gtr2002 vs gtr for f1 2001

how does the new version differ from the old one? i found the old one to be kind of a bastard to drive sometimes, is the new one the same way? what else has changed?

its crap....not worth bothering with how can it be the 'same way' if it is a totally seperate and different project..? unless of course they copied the 'same way' effect... AD

You don't seem to like much, do you Aidee? :) Thanks, Alex "Aidee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:asomgi$6h9$[email hidden]...

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> its crap....not worth bothering with > > how can it be the 'same way' if it is a totally seperate and different > project..? > > unless of course they copied the 'same way' effect... > > > AD > >

"frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:upQH9.26648$[email hidden]... > how does the new version differ from the old one? i found the old one tobe > kind of a bastard to drive sometimes, is the new one the same way? whatelse > has changed? > F1 2k1 has several problems with items like tire wear and heat buildup that created problems while driving. This was corrected for 2k2. Also the Simbin team had a fair ammount of inpjut for a wish-list of items to make 2k2 more mod friendly. At the end of the day, GTR is still a mod, but it is head and shoulders above FIA_GTv3 and superior to many commercial sims. I suspect if you didn't like FIA_GTv3 then you may have issues with GTR 2k2. But that is only my guess. I used to be able to scrub off speed in FIA by cranking the wheel and locking the brakes. Doesn't work now. I used to loose front traction and start skidding with no hope of recovery. Now I can over-drive a turn entry and still recover enough to save the corner...Try Spa and really push through the 180 degree turn..Revase I think it's called. Night and day difference. dave henrie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.422 / Virus Database: 237 - Release Date: 11/20/02

> I suspect if you didn't like FIA_GTv3 then you may have issues with GTR > 2k2. But that is only my guess. I used to be able to scrub off speed in > FIA by cranking the wheel and locking the brakes. Doesn't work now. Iused > to loose front traction and start skidding with no hope of recovery. NowI > can over-drive a turn entry and still recover enough to save the > corner...Try Spa and really push through the 180 degree turn..Revase Ithink > it's called. Night and day difference. > dave henrie Then I will be picking it up tomorrow morning after class :-)

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes: > I suspect if you didn't like FIA_GTv3 then you may have issues with GTR > 2k2. don't know about that. I absolutely loathe FIA GTv3, and I'm convinced GTR2002 is the best thing since sex. -- Gunnar Cougar#02748 #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 myk, trygg og god.

"Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes: : : > I suspect if you didn't like FIA_GTv3 then you may have issues with GTR : > 2k2. : : don't know about that. I absolutely loathe FIA GTv3, and I'm : convinced GTR2002 is the best thing since sex. I loved V1 of the orig. GT Mod. Hated V2 V3 made me phsyically sick * For me, GTR2k2 doesnt really have much staying power ( because of the shitty netcode. even on ADSL, set to 56k, on a number of different servers - still not had a good race) - but it IS a better sim than any of the previous version Doug

"Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> writes: > For me, GTR2k2 doesnt really have much staying power ( because of the shitty > netcode. even on ADSL, set to 56k, on a number of different servers - still > not had a good race) - but it IS a better sim than any of the previous > version others have had problem free 16-player races, Doug. hang in there! :) -- Gunnar Cougar#02748 #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 "Det er nok ingen ovn, men fartsm�leren v�r."

"Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > For me, GTR2k2 doesnt really have much staying power ( because of theshitty > > netcode. even on ADSL, set to 56k, on a number of different servers -still > > not had a good race) - but it IS a better sim than any of the previous > > version > > others have had problem free 16-player races, Doug. hang in there! :) I shouldnt HAVE to hang in there. Another programming team got this crap right 4 bloody years ago. Why should ISI get away with this shite It's just so disgustingly frustrating Doug

I still question whether people are making a fair comparison here. When you run GTR in multiplayer, do you restrict the number of visible cars to 6 like GPL does in multiplayer? How many players could a GPL server host if the server was on ADSL and the host was playing on the server? I am not trying to be a smartass, these are honest questions; I hardly ever play multiplayer racing games so I don't know the answer to these questions. I do play a whole lot of FPS games multiplayer, and have helped several people to successfully set up and run servers on everything from cable to a T3. Smooth multiplayer gaming always comes down to bandwidth, and when comparing the config files for the GTR mod and GPL, I don't see any reason why you couldn't get the bandwidth of GTR down to the same level of GPL, as long as you AND THE HOST set it up in a similar manner. As a comparison, even in a "simple" game like Half-Life, there is virtually no way to get a smooth game on a broadband host unless you restrict all players to the equivalent of modem rates and keep the number of players down to about 6. Most people don't seem to understand that either, but that's the way it is and from what I have heard about GTR its bandwidth requirements are not remarkably different. "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PztM9.2680$4k6.326788@wards... > > > I shouldnt HAVE to hang in there. Another programming team got thiscrap

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> right 4 bloody years ago. Why should ISI get away with this shite > > It's just so disgustingly frustrating > > Doug > >

On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:32:21 -0000, Doug Ellison wrote:

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> > I shouldnt HAVE to hang in there. Another programming team got this crap > right 4 bloody years ago. Why should ISI get away with this shite > > It's just so disgustingly frustrating > > Doug > >

Shoddy Programmer's Excuse Calendar, page 350: "The FIA made me do it." ;-) Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Actually the problem is the FOA, not the FIA. Not long ago I asked Gjon Camaj in an e-mail if they could release a dedicated server for F1 2002, and he replied: "Unfortunately, the FOA specifically prevents us from adding dedicated servers to our F1 titles. In fact, the entire multiplayer feature has to be carefully put together as to not infringe on anyone's rights." The way I read this is that they are not allowed to develop any sort of internet server network, the most they can do is peer-to-peer. And peer-to-peer over the internet just doesn't work as well as client-server, that has been proven in many different games. "Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Shoddy Programmer's Excuse Calendar, page 350: > "The FIA made me do it." >

On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:25:48 -0500, Haqsau wrote:

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> Actually the problem is the FOA, not the FIA. Not long ago I asked Gjon > Camaj in an e-mail if they could release a dedicated server for F1 2002, > and he replied: > > "Unfortunately, the FOA specifically prevents us from adding dedicated > servers to our F1 titles. In fact, the entire multiplayer feature has > to be carefully put together as to not infringe on anyone's rights."

Thanks for the information! Why don't they release an unofficial version with non-descript cars that can be easily patched? At least that was something Ubisoft did right... cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Uwe Schuerkamp wrote:

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> > On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:32:21 -0000, Doug Ellison wrote: > > > > I shouldnt HAVE to hang in there. Another programming team got this crap > > right 4 bloody years ago. Why should ISI get away with this shite > > > > It's just so disgustingly frustrating > > > > Doug > > > > > > Shoddy Programmer's Excuse Calendar, page 350: > "The FIA made me do it."

Something tells me you read BOFH Uwe :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

For that matter, wouldn't it be nice if they would release a dedicated server for NASCAR Thunder that could somehow be easily hacked into working with F1 2002? "Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Thanks for the information! Why don't they release an > unofficial version with non-descript cars that can be easily > patched? At least that was something Ubisoft did right... >

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:au0koc$3bqln$[email hidden]... > For that matter, wouldn't it be nice if they would release a dedicated > server for NASCAR Thunder that could somehow be easily hacked into > working with F1 2002? > > "Uwe Schuerkamp" From what I've read, they plan NO updates to the multi for either f1 2k2 or NT. I have heard of rumours of a pay to race feature, but so far I haven't seen anything concrete about that. If that is the case, they are probably going to leave NT crippled so that it can't compete for free what they hope to charge for. dave henrie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/02

On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:47:24 +0100, Goy Larsen wrote:

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>> Shoddy Programmer's Excuse Calendar, page 350: >> "The FIA made me do it." > > Something tells me you read BOFH Uwe :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy

he he, I think that goes with over a decade in IT. ;-) Uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Uwe Schuerkamp wrote: > > he he, I think that goes with over a decade in IT. ;-) What was your user name again ? :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--