TSW Owners with F1 2002 Configuration Wanted

Controller won't set in F12002 or GTR mod. I failed to check out F1 2002 before adding the GTR mod. When trying to configure the TSW Split Axis Controller in F1, turning the wheel does not set the steering. I think I'm going to have to re-install F1 and the mod. But I desperately need to know how a successful TSW operator sets his configuration in the plr file. The TSW sets fine in Win2000 and in GPL(generic driver) , and I'm afraid to use DXTweak for fear it will booger the controller for GPL. True? Any other critical settings would also be appreciated. Thanks very much for the suggestions received so far. I've tried most all of them. Frame rate is super slow, too. Sam Portland OR USA System is: CPU Intel Pentium 4 2.3 GHz System RAM: 248 MB DirectX Version: 4.08.01.0881 Video Card: Intel(R) 82845G/GL Graphics Controller (on the motherboard) Video RAM: 24 MBytes Full Triangle Rate: 3.8 MTri/sec High Triangle Rate: 4.1 MTri/sec Medium Triangle Rate: 4.1 MTri/sec Minimum Triangle Rate: N/A

I'm running win98se, and I use a TWS2 wheel in split axis mode. When I calibrated my wheel in both F1 2002 and GTR 2002, you have to be very quick to turn your wheel inorder for it to be accepted. You will know that it works correctly when you can see the red scale move in both directions. Same goes for the accel,brake, and up/down shifts. Joel Willstein -- "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a corner till the time you brake for the next turn , then you have enough horsepower." Mark Donohue "Samuel Senior" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Controller won't set in F12002 or GTR mod. > I failed to check out F1 2002 before adding the GTR mod. When trying > to configure the TSW Split Axis Controller in F1, turning the wheel > does not set the steering. I think I'm going to have to re-install F1 > and the mod. But I desperately need to know how a successful TSW > operator sets his configuration in the plr file. The TSW sets fine in > Win2000 and in GPL(generic driver) , and I'm afraid to use DXTweak for > fear it will booger the controller for GPL. True? Any other critical > settings would also be appreciated. Thanks very much for the > suggestions received so far. I've tried most all of them. Frame rate > is super slow, too. > Sam Portland OR USA > > System is: > CPU Intel Pentium 4 2.3 GHz > System RAM: 248 MB > DirectX Version: 4.08.01.0881 > Video Card: Intel(R) 82845G/GL Graphics Controller > (on the motherboard) > Video RAM: 24 MBytes > Full Triangle Rate: 3.8 MTri/sec > High Triangle Rate: 4.1 MTri/sec > Medium Triangle Rate: 4.1 MTri/sec > Minimum Triangle Rate: N/A >

Same thing for me with an ECCI. Almost need to slightly hold the wheel to the left, then click on left configuration, then so the same thing for the right. Bob "Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CSwJ9.46654$[email hidden]... > I'm running win98se, and I use a TWS2 wheel in split axis mode. WhenI > calibrated my wheel in both F1 2002 and GTR 2002, you have to be veryquick > to turn your wheel inorder for it to be accepted. You will know that it > works correctly when you can see the red scale move in both directions.Same

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> goes for the accel,brake, and up/down shifts. > > Joel Willstein > > -- > > > "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a

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> till the time you brake for the next turn > , then you have enough horsepower." > Mark Donohue > > > "Samuel Senior" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Controller won't set in F12002 or GTR mod. > > I failed to check out F1 2002 before adding the GTR mod. When trying > > to configure the TSW Split Axis Controller in F1, turning the wheel > > does not set the steering. I think I'm going to have to re-install F1 > > and the mod. But I desperately need to know how a successful TSW > > operator sets his configuration in the plr file. The TSW sets fine in > > Win2000 and in GPL(generic driver) , and I'm afraid to use DXTweak for > > fear it will booger the controller for GPL. True? Any other critical > > settings would also be appreciated. Thanks very much for the > > suggestions received so far. I've tried most all of them. Frame rate > > is super slow, too. > > Sam Portland OR USA > > > > System is: > > CPU Intel Pentium 4 2.3 GHz > > System RAM: 248 MB > > DirectX Version: 4.08.01.0881 > > Video Card: Intel(R) 82845G/GL Graphics Controller > > (on the motherboard) > > Video RAM: 24 MBytes > > Full Triangle Rate: 3.8 MTri/sec > > High Triangle Rate: 4.1 MTri/sec > > Medium Triangle Rate: 4.1 MTri/sec > > Minimum Triangle Rate: N/A > > > >

On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:32:19 GMT, Bob G wrote: > Same thing for me with an ECCI. Almost need to slightly hold the wheel to > the left, then click on left configuration, then so the same thing for the > right. > > Bob Hi Sam, I can send you my .plr file later today. For some reason it works in f1 2002, but in gtr2002 I had jittering on the brake axis until I copied over the "axis" lines from my f1 2002 plr file to the one used in gtr2002. Sorry I cannot be of more help, but I'm at work right now and won't get to my windows gaming box until this evening... please note however that my wheel has a modified axis setup to make it work in f1 2001 (thinking about that I might revert to the old setup). the change is quite easily made and outlined (with pics) on my racing page at http://www.schuerkamp.de/zope/hoover/racing/ Cheers, Uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Samuel Senior <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> Controller won't set in F12002 or GTR mod. > I failed to check out F1 2002 before adding the GTR mod. When trying > to configure the TSW Split Axis Controller in F1, turning the wheel > does not set the steering. I think I'm going to have to re-install F1 > and the mod. But I desperately need to know how a successful TSW > operator sets his configuration in the plr file. The TSW sets fine in > Win2000 and in GPL(generic driver) , and I'm afraid to use DXTweak for > fear it will booger the controller for GPL. True? Any other critical > settings would also be appreciated. Thanks very much for the > suggestions received so far. I've tried most all of them. Frame rate > is super slow, too. > Sam Portland OR USA > > System is: > CPU Intel Pentium 4 2.3 GHz > System RAM: 248 MB > DirectX Version: 4.08.01.0881 > Video Card: Intel(R) 82845G/GL Graphics Controller > (on the motherboard) > Video RAM: 24 MBytes > Full Triangle Rate: 3.8 MTri/sec > High Triangle Rate: 4.1 MTri/sec > Medium Triangle Rate: 4.1 MTri/sec > Minimum Triangle Rate: N/A

You have a P4 2.3G cpu, 248 mb ram (248???), have a TSW but still are using a 24mb mobo video chip? No wonder your fps is so slow. I am surprised the game starts at all. Drop a $100-150 and get a nice Geforce 4 4200 with 128mb of ram and you'll see a differnce of epic proportions. Lawman

Yeah assigning Split axis controller is kind of tricky you have to step on the pedals a few times in order to get it right... (Y-) for accelaration And (RZ -) for brakes it takes. Your Tri - Rate is Wayyyyy to low! You need something in the 12.5-15 at least. I have what 28.2 -30? =[O-)] D. "Samuel Senior" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Controller won't set in F12002 or GTR mod. > I failed to check out F1 2002 before adding the GTR mod. When trying > to configure the TSW Split Axis Controller in F1, turning the wheel > does not set the steering. I think I'm going to have to re-install F1 > and the mod. But I desperately need to know how a successful TSW > operator sets his configuration in the plr file. The TSW sets fine in > Win2000 and in GPL(generic driver) , and I'm afraid to use DXTweak for > fear it will booger the controller for GPL. True? Any other critical > settings would also be appreciated. Thanks very much for the > suggestions received so far. I've tried most all of them. Frame rate > is super slow, too. > Sam Portland OR USA > > System is: > CPU Intel Pentium 4 2.3 GHz > System RAM: 248 MB > DirectX Version: 4.08.01.0881 > Video Card: Intel(R) 82845G/GL Graphics Controller > (on the motherboard) > Video RAM: 24 MBytes > Full Triangle Rate: 3.8 MTri/sec > High Triangle Rate: 4.1 MTri/sec > Medium Triangle Rate: 4.1 MTri/sec > Minimum Triangle Rate: N/A >

> Your Tri - Rate is Wayyyyy to low! You need something in the 12.5-15 at > least. > > I have what 28.2 -30? Yeah, I doubt that F1 2002 would even be playable on a Intel 845G - even if you had a 3GHz CPU. I'm actually surprised that GPL runs. They're simply not designed for gaming. Period.

>>>>> "Damien" == Damien Smith <[email hidden]> writes: Damien> Yeah, I doubt that F1 2002 would even be playable on a Intel Damien> 845G - even if you had a 3GHz CPU. I'm actually surprised Damien> that GPL runs. They're simply not designed for gaming. Damien> Period. Well, here's a clue for you: GPL works quite adequately. Here's another clue: if it didn't, there is this gaping AGP slot sitting patiently, standing by for when it _might_ be called into service. And here's one more: every six months that passes, the latest-and-greatest gets even greater and yesterday's latest-and-greatest gets about twice as cheap. Bottom line: no cash, works great. Period. PS: none of this is relevant to the question asked. -- Russell Senior ``I've seen every kind of critter God ever made, [email hidden] and I ain't never seen a meaner, lower, more stinkin' yellow hypocrite than you!'' -- Burl Ives as Rufus Hennessy

Russell Senior <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > > "PS: none of this is relevant to the question asked." Hey, ass clown....how about this line from the ORIGINAL poster? "Frame rate is super slow, too." Sam Portland OR USA Guess the responses were REALLY relevant after all. Lawman

On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:37:20 GMT, Samuel Senior <[email hidden]> wrote: Some success! Finally got the TSW steering to turn both ways! It was an issue with the Control Panel calibration, which had gone boogers. Strange, since GPL continued to operate normally. We re-installed F1 2002, and were able to steer around the track, at a fps of 3. No use upgrading video yet, as other switches in the game calibration are not working. Tracks in F1 take from 3 to 6 minutes to load. Seems strange.Until some kind of fix comes out, I'm back to GPL. Thanks for all the suggestions received. This is a stupendously helpful group!

"Samuel Senior" Tracks in F1 take from 3 to 6 minutes to load. Seems > strange.Until some kind of fix comes out, I'm back to GPL. Thanks for > all the suggestions received. This is a stupendously helpful group! > If you have 7200 rpm hard drives, the tracks should probably load in less than a minute. With the mods, especially ones like GTR or the SCP mod for F1 2001, you can have 30 or more cars and this really add to the loading time. Try reducing the number of cars in the field and see if that doesn't speed things. up. You have to change the config.ini file for the mod and there are 4 lines in your .plr file inside the save folder. All should match. dave henrie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/02

In case you're still interested in TSW (well, I have a TSW2, but it's probably the same) settings for F1 2002, this goes into your .plr file (and by the way, I can only get it to work in Win98 - not in XP): [ Controls ] Keyboard Steering="0.20000" Keyboard Throttle="0.50000" Keyboard Brake="0.50000" Keyboard Clutch="0.20000" Force Feedback="0" Mimic Steering="1" // Mimic AI or pitlane assistance with force feedback Use RS Shifter="0" Alternate Rearlook Activation="1" // if left look and right look are both pressed, rearlook becomes activated Axis [00, 00] Dead Zone="0.01887" Axis [00, 00] Sensitivity="0.20283" Axis [00, 00] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [00, 01] Dead Zone="0.01415" Axis [00, 01] Sensitivity="0.00000" Axis [00, 01] Center="1.00000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [00, 02] Dead Zone="1.00000" Axis [00, 02] Sensitivity="0.92453" Axis [00, 02] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [00, 03] Dead Zone="1.00000" Axis [00, 03] Sensitivity="1.00000" Axis [00, 03] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [00, 04] Dead Zone="1.00000" Axis [00, 04] Sensitivity="1.00000" Axis [00, 04] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [00, 05] Dead Zone="0.00000" Axis [00, 05] Sensitivity="0.00000" Axis [00, 05] Center="0.00000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [00, 06] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [00, 06] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [00, 06] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [00, 07] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [00, 07] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [00, 07] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [01, 00] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [01, 00] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [01, 00] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [01, 01] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [01, 01] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [01, 01] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [01, 02] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [01, 02] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [01, 02] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [01, 03] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [01, 03] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [01, 03] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [01, 04] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [01, 04] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [01, 04] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [01, 05] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [01, 05] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [01, 05] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [01, 06] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [01, 06] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [01, 06] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [01, 07] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [01, 07] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [01, 07] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Control - Accelerate="(1, 4)" Control - Brake="(1, 11)" Control - Steer Left="(1, 2)" Control - Steer Right="(1, 1)" Control - Shift Up="(1, 13)" Control - Shift Down="(1, 14)" Control - Clutch In="(0, 16)" Control - Display Mode="(0, 28)" Control - Pit Request="(0, 31)" Control - Pit Menu Up="(0, 200)" Control - Pit Menu Down="(0, 208)" Control - Pit Menu Inc="(0, 205)" Control - Pit Menu Dec="(0, 203)" Control - TCOverride="(0, 24)" Control - Launch Control="(0, 53)" Control - Speed Limiter="(0, 38)" Control - Bias Forward="(0, 26)" Control - Bias Rearward="(0, 27)" Control - Look Left="(1, 15)" Control - Look Right="(1, 16)" Control - Rear Look="(0, 48)" Control - Instant Replay="(0, 19)" Control - Pause="(0, 25)" Control - Restart Race="(0, 21)" "Samuel Senior" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Controller won't set in F12002 or GTR mod. > I failed to check out F1 2002 before adding the GTR mod. When trying > to configure the TSW Split Axis Controller in F1, turning the wheel > does not set the steering. I think I'm going to have to re-install F1 > and the mod. But I desperately need to know how a successful TSW > operator sets his configuration in the plr file. The TSW sets fine in > Win2000 and in GPL(generic driver) , and I'm afraid to use DXTweak for > fear it will booger the controller for GPL. True? Any other critical > settings would also be appreciated. Thanks very much for the > suggestions received so far. I've tried most all of them. Frame rate > is super slow, too. > Sam Portland OR USA > > System is: > CPU Intel Pentium 4 2.3 GHz > System RAM: 248 MB > DirectX Version: 4.08.01.0881 > Video Card: Intel(R) 82845G/GL Graphics Controller > (on the motherboard) > Video RAM: 24 MBytes > Full Triangle Rate: 3.8 MTri/sec > High Triangle Rate: 4.1 MTri/sec > Medium Triangle Rate: 4.1 MTri/sec > Minimum Triangle Rate: N/A >

On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 21:22:01 +0100, "Steen Kjems Toudal" <[email hidden]> wrote: >In case you're still interested in TSW (well, I have a TSW2, but it's >probably the same) settings for F1 2002, this goes into your .plr file (and >by the way, I can only get it to work in Win98 - not in XP): Thanks. I entered all these values, by copy and paste. There seems to be some improvement, but the response to controls is still spotty. I'm running Win2000, which I think is based on XP.It seems to be "stuck" in automatic shift mode, and I can't find any place to turn that off. It may be that many of my problems are due to the snail pace of the video card, about 3 fps. I have put in an order for a NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti4600. Let's see what that does. My old card was OK for GPL, all I ever had to turn off was mirrors, but this new stuff sucks pixels like a vacuum cleaner. My processor is plenty fast. Is there some screen that allows you to turn off auto shifting? Sam

On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 21:22:01 +0100, Steen Kjems Toudal wrote: > In case you're still interested in TSW (well, I have a TSW2, but it's > probably the same) settings for F1 2002, this goes into your .plr file (and > by the way, I can only get it to work in Win98 - not in XP): > Here's the same info from my .plr file, for use with a modified TSW (with the three axis hack for f1 2001 applied): Axis [00, 00] Dead Zone="0.03302" Axis [00, 00] Sensitivity="0.69811" Axis [00, 00] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [00, 01] Dead Zone="0.00000" Axis [00, 01] Sensitivity="0.69811" Axis [00, 01] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [00, 02] Dead Zone="0.00000" Axis [00, 02] Sensitivity="0.69811" Axis [00, 02] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [00, 03] Dead Zone="0.00000" Axis [00, 03] Sensitivity="0.70283" Axis [00, 03] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [00, 04] Dead Zone="0.00000" Axis [00, 04] Sensitivity="0.69811" Axis [00, 04] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [00, 05] Dead Zone="0.00000" Axis [00, 05] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [00, 05] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [00, 06] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [00, 06] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [00, 06] Center="1.00000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [00, 07] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [00, 07] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [00, 07] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [01, 00] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [01, 00] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [01, 00] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [01, 01] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [01, 01] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [01, 01] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [01, 02] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [01, 02] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [01, 02] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [01, 03] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [01, 03] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [01, 03] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [01, 04] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [01, 04] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [01, 04] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [01, 05] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [01, 05] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [01, 05] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [01, 06] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [01, 06] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [01, 06] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Axis [01, 07] Dead Zone="0.05000" Axis [01, 07] Sensitivity="0.50000" Axis [01, 07] Center="0.50000" // 0.0=min, 0.5=center, 1.0=max (use to correct centering or split-axis issues) Control - Accelerate="(1, 4)" Control - Brake="(1, 11)" Control - Steer Left="(1, 2)" Control - Steer Right="(1, 1)" Control - Shift Up="(1, 16)" Control - Shift Down="(1, 15)" Control - Clutch In="(0, 89)" Control - Display Mode="(1, 14)" Control - Pit Request="(0, 31)" Control - Pit Menu Up="(0, 200)" Control - Pit Menu Down="(0, 208)" Control - Pit Menu Inc="(0, 205)" Control - Pit Menu Dec="(0, 203)" Control - TCOverride="(0, 24)" Control - Launch Control="(0, 53)" Control - Speed Limiter="(1, 13)" Control - Bias Forward="(0, 26)" Control - Bias Rearward="(0, 27)" Control - Look Left="(0, 47)" Control - Look Right="(0, 49)" Control - Rear Look="(0, 48)" Control - Instant Replay="(0, 19)" Control - Pause="(0, 25)" Control - Restart Race="(0, 21)" Cheers & HTH, Uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:01:29 +0100, Uwe Schuerkamp <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 21:22:01 +0100, Steen Kjems Toudal wrote: >> In case you're still interested in TSW (well, I have a TSW2, but it's >> probably the same) settings for F1 2002, this goes into your .plr file (and >> by the way, I can only get it to work in Win98 - not in XP): >> > >Here's the same info from my .plr file, for use with a modified >TSW (with the three axis hack for f1 2001 applied):

Thank you, gentlemen. I finally found the screen to turn off autoshift. My card is so slow I didn't wait long enough for it to respond! Made the suggested changes, and the controller appears to be responding properly, now. I don't know why I have to keep on assigning controls after they are set, though ?? Waiting now for new video card. I should have a screamer after installation! Wheeeee! Thanx again! Sam