A gtr2002 driving style question...

How much should I be squealing the tires in this type of racing? Is all the way through turns ok, or just every now and then?

"jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:rV6H9.9455$[email hidden]: > How much should I be squealing the tires in this type of racing? Is > all the way through turns ok, or just every now and then? > > > My guess is squealing + no smoke = good, squealing + smoke = bad :) The tyre heat/wear info screen may come in handy. You immediately see when tires are becoming overheated from abuse...

Excellent question. And if you could (this knowledgeable respondent), please also tell us if it is normal not to be able to lock up the brakes even with your foot to the floor... Thanks, Marc "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rV6H9.9455$[email hidden]... > How much should I be squealing the tires in this type of racing? Is allthe > way through turns ok, or just every now and then? > > >

Marc Collins wrote: > > Excellent question. And if you could (this knowledgeable respondent), > please also tell us if it is normal not to be able to lock up the brakes > even with your foot to the floor... Quite normal if you've left the ABS setting too high. Failing that, it might be a controller sensitivity issue. Gerry

No ABS, obviously! Marc "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Marc Collins wrote: > > > > Excellent question. And if you could (this knowledgeable respondent), > > please also tell us if it is normal not to be able to lock up the brakes > > even with your foot to the floor... > > Quite normal if you've left the ABS setting too high. Failing that, it > might be a controller sensitivity issue. > > Gerry

Marc Collins wrote: > > No ABS, obviously! Pardon me for trying to help! I just thought you may have left the 'Anti-Lock Brakes' setting on high.

> No ABS, obviously! Ever heard of a race driver going into the first turn with cold brakes and not being able t stop? That's the way these brakes work. In GPL, if you're doing 320km/h and hit the brakes on full, they don't don't lock-up immediately despite having much less grippy tyres and miniscule downforce compared to these GT cars. I'm sorry I can't give a scientific explanation, but I can assure you that these brakes perform true to their real life counterparts.

seems like that would have to be the aforementioned controller sensitivity. After I turned off abs, it took me a while to figure out how to keep from locking them up. I couldn't even go 1/4 down without locking them. "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Marc Collins wrote: > > > > Excellent question. And if you could (this knowledgeable respondent), > > please also tell us if it is normal not to be able to lock up the brakes > > even with your foot to the floor... > > Quite normal if you've left the ABS setting too high. Failing that, it > might be a controller sensitivity issue. > > Gerry

No offence meant--but I am an old hand here...no driving aids is a given :) Marc "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Marc Collins wrote: > > > > No ABS, obviously! > > Pardon me for trying to help! I just thought you may have left the > 'Anti-Lock Brakes' setting on high.

So are you saying that the cars constantly have cold brakes and they never warm up, or are you saying that the friction force of the brake pads is not enough to overcome the inertia of the spinning wheels at high speeds? JB

"JB" wrote... > So are you saying that the cars constantly have cold brakes > and they never warm up, or are you saying that the friction > force of the brake pads is not enough to overcome the > inertia of the spinning wheels at high speeds? No, he's saying that the download generated by the aerodynamics is such the brakes cannot provide enough force to lock the wheels at speed even if full braking is applied (there is a limit to how hard the virtual driver can push the pedal in the game). As speed decreases so does download (with the square, actually) so you have to release the brake progressively as you slow down to stop the wheels from locking. Also, as you start turning in, total grip of the tyre is being shared between braking and cornering so you have to "trail" out of the brake even further to prevent lock-up. Another phenomenon which can be observed in the mod. For best results in this area, IMO, the axis sensitivity for your pedals must be set to 50% (linear) in the game. Jan. =---

> So are you saying that the cars constantly have cold brakes and they never > warm up, or are you saying that the friction force of the brake pads isnot > enough to overcome the inertia of the spinning wheels at high speeds? I'm saying that even when they are at optimum temperature, they don't have the friction force to instantly lock the wheels. Not even the Porsches ; ). As I say, it's the same in GPL - even those '67 cars with their huge brakes can't lock the wheels instantly at very high speed.

> For best results in this area, IMO, the axis sensitivity for your pedals > must be set to 50% (linear) in the game. Very true.

On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:50:07 +1000, "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> For best results in this area, IMO, the axis sensitivity for your pedals >> must be set to 50% (linear) in the game. > >Very true. > Since steering is in combined-axis mode, setting 50% axis sensitivity will make it linear. But shouldn't linear for split-axis devices like pedals be 0%? Correct me if I'm wrong. Right now I have 50% axis sens. for my steering and 0% for my brake and gas (Act Labs Performance Pedals). -- karkrazy AT softhome DOT net http://karkrazy.m4driving.sm

> Right now I have 50% axis sens. for my steering and 0% for my brake > and gas (Act Labs Performance Pedals). Trust me, you need 50% sensitivity for linear braking, throttle and steering. The X-axis appears to behave differently to the other axes. If you depress the pedals in the axis setup screen, you can prove to yourself exactly what's going on. With your throttle and brake set to 0%, you'd find that

Whoops, hit 'send'... > Trust me, you need 50% sensitivity for linear braking, throttle and > steering. The X-axis appears to behave differently to the other axes. If > you depress the pedals in the axis setup screen, you can prove to yourself > exactly what's going on. With your throttle and brake set to 0%, you'dfind > that...most of the braking/acceleration occurs within the last little bitof travel. If you were to set the pedals to 100%, you'd find that all of the braking/acceleration would occur within the first little bit of travel. The pedal/steering sensitivity numbers are relative to their stationary positions. Unfortunately my wheel doesn't have enough resolution/travel to use 50% (full linear) steering so I have to back it off a little. 50% is very important for the pedals - particularly the throttle.

double your resolution with dxtweek2 "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ask7k2$s1to8$[email hidden]... > Whoops, hit 'send'... > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.422 / Virus Database: 237 - Release Date: 11/20/02

> double your resolution with dxtweek2 Not needed for F1 2002 (at least not with my wheel) They seem to have fixed the deadzone problems that plagued F1 2001

> double your resolution with dxtweek2 Oh, you mean for the wheel...well, I don't think it's a software resolution problem, but I'll give it a try...

On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:34:04 +1000, "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Whoops, hit 'send'... > >> Trust me, you need 50% sensitivity for linear braking, throttle and >> steering. The X-axis appears to behave differently to the other axes. If >> you depress the pedals in the axis setup screen, you can prove to yourself >> exactly what's going on. With your throttle and brake set to 0%, you'd >find >> that...most of the braking/acceleration occurs within the last little bit >of travel. If you were to set the pedals to 100%, you'd find that all of >the braking/acceleration would occur within the first little bit of travel. >The pedal/steering sensitivity numbers are relative to their stationary >positions. Unfortunately my wheel doesn't have enough resolution/travel to >use 50% (full linear) steering so I have to back it off a little. 50% is >very important for the pedals - particularly the throttle. >

Okay, you sold me on the idea. :) I did some testing in the axis setup screen and noticed what you described. I guess this would be true for the clutch as well? Okay so 50% is linear, 0% is non-linear, then what is 100% then? -- karkrazy AT softhome DOT net http://karkrazy.m4driving.sm

"karkrazy" wrote... > Okay, you sold me on the idea. :) I did some testing > in the axis setup screen and noticed what you described. > I guess this would be true for the clutch as well? Goes for any control axis. > Okay so 50% is linear, 0% is non-linear, then what is > 100% then? 50% is linear, less is less sensitive around the middle(steering)/beginning of travel(split pedals), more is more sensitive. Jan. =---

On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:57:46 -0500, Marc Collins wrote: > No ABS, obviously! > > Marc cold brakes? uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

> Okay, you sold me on the idea. :) I did some testing in the axis > setup screen and noticed what you described. I guess this would be > true for the clutch as well? > > Okay so 50% is linear, 0% is non-linear, then what is 100% then? 100% is best described as hyper-sensitive..