Logitech Z680 - Mini-Revu

Sen-effing-sational! Makes the Porsche 996 in GTR sound like the 128-pipe organ in Westminster Abbey!

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uIxK9.41974$[email hidden]... > Sen-effing-sational! Makes the Porsche 996 in GTR sound like the 128-pipe > organ in Westminster Abbey! > I was at Best Buy the other night doing...research....yeah that's it...reseach...and they had a system going with those speakers...sounded really really good, even with all the noise that is constant in BB stores. dave henrie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/02

The reviews sounded like the Z680s were awesome...and it is...but the sales bot @ CompUSA said the quality was the usual Logitech crap; his Z560s lasted abt. a week before the subwoofer blew out. That's better than my last Creative 5.1 Inspires...they were DOA. Anyway, I took the extended warranty (which I *never* do), just in case. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YmyK9.348995$P31.130993@rwcrnsc53... > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uIxK9.41974$[email hidden]... > > Sen-effing-sational! Makes the Porsche 996 in GTR sound like the128-pipe

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> > organ in Westminster Abbey! > > > I was at Best Buy the other night doing...research....yeah that's > it...reseach...and they had a system going with those speakers...sounded > really really good, even with all the noise that is constant in BB stores. > dave henrie > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/02 > >

"Steve Smith" . Anyway, I took the extended warranty > (which I *never* do), just in case. > <engage the whatif machine> Steve: Hi I'd like to return these speakers Best Buy Clerk: Why? Steve: Cuz there broken BBC: What Happened? Steve: THE MARCOS!! THE MARCOS killed my speakers!! BBC: uhhhhhhhh <return to sanity> dave henrie

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> "Steve Smith" > > . Anyway, I took the extended warranty > > (which I *never* do), just in case. > > > > <engage the whatif machine> > Steve: Hi I'd like to return these speakers > Best Buy Clerk: Why? > Steve: Cuz there broken > BBC: What Happened? > Steve: THE MARCOS!! THE MARCOS killed my speakers!! > BBC: uhhhhhhhh > <return to sanity> > > dave henrie

Why mess with all the pretenders?? Get some "Klipsch" speakers!! I have the 2.1's($169.00) and they ROCK!! They are also THX certified. SpeedRat

Have you heard the 680s? (I've heard the Klipsch 4.1s. The 680s are better.) "SpeedRat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<wGAK9.50276$hw3.7544@sccrnsc04>...

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> > "Steve Smith" > > > > . Anyway, I took the extended warranty > > > (which I *never* do), just in case. > > > > > > > <engage the whatif machine> > > Steve: Hi I'd like to return these speakers > > Best Buy Clerk: Why? > > Steve: Cuz there broken > > BBC: What Happened? > > Steve: THE MARCOS!! THE MARCOS killed my speakers!! > > BBC: uhhhhhhhh > > <return to sanity> > > > > dave henrie > > Why mess with all the pretenders?? Get some "Klipsch" speakers!! I > have the 2.1's($169.00) and they ROCK!! They are also THX certified. > SpeedRat

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> "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:<wGAK9.50276$hw3.7544@sccrnsc04>... >> "Steve Smith" >> >> . Anyway, I took the extended warranty >>> (which I *never* do), just in case. >>> >> >> <engage the whatif machine> >> Steve: Hi I'd like to return these speakers >> Best Buy Clerk: Why? >> Steve: Cuz there broken >> BBC: What Happened? >> Steve: THE MARCOS!! THE MARCOS killed my speakers!! >> BBC: uhhhhhhhh >> <return to sanity> >> >> dave henrie > > Why mess with all the pretenders?? Get some "Klipsch" speakers!! I > have the 2.1's($169.00) and they ROCK!! They are also THX certified. > SpeedRat

I agree wholeheartedly. I have the Klipsch Pro Media 2.400's , and combined with my Audigy 2 they are simply awesome. I am eyeing their 5.1's, but there have been some buggy reports on failures with those so I will probably wait a little longer till they get that sorted out. Heck, even with a headphone plugged into the headphone jack on the power pod, the sound is incredible. -- Don Burnette

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> Have you heard the 680s? (I've heard the Klipsch 4.1s. The 680s are > better.) > > "SpeedRat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:<wGAK9.50276$hw3.7544@sccrnsc04>... > > > "Steve Smith" > > > > > > . Anyway, I took the extended warranty > > > > (which I *never* do), just in case. > > > > > > > > > > <engage the whatif machine> > > > Steve: Hi I'd like to return these speakers > > > Best Buy Clerk: Why? > > > Steve: Cuz there broken > > > BBC: What Happened? > > > Steve: THE MARCOS!! THE MARCOS killed my speakers!! > > > BBC: uhhhhhhhh > > > <return to sanity> > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > Why mess with all the pretenders?? Get some "Klipsch" speakers!! I > > have the 2.1's($169.00) and they ROCK!! They are also THX certified. > > SpeedRat > > >

Bunch of little girly men. Harmon Kardon AVR 210 amp with Paradigm 9se's here. Hear? What? ;) MRSisson -- LOAD "GPL",8,1 RUN

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> > "Steve Smith" > > > > . Anyway, I took the extended warranty > > > (which I *never* do), just in case. > > > > > > > <engage the whatif machine> > > Steve: Hi I'd like to return these speakers > > Best Buy Clerk: Why? > > Steve: Cuz there broken > > BBC: What Happened? > > Steve: THE MARCOS!! THE MARCOS killed my speakers!! > > BBC: uhhhhhhhh > > <return to sanity> > > > > dave henrie > > Why mess with all the pretenders?? Get some "Klipsch" speakers!! I > have the 2.1's($169.00) and they ROCK!! They are also THX certified. > SpeedRat

Klipsch are no better (nice hype machine over bass and not much more). I had the 4.1's and the satellite connectors ALL broke after 18 months (sound would fade/drop off and I would need to jiggle the wire). Klipsch support did nothing for me (I didn't expect free speakers but I did expect a discount off the satellite replacement price would have been nice). I did my homework and found the Monsoon MH 505 5.1's. Best speakers I've ever owned (only $140 - a few hundred cheaper than the Klipsch). However obvious, it merits mentioning that you don't know what you're missing until you experience something superior. These speakers showed me that muddy, overbearing bass is not quality, dynamic sound (Klipsch and Logitech are muddy and distorted). The Monsoons, using cones and planar focus flat panel technology in the satellites, are exceptional. I never heard the clarity in the mids and highs I hear now. I also enjoy the precise and clear bass which may never shake the desk (good boom for its size) but more than makes up for it with quality sound. While they are great for gaming, they especially shine vs. the competition in music and DVD movies. Just my 2 cents based on what I've learned and experienced with speakers. -- Joe M.

Harmon Kardon, Harmon Kardon.... Didn't that used to be a stereo manufacturer in the 1950s? I wonder who bought the name. Maybe the same outfit that bought the Stromberg-Carlson mame.... ;o) Yer right, tho, the Paradigm's rock! "Michael Sisson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MPG.186551891ac760499896b0@nntp...

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> In article <_THK9.60704$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Have you heard the 680s? (I've heard the Klipsch 4.1s. The 680s are > > better.) > > > > "SpeedRat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:<wGAK9.50276$hw3.7544@sccrnsc04>... > > > > "Steve Smith" > > > > > > > > . Anyway, I took the extended warranty > > > > > (which I *never* do), just in case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > <engage the whatif machine> > > > > Steve: Hi I'd like to return these speakers > > > > Best Buy Clerk: Why? > > > > Steve: Cuz there broken > > > > BBC: What Happened? > > > > Steve: THE MARCOS!! THE MARCOS killed my speakers!! > > > > BBC: uhhhhhhhh > > > > <return to sanity> > > > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > Why mess with all the pretenders?? Get some "Klipsch" speakers!! I > > > have the 2.1's($169.00) and they ROCK!! They are also THX certified. > > > SpeedRat > > > > > > > > Bunch of little girly men. > > Harmon Kardon AVR 210 amp with Paradigm 9se's here. Hear? What? > > ;) > > MRSisson > > -- > LOAD "GPL",8,1 > RUN

Right you are, Joe. I wasn't saying the 680s were the best speakers I've ever heard; I was saying they're the best value in a self-powered speaker system I've ever heard. The best speakers I've ever heard were monolithic Beveridge columns driven by tubed Audio Research equipment in the 80s. I haven't paid much attention to hi-fi since then (featuresets have become more important to me than pure fidelity). The only planar speakers I ever liked (other than the Bevs) were Magneplanars (and I'm glad to see theiy're still around, unlike Beveridge). I listened to the first Monsoons and they sounded tinny. But I see at this year's SEMA show that the "Fast & the Furious" Import Scene denizens favor Monsoon's car audio stuff now. Maybe I should give 'em another listen.... "Joe M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "SpeedRat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:<wGAK9.50276$hw3.7544@sccrnsc04>... > > > "Steve Smith" > > > > > > . Anyway, I took the extended warranty > > > > (which I *never* do), just in case. > > > > > > > > > > <engage the whatif machine> > > > Steve: Hi I'd like to return these speakers > > > Best Buy Clerk: Why? > > > Steve: Cuz there broken > > > BBC: What Happened? > > > Steve: THE MARCOS!! THE MARCOS killed my speakers!! > > > BBC: uhhhhhhhh > > > <return to sanity> > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > Why mess with all the pretenders?? Get some "Klipsch" speakers!! I > > have the 2.1's($169.00) and they ROCK!! They are also THX certified. > > SpeedRat > > Klipsch are no better (nice hype machine over bass and not much more). I > had the 4.1's and the satellite connectors ALL broke after 18 months

(sound > would fade/drop off and I would need to jiggle the wire). Klipsch support > did nothing for me (I didn't expect free speakers but I did expect a > discount off the satellite replacement price would have been nice). I did > my homework and found the Monsoon MH 505 5.1's. Best speakers I've ever > owned (only $140 - a few hundred cheaper than the Klipsch). However > obvious, it merits mentioning that you don't know what you're missinguntil > you experience something superior. > > These speakers showed me that muddy, overbearing bass is not quality, > dynamic sound (Klipsch and Logitech are muddy and distorted). TheMonsoons, > using cones and planar focus flat panel technology in the satellites, are > exceptional. I never heard the clarity in the mids and highs I hear now.I > also enjoy the precise and clear bass which may never shake the desk (good > boom for its size) but more than makes up for it with quality sound.While

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> they are great for gaming, they especially shine vs. the competition in > music and DVD movies. Just my 2 cents based on what I've learned and > experienced with speakers. > > -- > Joe M. > >

I didn't think you said they were the best ever, you're not much for hyperbole around here. ;0) I was replying to speed rat who called the Logitech's pretenders and praised the highly overrated Klipsch (Logitech is no worse than Klipsch). I consider the 680's a terrific value, certainly a better overall choice than Klipsch. It's also personal taste. Some people prefer booming bass and might not like the subtle yet accurate bass of the Monsoons. BTW, the planar's on the 505's succeed because of the included cone speaker (3" I believe) which handle the mid range nicely. Thankfully, they are not tinny at all. PS-My favorite speaker (value & performance) are B&W. I bought a nice center channel for my HT (store was closing) and now I am impatient to buy the L/R. If only there were a currency producing tree in the yard. -- Joe M. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JkNK9.50689$[email hidden]... > Right you are, Joe. I wasn't saying the 680s were the best speakers I've > ever heard; I was saying they're the best value in a self-powered speaker > system I've ever heard. The best speakers I've ever heard were monolithic > Beveridge columns driven by tubed Audio Research equipment in the 80s. I > haven't paid much attention to hi-fi since then (featuresets have become > more important to me than pure fidelity). > > The only planar speakers I ever liked (other than the Bevs) were > Magneplanars (and I'm glad to see theiy're still around, unlike Beveridge). > I listened to the first Monsoons and they sounded tinny. But I see at this > year's SEMA show that the "Fast & the Furious" Import Scene denizens favor > Monsoon's car audio stuff now. Maybe I should give 'em another listen.... > > "Joe M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "SpeedRat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:<wGAK9.50276$hw3.7544@sccrnsc04>... > > > > "Steve Smith" > > > > > > > > . Anyway, I took the extended warranty > > > > > (which I *never* do), just in case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > <engage the whatif machine> > > > > Steve: Hi I'd like to return these speakers > > > > Best Buy Clerk: Why? > > > > Steve: Cuz there broken > > > > BBC: What Happened? > > > > Steve: THE MARCOS!! THE MARCOS killed my speakers!! > > > > BBC: uhhhhhhhh > > > > <return to sanity> > > > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > Why mess with all the pretenders?? Get some "Klipsch" speakers!! I > > > have the 2.1's($169.00) and they ROCK!! They are also THX certified. > > > SpeedRat > > > > Klipsch are no better (nice hype machine over bass and not much more). I > > had the 4.1's and the satellite connectors ALL broke after 18 months > (sound > > would fade/drop off and I would need to jiggle the wire). Klipsch support > > did nothing for me (I didn't expect free speakers but I did expect a > > discount off the satellite replacement price would have been nice). I did > > my homework and found the Monsoon MH 505 5.1's. Best speakers I've ever > > owned (only $140 - a few hundred cheaper than the Klipsch). However > > obvious, it merits mentioning that you don't know what you're missing > until > > you experience something superior. > > > > These speakers showed me that muddy, overbearing bass is not quality, > > dynamic sound (Klipsch and Logitech are muddy and distorted). The > Monsoons, > > using cones and planar focus flat panel technology in the satellites, are > > exceptional. I never heard the clarity in the mids and highs I hear now. > I > > also enjoy the precise and clear bass which may never shake the desk (good > > boom for its size) but more than makes up for it with quality sound. > While > > they are great for gaming, they especially shine vs. the competition in > > music and DVD movies. Just my 2 cents based on what I've learned and > > experienced with speakers. > > > > -- > > Joe M. > > > > > >

Yes! I had a lovely set of pyramid-shaped B&Ws back in the 70s. Sold 'em to a musician who still has 'em and still loves 'em. Prolly shouldn't have sold 'em at all. Just before my interest in hi-fi waned (when 'putas came along), I bought a set of Cerwin-Vega lease-breakers with 15-inch woofers! Drove them with 2 pairs of bi-amped 400-watters. Lost interest in the music at abt. the same time...after having grown up with no interest in music, then fell in love with classical (Baroque), then rock (the Stones), then disco (hey, it was the 70s!), then country. Now I listen to my parents' tunes (Sinatra, Basie, Torme) on one of my TV cable's music channels. What happened? "Joe M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I didn't think you said they were the best ever, you're not much for > hyperbole around here. ;0) I was replying to speed rat who called the > Logitech's pretenders and praised the highly overrated Klipsch (Logitechis > no worse than Klipsch). I consider the 680's a terrific value, certainlya > better overall choice than Klipsch. It's also personal taste. Somepeople > prefer booming bass and might not like the subtle yet accurate bass of the > Monsoons. > > BTW, the planar's on the 505's succeed because of the included conespeaker > (3" I believe) which handle the mid range nicely. Thankfully, they arenot

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> tinny at all. > > PS-My favorite speaker (value & performance) are B&W. I bought a nice > center channel for my HT (store was closing) and now I am impatient to buy > the L/R. If only there were a currency producing tree in the yard. > > -- > Joe M. > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:JkNK9.50689$[email hidden]... > > Right you are, Joe. I wasn't saying the 680s were the best speakers

I've > > ever heard; I was saying they're the best value in a self-poweredspeaker > > system I've ever heard. The best speakers I've ever heard weremonolithic > > Beveridge columns driven by tubed Audio Research equipment in the 80s.I

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> > haven't paid much attention to hi-fi since then (featuresets have become > > more important to me than pure fidelity). > > > > The only planar speakers I ever liked (other than the Bevs) were > > Magneplanars (and I'm glad to see theiy're still around, unlike > Beveridge). > > I listened to the first Monsoons and they sounded tinny. But I see at > this > > year's SEMA show that the "Fast & the Furious" Import Scene denizens

favor > > Monsoon's car audio stuff now. Maybe I should give 'em anotherlisten....

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> > > > "Joe M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > "SpeedRat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:<wGAK9.50276$hw3.7544@sccrnsc04>... > > > > > "Steve Smith" > > > > > > > > > > . Anyway, I took the extended warranty > > > > > > (which I *never* do), just in case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <engage the whatif machine> > > > > > Steve: Hi I'd like to return these speakers > > > > > Best Buy Clerk: Why? > > > > > Steve: Cuz there broken > > > > > BBC: What Happened? > > > > > Steve: THE MARCOS!! THE MARCOS killed my speakers!! > > > > > BBC: uhhhhhhhh > > > > > <return to sanity> > > > > > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > Why mess with all the pretenders?? Get some "Klipsch" speakers!! I > > > > have the 2.1's($169.00) and they ROCK!! They are also THX certified. > > > > SpeedRat > > > > > > Klipsch are no better (nice hype machine over bass and not much more). > I > > > had the 4.1's and the satellite connectors ALL broke after 18 months > > (sound > > > would fade/drop off and I would need to jiggle the wire). Klipsch > support > > > did nothing for me (I didn't expect free speakers but I did expect a > > > discount off the satellite replacement price would have been nice). I > did > > > my homework and found the Monsoon MH 505 5.1's. Best speakers I've

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> > > owned (only $140 - a few hundred cheaper than the Klipsch). However > > > obvious, it merits mentioning that you don't know what you're missing > > until > > > you experience something superior. > > > > > > These speakers showed me that muddy, overbearing bass is not quality, > > > dynamic sound (Klipsch and Logitech are muddy and distorted). The > > Monsoons, > > > using cones and planar focus flat panel technology in the satellites, > are > > > exceptional. I never heard the clarity in the mids and highs I hear > now. > > I > > > also enjoy the precise and clear bass which may never shake the desk > (good > > > boom for its size) but more than makes up for it with quality sound. > > While > > > they are great for gaming, they especially shine vs. the competition

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> > > music and DVD movies. Just my 2 cents based on what I've learned and > > > experienced with speakers. > > > > > > -- > > > Joe M. > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Joe M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I didn't think you said they were the best ever, you're not much for > hyperbole around here. ;0) I was replying to speed rat who called the > Logitech's pretenders and praised the highly overrated Klipsch (Logitechis > no worse than Klipsch). I consider the 680's a terrific value, certainlya > better overall choice than Klipsch. It's also personal taste. Somepeople > prefer booming bass and might not like the subtle yet accurate bass of the > Monsoons. > I can't say I've heard the difference myself - but I have heard my brother's Z-560 setup, and they sound absoultely awesome...he has compared his directly to the Z-680's his friend bought and plugged into an Audigy 2, and he says there's no real difference in sound...about as unscientific as it gets, I know, but my guess is a lot of the increased cost of the 680's over the 560's comes in the control unit, the remote, and the center channel. Milhouse

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iDPK9.51956$[email hidden]... > Yes! I had a lovely set of pyramid-shaped B&Ws back in the 70s. Sold 'em > to a musician who still has 'em and still loves 'em. Prolly shouldn'thave > sold 'em at all. Just before my interest in hi-fi waned (when 'putas came > along), I bought a set of Cerwin-Vega lease-breakers with 15-inch woofers! > Drove them with 2 pairs of bi-amped 400-watters. Lost interest in themusic > at abt. the same time...after having grown up with no interest in music, > then fell in love with classical (Baroque), then rock (the Stones), then > disco (hey, it was the 70s!), then country. Now I listen to my parents' > tunes (Sinatra, Basie, Torme) on one of my TV cable's music channels.What > happened?(huge snip) You got older!!! ;-) -- callsignviper The truth is out there. You just have to look in the right places and ask the right questions.

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> On 14 Dec 2002 05:26:16 -0800, [email hidden] (SpeedRat) > wrote: > > > >>Why mess with all the pretenders?? Get some "Klipsch" speakers!! I >>have the 2.1's($169.00) and they ROCK!! They are also THX certified. >> SpeedRat > > > pffftffft! Surely you mean get some *Monsoon* speakers?

I've got Monsoon 702's as well, and they are absolutely spectacular for the price range. The new Planar 9's should be even better and at a great price. Crystal clear sound. They lack a bit of midrange, but I've fixed that on my SBlive with the parametric equalizer hack by boosting the midrange frequencies 7 Db at a 1 octave range centered at 290 Hz. They are now full sounding with that tweak. Also, the monsoon's planar drivers need some breaking in, so out of the box, they will have too much treble and will sound tinny. Play some tunes on them at moderately high volume and after a couple of weeks of use, the treble will be reduced and the midrange will come into its own. Great stuff. Mach42 http://www.mach42f1.com

I've got the Klipsch ProMedia 5.1's, and have zero desire to ever own another set of speakers. And with the Klipsch's, it's actually possible to do that due to the build quality. -Larry "SpeedRat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<wGAK9.50276$hw3.7544@sccrnsc04>...

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> > "Steve Smith" > > > > . Anyway, I took the extended warranty > > > (which I *never* do), just in case. > > > > > > > <engage the whatif machine> > > Steve: Hi I'd like to return these speakers > > Best Buy Clerk: Why? > > Steve: Cuz there broken > > BBC: What Happened? > > Steve: THE MARCOS!! THE MARCOS killed my speakers!! > > BBC: uhhhhhhhh > > <return to sanity> > > > > dave henrie > > Why mess with all the pretenders?? Get some "Klipsch" speakers!! I > have the 2.1's($169.00) and they ROCK!! They are also THX certified. > SpeedRat

When the ProMedia 5.1's first came out a year ago there was a problem with a component in the amp that caused problems for some. Quite a few, actually. But Klipsch has been praised for the handling of the issue and as far as I know this hasn't been a problem for a long, long time. I had the issue and a brand-new set showed up on my doorstep 2 days after I notified them by email, and postage was paid BOTH ways by Klipsch. Not a single issue since. -Larry "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> SpeedRat wrote: > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:<wGAK9.50276$hw3.7544@sccrnsc04>... > >> "Steve Smith" > >> > >> . Anyway, I took the extended warranty > >>> (which I *never* do), just in case. > >>> > >> > >> <engage the whatif machine> > >> Steve: Hi I'd like to return these speakers > >> Best Buy Clerk: Why? > >> Steve: Cuz there broken > >> BBC: What Happened? > >> Steve: THE MARCOS!! THE MARCOS killed my speakers!! > >> BBC: uhhhhhhhh > >> <return to sanity> > >> > >> dave henrie > > > > Why mess with all the pretenders?? Get some "Klipsch" speakers!! I > > have the 2.1's($169.00) and they ROCK!! They are also THX certified. > > SpeedRat > > I agree wholeheartedly. I have the Klipsch Pro Media 2.400's , and

combined > with my Audigy 2 they are simply awesome. I am eyeing their 5.1's, butthere > have been some buggy reports on failures with those so I will probablywait

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> a little longer till they get that sorted out. > Heck, even with a headphone plugged into the headphone jack on the power > pod, the sound is incredible. > > -- > Don Burnette > >

If the Klipsh ProMedia 5.1's bass sounds muddy to you, then you should clean the dirt out of your ears before getting them wet in the shower :) -Larry "Joe M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "SpeedRat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:<wGAK9.50276$hw3.7544@sccrnsc04>... > > > "Steve Smith" > > > > > > . Anyway, I took the extended warranty > > > > (which I *never* do), just in case. > > > > > > > > > > <engage the whatif machine> > > > Steve: Hi I'd like to return these speakers > > > Best Buy Clerk: Why? > > > Steve: Cuz there broken > > > BBC: What Happened? > > > Steve: THE MARCOS!! THE MARCOS killed my speakers!! > > > BBC: uhhhhhhhh > > > <return to sanity> > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > Why mess with all the pretenders?? Get some "Klipsch" speakers!! I > > have the 2.1's($169.00) and they ROCK!! They are also THX certified. > > SpeedRat > > Klipsch are no better (nice hype machine over bass and not much more). I > had the 4.1's and the satellite connectors ALL broke after 18 months

(sound > would fade/drop off and I would need to jiggle the wire). Klipsch support > did nothing for me (I didn't expect free speakers but I did expect a > discount off the satellite replacement price would have been nice). I did > my homework and found the Monsoon MH 505 5.1's. Best speakers I've ever > owned (only $140 - a few hundred cheaper than the Klipsch). However > obvious, it merits mentioning that you don't know what you're missinguntil > you experience something superior. > > These speakers showed me that muddy, overbearing bass is not quality, > dynamic sound (Klipsch and Logitech are muddy and distorted). TheMonsoons, > using cones and planar focus flat panel technology in the satellites, are > exceptional. I never heard the clarity in the mids and highs I hear now.I > also enjoy the precise and clear bass which may never shake the desk (good > boom for its size) but more than makes up for it with quality sound.While

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> they are great for gaming, they especially shine vs. the competition in > music and DVD movies. Just my 2 cents based on what I've learned and > experienced with speakers. > > -- > Joe M. > >

Unfortunately build quality is suspect in my experience. The 4.1 satellites had problems after 18 months. Yes, all 4 speakers. The jack inputs went bad (faulty connections where I had to fiddle with the wire just to get sound). After "upgrading" (cheaper price yet better speakers) to Monsoon MH 505's (5.1 system) I finally know the full range of sound speakers can produce. I've read that the 5.1 are a nice improvement over the 4.1's but Klipsch has lost me as a customer. Too damn expensive for that shelf life. -- Joe M. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5OJM9.28850$[email hidden]... > I've got the Klipsch ProMedia 5.1's, and have zero desire to ever own > another set of speakers. > > And with the Klipsch's, it's actually possible to do that due to the build > quality. > > -Larry > > "SpeedRat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:<wGAK9.50276$hw3.7544@sccrnsc04>... > > > "Steve Smith" > > > > > > . Anyway, I took the extended warranty > > > > (which I *never* do), just in case. > > > > > > > > > > <engage the whatif machine> > > > Steve: Hi I'd like to return these speakers > > > Best Buy Clerk: Why? > > > Steve: Cuz there broken > > > BBC: What Happened? > > > Steve: THE MARCOS!! THE MARCOS killed my speakers!! > > > BBC: uhhhhhhhh > > > <return to sanity> > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > Why mess with all the pretenders?? Get some "Klipsch" speakers!! I > > have the 2.1's($169.00) and they ROCK!! They are also THX certified. > > SpeedRat > >

FYI... The 5.1's use standard wire-clips now. -Larry "Joe M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Unfortunately build quality is suspect in my experience. The 4.1satellites > had problems after 18 months. Yes, all 4 speakers. The jack inputs went > bad (faulty connections where I had to fiddle with the wire just to get > sound). After "upgrading" (cheaper price yet better speakers) to MonsoonMH > 505's (5.1 system) I finally know the full range of sound speakers can > produce. I've read that the 5.1 are a nice improvement over the 4.1's but > Klipsch has lost me as a customer. Too damn expensive for that shelflife.

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> > -- > Joe M. > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5OJM9.28850$[email hidden]... > > I've got the Klipsch ProMedia 5.1's, and have zero desire to ever own > > another set of speakers. > > > > And with the Klipsch's, it's actually possible to do that due to the

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> > quality. > > > > -Larry > > > > "SpeedRat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:<wGAK9.50276$hw3.7544@sccrnsc04>... > > > > "Steve Smith" > > > > > > > > . Anyway, I took the extended warranty > > > > > (which I *never* do), just in case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > <engage the whatif machine> > > > > Steve: Hi I'd like to return these speakers > > > > Best Buy Clerk: Why? > > > > Steve: Cuz there broken > > > > BBC: What Happened? > > > > Steve: THE MARCOS!! THE MARCOS killed my speakers!! > > > > BBC: uhhhhhhhh > > > > <return to sanity> > > > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > Why mess with all the pretenders?? Get some "Klipsch" speakers!! I > > > have the 2.1's($169.00) and they ROCK!! They are also THX certified. > > > SpeedRat > > > > > >

Or longer. They started off with those ridiculous folded-horn enclosures, which pumped gobs of muddy bass, with a cement-shattering resonance abt. 80 Hz (or "cps" as we called it in those days). Klipsch's x.1 computer series is actually quite listenable, IMO. I like the Z680s primarily for their more flexible featureset (digital inputs,etc.) "Billy-Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:01:21 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I've got the Klipsch ProMedia 5.1's, and have zero desire to ever own > >another set of speakers. > > > >And with the Klipsch's, it's actually possible to do that due to thebuild > >quality. > > > >-Larry > > Klipsch has not made good speakers in 25 years!