LFS 1.0 Release plans!

Hi - this is pasted from the LFS newsletter - 1.0 full release should be out Q1 next year! www.liveforspeed.net Hello Racers! The LFS development team has come up with a plan for Release 1. Firstly, note that Release 1 is intended to be a complete product and will contain a range from road cars, through modified rallycross cars and up to GT cars. Karting, single seaters and buggies are to be left out of Release 1 and will come out in later releases. That was decided a while ago but please read on to find out about the new Release 1 plan. Note : all dates given in this announcement are only estimates - not promises. The next proper update is Demo Test 0.2 - this will be very like the current Demo Test and of course free of charge but will contain mainly improvements to the tyre physics and multiplayer system including qualifying, better reliability and reduced lag. In addition there will be minor improvements to the track and the car models including working dials and so on, non-uk keyboard support, clutch and shifter support with associated engine damage and some other things that have been mentioned on the Suggestions for Improvement forum. We may include a skid pad as well. This is expected in early January 2003. Our new plan for Release 1 is to release it in 4 downloadable stages, we will charge a price for these - each one at 25% of the total price of Release 1. The first 25% release will come out a few weeks after Demo Test 0.2 after sorting out any bugs or problems that come up. So - we estimate early February 2003. It will contain the 3 cars from the Demo Test and 3 more road-style cars including one or two four wheel drives. Two extra tracks will be included - a city track and a country track with a few configs in each. More music will be included as well. At that stage neither the full damage system nor all the planned improvements to graphics and sound will have been done - the idea is that while Eric is continuing to add or finish more tracks and cars for subsequent releases, I will be continuing to develop the program all the time as well on the way to Release 1. The next three 25% releases will contain in the region of 4 cars and 3 tracks each and will come out at intervals of 2 or 3 months. The 4 stages are downloadable and a CD will become available when the full Release 1 is completed (i.e. the 4th stage is finished). We like this plan a lot because we avoid any need for the services of a publisher, the community will no longer be bored with the same cars and tracks, we start to earn a living, we continue learning and improving our methods with each 25% release, and the whole thing builds up in a way that we can handle. We are very interested in your opinion in this matter and would like to ask you to vote in a poll at our forum at RSC. However if you do not want to register, we understand and you are in no way obligated to do so. Thank you for your time and support!

p.s. Never have I been so happy to have the opportunity to fork out some money for software... "Tim Epstein" <eppy@no)spam.pobox.com> wrote in message news:BJNC9.1882$[email hidden]... > Hi - this is pasted from the LFS newsletter - 1.0 full release should beout

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> Q1 next year! > > www.liveforspeed.net > > > Hello Racers! The LFS development team has come up with a plan for Release > 1. > > Firstly, note that Release 1 is intended to be a complete product and will > contain a range from road cars, through modified rallycross cars and up to > GT cars. Karting, single seaters and buggies are to be left out of Release

1 > and will come out in later releases. That was decided a while ago butplease > read on to find out about the new Release 1 plan. > > Note : all dates given in this announcement are only estimates - not > promises. > > The next proper update is Demo Test 0.2 - this will be very like thecurrent > Demo Test and of course free of charge but will contain mainlyimprovements > to the tyre physics and multiplayer system including qualifying, better > reliability and reduced lag. In addition there will be minor improvementsto

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> the track and the car models including working dials and so on, non-uk > keyboard support, clutch and shifter support with associated engine damage > and some other things that have been mentioned on the Suggestions for > Improvement forum. We may include a skid pad as well. This is expected in > early January 2003. > > Our new plan for Release 1 is to release it in 4 downloadable stages, we > will charge a price for these - each one at 25% of the total price of > Release 1. > > The first 25% release will come out a few weeks after Demo Test 0.2 after > sorting out any bugs or problems that come up. So - we estimate early > February 2003. It will contain the 3 cars from the Demo Test and 3 more > road-style cars including one or two four wheel drives. Two extra tracks > will be included - a city track and a country track with a few configs in > each. More music will be included as well. At that stage neither the full > damage system nor all the planned improvements to graphics and sound will > have been done - the idea is that while Eric is continuing to add or

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> more tracks and cars for subsequent releases, I will be continuing to > develop the program all the time as well on the way to Release 1. > > The next three 25% releases will contain in the region of 4 cars and 3 > tracks each and will come out at intervals of 2 or 3 months. The 4 stages > are downloadable and a CD will become available when the full Release 1 is > completed (i.e. the 4th stage is finished). > > We like this plan a lot because we avoid any need for the services of a > publisher, the community will no longer be bored with the same cars and > tracks, we start to earn a living, we continue learning and improving our > methods with each 25% release, and the whole thing builds up in a way that > we can handle. > > We are very interested in your opinion in this matter and would like to

ask > you to vote in a poll at our forum at RSC. However if you do not want to > register, we understand and you are in no way obligated to do so. > > Thank you for your time and support! > >

You can cast your vote in the poll, and let the LFS team know what you think about their plan here: http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50991 Mikkel Tim Epstein <eppy@no)spam.pobox.com> wrote in message news:BJNC9.1882$[email hidden]... > Hi - this is pasted from the LFS newsletter - 1.0 full release should beout > Q1 next year! > > www.liveforspeed.net > [SNIP]

So does the current demo still not work properly with the Radeon 8500 without tweaks? Tried the current version and car shows as a transparent blurry object. also cannot run at 1280 res. "Tim Epstein" <eppy@no)spam.pobox.com> wrote in message news:BJNC9.1882$[email hidden]... > Hi - this is pasted from the LFS newsletter - 1.0 full release should beout

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> Q1 next year! > > www.liveforspeed.net > > > Hello Racers! The LFS development team has come up with a plan for Release > 1. > > Firstly, note that Release 1 is intended to be a complete product and will > contain a range from road cars, through modified rallycross cars and up to > GT cars. Karting, single seaters and buggies are to be left out of Release

1 > and will come out in later releases. That was decided a while ago butplease > read on to find out about the new Release 1 plan. > > Note : all dates given in this announcement are only estimates - not > promises. > > The next proper update is Demo Test 0.2 - this will be very like thecurrent > Demo Test and of course free of charge but will contain mainlyimprovements > to the tyre physics and multiplayer system including qualifying, better > reliability and reduced lag. In addition there will be minor improvementsto

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> the track and the car models including working dials and so on, non-uk > keyboard support, clutch and shifter support with associated engine damage > and some other things that have been mentioned on the Suggestions for > Improvement forum. We may include a skid pad as well. This is expected in > early January 2003. > > Our new plan for Release 1 is to release it in 4 downloadable stages, we > will charge a price for these - each one at 25% of the total price of > Release 1. > > The first 25% release will come out a few weeks after Demo Test 0.2 after > sorting out any bugs or problems that come up. So - we estimate early > February 2003. It will contain the 3 cars from the Demo Test and 3 more > road-style cars including one or two four wheel drives. Two extra tracks > will be included - a city track and a country track with a few configs in > each. More music will be included as well. At that stage neither the full > damage system nor all the planned improvements to graphics and sound will > have been done - the idea is that while Eric is continuing to add or

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> more tracks and cars for subsequent releases, I will be continuing to > develop the program all the time as well on the way to Release 1. > > The next three 25% releases will contain in the region of 4 cars and 3 > tracks each and will come out at intervals of 2 or 3 months. The 4 stages > are downloadable and a CD will become available when the full Release 1 is > completed (i.e. the 4th stage is finished). > > We like this plan a lot because we avoid any need for the services of a > publisher, the community will no longer be bored with the same cars and > tracks, we start to earn a living, we continue learning and improving our > methods with each 25% release, and the whole thing builds up in a way that > we can handle. > > We are very interested in your opinion in this matter and would like to

ask > you to vote in a poll at our forum at RSC. However if you do not want to > register, we understand and you are in no way obligated to do so. > > Thank you for your time and support! > >

I haven't tried the latest two versions, but I have tried the version right before 0.1k, and that one worked perfectly with my Radeon 8500 without any tweaking (Note: at that time I was running Catalyst 2.3). I have some free time tonight, so I might try the latest demo now that I'm running Catalyst 2.4. Fatbob "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VTOC9.204422$[email hidden]...

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> So does the current demo still not work properly with the Radeon 8500 > without tweaks? > Tried the current version and car shows as a transparent blurry object. > also cannot run at 1280 res. > > "Tim Epstein" <eppy@no)spam.pobox.com> wrote in message > news:BJNC9.1882$[email hidden]... > > Hi - this is pasted from the LFS newsletter - 1.0 full release should be > out > > Q1 next year! > > > > www.liveforspeed.net > > > > > > Hello Racers! The LFS development team has come up with a plan for

Release > > 1. > > > > Firstly, note that Release 1 is intended to be a complete product andwill > > contain a range from road cars, through modified rallycross cars and upto > > GT cars. Karting, single seaters and buggies are to be left out ofRelease

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> 1 > > and will come out in later releases. That was decided a while ago but > please > > read on to find out about the new Release 1 plan. > > > > Note : all dates given in this announcement are only estimates - not > > promises. > > > > The next proper update is Demo Test 0.2 - this will be very like the > current > > Demo Test and of course free of charge but will contain mainly > improvements > > to the tyre physics and multiplayer system including qualifying, better > > reliability and reduced lag. In addition there will be minor

improvements > to > > the track and the car models including working dials and so on, non-uk > > keyboard support, clutch and shifter support with associated enginedamage > > and some other things that have been mentioned on the Suggestions for > > Improvement forum. We may include a skid pad as well. This is expectedin

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> > early January 2003. > > > > Our new plan for Release 1 is to release it in 4 downloadable stages, we > > will charge a price for these - each one at 25% of the total price of > > Release 1. > > > > The first 25% release will come out a few weeks after Demo Test 0.2

after > > sorting out any bugs or problems that come up. So - we estimate early > > February 2003. It will contain the 3 cars from the Demo Test and 3 more > > road-style cars including one or two four wheel drives. Two extra tracks > > will be included - a city track and a country track with a few configsin > > each. More music will be included as well. At that stage neither thefull > > damage system nor all the planned improvements to graphics and soundwill

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> > have been done - the idea is that while Eric is continuing to add or > finish > > more tracks and cars for subsequent releases, I will be continuing to > > develop the program all the time as well on the way to Release 1. > > > > The next three 25% releases will contain in the region of 4 cars and 3 > > tracks each and will come out at intervals of 2 or 3 months. The 4

stages > > are downloadable and a CD will become available when the full Release 1is > > completed (i.e. the 4th stage is finished). > > > > We like this plan a lot because we avoid any need for the services of a > > publisher, the community will no longer be bored with the same cars and > > tracks, we start to earn a living, we continue learning and improvingour > > methods with each 25% release, and the whole thing builds up in a waythat

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> > we can handle. > > > > We are very interested in your opinion in this matter and would like to > ask > > you to vote in a poll at our forum at RSC. However if you do not want to > > register, we understand and you are in no way obligated to do so. > > > > Thank you for your time and support! > > > > > >

Ok thanks, let me know. I haven't had much luck with LFS with any driver or release to date. "Fatbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OvPC9.3971$[email hidden]... > I haven't tried the latest two versions, but I have tried the versionright

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> before 0.1k, and that one worked perfectly with my Radeon 8500 without any > tweaking (Note: at that time I was running Catalyst 2.3). > > I have some free time tonight, so I might try the latest demo now that I'm > running Catalyst 2.4. > > Fatbob > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:VTOC9.204422$[email hidden]... > > So does the current demo still not work properly with the Radeon 8500 > > without tweaks? > > Tried the current version and car shows as a transparent blurry object. > > also cannot run at 1280 res. > > > > "Tim Epstein" <eppy@no)spam.pobox.com> wrote in message > > news:BJNC9.1882$[email hidden]... > > > Hi - this is pasted from the LFS newsletter - 1.0 full release should

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> > out > > > Q1 next year! > > > > > > www.liveforspeed.net > > > > > > > > > Hello Racers! The LFS development team has come up with a plan for > Release > > > 1. > > > > > > Firstly, note that Release 1 is intended to be a complete product and > will > > > contain a range from road cars, through modified rallycross cars and

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> to > > > GT cars. Karting, single seaters and buggies are to be left out of > Release > > 1 > > > and will come out in later releases. That was decided a while ago but > > please > > > read on to find out about the new Release 1 plan. > > > > > > Note : all dates given in this announcement are only estimates - not > > > promises. > > > > > > The next proper update is Demo Test 0.2 - this will be very like the > > current > > > Demo Test and of course free of charge but will contain mainly > > improvements > > > to the tyre physics and multiplayer system including qualifying,

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> > > reliability and reduced lag. In addition there will be minor > improvements > > to > > > the track and the car models including working dials and so on, non-uk > > > keyboard support, clutch and shifter support with associated engine > damage > > > and some other things that have been mentioned on the Suggestions for > > > Improvement forum. We may include a skid pad as well. This is expected > in > > > early January 2003. > > > > > > Our new plan for Release 1 is to release it in 4 downloadable stages,

we

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> > > will charge a price for these - each one at 25% of the total price of > > > Release 1. > > > > > > The first 25% release will come out a few weeks after Demo Test 0.2 > after > > > sorting out any bugs or problems that come up. So - we estimate early > > > February 2003. It will contain the 3 cars from the Demo Test and 3

more > > > road-style cars including one or two four wheel drives. Two extratracks

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> > > will be included - a city track and a country track with a few configs > in > > > each. More music will be included as well. At that stage neither the > full > > > damage system nor all the planned improvements to graphics and sound > will > > > have been done - the idea is that while Eric is continuing to add or > > finish > > > more tracks and cars for subsequent releases, I will be continuing to > > > develop the program all the time as well on the way to Release 1. > > > > > > The next three 25% releases will contain in the region of 4 cars and 3 > > > tracks each and will come out at intervals of 2 or 3 months. The 4 > stages > > > are downloadable and a CD will become available when the full Release

1 > is > > > completed (i.e. the 4th stage is finished). > > > > > > We like this plan a lot because we avoid any need for the services ofa > > > publisher, the community will no longer be bored with the same carsand

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> > > tracks, we start to earn a living, we continue learning and improving > our > > > methods with each 25% release, and the whole thing builds up in a way > that > > > we can handle. > > > > > > We are very interested in your opinion in this matter and would like

to > > ask > > > you to vote in a poll at our forum at RSC. However if you do not wantto

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> > > register, we understand and you are in no way obligated to do so. > > > > > > Thank you for your time and support! > > > > > > > > > > > >

I REALLY like this idea! As long as the price is reasonable, count me in. For once it will be nice not having a publisher controlling the development instead of the developers doing what's in their hearts. -Larry "Tim Epstein" <eppy@no)spam.pobox.com> wrote in message news:BJNC9.1882$[email hidden]... > Hi - this is pasted from the LFS newsletter - 1.0 full release should beout

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> Q1 next year! > > www.liveforspeed.net > > > Hello Racers! The LFS development team has come up with a plan for Release > 1. > > Firstly, note that Release 1 is intended to be a complete product and will > contain a range from road cars, through modified rallycross cars and up to > GT cars. Karting, single seaters and buggies are to be left out of Release

1 > and will come out in later releases. That was decided a while ago butplease > read on to find out about the new Release 1 plan. > > Note : all dates given in this announcement are only estimates - not > promises. > > The next proper update is Demo Test 0.2 - this will be very like thecurrent > Demo Test and of course free of charge but will contain mainlyimprovements > to the tyre physics and multiplayer system including qualifying, better > reliability and reduced lag. In addition there will be minor improvementsto

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> the track and the car models including working dials and so on, non-uk > keyboard support, clutch and shifter support with associated engine damage > and some other things that have been mentioned on the Suggestions for > Improvement forum. We may include a skid pad as well. This is expected in > early January 2003. > > Our new plan for Release 1 is to release it in 4 downloadable stages, we > will charge a price for these - each one at 25% of the total price of > Release 1. > > The first 25% release will come out a few weeks after Demo Test 0.2 after > sorting out any bugs or problems that come up. So - we estimate early > February 2003. It will contain the 3 cars from the Demo Test and 3 more > road-style cars including one or two four wheel drives. Two extra tracks > will be included - a city track and a country track with a few configs in > each. More music will be included as well. At that stage neither the full > damage system nor all the planned improvements to graphics and sound will > have been done - the idea is that while Eric is continuing to add or

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> more tracks and cars for subsequent releases, I will be continuing to > develop the program all the time as well on the way to Release 1. > > The next three 25% releases will contain in the region of 4 cars and 3 > tracks each and will come out at intervals of 2 or 3 months. The 4 stages > are downloadable and a CD will become available when the full Release 1 is > completed (i.e. the 4th stage is finished). > > We like this plan a lot because we avoid any need for the services of a > publisher, the community will no longer be bored with the same cars and > tracks, we start to earn a living, we continue learning and improving our > methods with each 25% release, and the whole thing builds up in a way that > we can handle. > > We are very interested in your opinion in this matter and would like to

ask > you to vote in a poll at our forum at RSC. However if you do not want to > register, we understand and you are in no way obligated to do so. > > Thank you for your time and support! > >

Excellent stuff. I'll be keen to see how the game handles more than 8 players in 1.0. The frame rate isn't quite up to scratch in the current demo with that many cars let alone 16+ cars. The menu needs to be redesigned from scratch but that won't take long. I'm confident that these guys will turn out a quality product.

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> I haven't tried the latest two versions, but I have tried the version right > before 0.1k, and that one worked perfectly with my Radeon 8500 without any > tweaking (Note: at that time I was running Catalyst 2.3). > > I have some free time tonight, so I might try the latest demo now that I'm > running Catalyst 2.4. > > Fatbob

I've never had a problem with my 9700, but I did pick up a few frames with the Catalyst 2.4 drivers.

Tim Epstein wrote: > We are very interested in your opinion in this matter and would like to ask > you to vote in a poll at our forum at RSC. However if you do not want to > register, we understand and you are in no way obligated to do so. > > Thank you for your time and support! What about teddy bears and coffee mugs? I think a LFS teddy bear could be a huge seller.

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:20:46 GMT, in rec.autos.simulators you wrote: >I haven't tried the latest two versions, but I have tried the version right >before 0.1k, and that one worked perfectly with my Radeon 8500 without any >tweaking (Note: at that time I was running Catalyst 2.3). > >I have some free time tonight, so I might try the latest demo now that I'm >running Catalyst 2.4. LFS runs just fine on my 8500 with Catalyst 2.4. This is on Win98SE / DX8.1 Ian -- Ian Riches GPL Rank +1.76 Monsters of GPL +284.19

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:18:56 -0000, "Tim Epstein" <eppy@no)spam.pobox.com> wrote something like this: >Hi - this is pasted from the LFS newsletter - 1.0 full release should be out >Q1 next year! Hmm... seems to me that the full release will take longer than that: >The next three 25% releases will contain in the region of 4 cars and 3 >tracks each and will come out at intervals of 2 or 3 months. The 4 stages >are downloadable and a CD will become available when the full Release 1 is >completed (i.e. the 4th stage is finished). The fist 25% seems to be released in Q1 though =) -- - Igor -

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:18:56 -0000, "Tim Epstein" Hmm... seems to me that the full release will take longer than that: The***25% seems to be released in Q1 though =) -- - Igor -

On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:52:21 +0000, Ian Riches <[email hidden]> wrote something like this:

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>On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:20:46 GMT, in rec.autos.simulators you wrote: > >>I haven't tried the latest two versions, but I have tried the version right >>before 0.1k, and that one worked perfectly with my Radeon 8500 without any >>tweaking (Note: at that time I was running Catalyst 2.3). >> >>I have some free time tonight, so I might try the latest demo now that I'm >>running Catalyst 2.4. > >LFS runs just fine on my 8500 with Catalyst 2.4. This is on Win98SE / >DX8.1

Hercules 8500LE + Catalyst 2.4 + WinXP = runs just fine. It did run a little faster with GF2MX400 though... :/ -- - Igor -

"Internet User" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3ddc5f95$[email hidden]... > What about teddy bears and coffee mugs? I think a LFS teddy bear could > be a huge seller. I think they would rather get their product out than sell out on crappy merchandise like some people...

Ok, so I got a chance to try the latest demo with Catalyst 2.4, and it's awesome. Works very well on my system. I get anywhere between 45 to 50 FPS. Fatbob "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dIPC9.204452$[email hidden]... > Ok thanks, let me know. I haven't had much luck with LFS with any driveror

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> release to date. > > "Fatbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:OvPC9.3971$[email hidden]... > > I haven't tried the latest two versions, but I have tried the version > right > > before 0.1k, and that one worked perfectly with my Radeon 8500 without

any > > tweaking (Note: at that time I was running Catalyst 2.3). > > > > I have some free time tonight, so I might try the latest demo now thatI'm

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> > running Catalyst 2.4. > > > > Fatbob > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:VTOC9.204422$[email hidden]... > > > So does the current demo still not work properly with the Radeon 8500 > > > without tweaks? > > > Tried the current version and car shows as a transparent blurry

object. > > > also cannot run at 1280 res. > > > > > > "Tim Epstein" <eppy@no)spam.pobox.com> wrote in message > > > news:BJNC9.1882$[email hidden]... > > > > Hi - this is pasted from the LFS newsletter - 1.0 full releaseshould

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> be > > > out > > > > Q1 next year! > > > > > > > > www.liveforspeed.net > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Racers! The LFS development team has come up with a plan for > > Release > > > > 1. > > > > > > > > Firstly, note that Release 1 is intended to be a complete product

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> > will > > > > contain a range from road cars, through modified rallycross cars and > up > > to > > > > GT cars. Karting, single seaters and buggies are to be left out of > > Release > > > 1 > > > > and will come out in later releases. That was decided a while ago

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> > > please > > > > read on to find out about the new Release 1 plan. > > > > > > > > Note : all dates given in this announcement are only estimates - not > > > > promises. > > > > > > > > The next proper update is Demo Test 0.2 - this will be very like the > > > current > > > > Demo Test and of course free of charge but will contain mainly > > > improvements > > > > to the tyre physics and multiplayer system including qualifying, > better > > > > reliability and reduced lag. In addition there will be minor > > improvements > > > to > > > > the track and the car models including working dials and so on,

non-uk > > > > keyboard support, clutch and shifter support with associated engine > > damage > > > > and some other things that have been mentioned on the Suggestionsfor > > > > Improvement forum. We may include a skid pad as well. This isexpected > > in > > > > early January 2003. > > > > > > > > Our new plan for Release 1 is to release it in 4 downloadablestages, > we > > > > will charge a price for these - each one at 25% of the total priceof > > > > Release 1. > > > > > > > > The first 25% release will come out a few weeks after Demo Test 0.2 > > after > > > > sorting out any bugs or problems that come up. So - we estimateearly > > > > February 2003. It will contain the 3 cars from the Demo Test and 3 > more > > > > road-style cars including one or two four wheel drives. Two extra > tracks > > > > will be included - a city track and a country track with a fewconfigs

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> > in > > > > each. More music will be included as well. At that stage neither the > > full > > > > damage system nor all the planned improvements to graphics and sound > > will > > > > have been done - the idea is that while Eric is continuing to add or > > > finish > > > > more tracks and cars for subsequent releases, I will be continuing

to > > > > develop the program all the time as well on the way to Release 1. > > > > > > > > The next three 25% releases will contain in the region of 4 cars and3 > > > > tracks each and will come out at intervals of 2 or 3 months. The 4 > > stages > > > > are downloadable and a CD will become available when the fullRelease > 1 > > is > > > > completed (i.e. the 4th stage is finished). > > > > > > > > We like this plan a lot because we avoid any need for the servicesof > a > > > > publisher, the community will no longer be bored with the same cars > and > > > > tracks, we start to earn a living, we continue learning andimproving > > our > > > > methods with each 25% release, and the whole thing builds up in away

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> > that > > > > we can handle. > > > > > > > > We are very interested in your opinion in this matter and would like > to > > > ask > > > > you to vote in a poll at our forum at RSC. However if you do not

want

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> to > > > > register, we understand and you are in no way obligated to do so. > > > > > > > > Thank you for your time and support! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Thanks. Ok well I have no idea why it doesn't work well here. Everything else works fine. "Fatbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Pf8D9.6020$[email hidden]... > Ok, so I got a chance to try the latest demo with Catalyst 2.4, and it's > awesome. Works very well on my system. I get anywhere between 45 to 50FPS. > > Fatbob > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dIPC9.204452$[email hidden]... > > Ok thanks, let me know. I haven't had much luck with LFS with anydriver

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> or > > release to date. > > > > "Fatbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:OvPC9.3971$[email hidden]... > > > I haven't tried the latest two versions, but I have tried the version > > right > > > before 0.1k, and that one worked perfectly with my Radeon 8500 without > any > > > tweaking (Note: at that time I was running Catalyst 2.3). > > > > > > I have some free time tonight, so I might try the latest demo now that > I'm > > > running Catalyst 2.4. > > > > > > Fatbob > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:VTOC9.204422$[email hidden]... > > > > So does the current demo still not work properly with the Radeon

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> > > > without tweaks? > > > > Tried the current version and car shows as a transparent blurry > object. > > > > also cannot run at 1280 res. > > > > > > > > "Tim Epstein" <eppy@no)spam.pobox.com> wrote in message > > > > news:BJNC9.1882$[email hidden]... > > > > > Hi - this is pasted from the LFS newsletter - 1.0 full release > should > > be > > > > out > > > > > Q1 next year! > > > > > > > > > > www.liveforspeed.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Racers! The LFS development team has come up with a plan for > > > Release > > > > > 1. > > > > > > > > > > Firstly, note that Release 1 is intended to be a complete product > and > > > will > > > > > contain a range from road cars, through modified rallycross cars

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> > up > > > to > > > > > GT cars. Karting, single seaters and buggies are to be left out of > > > Release > > > > 1 > > > > > and will come out in later releases. That was decided a while ago > but > > > > please > > > > > read on to find out about the new Release 1 plan. > > > > > > > > > > Note : all dates given in this announcement are only estimates -

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> > > > current > > > > > Demo Test and of course free of charge but will contain mainly > > > > improvements > > > > > to the tyre physics and multiplayer system including qualifying, > > better > > > > > reliability and reduced lag. In addition there will be minor > > > improvements > > > > to > > > > > the track and the car models including working dials and so on, > non-uk > > > > > keyboard support, clutch and shifter support with associated

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> > > damage > > > > > and some other things that have been mentioned on the Suggestions > for > > > > > Improvement forum. We may include a skid pad as well. This is > expected > > > in > > > > > early January 2003. > > > > > > > > > > Our new plan for Release 1 is to release it in 4 downloadable > stages, > > we > > > > > will charge a price for these - each one at 25% of the total price > of > > > > > Release 1. > > > > > > > > > > The first 25% release will come out a few weeks after Demo Test

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> > > after > > > > > sorting out any bugs or problems that come up. So - we estimate > early > > > > > February 2003. It will contain the 3 cars from the Demo Test and 3 > > more > > > > > road-style cars including one or two four wheel drives. Two extra > > tracks > > > > > will be included - a city track and a country track with a few > configs > > > in > > > > > each. More music will be included as well. At that stage neither

the > > > full > > > > > damage system nor all the planned improvements to graphics andsound > > > will > > > > > have been done - the idea is that while Eric is continuing to addor > > > > finish > > > > > more tracks and cars for subsequent releases, I will be continuing > to > > > > > develop the program all the time as well on the way to Release 1. > > > > > > > > > > The next three 25% releases will contain in the region of 4 carsand

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> 3 > > > > > tracks each and will come out at intervals of 2 or 3 months. The 4 > > > stages > > > > > are downloadable and a CD will become available when the full > Release > > 1 > > > is > > > > > completed (i.e. the 4th stage is finished). > > > > > > > > > > We like this plan a lot because we avoid any need for the services > of > > a > > > > > publisher, the community will no longer be bored with the same

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> > and > > > > > tracks, we start to earn a living, we continue learning and > improving > > > our > > > > > methods with each 25% release, and the whole thing builds up in a > way > > > that > > > > > we can handle. > > > > > > > > > > We are very interested in your opinion in this matter and would

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> > to > > > > ask > > > > > you to vote in a poll at our forum at RSC. However if you do not > want > > to > > > > > register, we understand and you are in no way obligated to do so. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your time and support! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

When you say "doesn't work well", what exactly do you mean (i.e. poor FPS, won't load up, etc)? Have you tried posting your problem over at the Race Sim Central forum. They have a very active LFS forum (even the LFS developers participate in that forum as well). Fatbob "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kK8D9.207838$[email hidden]... > Thanks. Ok well I have no idea why it doesn't work well here.Everything

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> else works fine. > > "Fatbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Pf8D9.6020$[email hidden]... > > Ok, so I got a chance to try the latest demo with Catalyst 2.4, and it's > > awesome. Works very well on my system. I get anywhere between 45 to 50 > FPS. > > > > Fatbob > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:dIPC9.204452$[email hidden]... > > > Ok thanks, let me know. I haven't had much luck with LFS with any > driver > > or > > > release to date. > > > > > > "Fatbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:OvPC9.3971$[email hidden]... > > > > I haven't tried the latest two versions, but I have tried the

version > > > right > > > > before 0.1k, and that one worked perfectly with my Radeon 8500without > > any > > > > tweaking (Note: at that time I was running Catalyst 2.3). > > > > > > > > I have some free time tonight, so I might try the latest demo nowthat

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> > I'm > > > > running Catalyst 2.4. > > > > > > > > Fatbob > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:VTOC9.204422$[email hidden]... > > > > > So does the current demo still not work properly with the Radeon > 8500 > > > > > without tweaks? > > > > > Tried the current version and car shows as a transparent blurry > > object. > > > > > also cannot run at 1280 res. > > > > > > > > > > "Tim Epstein" <eppy@no)spam.pobox.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:BJNC9.1882$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Hi - this is pasted from the LFS newsletter - 1.0 full release > > should > > > be > > > > > out > > > > > > Q1 next year! > > > > > > > > > > > > www.liveforspeed.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Racers! The LFS development team has come up with a plan

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of > > > > Release > > > > > 1 > > > > > > and will come out in later releases. That was decided a whileago

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> > but > > > > > please > > > > > > read on to find out about the new Release 1 plan. > > > > > > > > > > > > Note : all dates given in this announcement are only estimates - > not > > > > > > promises. > > > > > > > > > > > > The next proper update is Demo Test 0.2 - this will be very like > the > > > > > current > > > > > > Demo Test and of course free of charge but will contain mainly > > > > > improvements > > > > > > to the tyre physics and multiplayer system including qualifying, > > > better > > > > > > reliability and reduced lag. In addition there will be minor > > > > improvements > > > > > to > > > > > > the track and the car models including working dials and so on, > > non-uk > > > > > > keyboard support, clutch and shifter support with associated > engine > > > > damage > > > > > > and some other things that have been mentioned on the

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> > for > > > > > > Improvement forum. We may include a skid pad as well. This is > > expected > > > > in > > > > > > early January 2003. > > > > > > > > > > > > Our new plan for Release 1 is to release it in 4 downloadable > > stages, > > > we > > > > > > will charge a price for these - each one at 25% of the total

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add > or > > > > > finish > > > > > > more tracks and cars for subsequent releases, I will becontinuing > > to > > > > > > develop the program all the time as well on the way to Release1. > > > > > > > > > > > > The next three 25% releases will contain in the region of 4 cars > and > > 3 > > > > > > tracks each and will come out at intervals of 2 or 3 months. The4

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> > of > > > a > > > > > > publisher, the community will no longer be bored with the same > cars > > > and > > > > > > tracks, we start to earn a living, we continue learning and > > improving > > > > our > > > > > > methods with each 25% release, and the whole thing builds up in

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> > way > > > > that > > > > > > we can handle. > > > > > > > > > > > > We are very interested in your opinion in this matter and would > like > > > to > > > > > ask > > > > > > you to vote in a poll at our forum at RSC. However if you do not > > want > > > to > > > > > > register, we understand and you are in no way obligated to do

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The car is invisible when viewing it externally. Beyond that the frame rate seems low to me. Haven't played around with it much actually. "Fatbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uubD9.11$[email hidden]... > When you say "doesn't work well", what exactly do you mean (i.e. poor FPS, > won't load up, etc)? > > Have you tried posting your problem over at the Race Sim Central forum.They

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> have a very active LFS forum (even the LFS developers participate in that > forum as well). > > Fatbob > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:kK8D9.207838$[email hidden]... > > Thanks. Ok well I have no idea why it doesn't work well here. > Everything > > else works fine. > > > > "Fatbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Pf8D9.6020$[email hidden]... > > > Ok, so I got a chance to try the latest demo with Catalyst 2.4, and

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> > > awesome. Works very well on my system. I get anywhere between 45 to 50 > > FPS. > > > > > > Fatbob > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:dIPC9.204452$[email hidden]... > > > > Ok thanks, let me know. I haven't had much luck with LFS with any > > driver > > > or > > > > release to date. > > > > > > > > "Fatbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:OvPC9.3971$[email hidden]... > > > > > I haven't tried the latest two versions, but I have tried the > version > > > > right > > > > > before 0.1k, and that one worked perfectly with my Radeon 8500 > without > > > any > > > > > tweaking (Note: at that time I was running Catalyst 2.3). > > > > > > > > > > I have some free time tonight, so I might try the latest demo now > that > > > I'm > > > > > running Catalyst 2.4. > > > > > > > > > > Fatbob > > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:VTOC9.204422$[email hidden]... > > > > > > So does the current demo still not work properly with the Radeon > > 8500 > > > > > > without tweaks? > > > > > > Tried the current version and car shows as a transparent blurry > > > object. > > > > > > also cannot run at 1280 res. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tim Epstein" <eppy@no)spam.pobox.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:BJNC9.1882$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Hi - this is pasted from the LFS newsletter - 1.0 full release > > > should > > > > be > > > > > > out > > > > > > > Q1 next year! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.liveforspeed.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Racers! The LFS development team has come up with a plan > for > > > > > Release > > > > > > > 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Firstly, note that Release 1 is intended to be a complete > product > > > and > > > > > will > > > > > > > contain a range from road cars, through modified rallycross

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> of > > > > > Release > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > and will come out in later releases. That was decided a while > ago > > > but > > > > > > please > > > > > > > read on to find out about the new Release 1 plan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note : all dates given in this announcement are only

estimates - > > not > > > > > > > promises. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next proper update is Demo Test 0.2 - this will be verylike > > the > > > > > > current > > > > > > > Demo Test and of course free of charge but will contain mainly > > > > > > improvements > > > > > > > to the tyre physics and multiplayer system includingqualifying, > > > > better > > > > > > > reliability and reduced lag. In addition there will be minor > > > > > improvements > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the track and the car models including working dials and soon,

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> > > non-uk > > > > > > > keyboard support, clutch and shifter support with associated > > engine > > > > > damage > > > > > > > and some other things that have been mentioned on the > Suggestions > > > for > > > > > > > Improvement forum. We may include a skid pad as well. This is > > > expected > > > > > in > > > > > > > early January 2003. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our new plan for Release 1 is to release it in 4 downloadable > > > stages, > > > > we > > > > > > > will charge a price for these - each one at 25% of the total > price > > > of > > > > > > > Release 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first 25% release will come out a few weeks after Demo

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in > a > > > way > > > > > that > > > > > > > we can handle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are very interested in your opinion in this matter andwould > > like > > > > to > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > you to vote in a poll at our forum at RSC. However if you donot

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I also have had problems with LFS and a Radeon 8500, however, I found that under WinXP Pro, nothing I tried made any difference, but turning off TCL in Radeonator (or any of the Radeon tweakers) made a huge difference in Win2K. I still can't play it properly with WinXP Pro tho, and that would be nice. Tsunami

I'm running in XP as well. Perhaps it has a problem under XP. "Tsunami" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I also have had problems with LFS and a Radeon 8500, however, I found > that under WinXP Pro, nothing I tried made any difference, but turning > off TCL in Radeonator (or any of the Radeon tweakers) made a huge > difference in Win2K. I still can't play it properly with WinXP Pro > tho, and that would be nice. > > Tsunami

I'm running Win XP Pro, and it works fine here. I haven't tried viewing the car from outside recently (I was always using cockpit view), but I'll give the outside view a try tonight. I use Rage3D's Tweaker and I have TCL enabled (which I use to have to disable with the earlier builds of LFS). However, from what I read on the LFS forum, they (LFS Team) corrected the ATi FPS problem with patch 0.1F2. I found this on LFS's website (FAQ section), that may help you (hopefully). "I am seeing no cars, but I do see their shadows! Try turning OFF: options/misc/simple car and shadow. And Lo or HI shadows in: options/graphics/" Fatbob "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:u4eD9.208025$[email hidden]...

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> I'm running in XP as well. Perhaps it has a problem under XP. > > "Tsunami" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I also have had problems with LFS and a Radeon 8500, however, I found > > that under WinXP Pro, nothing I tried made any difference, but turning > > off TCL in Radeonator (or any of the Radeon tweakers) made a huge > > difference in Win2K. I still can't play it properly with WinXP Pro > > tho, and that would be nice. > > > > Tsunami > >

When it works with my ECCI controller I may consider it, but can't play it now so... "Tim Epstein" <eppy@no)spam.pobox.com> wrote in message news:BJNC9.1882$[email hidden]... > Hi - this is pasted from the LFS newsletter - 1.0 full release should beout

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> Q1 next year! > > www.liveforspeed.net > > > Hello Racers! The LFS development team has come up with a plan for Release > 1. > > Firstly, note that Release 1 is intended to be a complete product and will > contain a range from road cars, through modified rallycross cars and up to > GT cars. Karting, single seaters and buggies are to be left out of Release

1 > and will come out in later releases. That was decided a while ago butplease > read on to find out about the new Release 1 plan. > > Note : all dates given in this announcement are only estimates - not > promises. > > The next proper update is Demo Test 0.2 - this will be very like thecurrent > Demo Test and of course free of charge but will contain mainlyimprovements > to the tyre physics and multiplayer system including qualifying, better > reliability and reduced lag. In addition there will be minor improvementsto

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> the track and the car models including working dials and so on, non-uk > keyboard support, clutch and shifter support with associated engine damage > and some other things that have been mentioned on the Suggestions for > Improvement forum. We may include a skid pad as well. This is expected in > early January 2003. > > Our new plan for Release 1 is to release it in 4 downloadable stages, we > will charge a price for these - each one at 25% of the total price of > Release 1. > > The first 25% release will come out a few weeks after Demo Test 0.2 after > sorting out any bugs or problems that come up. So - we estimate early > February 2003. It will contain the 3 cars from the Demo Test and 3 more > road-style cars including one or two four wheel drives. Two extra tracks > will be included - a city track and a country track with a few configs in > each. More music will be included as well. At that stage neither the full > damage system nor all the planned improvements to graphics and sound will > have been done - the idea is that while Eric is continuing to add or

finish

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> more tracks and cars for subsequent releases, I will be continuing to > develop the program all the time as well on the way to Release 1. > > The next three 25% releases will contain in the region of 4 cars and 3 > tracks each and will come out at intervals of 2 or 3 months. The 4 stages > are downloadable and a CD will become available when the full Release 1 is > completed (i.e. the 4th stage is finished). > > We like this plan a lot because we avoid any need for the services of a > publisher, the community will no longer be bored with the same cars and > tracks, we start to earn a living, we continue learning and improving our > methods with each 25% release, and the whole thing builds up in a way that > we can handle. > > We are very interested in your opinion in this matter and would like to

ask > you to vote in a poll at our forum at RSC. However if you do not want to > register, we understand and you are in no way obligated to do so. > > Thank you for your time and support! > >