5 minutes long, and the physics handling is imho about a notch higher than Porsche Unleashed. Too much grip, but the weight transfer is good if exaggerated and it's actually quite possible to overload the suspension and lose the back end. I had fun with it for a week or two. Jason

On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:38:40 GMT, Joe62 <[email hidden]> wrote: >I know many here will vehemently disagree with this, as I would have >in the past. But that doesn't change the fact that they are wrong. ;-) Human drivers can see the cockpit and the general dimensions of the car - it's called peripheral vision. I don't know how the hell people drive from nose cam views in racing sims. It takes entirely too much effort to learn the dimensions of the car driving from that view when you can just sit in the cockpit and get a better feel for where your tires, hood, etc are in relationship to the track. Jason

Non-cockpit would have been enough to turn me off... -Larry "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:32:58 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Yes, but NOT Master Rallye if I remember right. > > Master Rallye was really good except for 2 things - it lacked a proper > cockpit view (there was a camera that was positioned near where the > cockpit would be, and you have gauge overlays) and the textures really > wear on you after awhile, lots of the same grass/dirt textures. > > Other than that, the stages are somewhere between the length of CMR2 > and RC2000, generally about 5 minutes long, and the physics handling > is imho about a notch higher than Porsche Unleashed. Too much grip, > but the weight transfer is good if exaggerated and it's actually quite > possible to overload the suspension and lose the back end. > > I had fun with it for a week or two. > > Jason