I "resolved" this problem in F12002 by just turning on the clutch
assistance. But with GTR2002 I would like to use the clutch. I can't see
any ability to map a key to do this in the controller set-up. Is there a
"magic" way to do this? Sorry if it's a RTFM question.
Marc
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Restarting a stalled engine in GTR2002
Marc Collins asked how to restart a stalled engine in GTR2002 without clutch assistance. Players explained that the F1 2002 engine has no starter, so you must roll-start the car or keep the clutch down when spinning. A crash on pit request was traced to pit crew animations and fixed by setting them to low.
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"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I "resolved" this problem in F12002 by just turning on the clutch
> assistance. But with GTR2002 I would like to use the clutch. I can't see
> any ability to map a key to do this in the controller set-up. Is there a
> "magic" way to do this? Sorry if it's a RTFM question.
I would like to know this as well...
- Dave
"Dave Cook" wrote...
I don't think there's a real starter button (if you run through dust, debris
or in the wet you will notice the roof and windshield are illusions too),
but you can restart the engine if you manage to get the car rolling again.
Put it in gear, hold down the clutch and let go when you reach about 10km/h,
the engine will "bump start" itself.
Jan.
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> "Marc Collins" wrote... > > I "resolved" this problem in F12002 by just turning > > on the clutch assistance. But with GTR2002 I would > > like to use the clutch. I can't see any ability to > > map a key to do this in the controller set-up. Is > > there a "magic" way to do this? Sorry if it's a > > RTFM question. > > I would like to know this as well..."Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> but you can restart the engine if you manage to get the car rolling again.
> Put it in gear, hold down the clutch and let go when you reach about10km/h,
> the engine will "bump start" itself.
Whoa - talk about realism!
So you are saying there is no realistic way to restart the car, so we have
to use clutch assistance, which prevents you from using the clutch yourself
at all times that it might be useful...?
Hmmm...
Marc
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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debris
> or in the wet you will notice the roof and windshield are illusions too),
> but you can restart the engine if you manage to get the car rolling again.
> Put it in gear, hold down the clutch and let go when you reach about10km/h,
> the engine will "bump start" itself.
>
> Jan.
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>
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> "Dave Cook" wrote... > > "Marc Collins" wrote... > > > I "resolved" this problem in F12002 by just turning > > > on the clutch assistance. But with GTR2002 I would > > > like to use the clutch. I can't see any ability to > > > map a key to do this in the controller set-up. Is > > > there a "magic" way to do this? Sorry if it's a > > > RTFM question. > > > > I would like to know this as well... > > I don't think there's a real starter button (if you run through dust,"Marc Collins" wrote...
> So you are saying there is no realistic way to restart
> the car, so we have to use clutch assistance, which
> prevents you from using the clutch yourself at all
> times that it might be useful...?
>
> Hmmm...
Indeed... although it's unfair to criticize the mod for this. If it were a
GT game from the outset, not having a starter button would be an oversight,
but not in this case.
Jan.
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On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:52:52 -0500, "Marc Collins"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>I "resolved" this problem in F12002 by just turning on the clutch
>assistance. But with GTR2002 I would like to use the clutch. I can't see
>any ability to map a key to do this in the controller set-up. Is there a
>"magic" way to do this? Sorry if it's a RTFM question.
>
>Marc
Since this mod is based on the F1 engine there isn't a starter
onboard. It use to be a problem for me but now I've gotten into the
habit of pushing down the clutch when I crash.
If you stall just hope you're on a hill so you can roll or pray for
another car to hit you from behind to bump start you. :)
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"Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Yes and no. The "realism" part of it is of course you shouldn't really be
able to restart the engine AT ALL in an F1 car without pitlane assistance,
so the lack of a start button makes perfect sense. And I guess now the
option of a rolling start suddenly makes sense within the GTR context :)
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> "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in > message news:RyOG9.31845$[email hidden]... >> but you can restart the engine if you manage to get the car rolling >> again. Put it in gear, hold down the clutch and let go when you reach >> about > 10km/h, >> the engine will "bump start" itself. > > Whoa - talk about realism! > > >I meant no disrespect to GTR2002--it's the fault of the original!!!!
Marc
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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oversight,
> but not in this case.
>
> Jan.
> =---
>
>
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> "Marc Collins" wrote... > > So you are saying there is no realistic way to restart > > the car, so we have to use clutch assistance, which > > prevents you from using the clutch yourself at all > > times that it might be useful...? > > > > Hmmm... > > Indeed... although it's unfair to criticize the mod for this. If it were a > GT game from the outset, not having a starter button would be an
"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> So you are saying there is no realistic way to restart the car, so we have
> to use clutch assistance, which prevents you from using the clutchyourself
> at all times that it might be useful...?
>
> Hmmm...
>
> Marc Welcome to the world of mods. You are stuck with some limitations based
on the core sim. There is a line in your .plr file that refers to getting a
push in the pits if you run out of gas.
_________
o AI Control="0" // AI never has control over car (except autopit)
Pitcrew Push="1" // When out of fuel in pitlane, allows pitcrew to push car
(use throttle and gear selection to direct)
_____________
I'm assuming that means press the throttle and gear levers in
combination, but I haven't tried it.
dave henrie
"Dave Henrie" wrote...
While we're on the subject, I don't seem to be able to pit. When I request
pit and pull in during a race, the crew retires the car instead of giving me
a refill with the amount of liters specified in the setup.
Jan.
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> <snip> > Welcome to the world of mods. You are stuck with some > limitations based on the core sim. There is a line in > your .plr file that refers to getting a push in the > pits if you run out of gas. > _________ > AI Control="0" // AI never has control over car >(except autopit) > Pitcrew Push="1" // When out of fuel in pitlane, allows > pitcrew to push car (use throttle and gear selection to > direct) > _____________ > I'm assuming that means press the throttle and gear > levers in combination, but I haven't tried it.I assume it would also work only in the pit lane?
Marc
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> "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > So you are saying there is no realistic way to restart the car, so wehave
based
> on the core sim. There is a line in your .plr file that refers to gettinga
> push in the pits if you run out of gas.
> _________
> o AI Control="0" // AI never has control over car (except autopit)
> Pitcrew Push="1" // When out of fuel in pitlane, allows pitcrew to pushcar
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> > to use clutch assistance, which prevents you from using the clutch > yourself > > at all times that it might be useful...? > > > > Hmmm... > > > > Marc > Welcome to the world of mods. You are stuck with some limitationsQuoted text (7 lines)
> (use throttle and gear selection to direct) > _____________ > I'm assuming that means press the throttle and gear levers in > combination, but I haven't tried it. > dave henrie > > That situation would occur if you had un-repairable damage. i.e. your
rear wing was knocked off. The F1 sim only repairs front wing damage so the
mod is saddled with that limitation.
I'll go double check and test that out.
dh
(oh like I needed an excuse to boot upl gtr hehe)
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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me
> a refill with the amount of liters specified in the setup.
>
> Jan.
> =---
>
>
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> "Dave Henrie" wrote... > > <snip> > > Welcome to the world of mods. You are stuck with some > > limitations based on the core sim. There is a line in > > your .plr file that refers to getting a push in the > > pits if you run out of gas. > > _________ > > AI Control="0" // AI never has control over car > >(except autopit) > > Pitcrew Push="1" // When out of fuel in pitlane, allows > > pitcrew to push car (use throttle and gear selection to > > direct) > > _____________ > > I'm assuming that means press the throttle and gear > > levers in combination, but I haven't tried it. > > While we're on the subject, I don't seem to be able to pit. When I request > pit and pull in during a race, the crew retires the car instead of giving"Dave Henrie" wrote...
Hehehe...
Correct, I had damage when I tried to pit out of sequence. However, I just
went to check myself by setting a short, 3 lap first stint. This time the
game CTD'd when normally it would call the driver in i.e. between CG and the
2nd chicane.
I'll reboot and double check that...
Jan.
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> That situation would occur if you had un-repairable > damage. i.e. your rear wing was knocked off. The F1 > sim only repairs front wing damage so the mod is > saddled with that limitation. I'll go double check and > test that out. > dh > (oh like I needed an excuse to boot upl gtr hehe)"Jan Verschueren" wrote...
> <snip>
> I'll reboot and double check that...
Yup, it just did it again! -Exactly the same spot... so now another reboot
and pitting a lap early to really make sure.
Jan.
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"Jan Verschueren" wrote...
> <snip>
> Yup, it just did it again! -Exactly the same spot... so
> now another reboot and pitting a lap early to really
> make sure.
Okay... crashes to desktop as I hit "pit request". It doesn't crash when I
do this after receiving damage. Ergo, it crashes when it tries to load the
"big" pitcrew or somesuch.
What are your findings, Dr. Henrie? ;-)
Jan.
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Jan Verschueren wrote:
Reduce the pitcrew detail to 'low', and see what happens.
Gerry
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> > "Jan Verschueren" wrote... > > <snip> > > Yup, it just did it again! -Exactly the same spot... so > > now another reboot and pitting a lap early to really > > make sure. > > Okay... crashes to desktop as I hit "pit request". It doesn't crash when I > do this after receiving damage. Ergo, it crashes when it tries to load the > "big" pitcrew or somesuch.
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sorry Jan, I ran several tests...and then gosh darnit...I had to verify
those tests. Pitting seems fine on my end. I have the full pitcrew
enabled. but I would agree with Gerry. Try setting the pitcrew level to
low. Also, and this may seem off the wall, set your quickrace starting
posisiton to random.
btw...at Brands...I pitted after the first lap and they were ready for
me. Later I overdrove the last turn and whalloped a guard-rail. Knocked
off the left front wheel. It took me several minutes to pull my car out of
the sandbox using reverse...but as soon as I got the wounded Snake back to
the track the race ended...whether the game dq'd me or the leaders just got
around 18 times.. :)
But since you have a CONSISTANT errror we need to try and eliminate
things that might NOT cause it. So start by changing cars and then tracks.
set the weather to dry. try and make everything as similar as possible
for each session and then change one item. (like a new track or a different
class of car)
good luck
dh
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> "Jan Verschueren" wrote... > > <snip> > > Yup, it just did it again! -Exactly the same spot... so > > now another reboot and pitting a lap early to really > > make sure. > > Okay... crashes to desktop as I hit "pit request". It doesn't crash when I > do this after receiving damage. Ergo, it crashes when it tries to load the > "big" pitcrew or somesuch. > > What are your findings, Dr. Henrie? ;-) > > Jan. > =--- >"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Correct, I had damage when I tried to pit out of sequence. However, I just
> went to check myself by setting a short, 3 lap first stint. This time the
> game CTD'd when normally it would call the driver in i.e. between CG andthe
> 2nd chicane.
I get a CTD every time I cross the line marking the start of the pitlane at
Brands.
"Dave Henrie" wrote...
> <snip>
> Sorry Jan, I ran several tests...and then gosh darnit...I
> had to verify those tests.
LOL... I am contemplating starting a 100% race now (0.40am) while having to
work in the morning, so I know where you're coming from.
> Pitting seems fine on my end. I have the full pitcrew
> enabled. but I would agree with Gerry. Try setting the
> pitcrew level to low.
Yup, Gerry called it right, or could it be there are less pitcrews than cars
in the game now?
> Also, and this may seem off the wall, set your quickrace
> starting posisiton to random.
I'll try that.
Probably reversed too far along the track. I.e. DQ.
> But since you have a CONSISTANT errror we need to try and
> eliminate things that might NOT cause it. So start by
> changing cars and then tracks.
I was using PSI Motorsport's 996 Turbo at Monza, but I'll check whether it's
the setting or the car/track.
> set the weather to dry.
Check... I always do that... the GT mod cars have major water proofing
difficulties ;-))
> try and make everything as similar as possible
> for each session and then change one item. (like a new
> track or a different class of car)
> good luck
Thanks, Gerry gave us a quick fix already, but I'd like to get to a point to
where I see the crew earning their pay. ;-)
Jan.
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> btw...at Brands...I pitted after the first lap and they > were ready for me. Later I overdrove the last turn and > whalloped a guard-rail. Knocked off the left front > wheel. It took me several minutes to pull my car out of > the sandbox using reverse...but as soon as I got the > wounded Snake back to the track the race ended...whether > the game dq'd me or the leaders just got around 18 times.. > :)"Gerry Aitken" wrote...
> <snip>
> Reduce the pitcrew detail to 'low', and see what happens.
The setting's actually called "Pitcrew animations", but you were right.
Setting it to low fixed the problem. Thank you.
You sounded very confident as if this was a known problem. Is it
historically related to the GT mod, or an issue with F1 2k2 and certain
hardware/drivers?
Jan.
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No, no no...you guys have it all wrong!
The problem isn't that if you stall the car you can't restart it; the
problem is you shouldn't be stalling it in the first place!
Forget the clutch assisstance and use the clutch the way you should! You
know, to keep from stalling the car in the first place...
And you call yourselves "racers"! Ugh!
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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oversight,
> but not in this case.
>
> Jan.
> =---
>
>
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> "Marc Collins" wrote... > > So you are saying there is no realistic way to restart > > the car, so we have to use clutch assistance, which > > prevents you from using the clutch yourself at all > > times that it might be useful...? > > > > Hmmm... > > Indeed... although it's unfair to criticize the mod for this. If it were a > GT game from the outset, not having a starter button would be an"Michael Basden" wrote...
Ouch... that hurts! -I am a simracer, I therefore don't use clutch
assistance (did I give the impression I did?). If I stall the car then
that's my own stupid fault.
However, in principle, cars in the FIA GT are required to shut down and then
restart under their own power when pitting/changing driver. Seeing as the
original sim doesn't provide for this sort of thing (although autoclutch may
not be very far from the mark if certain rumours about real life F1 are to
be believed), it's not a shortcoming of the mod. Just something we have to
live with.
Jan.
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> No, no no...you guys have it all wrong! > > The problem isn't that if you stall the car you > can't restart it; the problem is you shouldn't > be stalling it in the first place! > > Forget the clutch assisstance and use the clutch > the way you should! You know, to keep from > stalling the car in the first place... > > And you call yourselves "racers"! Ugh!
"Michael Basden" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I've seen Michael Schumacher stall his car..in fact he was so bad at it
they had to code computer assists to PREVENT stalling when spinning.
Racers indeed!
dave henrie
(just not a very good one.....)
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> No, no no...you guys have it all wrong! > > The problem isn't that if you stall the car you can't restart it; the > problem is you shouldn't be stalling it in the first place! > > Forget the clutch assisstance and use the clutch the way you should! You > know, to keep from stalling the car in the first place... > > And you call yourselves "racers"! Ugh! > > > > "Jan Verschueren"cc <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
I learned this phrase from a friend when I drove a Formula Ford for
the first time, "when you spin, both feet in". It's come in handy!
RG
Racing Sim Developers Group
rsdg.net
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> On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:52:52 -0500, "Marc Collins" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I "resolved" this problem in F12002 by just turning on the clutch > >assistance. But with GTR2002 I would like to use the clutch. I can't see > >any ability to map a key to do this in the controller set-up. Is there a > >"magic" way to do this? Sorry if it's a RTFM question. > > > >Marc > > Since this mod is based on the F1 engine there isn't a starter > onboard. It use to be a problem for me but now I've gotten into the > habit of pushing down the clutch when I crash. > > If you stall just hope you're on a hill so you can roll or pray for > another car to hit you from behind to bump start you. :)>
> I get a CTD every time I cross the line marking the start of the pitlaneat
> Brands.
> Nick,
read through this thread. You'll find your question already answered.
dave henrie
Jan Verschueren wrote:
It's a known problem with the mod.
Cheers
Gerry
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> > "Gerry Aitken" wrote... > > <snip> > > Reduce the pitcrew detail to 'low', and see what happens. > > The setting's actually called "Pitcrew animations", but you were right. > Setting it to low fixed the problem. Thank you. > > You sounded very confident as if this was a known problem. Is it > historically related to the GT mod, or an issue with F1 2k2 and certain > hardware/drivers?"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Nick,
> read through this thread. You'll find your question alreadyanswered.
> dave henrie
Set the pitcrew animations to low? Okay, I'll try that.
Thanks,
Nick.
"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It actually seems to be a known issue with all the mods so far. Every mod I
have has that same situation.
So I would think it is something more F12K2 AND the Mods co-existing.
- Isotrip�
