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Like many I have been blown away by the sounds in the GTR mod. However, I have found that some others, like my wife, do NOT share an enthusiasm for the Marcos sounds cranked to level 10. You think after 20 some-odd years, at least some of me would have rubbed off on her. Two laps around Sugo was all I managed before she was screaming about ears bleeding or something like that...couldn't really hear what she was saying.... :) So just for her, I'll turn it down...to like 9.5 :) dave henrie

10? You're old!!! Crank it up! 11 all the way! James "Yeah, but this one goes to 11......" Spinal Tap ;0) "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WsUG9.210668$%[email hidden]... > Like many I have been blown away by the sounds in the GTR mod.However, > I have found that some others, like my wife, do NOT share an enthusiasmfor > the Marcos sounds cranked to level 10. > You think after 20 some-odd years, at least some of me would have rubbed > off on her. > Two laps around Sugo was all I managed before she was screaming aboutears > bleeding or something like that...couldn't really hear what she was > saying.... :) > So just for her, I'll turn it down...to like 9.5 :) > dave henrie > >

Yeah...........I go through that ALLLLLLL the time.....and I don't even HAVE a wife...........hehehe!! I got "the look" when I bought a wheel and pedals" JUST because it had a shifter on it..........Sheesh !!!!!

Yeah...........I go through that ALLLLLLL the time.....and I don't even HAVE a wife...........hehehe!! I got "the look" when I bought a wheel and pedals" JUST because it had a shifter on it..........Sheesh !!!!!

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> Like many I have been blown away by the sounds in the GTR mod. However, > I have found that some others, like my wife, do NOT share an enthusiasm for > the Marcos sounds cranked to level 10. > You think after 20 some-odd years, at least some of me would have rubbed > off on her. > Two laps around Sugo was all I managed before she was screaming about ears > bleeding or something like that...couldn't really hear what she was > saying.... :) > So just for her, I'll turn it down...to like 9.5 :) > dave henrie

The Marcos is heaven on earth. My Polk Audio 5.1 speakers never knew what they were going to be asked to do but they have served me well over the last 36 hours or so. Stuff keeps falling off my desk from the subwoofer so I guess that's a good sign :-) I'm lucky that I work from home, so when the wife and kids left this morning I RAN to my home office and cranked it up -- that was about 7:20. This was the first opportunity I had gotten to turn it up on my speakers (had to use the headphones last night to keep from waking the kids) and I was in sim heaven. 9:00 -- conference call -- CRAP! OK boss, yeah, yeah I hear ya. Sounds good -- later! Man, 9:30. Lost a half hour of gameplay. Well, coulda been worse. Back to it. About 10:15, phone rings. SHIT! Who the hell is calling me at my JOB! ;-) This went on throughout the day...my head hurts now and I gotta get the kids in bed before I am allowed to race some more. Gotta go! :-) -- __________________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com __________________________

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WsUG9.210668$%[email hidden]... > Like many I have been blown away by the sounds in the GTR mod. However, > I have found that some others, like my wife, do NOT share an enthusiasm for > the Marcos sounds cranked to level 10. LOL - My poor neighbors :( Dolby 5.1 Speakers with my Audigy are kicking some serious arse with these sounds! I've just been spinning around Brands Hatch in the Lister. What a beautiful track!!! - Dave Cook

So far all of the engine sounds I have heard in the mod have suffered from distortion at the upper rev range... I like the fullness of the sound and I have a very high end set of speakers and amp that my computer plays through, so it isn't my equipment. Odd, because with the raving about the sounds, it was the thing I was looking forward too most, but may be the most disappointing (other than the constant FFB vibrating). Marc "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WsUG9.210668$%[email hidden]... > Like many I have been blown away by the sounds in the GTR mod.However, > I have found that some others, like my wife, do NOT share an enthusiasmfor > the Marcos sounds cranked to level 10. > You think after 20 some-odd years, at least some of me would have rubbed > off on her. > Two laps around Sugo was all I managed before she was screaming aboutears > bleeding or something like that...couldn't really hear what she was > saying.... :) > So just for her, I'll turn it down...to like 9.5 :) > dave henrie > >

just got done with a 2 hr session (felt like 15 minutes). oh those sounds. those heavenly, heavenly sounds. Doth mine ears deceive me? Could that be the whine of a gearbox I hear? "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WsUG9.210668$%[email hidden]... > Like many I have been blown away by the sounds in the GTR mod.However, > I have found that some others, like my wife, do NOT share an enthusiasmfor > the Marcos sounds cranked to level 10. > You think after 20 some-odd years, at least some of me would have rubbed > off on her. > Two laps around Sugo was all I managed before she was screaming aboutears > bleeding or something like that...couldn't really hear what she was > saying.... :) > So just for her, I'll turn it down...to like 9.5 :) > dave henrie > >

There's a thread about this on the GTR2002 forum. The developers deliberately clipped the sound at high RPM to simulate the type of distorted sound you hear for real when travelling in a tin can racing car at high speed. The didn't want the sound to be "clean" as it wasn't realistic enough for them. "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:A3WG9.1560$[email hidden]... > So far all of the engine sounds I have heard in the mod have suffered from > distortion at the upper rev range... > > I like the fullness of the sound and I have a very high end set ofspeakers > and amp that my computer plays through, so it isn't my equipment. > > Odd, because with the raving about the sounds, it was the thing I was > looking forward too most, but may be the most disappointing (other thanthe

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> constant FFB vibrating). > > Marc > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WsUG9.210668$%[email hidden]... > > Like many I have been blown away by the sounds in the GTR mod. > However, > > I have found that some others, like my wife, do NOT share an enthusiasm > for > > the Marcos sounds cranked to level 10. > > You think after 20 some-odd years, at least some of me would have

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> > off on her. > > Two laps around Sugo was all I managed before she was screaming about > ears > > bleeding or something like that...couldn't really hear what she was > > saying.... :) > > So just for her, I'll turn it down...to like 9.5 :) > > dave henrie > > > > > >

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> So far all of the engine sounds I have heard in the mod > have suffered from distortion at the upper rev range... > > I like the fullness of the sound and I have a very high > end set of speakers and amp that my computer plays > through, so it isn't my equipment. > > Odd, because with the raving about the sounds, it was > the thing I was looking forward too most, but may be the > most disappointing (other than the constant FFB vibrating).

I assume you tried setting FFB effects to medium and putting a small deadzone on the steering axis? Jan. =---

Dave Henrie wrote: > Like many I have been blown away by the sounds in the GTR mod. However, > I have found that some others, like my wife, do NOT share an enthusiasm for > the Marcos sounds cranked to level 10. Dave: Don't you realize the Marcos is motivated by a "bowtie?" Too bad it's not painted Milennium Yellow for your driving pleasure... :-D -jde

Hehe; a 'Vette in (odd-looking) disguise. First thing I thought when I fired up the Marcos was how much it sounded like the C5R's did at Petit Lemans. Can't feel the concussion hitting your chest from 100ft away like the real thing though! Second thing was how much it sounded like NT2003. If you have it, or the demo, compare the engine wavs for low through high... ;-) Now if we can just get developers to add matching off-throttle sound samples into the cross-fade mix, we'll really have something. SB "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Dave Henrie wrote: > > Like many I have been blown away by the sounds in the GTR mod.However, > > I have found that some others, like my wife, do NOT share an enthusiasmfor

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> > the Marcos sounds cranked to level 10. > > Dave: > > Don't you realize the Marcos is motivated by a "bowtie?" > > Too bad it's not painted Milennium Yellow for your driving pleasure... > > :-D > > -jde > >

I will be happy to set the FFB to medium when someone tells me what exactly I am losing by doing that. I want to get rid of ONLY the annoying vibration, not ANY of the legitimate FFB. Marc "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Z20H9.32703$[email hidden]...

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> "Marc Collins" wrote... > > So far all of the engine sounds I have heard in the mod > > have suffered from distortion at the upper rev range... > > > > I like the fullness of the sound and I have a very high > > end set of speakers and amp that my computer plays > > through, so it isn't my equipment. > > > > Odd, because with the raving about the sounds, it was > > the thing I was looking forward too most, but may be the > > most disappointing (other than the constant FFB vibrating). > > I assume you tried setting FFB effects to medium and putting a small > deadzone on the steering axis? > > Jan. > =--- > >

That is most unfortunate. Thanks for the explanation, though. Marc "Tim Epstein" <eppy@no)spam.pobox.com> wrote in message news:f_ZG9.53$[email hidden]... > There's a thread about this on the GTR2002 forum. The developers > deliberately clipped the sound at high RPM to simulate the type ofdistorted > sound you hear for real when travelling in a tin can racing car at high > speed. The didn't want the sound to be "clean" as it wasn't realisticenough > for them. > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:A3WG9.1560$[email hidden]... > > So far all of the engine sounds I have heard in the mod have sufferedfrom

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> > distortion at the upper rev range... > > > > I like the fullness of the sound and I have a very high end set of > speakers > > and amp that my computer plays through, so it isn't my equipment. > > > > Odd, because with the raving about the sounds, it was the thing I was > > looking forward too most, but may be the most disappointing (other than > the > > constant FFB vibrating). > > > > Marc > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:WsUG9.210668$%[email hidden]... > > > Like many I have been blown away by the sounds in the GTR mod. > > However, > > > I have found that some others, like my wife, do NOT share an

enthusiasm > > for > > > the Marcos sounds cranked to level 10. > > > You think after 20 some-odd years, at least some of me would have > rubbed > > > off on her. > > > Two laps around Sugo was all I managed before she was screamingabout

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> > ears > > > bleeding or something like that...couldn't really hear what she was > > > saying.... :) > > > So just for her, I'll turn it down...to like 9.5 :) > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Marc Collins" wrote... > I will be happy to set the FFB to medium when someone tells > me what exactly I am losing by doing that. I want to get > rid of ONLY the annoying vibration, not ANY of the > legitimate FFB. I don't have a clue. I do know that on "full" there's some kind of "surface roughness" feel included, which I didn't like with the F1's, but with the GTs I've turned it back on and reduced overall strenght in the MOMO properties. Before I read the replies to your posts I didn't know it was possible to go into more detail. I'll follow up on that if I get the time. Which wheel are you using BTW. Earlier tonight I really noticed something rattling in my MOMO in unison with the kerbs in the track. Seeing as other poster have reported on the motor working itself loose, I took it apart (bit fiddly getting it back together again, so don't open it unless you're pretty confident you can do this). I found the motor mounting had indeed loosened to provide about 3mm of "play". With the motor firmly attached again (and therefore dampened by the mechanism) it vibrates much less. Jan. =---

I have a brand new "new" MOMO. Just wonder what the levels of FFB include and uninclude? Marc "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:n%aH9.34070$[email hidden]...

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> "Marc Collins" wrote... > > I will be happy to set the FFB to medium when someone tells > > me what exactly I am losing by doing that. I want to get > > rid of ONLY the annoying vibration, not ANY of the > > legitimate FFB. > > I don't have a clue. I do know that on "full" there's some kind of

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> roughness" feel included, which I didn't like with the F1's, but with the > GTs I've turned it back on and reduced overall strenght in the MOMO > properties. Before I read the replies to your posts I didn't know it was > possible to go into more detail. I'll follow up on that if I get the time. > > Which wheel are you using BTW. Earlier tonight I really noticed something > rattling in my MOMO in unison with the kerbs in the track. Seeing as other > poster have reported on the motor working itself loose, I took it apart

(bit > fiddly getting it back together again, so don't open it unless you'repretty

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> confident you can do this). I found the motor mounting had indeed loosened > to provide about 3mm of "play". With the motor firmly attached again (and > therefore dampened by the mechanism) it vibrates much less. > > Jan. > =--- > >

> I have a brand new "new" MOMO. > > Just wonder what the levels of FFB include and uninclude? I've got a LWFF and I chose MOMO in the pre-game menu, since I figured it was the closest to my wheel. However, in the game, the FF felt very vague (Yes, I changed it to +100) So I deleted my player profile and created a new one manually without using one of the presets and now the FF is truly excellent - no annoying vibrations etc. Also, I was getting massive pedal deadzones using the MOMO preset - now it's fine. YMMV.

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> <snip> > I've got a LWFF and I chose MOMO in the pre-game menu, > since I figured it was the closest to my wheel. However, > in the game, the FF felt very vague (Yes, I changed it > to +100) So I deleted my player profile and created a > new one manually without using one of the presets and > now the FF is truly excellent - no annoying vibrations > etc. > > Also, I was getting massive pedal deadzones using the > MOMO preset - now it's fine. YMMV.

MOMO preset has very low sensitivity settings for the pedals and a large amount of "Speed sensitivity", i.e. reduction in steering senstivity at higher speeds. I reverted to a back-up copy of my .PLR file and exported it with the included util. Very straightforward. Jan. =---

"J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Dave Henrie wrote: > > Like many I have been blown away by the sounds in the GTR mod.However, > > I have found that some others, like my wife, do NOT share an enthusiasmfor

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> > the Marcos sounds cranked to level 10. > > Dave: > > Don't you realize the Marcos is motivated by a "bowtie?" > > Too bad it's not painted Milennium Yellow for your driving pleasure... > > :-D > > -jde

Oh sure ruin my fun....anyhow...I do have a serious Jones for Chaparrals and those ....had Chevy powerplants. (although the factory denied they were sending custom built aluminium blocks to Texas) Ok so SUE me...btw...I toy with the marcos...then it's back to the Snake. :)

> Oh sure ruin my fun....anyhow...I do have a serious Jones for Chaparrals > and those ....had Chevy powerplants. (although the factory denied they were > sending custom built aluminium blocks to Texas) > Ok so SUE me...btw...I toy with the marcos...then it's back to the Snake. > :) > Mmmmmmmmmm Chaparrals .............. :^) A Can Am mod MMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...................... Bob

In article <AigH9.229659$1O2.14959@sccrnsc04>, [email hidden] says... > Ok so SUE me...btw...I toy with the marcos...then it's back to the Snake. > A man after my own heart. I have to drive the Marcos just because it sounds so freakin good, but when it's time to race, bring out the Mopar :-) -- __________________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com __________________________

Dave Henrie wrote: > > Oh sure ruin my fun....anyhow...I do have a serious Jones for Chaparrals > and those ....had Chevy powerplants. (although the factory denied they were > sending custom built aluminium blocks to Texas) I knew you couldn't be all bad, Dave! ;) I got to see the restored Chaparrals at Road America last year. Works of art, even the 2J. Get "Chevrolet = Racing?" for the GM perspective of the Chaparral program. -jde

I think you said that wrong... I think the Marcos toys with you... "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AigH9.229659$1O2.14959@sccrnsc04... > > Oh sure ruin my fun....anyhow...I do have a serious Jones forChaparrals > and those ....had Chevy powerplants. (although the factory deniedthey were > sending custom built aluminium blocks to Texas) > Ok so SUE me...btw...I toy with the marcos...then it's back to theSnake. > :) > >

Yea and verily. I would actually pay serious money for a good sim of early Can-Am. . . . Yes, that was the sound of me, wiping drool from my lips. Jim Dave Henrie wrote:

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>"J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... > >>Dave Henrie wrote: >> >>> Like many I have been blown away by the sounds in the GTR mod. >>> >However, > >>>I have found that some others, like my wife, do NOT share an enthusiasm >>> >for > >>>the Marcos sounds cranked to level 10. >>> >>Dave: >> >>Don't you realize the Marcos is motivated by a "bowtie?" >> >>Too bad it's not painted Milennium Yellow for your driving pleasure... >> >>:-D >> >>-jde >> > Oh sure ruin my fun....anyhow...I do have a serious Jones for Chaparrals >and those ....had Chevy powerplants. (although the factory denied they were >sending custom built aluminium blocks to Texas) > Ok so SUE me...btw...I toy with the marcos...then it's back to the Snake. >:) > >

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:asm7ib$t25dm$[email hidden]... > I think you said that wrong... I think the Marcos toys with you... > Heck ALL of them do. they tease, they snicker, they guffaw... dave henrie "I'm not a bad race car driver, but I play one on my computer." --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.422 / Virus Database: 237 - Release Date: 11/20/02

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> Dave Henrie wrote: > > > > Oh sure ruin my fun....anyhow...I do have a serious Jones for Chaparrals > > and those ....had Chevy powerplants. (although the factory denied they were > > sending custom built aluminium blocks to Texas) > > I knew you couldn't be all bad, Dave! ;) I got to see the restored > Chaparrals at Road America last year. Works of art, even the 2J. Get > "Chevrolet = Racing?" for the GM perspective of the Chaparral program.

Paul VanValkenburgh's version (noted above) is very good but may I also <blatent plug!> suggest Frank Winchell's section in the history chapter in "Race Car Vehicle Dynamics". Chevy R & D was deeply involved behind the scenes of the Chaparral story, and Winchell was the boss of R & D, and later a VP of General Motors. Amazon doesn't stock books from SAE (like ours), and last time I looked Amazon even charged an additional $10! Order direct from www.sae.org (direct link from our site) for best delivery and price, they have many racing books (including "Chevrolet = Racing?") -- Doug Milliken www.millikenresearch.com/rcvd.html