I turned on 4xFSAA and at 1600x1200, and frame rate was NOT affected
at all.
Radeon 9700 Pro FSAA performance in sims
Owners reported that the Radeon 9700 Pro ran NR2002 at 1600x1200 with 4x FSAA and little frame-rate cost, though Tim Miser could not match those numbers. Posters noted that FSAA did not apply to 16-bit GPL. They also discussed ghost-car glitches and whether nVidia's delayed NV30 could compete on price.
hardware: PC/graphicsNASCAR Racing 2002 Season
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What sim was that in?
Can you possibly post a link to some screen shots of it on and off.
What sort of frame rates are you getting?
"John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I turned on 4xFSAA and at 1600x1200, and frame rate was NOT affected
> at all.
In article <hFqA9.188737$[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
NR2k2, and the frame rates depend on the track (where you are on the
track, what's happening in front of you, and what view your drive
in), but they haven't gone below 35, and have been as high as 125,
and yes - that's WITH 4X FSAA turned on.
1600x1200 screen shots are gonna be huge, but I can put some sections
of screenshots up. I'll do it when I get home from work tonight.
GPL doesn't seem to be affected by FSAA settings. Maybe I'm doing
something wrong in that sim...
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> What sim was that in? > Can you possibly post a link to some screen shots of it on and off. > What sort of frame rates are you getting? > > "John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I turned on 4xFSAA and at 1600x1200, and frame rate was NOT affected > > at all.It's nice to know this card is good since it costs a bazillion $$.
Todd
"John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I turned on 4xFSAA and at 1600x1200, and frame rate was NOT affected
> at all.
Pretty sure GPL only runs 16bit and FSAA only works in 32 bit.
Sounds like good frame rates. What all settings do you have on for
graphics? Is everything maxed out?
"John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <hFqA9.188737$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > What sim was that in? > > Can you possibly post a link to some screen shots of it on and off. > > What sort of frame rates are you getting? > > > > "John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I turned on 4xFSAA and at 1600x1200, and frame rate was NOT affected > > > at all. > > > NR2k2, and the frame rates depend on the track (where you are on the > track, what's happening in front of you, and what view your drive > in), but they haven't gone below 35, and have been as high as 125, > and yes - that's WITH 4X FSAA turned on. > > 1600x1200 screen shots are gonna be huge, but I can put some sections > of screenshots up. I'll do it when I get home from work tonight. > > > GPL doesn't seem to be affected by FSAA settings. Maybe I'm doing > something wrong in that sim...Through www.pricewatch.com you can find this card at almost 100 bucks
cheaper than the suggested retail price of 399.
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> It's nice to know this card is good since it costs a bazillion $$. > Todd > > "John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I turned on 4xFSAA and at 1600x1200, and frame rate was NOT affected > > at all. > >> > "John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message...
> GPL doesn't seem to be affected by FSAA settings.
> Maybe I'm doing something wrong in that sim...
That's another impressive feature of the 9700 - it does FSAA only in 32bit,
but GPL uses 16bit :-)
Achim
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:38:24 -0000, "Joachim Trensz"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
What happens if you set your screen to 32-bit and then run GPL in a
window?
(OK, so I'm curious...)
Ian
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GPL Rank +1.76 Monsters of GPL +284.19
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>> > "John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >... >> GPL doesn't seem to be affected by FSAA settings. >> Maybe I'm doing something wrong in that sim... > >That's another impressive feature of the 9700 - it does FSAA only in 32bit, >but GPL uses 16bit :-) > >AchimI honestly don't know, but since the graphics in GPL are only 16bit, I think
setting a different screen resolution doesn't help.
Achim
"Ian Riches" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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32bit,
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> On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:38:24 -0000, "Joachim Trensz" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> > "John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >... > >> GPL doesn't seem to be affected by FSAA settings. > >> Maybe I'm doing something wrong in that sim... > > > >That's another impressive feature of the 9700 - it does FSAA only inQuoted text (13 lines)
> >but GPL uses 16bit :-) > > > >Achim > > What happens if you set your screen to 32-bit and then run GPL in a > window? > > (OK, so I'm curious...) > > Ian > -- > Ian Riches > GPL Rank +1.76 Monsters of GPL +284.19On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:05:53 -0000, "Joachim Trensz"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
<snip discussion of whether 32-bit windowed mode would work for FSAA
in GPL on a 9700>
>I honestly don't know, but since the graphics in GPL are only 16bit, I think
>setting a different screen resolution doesn't help.
Well...I volunteer to test it if someone will send me a 9700 ;-)
Ian
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GPL Rank +1.76 Monsters of GPL +284.19
"John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I turned on 4xFSAA and at 1600x1200, and frame rate was NOT affected
> at all.
Yep...installed my 9700 last week. 1600 X 1200...all options maxed...draw
distance maxed. NR2002 looks awesome. Even my wife said she could notice
the difference...so it had to be REALLY good.
By the way...I haven't seen a frame rate hit with aniso. filtering either
!!. BUT, I get transparent or "ghost" cars occasionally. Not totally
translucent, but not quite opaque, either. Bah! It doesn't matter when I'm
leading!
Jeff
And you think the NV30 (whenever and even if it will come out by 2004) is
going to be cheaper? ROFL!
The 9700pro is $320.00 right now. By the time the NV30 comes out it will be
down to probably around $300 or even less.
What's the NV30 gonna cost? Try $400-500. It will not be cheaper than
$400.00, guaranteed! And it won't be all that much faster than the 9700
either if at all. When the NV30 comes out I think ATI cards will start
flying off the shelf.
Vintook
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> It's nice to know this card is good since it costs a bazillion $$. > Todd > > "John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I turned on 4xFSAA and at 1600x1200, and frame rate was NOT affected > > at all. > >In article <aqu9jp$e9v$[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...
I turned on aniso, but it didn't appear to make any diff in the
quality of the image. Maybe I just don't know what to look for...
I only have 30 cars drawn ahead because I've only been in a couple of
online races that had more than 25 or so. Other than that,
everything is on.
I also noticed that the smoke and dirt clouds look more real.
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> > "John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I turned on 4xFSAA and at 1600x1200, and frame rate was NOT affected > > at all. > > Yep...installed my 9700 last week. 1600 X 1200...all options maxed...draw > distance maxed. NR2002 looks awesome. Even my wife said she could notice > the difference...so it had to be REALLY good. > > By the way...I haven't seen a frame rate hit with aniso. filtering either > !!. BUT, I get transparent or "ghost" cars occasionally. Not totally > translucent, but not quite opaque, either. Bah! It doesn't matter when I'm > leading! >I have no idea how the nv30 will compare with a current 9700Pro or what the
price of it will be however I would expect it to retail at $399.
One thing is for certain, Nvidia missed a very important product cycle.
Maybe it was because they hired a bunch of former 3dfx engineers?!! :)
Anyway, comparisons between the nv30 and 9700Pro are really pointless
because the R300 will not compete with the nv30. The R350 will probably be
out before nv30 so that would be the nv30 competition and while nvidia is
struggling with all of their resources to make this year's card before
spring of next year, ATI is already working on next year's technology
positioning themselves to spoil the eventual introduction of the nv30.
I can already see the sales angle, Nvidia's first generation DX9 product vs.
ATI's second generation DX9 product. (Of course, DX9 probably still won't
be out yet!) My or my, how history keeps repeating itself.
-Tim
"Vintook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> And you think the NV30 (whenever and even if it will come out by 2004) is
> going to be cheaper? ROFL!
>
> The 9700pro is $320.00 right now. By the time the NV30 comes out it willbe
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> down to probably around $300 or even less. > > What's the NV30 gonna cost? Try $400-500. It will not be cheaper than > $400.00, guaranteed! And it won't be all that much faster than the 9700 > either if at all. When the NV30 comes out I think ATI cards will start > flying off the shelf. > > Vintook > > "JTBurn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > It's nice to know this card is good since it costs a bazillion $$. > > Todd > > > > "John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I turned on 4xFSAA and at 1600x1200, and frame rate was NOT affected > > > at all. > > > > > >There is no way I can get those kinds of framerates with my 9700 and 1900XP
with everything maxed at 16x12x32 4xFSAA and 16x Anios. Are you racing with
43 cars with view/drawing of 43 out the front and rear and sitting at the
back of a 43 car field?? Maybe it's a CPU bottleneck but I think when
people here are talking NR2002 and saying "all graphics maxed" that they are
not realizing that everything truly is maxed. Also, I think simulation and
realistic damage mode creates a big fps slowdown because in a multi-car pile
up, with all the dent and debris modeling, the sim really falls to it's
knees in framerate.
On the plus side, the visuals truly are stunning and with the 9700Pro, D3D
is better looking(more vibrant colors) and faster than OGL IMHO.
-Tim
"Jeff Leonard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > "John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I turned on 4xFSAA and at 1600x1200, and frame rate was NOT affected > > at all. > > Yep...installed my 9700 last week. 1600 X 1200...all options maxed...draw > distance maxed. NR2002 looks awesome. Even my wife said she could notice > the difference...so it had to be REALLY good. > > By the way...I haven't seen a frame rate hit with aniso. filtering either > !!. BUT, I get transparent or "ghost" cars occasionally. Not totally > translucent, but not quite opaque, either. Bah! It doesn't matter when I'm > leading! > > Jeff > >
"Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> There is no way I can get those kinds of framerates with my 9700 and1900XP
> with everything maxed at 16x12x32 4xFSAA and 16x Anios. Are you racingwith
> 43 cars with view/drawing of 43 out the front and rear and sitting at the
> back of a 43 car field?? Maybe it's a CPU bottleneck but I think when
> people here are talking NR2002 and saying "all graphics maxed" that theyare
> not realizing that everything truly is maxed. Also, I think simulationand
> realistic damage mode creates a big fps slowdown because in a multi-carpile
Hi Tim.
I'm running a 2.4 p4, 256ram & xp home. I run 16 x 12, 4xFSAA, 8X Anios, 43
out front, 6 rear, all details maxed, d3d. (d3d & ogl don't seem to make a
diff in frame rate, YMMV.)
At Daytona backstretch, rear of field I am 40 frames +-5 (with AI cars).
Online...I don't look at frame counter too often, but I have never seen it
below 50 when I did.
BUT(!), I turn down active sounds played 8. Even before I upgraded system
last week, less sounds=better frame rate. You may want to try that.
I can't say it enough...I love with my 9700.
Jeff
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> up, with all the dent and debris modeling, the sim really falls to it's > knees in framerate. > > On the plus side, the visuals truly are stunning and with the 9700Pro, D3D > is better looking(more vibrant colors) and faster than OGL IMHO. > > -TimMaybe, but I have a theory on all this...
I firmly believe that when a card manufacturer releases their new, 'fastest'
card, it's replacement is basically already done and in the later stages of
tweaking.
If you remember, the NV30 was delayed by nVidia.
I think it's possible that nVidia saw what the 9700 could do, and what was
_supposed_ to be the NV30 was not released. Instead, they are digging into
what would have been the successor to the NV30, and thus the reason for the
delay.
Just a theory :)
nVidia would never release a card that's slower than anything currently on
the market. Not in this day of competition.
-Larry
"Vintook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> And you think the NV30 (whenever and even if it will come out by 2004) is
> going to be cheaper? ROFL!
>
> The 9700pro is $320.00 right now. By the time the NV30 comes out it willbe
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> down to probably around $300 or even less. > > What's the NV30 gonna cost? Try $400-500. It will not be cheaper than > $400.00, guaranteed! And it won't be all that much faster than the 9700 > either if at all. When the NV30 comes out I think ATI cards will start > flying off the shelf. > > Vintook > > "JTBurn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > It's nice to know this card is good since it costs a bazillion $$. > > Todd > > > > "John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I turned on 4xFSAA and at 1600x1200, and frame rate was NOT affected > > > at all. > > > > > >Um... Oh, never mind :)
-Larry
"Jeff Leonard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I can't say it enough...I love with my 9700.
>
> Jeff
Hey, you gotta problem with that???!! ;)
I'm not admitting anything here when I tell you that my 9700 Pro outperforms
my wife. ('s videocard.)
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> Um... Oh, never mind :) > > -Larry > > "Jeff Leonard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > I can't say it enough...I love with my 9700. > > > > Jeff > >Ouch!
-Larry
"Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hey, you gotta problem with that???!! ;)
>
> I'm not admitting anything here when I tell you that my 9700 Prooutperforms
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> my wife. ('s videocard.) > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:L8OA9.3971$[email hidden]... > > Um... Oh, never mind :) > > > > -Larry > > > > "Jeff Leonard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > I can't say it enough...I love with my 9700. > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > >Ouch!
-Larry
> Hey, you gotta problem with that???!! ;)
> I'm not admitting anything here when I tell you that my 9700 Pro outperforms
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> my wife. ('s videocard.) > > Um... Oh, never mind :) > > -Larry > > > I can't say it enough...I love with my 9700. > > > JeffPossible, but if it was a bit slower than a 9700 Pro, price it at $349 and
all of the loyal nvidia users would still buy it. Right now, ATI is only
taking away market share from Nvidia and will only take more away the longer
nvidia goes without having some product to sell. Even the loyal nvidia
users are switching to ATI because they have no other choice. Heck, there
were so many people in this newsgroup who said originally they were going to
wait for nv30 but after the delay, many of them have given up the waiting
and bought ATI.
-Tim
"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Maybe, but I have a theory on all this...
>
> I firmly believe that when a card manufacturer releases their new,'fastest'
> card, it's replacement is basically already done and in the later stagesof
> tweaking.
>
> If you remember, the NV30 was delayed by nVidia.
>
> I think it's possible that nVidia saw what the 9700 could do, and what was
> _supposed_ to be the NV30 was not released. Instead, they are digginginto
> what would have been the successor to the NV30, and thus the reason forthe
is
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> delay. > > Just a theory :) > > nVidia would never release a card that's slower than anything currently on > the market. Not in this day of competition. > > -Larry > > "Vintook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > And you think the NV30 (whenever and even if it will come out by 2004)Quoted text (28 lines)
> > going to be cheaper? ROFL! > > > > The 9700pro is $320.00 right now. By the time the NV30 comes out it will > be > > down to probably around $300 or even less. > > > > What's the NV30 gonna cost? Try $400-500. It will not be cheaper than > > $400.00, guaranteed! And it won't be all that much faster than the 9700 > > either if at all. When the NV30 comes out I think ATI cards will start > > flying off the shelf. > > > > Vintook > > > > "JTBurn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > It's nice to know this card is good since it costs a bazillion $$. > > > Todd > > > > > > "John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I turned on 4xFSAA and at 1600x1200, and frame rate was NOT affected > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > > >Myself, I'm not loyal to any corporation.
Whoever provides the best product at the best price and provides reasonable
support gets my money at any one particular purchase point.
I was waiting for the 9700 Pro AIW. I was going to buy one as soon as it
hit the street. The talk was it wasn't neutered like previous AIW's have
been.
But, alas, ATI figured out a way to screw it up anyway, and I won't buy one
now.
The AIW version doesn't support dual-displays :( Damn them!
-Larry
"Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Possible, but if it was a bit slower than a 9700 Pro, price it at $349 and
> all of the loyal nvidia users would still buy it. Right now, ATI is only
> taking away market share from Nvidia and will only take more away thelonger
> nvidia goes without having some product to sell. Even the loyal nvidia
> users are switching to ATI because they have no other choice. Heck, there
> were so many people in this newsgroup who said originally they were goingto
was
on
will
> > be
> > > down to probably around $300 or even less.
> > >
> > > What's the NV30 gonna cost? Try $400-500. It will not be cheaper than
> > > $400.00, guaranteed! And it won't be all that much faster than the9700
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