[OT] TOFU stats for 2002-12-08

Hi folks, below you will find the updated TOFU stats for last week. I think I have to find another way of sorting the results as seeing Nick there on top (you made it, mate) seems a bit unfair to him, given that his noise index is approaching 1 which is quite good. Enjoy, Uwe ###################################################################### TOP TOFUS of rec.autos.simulators Analyzed 1236 articles posted since 2002-12-08 (7 days total). The first column shows the total kilobytes of quoted text found in posts by the author (last column). The second column contains the "noise index", which I define as the ratio of genuine new material to old, quoted text found in all postings. The third column contains the total number of articles posted by the author. The fourth column shows us the percentage of new material to stuff that was simply quoted from older messages. To improve your spot in the rankings or ideally, get out the top 10 altogether, please consult the following URL: <a href="http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html"> http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.htm</a> your fellow netizens will be most grateful for it. ;-) ###################################################################### SORTED BY KILOBYTES QUOTED 32.53 0.9341 130 57.15% Nick 28.56 0.3355 62 25.85% Marc Collins 14.37 0.4802 46 36.59% Larry 13.45 0.5058 30 35.67% Steve Blankenship 13.39 0.9512 76 59.21% Haqsau 10.71 0.2747 34 24.83% Schooner 10.70 0.3391 18 19.77% Alex pez Porazinski 9.15 0.6601 60 45.81% Aidee This weeks winner: NICK ###################################################################### -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> SORTED BY KILOBYTES QUOTED > > 32.53 0.9341 130 57.15% Nick > 28.56 0.3355 62 25.85% Marc Collins > 14.37 0.4802 46 36.59% Larry > 13.45 0.5058 30 35.67% Steve Blankenship > 13.39 0.9512 76 59.21% Haqsau > 10.71 0.2747 34 24.83% Schooner > 10.70 0.3391 18 19.77% Alex pez Porazinski > 9.15 0.6601 60 45.81% Aidee > > > This weeks winner: NICK

Woohoo! I'd just like to thank a couple of people quickly. The guys at SBDT for the excellent GTR2002, which has made me write posts in this newsgroup recently. The guys at Papyrus for getting me into the whole rec.autos.simulators thing in the first place. You guys, for talking about interesting stuff all the time. Oh, and let's not forget the inimitable PAPADOC, whose insane ramblings about politics got me this award. Jeez, 130 postings? What the hell am I playing at?

"Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:asvbu8$v7cvs$[email hidden]...

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> "Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > SORTED BY KILOBYTES QUOTED > > > > 32.53 0.9341 130 57.15% Nick > > 28.56 0.3355 62 25.85% Marc Collins > > 14.37 0.4802 46 36.59% Larry > > 13.45 0.5058 30 35.67% Steve Blankenship > > 13.39 0.9512 76 59.21% Haqsau > > 10.71 0.2747 34 24.83% Schooner > > 10.70 0.3391 18 19.77% Alex pez Porazinski > > 9.15 0.6601 60 45.81% Aidee > > > > > > This weeks winner: NICK > > Woohoo! I'd just like to thank a couple of people quickly. The guys at

SBDT > for the excellent GTR2002, which has made me write posts in this newsgroup > recently. The guys at Papyrus for getting me into the whole > rec.autos.simulators thing in the first place. You guys, for talking about > interesting stuff all the time. Oh, and let's not forget the inimitable > PAPADOC, whose insane ramblings about politics got me this award. Jeez,130 > postings? What the hell am I playing at? > Congrats Nick. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Make sure you give Uwe your mailing address so he can ship the trophy. Really swell man, :) dave henrie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/02

You are apparently assuming that we should all agree with the poster of that article on what constitutes proper quoting. I don't. "Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi folks, > > below you will find the updated TOFU stats for last week. I > think I have to find another way of sorting the results as > seeing Nick there on top (you made it, mate) seems a bit unfair > to him, given that his noise index is approaching 1 which is > quite good. > > Enjoy, > > Uwe > > ###################################################################### > TOP TOFUS of rec.autos.simulators > > Analyzed 1236 articles posted since 2002-12-08 (7 days total). > > The first column shows the total kilobytes of quoted text found > in posts by the author (last column). The second column > contains the "noise index", which I define as the ratio of > genuine new material to old, quoted text found in all postings. > The third column contains the total number of articles posted > by the author. > > The fourth column shows us the percentage of new material to > stuff that was simply quoted from older messages. > > To improve your spot in the rankings or ideally, get out the > top 10 altogether, please consult the following URL: > > <a href="http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html"> > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.htm</a> > > your fellow netizens will be most grateful for it. ;-) > > ###################################################################### > SORTED BY KILOBYTES QUOTED > > 32.53 0.9341 130 57.15% Nick > 28.56 0.3355 62 25.85% Marc Collins > 14.37 0.4802 46 36.59% Larry > 13.45 0.5058 30 35.67% Steve Blankenship > 13.39 0.9512 76 59.21% Haqsau > 10.71 0.2747 34 24.83% Schooner > 10.70 0.3391 18 19.77% Alex pez Porazinski > 9.15 0.6601 60 45.81% Aidee > > > This weeks winner: NICK > > > ###################################################################### > > > -- > mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Sigh. Fame is so fleeting............can I get bonus points for top-posting on an original TOFU stat post ? :) John "Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi folks, > > below you will find the updated TOFU stats for last week. I > think I have to find another way of sorting the results as > seeing Nick there on top (you made it, mate) seems a bit unfair > to him, given that his noise index is approaching 1 which is > quite good. > > Enjoy, > > Uwe > > ###################################################################### > TOP TOFUS of rec.autos.simulators > > Analyzed 1236 articles posted since 2002-12-08 (7 days total). > > The first column shows the total kilobytes of quoted text found > in posts by the author (last column). The second column > contains the "noise index", which I define as the ratio of > genuine new material to old, quoted text found in all postings. > The third column contains the total number of articles posted > by the author. > > The fourth column shows us the percentage of new material to > stuff that was simply quoted from older messages. > > To improve your spot in the rankings or ideally, get out the > top 10 altogether, please consult the following URL: > > <a href="http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html"> > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.htm</a> > > your fellow netizens will be most grateful for it. ;-) > > ###################################################################### > SORTED BY KILOBYTES QUOTED > > 32.53 0.9341 130 57.15% Nick > 28.56 0.3355 62 25.85% Marc Collins > 14.37 0.4802 46 36.59% Larry > 13.45 0.5058 30 35.67% Steve Blankenship > 13.39 0.9512 76 59.21% Haqsau > 10.71 0.2747 34 24.83% Schooner > 10.70 0.3391 18 19.77% Alex pez Porazinski > 9.15 0.6601 60 45.81% Aidee > > > This weeks winner: NICK > > > ###################################################################### > > > -- > mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Sigh. Fame is so fleeting............can I get bonus points for > top-posting on an original TOFU stat post ? :) > > John > So, if we were to take some TOFU, the textured kind of course, the plain untextured TOFU is just so...plain, anyhow, if we were to take this textured TOFU and mix it with oh say regular ground beef, would that make it anyless harmful? Sure I know mixing the textured TOFU with Ground Beef will disrupt the little texture patterns on the tofu but my point is,....if we had some SPAM maybe and made a SPAM and TOFU sandwich. With some lovely cheese and mayo...would that make me a faster sim racer? dave henrie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/02

Woohoo, I have the highest noise index! Uh... is that good or bad? BTW WTF is TOFU anyway? TMA! (Too Many Acronyms!) I did a Google search and other than the obvious I came up with "Triangle Origami Folders United", of which I am pretty sure I am not a member, and "The OFU" magazine, which has something to do with Anime. So unless you are accusing me of being an anime cartoon I am still confused about the meaning of your post. "Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi folks, > > below you will find the updated TOFU stats for last week. I > think I have to find another way of sorting the results as > seeing Nick there on top (you made it, mate) seems a bit unfair > to him, given that his noise index is approaching 1 which is > quite good. > > Enjoy, > > Uwe > > ###################################################################### > TOP TOFUS of rec.autos.simulators > > Analyzed 1236 articles posted since 2002-12-08 (7 days total). > > The first column shows the total kilobytes of quoted text found > in posts by the author (last column). The second column > contains the "noise index", which I define as the ratio of > genuine new material to old, quoted text found in all postings. > The third column contains the total number of articles posted > by the author. > > The fourth column shows us the percentage of new material to > stuff that was simply quoted from older messages. > > To improve your spot in the rankings or ideally, get out the > top 10 altogether, please consult the following URL: > > <a href="http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html"> > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.htm</a> > > your fellow netizens will be most grateful for it. ;-) > > ###################################################################### > SORTED BY KILOBYTES QUOTED > > 32.53 0.9341 130 57.15% Nick > 28.56 0.3355 62 25.85% Marc Collins > 14.37 0.4802 46 36.59% Larry > 13.45 0.5058 30 35.67% Steve Blankenship > 13.39 0.9512 76 59.21% Haqsau > 10.71 0.2747 34 24.83% Schooner > 10.70 0.3391 18 19.77% Alex pez Porazinski > 9.15 0.6601 60 45.81% Aidee > > > This weeks winner: NICK > > > ###################################################################### > > > -- > mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Haqsau" wrote...

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> Woohoo, I have the highest noise index! > Uh... is that good or bad? > > BTW WTF is TOFU anyway? TMA! (Too Many Acronyms!) > > I did a Google search and other than the obvious I > came up with "Triangle Origami Folders United", of > which I am pretty sure I am not a member, and "The > OFU" magazine, which has something to do with Anime. > So unless you are accusing me of being an anime > cartoon I am still confused about the meaning of > your post. >

Text Oben Fullquote Unten... bit obscure to say the least. Jan. =---

On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:43:43 -0500, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote: >You are apparently assuming that we should all agree with the poster of >that article on what constitutes proper quoting. I don't. The way I see it, people can choose to quote parts of posts that are irrelevant to their replies, not properly quote inline, etc and that's fine and dandy. OTOH, I personally don't read posts that require 5 minutes of scanning the entire body of the message to find the person's replay, either. Also, while it may be petty, I tend to value the opinions of people who are able to post in an intelligent and organized manner, even if I disagree with them. The 3 things that tend to make me ignore a person, even if they have something of value to contribute to a discussion, are poor spelling, poor grammar, and poor netiquette. I've never understood people who quote entire messages because it simply isn't an effective way of communicating. By parsing and editing someone's message before replying to it, you facilitate the conversation and make your post easier to understand by showing exactly what it is that you're replying to. If someone quotes 200 lines of text and sticks a one line replay at the top it forces everyone reading that post to read 200 lines of text that are in all likelihood largely irrelevant to the person's response. Jason

I typically quote entire messages for the following reasons: - It ensure nothing is taken out of context. Some people like to quote a sentence and twist it to suit their needs, I'd rather quote it all to be fair. - Some news servers don't maintain messages very long so having part of the discussion in the reply helps those that cannot follow all the thread. - It keeps things in context when the threading is broken or goes off topic. The stats are great but I have no intention of changing my postings to get off the list. This is a free open discussion group, and I don't feel my posts ruin the use of news groups as much as the name calling and profanity that many people find a need to use (not specific to this group). Common sense means more to me than some rules developed by a netiquette group. "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:43:43 -0500, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >You are apparently assuming that we should all agree with the poster of > >that article on what constitutes proper quoting. I don't. > > The way I see it, people can choose to quote parts of posts that are > irrelevant to their replies, not properly quote inline, etc and that's > fine and dandy. OTOH, I personally don't read posts that require 5 > minutes of scanning the entire body of the message to find the > person's replay, either. > > Also, while it may be petty, I tend to value the opinions of people > who are able to post in an intelligent and organized manner, even if I > disagree with them. The 3 things that tend to make me ignore a > person, even if they have something of value to contribute to a > discussion, are poor spelling, poor grammar, and poor netiquette. > > I've never understood people who quote entire messages because it > simply isn't an effective way of communicating. By parsing and > editing someone's message before replying to it, you facilitate the > conversation and make your post easier to understand by showing > exactly what it is that you're replying to. If someone quotes 200 > lines of text and sticks a one line replay at the top it forces > everyone reading that post to read 200 lines of text that are in all > likelihood largely irrelevant to the person's response. > > Jason

Fuckin' A On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:55:05 -0400, "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I typically quote entire messages for the following reasons: >- It ensure nothing is taken out of context. Some people like to quote a >sentence and twist it to suit their needs, I'd rather quote it all to be >fair. >- Some news servers don't maintain messages very long so having part of the >discussion in the reply helps those that cannot follow all the thread. >- It keeps things in context when the threading is broken or goes off topic. > >The stats are great but I have no intention of changing my postings to get >off the list. This is a free open discussion group, and I don't feel my >posts ruin the use of news groups as much as the name calling and profanity >that many people find a need to use (not specific to this group). Common >sense means more to me than some rules developed by a netiquette group. > > >"Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:43:43 -0500, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >You are apparently assuming that we should all agree with the poster of >> >that article on what constitutes proper quoting. I don't. >> >> The way I see it, people can choose to quote parts of posts that are >> irrelevant to their replies, not properly quote inline, etc and that's >> fine and dandy. OTOH, I personally don't read posts that require 5 >> minutes of scanning the entire body of the message to find the >> person's replay, either. >> >> Also, while it may be petty, I tend to value the opinions of people >> who are able to post in an intelligent and organized manner, even if I >> disagree with them. The 3 things that tend to make me ignore a >> person, even if they have something of value to contribute to a >> discussion, are poor spelling, poor grammar, and poor netiquette. >> >> I've never understood people who quote entire messages because it >> simply isn't an effective way of communicating. By parsing and >> editing someone's message before replying to it, you facilitate the >> conversation and make your post easier to understand by showing >> exactly what it is that you're replying to. If someone quotes 200 >> lines of text and sticks a one line replay at the top it forces >> everyone reading that post to read 200 lines of text that are in all >> likelihood largely irrelevant to the person's response. >> >> Jason >

On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 07:05:52 -0500, Shove The Stats <[email hidden]> wrote: >Fuckin' A Hello, PAPADOC! Still leading the fascist revolution? Jason

On Sun, 08 Dec 2002 21:05:49 GMT, Jan Verschueren wrote: > Text Oben Fullquote Unten... bit obscure to say the least. > good to see a discussion going on that topic. I think tofu has a nice ring to it, even if it's taken from a German acronym. I'll add an explanation of the term TOFU to next week's stats. Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:48:51 GMT, Jason Moyer wrote:

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> On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 07:05:52 -0500, Shove The Stats <[email hidden]> > wrote: > >>Fuckin' A > > Hello, PAPADOC! Still leading the fascist revolution? > > Jason

Hey Jason, do you believe it's him? I wouldn't think so ;-) Anyway, the tofu rankings are there for open fun and ridicule of all top scorers ;-), and I won't change the subject line so it should be pretty easy to set up a filter in your newsreader if you're not interested to receive them in the future. I might also change to a bi-weekly schedule if you'd rather see that (gives the script more postings to analyze to the outcome will be more representative). Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

I've just read the definition of 'Trolling' over in that thread regarding the cart newsgroup... ;-) Achim