Pinging an NR2K2 Server

Does anyone know how to a) ping an NR2K2 server and b) decode what it sends back? I've identified some of the contents of response packet, and here's what I found. If you know what any of this stuff is please don't hesitate to contribute. On the race i was serving (as an example) Track was taladega, 5% race length Practice, warmup and post race time was 120 minutes each. All realism toggles were off netserver port was 32766 10 connections allowed fixed weather not saving results not saving replay NR2002 Sim title 1.1.0.2 Sim version 32766 Net server port 32777 ??? D2 Host Test Server name USA Local Cable/Dsl Connection talladega track name cup series (always cup?) 0/10 currently connected/allowed to connect 4P5400SQ2LP3600SR10L 4 = P5400S = Q2L = 2 qual laps? P3600S = R10L = 1YFAIDCSMLW This field contains several toggle settings. For my race, it was all dashs, meaning everything was toggled OFF. 1 = ??? - i've seen values from 1 to 3. Y = Cautions are on F = Fixed setup on A = Arcade mode on I = ??? D = Dedicated server C = Force cockpit on S = Force smoke on M = Mechanixcal failures on L = Full pace lap W = Realistic weather y 0 S5369 this value appears to count down? y n y 0 000a000a000a000a00 skill limits and lpi limit 53

Good job John... HOPEFULLY, N2003 will allow us to be able to join N2003 races directly via command line / like N3 and GPL. Then we won't need that POS Sierra chat anymore. Geez, nothing worse than that stupid chat system and not being able to alt-tab when in Opengl. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Does anyone know how to > > > > a) ping an NR2K2 server > > > > and > > > > b) decode what it sends back? > > > > ... snip ... > > > > 4P5400SQ2LP3600SR10L 4 = > > P5400S = > > Q2L = 2 qual laps? > > P3600S = > > R10L = > > > > R10L = the number of laps left in the race (or number of laps > originally scheduled). > > P5400S = the practice time - max is 90 minutes (5400 seconds), I > always thought the max was 120 minutes. > > P3600S = the warmup time - I think the max is 60 minutes, again I was > assuming that the max was 120 minutes. > > I still don't know what the "4" represents at the beginning of the > field, but I know it's not track type. > > The search continues...

Won't it also allow banned cd keys to join as well? I don't think anyone but those who are banned want that to be able to happen. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Bill Bollinger <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Good job John... HOPEFULLY, N2003 will allow us to be able to join N2003 > races directly via command line / like N3 and GPL. Then we won't need that > POS Sierra chat anymore. Geez, nothing worse than that stupid chat system > and not being able to alt-tab when in Opengl. > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > Does anyone know how to > > > > > > a) ping an NR2K2 server > > > > > > and > > > > > > b) decode what it sends back? > > > > > > ... snip ... > > > > > > 4P5400SQ2LP3600SR10L 4 = > > > P5400S = > > > Q2L = 2 qual laps? > > > P3600S = > > > R10L = > > > > > > > R10L = the number of laps left in the race (or number of laps > > originally scheduled). > > > > P5400S = the practice time - max is 90 minutes (5400 seconds), I > > always thought the max was 120 minutes. > > > > P3600S = the warmup time - I think the max is 60 minutes, again I was > > assuming that the max was 120 minutes. > > > > I still don't know what the "4" represents at the beginning of the > > field, but I know it's not track type. > > > > The search continues... > >

Young one... please do research as to how half life works (Which can be joined via-command line) but still go through won.net (Sierra) to check for banned keys etc. BTW, N3, used/ueses the same technology. The N4/N2002 staff just chose to be lazy IMHO. Therefore, based upon that... Why wouldn't anyone want that feature to be included? GASP... Support from ASE? and every other major tool for REAL online games? Windows enviroment vs. the crap we have now? "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JqAI9.43097$[email hidden]... > Won't it also allow banned cd keys to join as well? I don't think anyonebut those who are banned

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> want that to be able to happen. > -- > Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash > > > Bill Bollinger <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Good job John... HOPEFULLY, N2003 will allow us to be able to join

N2003 > > races directly via command line / like N3 and GPL. Then we won't needthat > > POS Sierra chat anymore. Geez, nothing worse than that stupid chatsystem

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> > and not being able to alt-tab when in Opengl. > > > > > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > > [email hidden] says... > > > > Does anyone know how to > > > > > > > > a) ping an NR2K2 server > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > b) decode what it sends back? > > > > > > > > ... snip ... > > > > > > > > 4P5400SQ2LP3600SR10L 4 = > > > > P5400S = > > > > Q2L = 2 qual laps? > > > > P3600S = > > > > R10L = > > > > > > > > > > R10L = the number of laps left in the race (or number of laps > > > originally scheduled). > > > > > > P5400S = the practice time - max is 90 minutes (5400 seconds), I > > > always thought the max was 120 minutes. > > > > > > P3600S = the warmup time - I think the max is 60 minutes, again I was > > > assuming that the max was 120 minutes. > > > > > > I still don't know what the "4" represents at the beginning of the > > > field, but I know it's not track type. > > > > > > The search continues... > > > > > >

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> Does anyone know how to > > a) ping an NR2K2 server > > and > > b) decode what it sends back? > > ... snip ... > > 4P5400SQ2LP3600SR10L 4 = > P5400S = > Q2L = 2 qual laps? > P3600S = > R10L = >

R10L = the number of laps left in the race (or number of laps originally scheduled). P5400S = the practice time - max is 90 minutes (5400 seconds), I always thought the max was 120 minutes. P3600S = the warmup time - I think the max is 60 minutes, again I was assuming that the max was 120 minutes. I still don't know what the "4" represents at the beginning of the field, but I know it's not track type. The search continues...

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Good job John... HOPEFULLY, N2003 will allow us to be able to join N2003 > races directly via command line / like N3 and GPL. Then we won't need that > POS Sierra chat anymore. Geez, nothing worse than that stupid chat system > and not being able to alt-tab when in Opengl. > Whatever I find out I will be sharing with all whom appear to be interested. Like you, I can't stand that gawd-awful sierra chat system, nor the restrictive server matching stuff. However, I think the driver ratings/lpi are stored on a sierra server somewhere, and getting that info from their system would be illegal without first obtaining their permission. Chances are pretty good that we wouldn't be able to get their permission either. My reasons for wanting to know this stuff is so that the next version of DeMONS is more efficient: - if there's no drivers logged on by the time the warmup session starts, there's no reason for the server to continue running. - if the server admin only wants to run a practice session, the sim could be shut down at precisely the moment the practice session actually ends instead of guestimating like D2 does now. Since NR2K3 is gonna be the last version of NR from Papy, I expect the side of the community with programming expertise to step up and provide some truly killer apps and utilities to enable continued use of the sim long after Sierra forces Papyrus to abandon what is probably the single most devoted group of users the computer gaming industry has ever seen. I'm making a public appeal for Shane Warfel, Mike Baker, Nigel Pattinson, Tom Pabst, Dave Noonan, and anyone else that are so inclined to make secondary any desire for fame and/or fortune and just selflessly give to the community for the sake of that community. We could make this sim so much more than it is if we would all just work toward the common good...

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Does anyone know how to > > > > a) ping an NR2K2 server > > > > and > > > > b) decode what it sends back? > > > > ... snip ... > > > > 4P5400SQ2LP3600SR10L 4 = > > P5400S = > > Q2L = 2 qual laps? > > P3600S = > > R10L = > > > > R10L = the number of laps left in the race (or number of laps > originally scheduled). > > P5400S = the practice time - max is 90 minutes (5400 seconds), I > always thought the max was 120 minutes. > > P3600S = the warmup time - I think the max is 60 minutes, again I was > assuming that the max was 120 minutes. > > I still don't know what the "4" represents at the beginning of the > field, but I know it's not track type. > > The search continues... >

I believe the 4 represents the fact that there are 4 sessions (Practice, Qual, Warmup, Race) The "quick race" option only had 2 sessions (Practice, Race)

In article <iPDI9.1534$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I still don't know what the "4" represents at the beginning of the > > field, but I know it's not track type. > > > > The search continues... > > > > > I believe the 4 represents the fact that there are 4 sessions (Practice, > Qual, Warmup, Race) > > The "quick race" option only had 2 sessions (Practice, Race)

That makes sense, and I don't know if I would ever have thought of that. Actually, looking at the field now, I bet it's the number of data items contained in that string (there are four items - practice time, qual laps, warmup time, and race laps). Each field is bracketed by alphabetic characters. That sure is a weird way to do that though. A comma-delimited string would have made much more sense.

The ratings and LPI info is also actually stored in the replay files. That is how iracingfx.com get's their racer stat information. I would also like to see the ability to start/stop a session remotely John. Could you also make it so your program will just set up an "Open Server" that would be shut down/started at certain times? "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Good job John... HOPEFULLY, N2003 will allow us to be able to joinN2003 > > races directly via command line / like N3 and GPL. Then we won't needthat > > POS Sierra chat anymore. Geez, nothing worse than that stupid chatsystem

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> > and not being able to alt-tab when in Opengl. > > > > Whatever I find out I will be sharing with all whom appear to be > interested. Like you, I can't stand that gawd-awful sierra chat > system, nor the restrictive server matching stuff. > > However, I think the driver ratings/lpi are stored on a sierra server > somewhere, and getting that info from their system would be illegal > without first obtaining their permission. Chances are pretty good > that we wouldn't be able to get their permission either. > > My reasons for wanting to know this stuff is so that the next version > of DeMONS is more efficient: > > - if there's no drivers logged on by the time the > warmup session starts, there's no reason for the > server to continue running. > > - if the server admin only wants to run a practice > session, the sim could be shut down at precisely > the moment the practice session actually ends > instead of guestimating like D2 does now. > > Since NR2K3 is gonna be the last version of NR from Papy, I expect > the side of the community with programming expertise to step up and > provide some truly killer apps and utilities to enable continued use > of the sim long after Sierra forces Papyrus to abandon what is > probably the single most devoted group of users the computer gaming > industry has ever seen. > > I'm making a public appeal for Shane Warfel, Mike Baker, Nigel > Pattinson, Tom Pabst, Dave Noonan, and anyone else that are so > inclined to make secondary any desire for fame and/or fortune and > just selflessly give to the community for the sake of that community. > We could make this sim so much more than it is if we would all just > work toward the common good... >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> In article <iPDI9.1534$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > I still don't know what the "4" represents at the beginning of the > > > field, but I know it's not track type. > > > > > > The search continues... > > > > > > > > > I believe the 4 represents the fact that there are 4 sessions (Practice, > > Qual, Warmup, Race) > > > > The "quick race" option only had 2 sessions (Practice, Race) > > That makes sense, and I don't know if I would ever have thought of > that. Actually, looking at the field now, I bet it's the number of > data items contained in that string (there are four items - practice > time, qual laps, warmup time, and race laps). Each field is > bracketed by alphabetic characters. That sure is a weird way to do > that though. A comma-delimited string would have made much more > sense. >

The server pukes out info every 4 seconds to ip addy 255.255.255.255, and the field delimiter is hex 0x01 (^A). These are traits shared with GPL (imagine that). That seems fairly wasteful of cpu cycles and stack space. More info will follow as it is discovered, and I'm posting all of this stuff on the D3 web page sometime later today.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > The ratings and LPI info is also actually stored in the replay files. That > is how iracingfx.com get's their racer stat information. > > I would also like to see the ability to start/stop a session remotely John. Setup a race with an admin/boss password, and login as the admin. :) > Could you also make it so your program will just set up an "Open Server" > that would be shut down/started at certain times? DeMONS doesn't do (and will probably never do) open/setup servers. The whole point behind writing the proram is to allow people to create and run a schedule of races a) with no outside intervention, and b) without have to deal with Papy's commandline-from-hell.

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> The server pukes out info every 4 seconds to ip addy 255.255.255.255, > and the field delimiter is hex 0x01 (^A). These are traits shared > with GPL (imagine that). > > That seems fairly wasteful of cpu cycles and stack space. > > More info will follow as it is discovered, and I'm posting all of > this stuff on the D3 web page sometime later today.

That is most likely a network broadcast. Is it using netware's protocol to broadcast, or is it TCP/IP? Either way, it's a net broadcast for local lan racing. I have tools that will tell you exactly what's being broadcast, what protocol and to who, I can assist you if needed... Cheers! �� Jan Kohl �� ::: computer security consultant ::: the pits - http://www.theuspits.com castle graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com

> I'm making a public appeal for Shane Warfel, Mike Baker, Nigel > Pattinson, Tom Pabst, Dave Noonan, and anyone else that are so > inclined to make secondary any desire for fame and/or fortune and > just selflessly give to the community for the sake of that community. > We could make this sim so much more than it is if we would all just > work toward the common good... We're already planning that, John... :) Cheers! �� Jan Kohl �� ::: computer security consultant ::: the pits - http://www.theuspits.com castle graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com

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> > The server pukes out info every 4 seconds to ip addy 255.255.255.255, > > and the field delimiter is hex 0x01 (^A). These are traits shared > > with GPL (imagine that). > > > > That seems fairly wasteful of cpu cycles and stack space. > > > > More info will follow as it is discovered, and I'm posting all of > > this stuff on the D3 web page sometime later today. > > That is most likely a network broadcast. Is it using netware's protocol to broadcast, or > is it TCP/IP? Either way, it's a net broadcast for local lan racing. > > I have tools that will tell you exactly what's being broadcast, what protocol and to who, I can > assist you if needed...

I'm using a combination of programs to get this info. I just haven't seen anything that indicates a request for server status...

> > I have tools that will tell you exactly what's being broadcast, what protocol and to who, I can > > assist you if needed... > > I'm using a combination of programs to get this info. I just haven't > seen anything that indicates a request for server status... Shoot me an email, John. jkohl ATT nc DOTT rr DOTT com I've got a program that as long as you are on the local subnet it will tell you EVERYTHING that is being broadcast from any IP on that subnet, as well as the contents of each packet. You can then sort on "query" and "response" to determine who sent who what, when, and why... :) Cheers! �� Jan Kohl �� ::: computer security consultant ::: the pits - http://www.theuspits.com castle graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com

> I'm using a combination of programs to get this info. I just haven't > seen anything that indicates a request for server status... It won't. The server is "advertising" that it's hosting a race, that's why when you are on a local lan it can immediately (+/- 4 seconds) see a lan game being hosted. Cheers! Jan

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> > > I'm using a combination of programs to get this info. I just haven't > > > seen anything that indicates a request for server status... > > > > It won't. The server is "advertising" that it's hosting a race, that's why when you are on a local > > lan it can immediately (+/- 4 seconds) see a lan game being hosted. > > > > So all I have to do is listen on the right port, and I'll get the > info?

Yep. If you use Ethereal on the local lan after configuring the server, it *should* be providing the host race information in the broadcast packets... Cheers! Jan

> I've got a program that as long as you are on the local subnet it willtell you EVERYTHING that is being broadcast from any IP > �� Jan Kohl �� a home version of Carnivore Jan????? dave henrie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/02

In article <xiNI9.7752$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > I'm using a combination of programs to get this info. I just haven't > > seen anything that indicates a request for server status... > > It won't. The server is "advertising" that it's hosting a race, that's why when you are on a local > lan it can immediately (+/- 4 seconds) see a lan game being hosted. > So all I have to do is listen on the right port, and I'll get the info?

On Sun, 08 Dec 2002 21:33:57 GMT, Dave Henrie wrote:

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>> I've got a program that as long as you are on the local subnet it will > tell you EVERYTHING that is being broadcast from any IP > >> ￜￜ Jan Kohl ￜￜ > > a home version of Carnivore Jan????? > > dave henrie

He he, and Al Gore invented the internet, right? tcpdump is your friend (on Linux, that is ;-) cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61