GTR MOMO FF settings?

Does anybody have a .plr-file stanza covering moderate FF settings for the original MOMO? I'm not having much luck sorting thru onscure lines like: "FFB steer damper saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use for steering damper. Range: 0 - 1.0" --Steve Smith

I have the new MOMO and simply shut off (set to 0) the non-road related vibrations and turned the brake vibration down a lot. The rest feels fantastic as-is. I just don't like useless repetitious vibrations getting in the way of the real road/surface-based FFB. What's the problem with the FFB on your rig? Marc FFB steer vibe freq mult="0.00000" // Controls frequency of steering vibration. Recommended: 0.5 to 1.0, 0.0 disables steering vibration. FFB throttle vibe freq mult="0.00000" // Scales actual engine frequency to force FFB vibration frequency. Suggested range: 0.10 to 0.50 FFB brake vibe freq mult="0.30000" // Scales actual brake rotational frequency to force feedback vibration frequency. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mnMI9.16091$[email hidden]...

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> Does anybody have a .plr-file stanza covering moderate FF settings for the > original MOMO? I'm not having much luck sorting thru onscure lines like: > > "FFB steer damper saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use for > steering damper. Range: 0 - 1.0" > > --Steve Smith > >

Before you start tweaking away and possibly making things worse, have you tried just setting the slider to -50% or so and the effects strength to low or off? Those settings should give you a nice moderate level of FF with minimal or no vibration and other gee-whiz stuff. Also, FF seems to be affected by steering sensitivity, so make sure you have speed sensitivity off (in the controller rates menu) and x axis sensitivity at 50% (which is linear) with no deadspot. Even though you can do some really neat things by tweaking the player file, it's not necessary unless you are after some particularly obscure feeling that you think is missing. I really think the settings above ought to be good enough for 99% of the wheel users out there. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mnMI9.16091$[email hidden]... > Does anybody have a .plr-file stanza covering moderate FF settings forthe > original MOMO? I'm not having much luck sorting thru onscure lineslike:

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> > "FFB steer damper saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use for > steering damper. Range: 0 - 1.0" > > --Steve Smith > >

Ooops...forgot to say also that you have to have these two lines set to custom for the tweaks to work. FFB Device Type="2" // Type of FFB controller: 0=none 1=wheel, 2=stick/custom, 3=rumble pad. FFB Effects Level="5" // Number of FFB effects to use: 0=No Effects, 1=Low, 2=Medium, 3=High, 4=Full, 5=Custom. Marc "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UxNI9.169$[email hidden]...

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> I have the new MOMO and simply shut off (set to 0) the non-road related > vibrations > and turned the brake vibration down a lot. The rest feels > fantastic as-is. I just don't like useless repetitious vibrations getting > in the way of the real road/surface-based FFB. > > What's the problem with the FFB on your rig? > > Marc > > FFB steer vibe freq mult="0.00000" // Controls frequency of steering > vibration. Recommended: 0.5 to 1.0, 0.0 disables steering vibration. > > FFB throttle vibe freq mult="0.00000" // Scales actual engine frequency to > force FFB vibration frequency. Suggested range: 0.10 to 0.50 > > FFB brake vibe freq mult="0.30000" // Scales actual brake rotational > frequency to force feedback vibration frequency. > > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:mnMI9.16091$[email hidden]... > > Does anybody have a .plr-file stanza covering moderate FF settings for

the > > original MOMO? I'm not having much luck sorting thru onscure lineslike:

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> > > > "FFB steer damper saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use for > > steering damper. Range: 0 - 1.0" > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > > > >

By the way, Steve, I use -100% FFB and 50% on all axes with my tweaks above. And once you set the lines in the .PLR file to custom, you can't go back into the menu in the game or it will reset things. I didn't want to use a lower than full FFB setting in the game menu because I didn't know exactly what it was turning off and no one here could give me the specifics. Marc "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:at086u$uv52p$[email hidden]...

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> Before you start tweaking away and possibly making things worse, have > you tried just setting the slider to -50% or so and the effects strength > to low or off? Those settings should give you a nice moderate level of > FF with minimal or no vibration and other gee-whiz stuff. Also, FF > seems to be affected by steering sensitivity, so make sure you have > speed sensitivity off (in the controller rates menu) and x axis > sensitivity at 50% (which is linear) with no deadspot. Even though you > can do some really neat things by tweaking the player file, it's not > necessary unless you are after some particularly obscure feeling that > you think is missing. I really think the settings above ought to be > good enough for 99% of the wheel users out there. > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:mnMI9.16091$[email hidden]... > > Does anybody have a .plr-file stanza covering moderate FF settings for > the > > original MOMO? I'm not having much luck sorting thru onscure lines > like: > > > > "FFB steer damper saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use for > > steering damper. Range: 0 - 1.0" > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > >

I use Haqsau's basic settings and they're excellent. Sensitivity to 50%. FF effects to LOW. FF strength to -70%. Perfect "physics feel" with no annoying vibrations. -- Joe M. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mnMI9.16091$[email hidden]... > Does anybody have a .plr-file stanza covering moderate FF settings for the > original MOMO? I'm not having much luck sorting thru onscure lines like: > > "FFB steer damper saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use for > steering damper. Range: 0 - 1.0" > > --Steve Smith > >

Marc, No problem, per se, but I'm not getting much feedback from my FF, so to speak. For example, I turned on "jolt" and I can feel it when I wang the wall, but I get no kick from champagne, er, riding the curbs, er kerbs (the game *is* teddibly British, wot?). I have tried all the easy stuff from the menus (dead zone, sensitivity, linearity, etc.), and messed some with the text files (the "glance" hack is kewl), and by-and-large everything feels great (I particularly like the banging and jostling FX; I only wish it was counter-balanced, er, damped, with a virtual cockpit; that is, your head isn't on a pike in the cockpit, it bobs up and down a bit, somewhat smoothing out the ups and downs of the chassis). All in all, a fabulous mod; miles better than the original game. It's the first thing that's come along in 4 years (hint, hint) that I haven't been able to leave alone. Maybe I'd better quit before I need glasses.... --Steve "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UxNI9.169$[email hidden]...

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> I have the new MOMO and simply shut off (set to 0) the non-road related > vibrations > and turned the brake vibration down a lot. The rest feels > fantastic as-is. I just don't like useless repetitious vibrations getting > in the way of the real road/surface-based FFB. > > What's the problem with the FFB on your rig? > > Marc > > FFB steer vibe freq mult="0.00000" // Controls frequency of steering > vibration. Recommended: 0.5 to 1.0, 0.0 disables steering vibration. > > FFB throttle vibe freq mult="0.00000" // Scales actual engine frequency to > force FFB vibration frequency. Suggested range: 0.10 to 0.50 > > FFB brake vibe freq mult="0.30000" // Scales actual brake rotational > frequency to force feedback vibration frequency. > > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:mnMI9.16091$[email hidden]... > > Does anybody have a .plr-file stanza covering moderate FF settings for

the > > original MOMO? I'm not having much luck sorting thru onscure lineslike:

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> > > > "FFB steer damper saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use for > > steering damper. Range: 0 - 1.0" > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > > > >

I agree with the comparison to GPL. The FFB is as good as GPL's if your wheel and setting are configured properly, so don't give up. Try what I suggested (from all the messages) and let me know what the results are. Marc "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ygQI9.16686$[email hidden]... > Marc, > > No problem, per se, but I'm not getting much feedback from my FF, so to > speak. For example, I turned on "jolt" and I can feel it when I wang the > wall, but I get no kick from champagne, er, riding the curbs, er kerbs(the > game *is* teddibly British, wot?). > > I have tried all the easy stuff from the menus (dead zone, sensitivity, > linearity, etc.), and messed some with the text files (the "glance" hackis

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> kewl), and by-and-large everything feels great (I particularly like the > banging and jostling FX; I only wish it was counter-balanced, er, damped, > with a virtual cockpit; that is, your head isn't on a pike in the cockpit, > it bobs up and down a bit, somewhat smoothing out the ups and downs of the > chassis). > > All in all, a fabulous mod; miles better than the original game. It's the > first thing that's come along in 4 years (hint, hint) that I haven't been > able to leave alone. Maybe I'd better quit before I need glasses.... > > --Steve > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:UxNI9.169$[email hidden]... > > I have the new MOMO and simply shut off (set to 0) the non-road related > > vibrations > > and turned the brake vibration down a lot. The rest feels > > fantastic as-is. I just don't like useless repetitious vibrations

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> > in the way of the real road/surface-based FFB. > > > > What's the problem with the FFB on your rig? > > > > Marc > > > > FFB steer vibe freq mult="0.00000" // Controls frequency of steering > > vibration. Recommended: 0.5 to 1.0, 0.0 disables steering vibration. > > > > FFB throttle vibe freq mult="0.00000" // Scales actual engine frequency

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> > force FFB vibration frequency. Suggested range: 0.10 to 0.50 > > > > FFB brake vibe freq mult="0.30000" // Scales actual brake rotational > > frequency to force feedback vibration frequency. > > > > > > > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:mnMI9.16091$[email hidden]... > > > Does anybody have a .plr-file stanza covering moderate FF settings for > the > > > original MOMO? I'm not having much luck sorting thru onscure lines > like: > > > > > > "FFB steer damper saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use for > > > steering damper. Range: 0 - 1.0" > > > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Marc, Just kept fooling around until I hit on some stuff I liked (like overall force: -70). Great work by the SimBin Dev't Team, especially "our own" Doug Arnao, who was my good right arm writing the GPL strategy guide. He really knows his stuff! Now all we need is to get "our own" Alison Hine to fix the Net code. How about it, CobraAli? --Steve "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HwQI9.1322$[email hidden]...

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> I agree with the comparison to GPL. The FFB is as good as GPL's if your > wheel and setting are configured properly, so don't give up. > > Try what I suggested (from all the messages) and let me know what the > results are. > > Marc > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ygQI9.16686$[email hidden]... > > Marc, > > > > No problem, per se, but I'm not getting much feedback from my FF, so to > > speak. For example, I turned on "jolt" and I can feel it when I wang

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> > wall, but I get no kick from champagne, er, riding the curbs, er kerbs > (the > > game *is* teddibly British, wot?). > > > > I have tried all the easy stuff from the menus (dead zone, sensitivity, > > linearity, etc.), and messed some with the text files (the "glance" hack > is > > kewl), and by-and-large everything feels great (I particularly like the > > banging and jostling FX; I only wish it was counter-balanced, er,

damped, > > with a virtual cockpit; that is, your head isn't on a pike in thecockpit, > > it bobs up and down a bit, somewhat smoothing out the ups and downs ofthe > > chassis). > > > > All in all, a fabulous mod; miles better than the original game. It'sthe > > first thing that's come along in 4 years (hint, hint) that I haven'tbeen

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> > able to leave alone. Maybe I'd better quit before I need glasses.... > > > > --Steve > > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:UxNI9.169$[email hidden]... > > > I have the new MOMO and simply shut off (set to 0) the non-road

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> > > vibrations > > > and turned the brake vibration down a lot. The rest feels > > > fantastic as-is. I just don't like useless repetitious vibrations > getting > > > in the way of the real road/surface-based FFB. > > > > > > What's the problem with the FFB on your rig? > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > FFB steer vibe freq mult="0.00000" // Controls frequency of steering > > > vibration. Recommended: 0.5 to 1.0, 0.0 disables steering vibration. > > > > > > FFB throttle vibe freq mult="0.00000" // Scales actual engine

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> to > > > force FFB vibration frequency. Suggested range: 0.10 to 0.50 > > > > > > FFB brake vibe freq mult="0.30000" // Scales actual brake rotational > > > frequency to force feedback vibration frequency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:mnMI9.16091$[email hidden]... > > > > Does anybody have a .plr-file stanza covering moderate FF settings

for > > the > > > > original MOMO? I'm not having much luck sorting thru onscure lines > > like: > > > > > > > > "FFB steer damper saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to usefor

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> > > > steering damper. Range: 0 - 1.0" > > > > > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iURI9.17491$[email hidden]... > > Now all we need is to get "our own" Alison Hine to fix the Net code. How > about it, CobraAli? The West's used to talk of having Alison on board for assistance with the net code of WSC, but rumour had it that they never even spoke to her about it... Correct me if I'm wrong! - Dave

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iURI9.17491$[email hidden]... > Marc, > > Just kept fooling around until I hit on some stuff I liked (like overall > force: -70). Great work by the SimBin Dev't Team, especially "our own"Doug > Arnao, who was my good right arm writing the GPL strategy guide. Hereally > knows his stuff! > > Now all we need is to get "our own" Alison Hine to fix the Net code. How > about it, CobraAli? > > --Steve For what it's worth...I ran into Eagle Woman online at Valencia...Sorry about denting the Porche's fenders there EW.... dave henrie

Do you now have GPL-quality FFB? Marc "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iURI9.17491$[email hidden]... > Marc, > > Just kept fooling around until I hit on some stuff I liked (like overall > force: -70). Great work by the SimBin Dev't Team, especially "our own"Doug > Arnao, who was my good right arm writing the GPL strategy guide. Hereally

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> knows his stuff! > > Now all we need is to get "our own" Alison Hine to fix the Net code. How > about it, CobraAli? > > --Steve > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HwQI9.1322$[email hidden]... > > I agree with the comparison to GPL. The FFB is as good as GPL's if your > > wheel and setting are configured properly, so don't give up. > > > > Try what I suggested (from all the messages) and let me know what the > > results are. > > > > Marc > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ygQI9.16686$[email hidden]... > > > Marc, > > > > > > No problem, per se, but I'm not getting much feedback from my FF, so

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> > > speak. For example, I turned on "jolt" and I can feel it when I wang > the > > > wall, but I get no kick from champagne, er, riding the curbs, er kerbs > > (the > > > game *is* teddibly British, wot?). > > > > > > I have tried all the easy stuff from the menus (dead zone,

sensitivity, > > > linearity, etc.), and messed some with the text files (the "glance"hack > > is > > > kewl), and by-and-large everything feels great (I particularly likethe

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> > > banging and jostling FX; I only wish it was counter-balanced, er, > damped, > > > with a virtual cockpit; that is, your head isn't on a pike in the > cockpit, > > > it bobs up and down a bit, somewhat smoothing out the ups and downs of > the > > > chassis). > > > > > > All in all, a fabulous mod; miles better than the original game. It's > the > > > first thing that's come along in 4 years (hint, hint) that I haven't > been > > > able to leave alone. Maybe I'd better quit before I need glasses.... > > > > > > --Steve > > > > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:UxNI9.169$[email hidden]... > > > > I have the new MOMO and simply shut off (set to 0) the non-road > related > > > > vibrations > > > > and turned the brake vibration down a lot. The rest feels > > > > fantastic as-is. I just don't like useless repetitious vibrations > > getting > > > > in the way of the real road/surface-based FFB. > > > > > > > > What's the problem with the FFB on your rig? > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > FFB steer vibe freq mult="0.00000" // Controls frequency of steering > > > > vibration. Recommended: 0.5 to 1.0, 0.0 disables steering vibration. > > > > > > > > FFB throttle vibe freq mult="0.00000" // Scales actual engine > frequency > > to > > > > force FFB vibration frequency. Suggested range: 0.10 to 0.50 > > > > > > > > FFB brake vibe freq mult="0.30000" // Scales actual brake rotational > > > > frequency to force feedback vibration frequency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:mnMI9.16091$[email hidden]... > > > > > Does anybody have a .plr-file stanza covering moderate FF settings > for > > > the > > > > > original MOMO? I'm not having much luck sorting thru onscure

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> > > like: > > > > > > > > > > "FFB steer damper saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use > for > > > > > steering damper. Range: 0 - 1.0" > > > > > > > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rzNI9.171$[email hidden]... > Ooops...forgot to say also that you have to have these two lines set to > custom for the tweaks to work. > > FFB Device Type="2" // Type of FFB controller: 0=none 1=wheel, > 2=stick/custom, 3=rumble pad. > FFB Effects Level="5" // Number of FFB effects to use: 0=No Effects,1=Low, > 2=Medium, 3=High, 4=Full, 5=Custom. These two posts have got my FF to near-GPL levels (maybe 75%) but not quite. A little more tweaking for me and it'll be almost there. Dale.

Don't tell me! Tell her! "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2NSI9.286167$QZ.43761@sccrnsc02...

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> > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:iURI9.17491$[email hidden]... > > Marc, > > > > Just kept fooling around until I hit on some stuff I liked (like overall > > force: -70). Great work by the SimBin Dev't Team, especially "our own" > Doug > > Arnao, who was my good right arm writing the GPL strategy guide. He > really > > knows his stuff! > > > > Now all we need is to get "our own" Alison Hine to fix the Net code.

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> > about it, CobraAli? > > > > --Steve > For what it's worth...I ran into Eagle Woman online at Valencia...Sorry > about denting the Porche's fenders there EW.... > dave henrie > >

Marc, Sorry, meant to say -60 or -55. I don't like a lot of FF. GPL had pretty good FF for its day (back in a pre-Jurassic 1998), but there have been much better implementations since then...including Papy's endless iterations of NASCAR Racing and F12002/GTR2002. To me, the biggest improvement over GPL (other than the tire modeling, which has come even further than FF), is the modeling of small, high-frequency bumps (GPL has only large undulations), and the shock settings to deal with them. It seems insanely realistic to have the car jiggling vertically in all the right places; just like "In-Car 956." Speaking of which, I say a prayer every night that the SimBin Dev't Team's next project will be to model: 1. The heyday of GTP racing (Porsche 956, Sauber C9/C11, Jaguar XJR-12, Mazda 757B, etc.), or 2. The F1 "Turbo Era" (the mid-80s), or, most of all 3. The early, innovative years of the Can-Am ('66-'68) with all the disparate attempts to create the perfect car: the tried-and-true Lola, the first winged Chaparral, the tiny but ferocious Shadow, the hulking Honker, the giant-killer 908, the double-de Dion Caldwell, the ultimate Ferrari 612, etc. Any of these projects would bring us back to the time when tracks were daunting monsters, not Mickey Mouse "technical" tracks like Sepang. BTW, where the hell's the Corvette C5R? --Steve "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VOVI9.2475$[email hidden]...

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> Do you now have GPL-quality FFB? > > Marc > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:iURI9.17491$[email hidden]... > > Marc, > > > > Just kept fooling around until I hit on some stuff I liked (like overall > > force: -70). Great work by the SimBin Dev't Team, especially "our own" > Doug > > Arnao, who was my good right arm writing the GPL strategy guide. He > really > > knows his stuff! > > > > Now all we need is to get "our own" Alison Hine to fix the Net code.

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> > about it, CobraAli? > > > > --Steve > > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:HwQI9.1322$[email hidden]... > > > I agree with the comparison to GPL. The FFB is as good as GPL's if

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> > > wheel and setting are configured properly, so don't give up. > > > > > > Try what I suggested (from all the messages) and let me know what the > > > results are. > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:ygQI9.16686$[email hidden]... > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > No problem, per se, but I'm not getting much feedback from my FF, so > to > > > > speak. For example, I turned on "jolt" and I can feel it when I

wang > > the > > > > wall, but I get no kick from champagne, er, riding the curbs, erkerbs

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> > > (the > > > > game *is* teddibly British, wot?). > > > > > > > > I have tried all the easy stuff from the menus (dead zone, > sensitivity, > > > > linearity, etc.), and messed some with the text files (the "glance" > hack > > > is > > > > kewl), and by-and-large everything feels great (I particularly like > the > > > > banging and jostling FX; I only wish it was counter-balanced, er, > > damped, > > > > with a virtual cockpit; that is, your head isn't on a pike in the > > cockpit, > > > > it bobs up and down a bit, somewhat smoothing out the ups and downs

of > > the > > > > chassis). > > > > > > > > All in all, a fabulous mod; miles better than the original game.It's > > the > > > > first thing that's come along in 4 years (hint, hint) that I haven't > > been > > > > able to leave alone. Maybe I'd better quit before I needglasses....

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> > > > > > > > --Steve > > > > > > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:UxNI9.169$[email hidden]... > > > > > I have the new MOMO and simply shut off (set to 0) the non-road > > related > > > > > vibrations > > > > > and turned the brake vibration down a lot. The rest feels > > > > > fantastic as-is. I just don't like useless repetitious vibrations > > > getting > > > > > in the way of the real road/surface-based FFB. > > > > > > > > > > What's the problem with the FFB on your rig? > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > FFB steer vibe freq mult="0.00000" // Controls frequency of

steering > > > > > vibration. Recommended: 0.5 to 1.0, 0.0 disables steeringvibration.

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> > > > > > > > > > FFB throttle vibe freq mult="0.00000" // Scales actual engine > > frequency > > > to > > > > > force FFB vibration frequency. Suggested range: 0.10 to 0.50 > > > > > > > > > > FFB brake vibe freq mult="0.30000" // Scales actual brake

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> > for > > > > the > > > > > > original MOMO? I'm not having much luck sorting thru onscure > lines > > > > like: > > > > > > > > > > > > "FFB steer damper saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to

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On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 12:11:27 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote something like this: >BTW, where the hell's the Corvette C5R? I don't know where it is, but I know it shouldn't be in this mod... they don't run the C5R in FIA GT series ;-) -- - Igor -

"Steve Smith" < > Speaking of which, I say a prayer every night that the SimBin Dev't Team's > next project will be to model: > > 1. The heyday of GTP racing (Porsche 956, Sauber C9/C11, Jaguar XJR-12, > Mazda 757B, etc.), or The Virtua LeMans guys have already done that for F1 2k1. It's called the 3.5Litre Group C mod. They also have done a LeMans 99 with Toyota/Bmw and some new company to Endurance racing, Audi. http://virtua-lm.racesimcentral.com/ > > 2. The F1 "Turbo Era" (the mid-80s), or, most of all THere are several historic F1 mods for 2k2 already in progress. Thrasher is working on an 80's era and SIMBIN...yes those guys...are planning on a 79 era mod(the black JPS Lotus and the noseless Ferrari's). And I think recently somebody wanted to mod up the mid 90's to display the Williams team at their peak. the High Gear forums are flooded with WIP shotsl > > 3. The early, innovative years of the Can-Am ('66-'68) with all the > disparate attempts to create the perfect car: the tried-and-true Lola, the > first winged Chaparral, the tiny but ferocious Shadow, the hulking Honker, > the giant-killer 908, the double-de Dion Caldwell, the ultimate Ferrari612, > etc. THAT is a must have. High Winged sports cars with open displacement engines. Of course after 5 minutes the field will all choose the Porche 917x so maybe that one could be accidentally ignored. :)

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> > Any of these projects would bring us back to the time when tracks were > daunting monsters, not Mickey Mouse "technical" tracks like Sepang. > > BTW, where the hell's the Corvette C5R? > > --Steve

ack! the Yellow Scourge, the Yellow Menace. The yellow car that is built outside of GTS rules and then whines when the Saleen does the same.!!! :) If you want to see Ron Fellows and company, the SSM mod...now renamed LeMans 2k2 is the place for you. And for F1 2k1 there is the RSDG SportsCarPak. (SCP) The 'reason' there is no C5 in the GTR mod, is that the Corvette team does not participate in the European FIA series which is what GTR mimics. The team plans, from what I've read, to include some extra cars that ran the SPA 24hour race but that was an FIA event. A quadruple points event that led to the triumph of the Viper over the faster but more fragile Ferraris for the season and driver championships. here endeth the lesson. :) dave henrie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/02

Dave, The 3.5Litre Group C mod doesn't sound like the era I lust after, if they're doing Le Mans 1999. I long for the days when the Mulsanne Straight was just that, not a dizzying series of chicanes, and the blatty Mazda rotary (an IMSA invitee, if memory serves) could be heard all the way to Marseilles. Black Lotii and rhinoplastied Ferraris sound great; sign me up. Maybe the C5R doesn't run in the same class as GTR's bolides, but it runs in the same races (Le Mans, Daytona...come to think: where's Daytona?). All I know is what I see on TV. I'd be happy to see the cheater Saleen, too, or even the double-ugly Panoz roadsters, anything but that pig of a Marcos. (Let me see if I got this straight: the Corvette isn't a production car but the Marcos and the Lister are?) As I indicated, to avoid getting buried by Penske's Panzers (or the Bruce & Denny Show), a Can-Am mod would be better served by leaving these cars on the trailer (or in the virtual transporter). The Can-Am was a great series before first the McLaren M8Bs (I'd guess I'd have to allow the non-winged version) and then Donohue's 917K flattened the opposition (I guess I'd allow the earlier 917 coupes, too). But I draw the line at the Chaparral "sucker" car. Hell, I'd be happy with Ford GT40s, Chaparral 2Ds, Porsche Flunders, and Ferrari 330Ps! --Steve "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:x12J9.295978$QZ.43605@sccrnsc02... > > "Steve Smith" < > > > Speaking of which, I say a prayer every night that the SimBin Dev'tTeam's

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> > next project will be to model: > > > > 1. The heyday of GTP racing (Porsche 956, Sauber C9/C11, Jaguar XJR-12, > > Mazda 757B, etc.), or > > The Virtua LeMans guys have already done that for F1 2k1. It's > called the 3.5Litre Group C mod. They also have done a LeMans 99 with > Toyota/Bmw and some new company to Endurance racing, Audi. > http://virtua-lm.racesimcentral.com/ > > > > > 2. The F1 "Turbo Era" (the mid-80s), or, most of all > > THere are several historic F1 mods for 2k2 already in progress.

Thrasher > is working on an 80's era and SIMBIN...yes those guys...are planning on a79 > era mod(the black JPS Lotus and the noseless Ferrari's). And I think > recently somebody wanted to mod up the mid 90's to display the Williamsteam > at their peak. > > the High Gear forums are flooded with WIP shotsl > > > > 3. The early, innovative years of the Can-Am ('66-'68) with all the > > disparate attempts to create the perfect car: the tried-and-true Lola,the > > first winged Chaparral, the tiny but ferocious Shadow, the hulkingHonker,

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> > the giant-killer 908, the double-de Dion Caldwell, the ultimate Ferrari > 612, > > etc. > > THAT is a must have. High Winged sports cars with open displacement > engines. Of course after 5 minutes the field will all choose the Porche > 917x so maybe that one could be accidentally ignored. :) > > > > > Any of these projects would bring us back to the time when tracks were > > daunting monsters, not Mickey Mouse "technical" tracks like Sepang. > > > > BTW, where the hell's the Corvette C5R? > > > > --Steve > ack! the Yellow Scourge, the Yellow Menace. The yellow car that is > built outside of GTS rules and then whines when the Saleen does the

same.!!! > :) If you want to see Ron Fellows and company, the SSM mod...now renamed > LeMans 2k2 is the place for you. And for F1 2k1 there is the RSDG > SportsCarPak. (SCP) > The 'reason' there is no C5 in the GTR mod, is that the Corvette team > does not participate in the European FIA series which is what GTR mimics. > The team plans, from what I've read, to include some extra cars that ranthe

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> SPA 24hour race but that was an FIA event. A quadruple points event that > led to the triumph of the Viper over the faster but more fragile Ferraris > for the season and driver championships. > here endeth the lesson. :) > dave henrie > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/02 > >

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:No5J9.21351$[email hidden]... > Dave, > > The 3.5Litre Group C mod doesn't sound like the era I lust after, ifthey're > doing Le Mans 1999. I long for the days when the Mulsanne Straight wasjust > that, not a dizzying series of chicanes, and the blatty Mazda rotary (an > IMSA invitee, if memory serves) could be heard all the way to Marseilles. The LM 99 mod is separate from the 3.5l Group C. Which has Mazdas/PoohJoes/PurpleJags/Merceds/&red Toyotas. drivers like Eddie Irvine, some kid named Villenueve. Another no-name Schumacher. > > Black Lotii and rhinoplastied Ferraris sound great; sign me up. > > Maybe the C5R doesn't run in the same class as GTR's bolides, but it runsin > the same races (Le Mans, Daytona...come to think: where's Daytona?). AllI > know is what I see on TV. I'd be happy to see the cheater Saleen, too, or > even the double-ugly Panoz roadsters, anything but that pig of a Marcos. > (Let me see if I got this straight: the Corvette isn't a production carbut > the Marcos and the Lister are?) YEROPEEON Steve....This is the FIA GT series. NOT alms or even LeMans. Although many of the cars do race there. The C5R(or GTP as we like to call it) is IN the same class as these cars...money can buy you anything...but the Vette ONLY goes to Europe once a year for LeMans. So, since the modders are building a mod based on the FIA GT SERIES then the vette(note no-caps) doesn't make the roster. If Pratt & Whitne...err Pratt & Miller want to Pony up the Euros and campaign a full season over there, THEN you might convince the SIMBIN crew to include the Canadien Rocket. Can't you run down to your corner dealer and buy a Marcos or Lister? Gosh if you couldn't...wouldn't that be...wrong....kinda like driving while hanging onto the roof? (dang! slamming everyone today!) > > As I indicated, to avoid getting buried by Penske's Panzers (or the Bruce& > Denny Show), a Can-Am mod would be better served by leaving these cars on > the trailer (or in the virtual transporter). The Can-Am was a greatseries > before first the McLaren M8Bs (I'd guess I'd have to allow the non-winged > version) and then Donohue's 917K flattened the opposition (I guess I'dallow > the earlier 917 coupes, too). But I draw the line at the Chaparral"sucker" > car. Wouldn't it be fun to drive..??? probably just port over the current F1 physics for downforce. > > Hell, I'd be happy with Ford GT40s, Chaparral 2Ds, Porsche Flunders, and > Ferrari 330Ps! > > --Steve > My very first Gas Powered car was a Chaparral 2c. Open top, floppy wing, Everytime I saw the BMW LMR I thought of that old CHappy. Hey...did ya see Ford can't sell the GT 40? they don't own the rights to the name...it will be the GT. Whooooo dave henrie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/02