What's this about starforce in Vista ?

"What you likely didn't know was the licensed Starforce code buried deep within Vista/DX10 ;) Mitch " Just rereading a few posts and this point Mitch brought up really caught my eye...any confirmation or elaboration ? I've read that starforce permanently screws up ones cd/dvd reader and that was the main objection to starforce

[email hidden] wrote: > Just rereading a few posts and this point Mitch brought up really > caught my eye...any confirmation or elaboration ? I've read that > starforce permanently screws up ones cd/dvd reader and that was the > main objection to starforce I've got this bridge you might be interested in buying.

It was a joke. Good eye though :) Mitch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "What you likely didn't know was the licensed Starforce code buried > deep > within Vista/DX10 ;) > Mitch " > > Just rereading a few posts and this point Mitch brought up really > caught my eye...any confirmation or elaboration ? I've read that > starforce permanently screws up ones cd/dvd reader and that was the > main objection to starforce >

Mitch_A wrote: > It was a joke. Good eye though :) > > Mitch > Thanx for the clarification

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> "What you likely didn't know was the licensed Starforce code buried > deep > within Vista/DX10 ;) > Mitch " > > Just rereading a few posts and this point Mitch brought up really > caught my eye...any confirmation or elaboration ? I've read that > starforce permanently screws up ones cd/dvd reader and that was the > main objection to starforce >

hehe.....Good one........ I am a beta tester with Vista and Starforce will not even install on it. It is immediately disabled and you forever get this warning that a driver has been disabled. This was with GTL and GTR. GTR2 installs and runs fine.... Just some info you might be interested in. Ed

Ed Medlin wrote:

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> > > hehe.....Good one........ I am a beta tester with Vista and Starforce will > not even install on it. It is immediately disabled and you forever get this > warning that a driver has been disabled. This was with GTL and GTR. GTR2 > installs and runs fine.... Just some info you might be interested in. > > Ed

useful to know- thank you

If you upgrade from XP to Vista, the driver is NOT disabled like you describe AFAIK, least I never get any warnging when I drive the game... (I am speaking of GTL). Ed Medlin enlightened us with:

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> <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> "What you likely didn't know was the licensed Starforce code buried >> deep >> within Vista/DX10 ;) >> Mitch " >> >> Just rereading a few posts and this point Mitch brought up really >> caught my eye...any confirmation or elaboration ? I've read that >> starforce permanently screws up ones cd/dvd reader and that was the >> main objection to starforce >> > > hehe.....Good one........ I am a beta tester with Vista and Starforce > will not even install on it. It is immediately disabled and you > forever get this warning that a driver has been disabled. This was > with GTL and GTR. GTR2 installs and runs fine.... Just some info you > might be interested in. > Ed

Of course NO ONE is actually going to do a dirty install upgrade from XP to Vista. Right? Right? -Larry "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vMJ3h.11365$[email hidden]...

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> If you upgrade from XP to Vista, the driver is NOT disabled like you > describe AFAIK, least I never get any warnging when I drive the game... > (I am speaking of GTL). > > > Ed Medlin enlightened us with: >> <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>> "What you likely didn't know was the licensed Starforce code buried >>> deep >>> within Vista/DX10 ;) >>> Mitch " >>> >>> Just rereading a few posts and this point Mitch brought up really >>> caught my eye...any confirmation or elaboration ? I've read that >>> starforce permanently screws up ones cd/dvd reader and that was the >>> main objection to starforce >>> >> >> hehe.....Good one........ I am a beta tester with Vista and Starforce >> will not even install on it. It is immediately disabled and you >> forever get this warning that a driver has been disabled. This was >> with GTL and GTR. GTR2 installs and runs fine.... Just some info you >> might be interested in. >> Ed > >

"Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vMJ3h.11365$[email hidden]... > If you upgrade from XP to Vista, the driver is NOT disabled like you > describe AFAIK, least I never get any warnging when I drive the game... > (I am speaking of GTL). >Are you using the latest RC of Vista? Really won't matter after the second beta. Starforce drivers are disabled at startup of Vista and GTL and GTR will not run ................ won't even install correctly. GTR2 is fine. During the first beta release I tested, Starforce drivers would install and I could run GTR (GTL had not been released in the US yet) fine. When MS added all the increased protection in Beta 2 of Vista, this changed. That all is really moot since most game developers are going away from the Starforce protection and moving to DVDs and implementing differnent copy protection schemes. Vista RC2 is a completely different animal that the Betas and RC1. I can install and run GTR2 just fine..........Not so with GTR and GTL. As soon as Vista starts I get a warning that the Starforce driver will not be allowed to run and is disabled. It may be just my configuration..........but I doubt it. Ed

Ed Medlin wrote: > Are you using the latest RC of Vista? Really won't matter after the second > beta. Starforce drivers are disabled at startup of Vista and GTL and GTR > will not run There's a patch that fixes that. Of course, it also means that you'll have Starforce running. :)

well erm Uh, well.... I did, for the Beta, testing... what can I say, I have upgraded 3 oses now in my lifetime, went 95 to 98, then at some point reinstalled 98, then from 98 to XP Home, then reinstalled home, then Home to Pro, then recently reinstalled Pro, then took the dead "HOME" version which was just a partition back up, or clone drive, upgraded thatto Vista RC1 for shics and grizzles... Oh wait, that is 4 times. hehehe worst problem I have had was, Friggin XP and Sidewinder software... if I sat down and installed XP, up to SP2 'then" installed the wheel drivers/software, I was screwed, but if I install XP and then install driver/software for wheel everything works good. Same with Vista, no way sidewinder SW that most had trouble installing in XP w/SP2, upgraded to Vista, and it works just fine!>?? go figure... Larry wrote:

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> Of course NO ONE is actually going to do a dirty install upgrade from > XP to Vista. Right? > > Right? > > -Larry > > "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vMJ3h.11365$[email hidden]... >> If you upgrade from XP to Vista, the driver is NOT disabled like you >> describe AFAIK, least I never get any warnging when I drive the >> game... (I am speaking of GTL). >> >> >> Ed Medlin enlightened us with: >>> <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:[email hidden]... >>>> "What you likely didn't know was the licensed Starforce code buried >>>> deep >>>> within Vista/DX10 ;) >>>> Mitch " >>>> >>>> Just rereading a few posts and this point Mitch brought up really >>>> caught my eye...any confirmation or elaboration ? I've read that >>>> starforce permanently screws up ones cd/dvd reader and that was the >>>> main objection to starforce >>>> >>> >>> hehe.....Good one........ I am a beta tester with Vista and >>> Starforce will not even install on it. It is immediately disabled >>> and you forever get this warning that a driver has been disabled. >>> This was with GTL and GTR. GTR2 installs and runs fine.... Just >>> some info you might be interested in. >>> Ed

Ed I got one of the original 1000 people got to dowload RC1, that is when I got the IMAGE and recently burned it to DVD, then upgraded XP (semi working old PC that I migrated from) that had pre Vista install of GTL, GPL, NR03... Now I have some crap issue that in XP, NR03 would load then crash clear back to BIOS... some information gleaned from google lead mention to possible that VIA 4n1 driver issue, it is a p4 3.ghz Abit motherboard... FYI, so far, everything ran but NR03 with Vista RC1, but I have NOT tried to install ANY other games I have either, so be that info you can use? I dunno. se my other post to Larry about same date and time as this one... questions? sting32-at- gmail. c o m Ed Medlin wrote:

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> "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vMJ3h.11365$[email hidden]... >> If you upgrade from XP to Vista, the driver is NOT disabled like you >> describe AFAIK, least I never get any warnging when I drive the >> game... (I am speaking of GTL). >> > Are you using the latest RC of Vista? Really won't matter after the > second beta. Starforce drivers are disabled at startup of Vista and > GTL and GTR will not run ................ won't even install > correctly. GTR2 is fine. During the first beta release I tested, > Starforce drivers would install and I could run GTR (GTL had not been > released in the US yet) fine. When MS added all the increased > protection in Beta 2 of Vista, this changed. That all is really moot > since most game developers are going away from the Starforce > protection and moving to DVDs and implementing differnent copy > protection schemes. Vista RC2 is a completely different animal that > the Betas and RC1. I can install and run GTR2 just fine..........Not > so with GTR and GTL. As soon as Vista starts I get a warning that the > Starforce driver will not be allowed to run and is disabled. It may > be just my configuration..........but I doubt it. > Ed

On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:06:58 GMT, Ed Medlin wrote:

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> Are you using the latest RC of Vista? Really won't matter after the second > beta. Starforce drivers are disabled at startup of Vista and GTL and GTR > will not run ................ won't even install correctly. GTR2 is fine. > During the first beta release I tested, Starforce drivers would install and > I could run GTR (GTL had not been released in the US yet) fine. When MS > added all the increased protection in Beta 2 of Vista, this changed. That > all is really moot since most game developers are going away from the > Starforce protection and moving to DVDs and implementing differnent copy > protection schemes. Vista RC2 is a completely different animal that the > Betas and RC1. I can install and run GTR2 just fine..........Not so with GTR > and GTL. As soon as Vista starts I get a warning that the Starforce driver > will not be allowed to run and is disabled. It may be just my > configuration..........but I doubt it. > > Ed

GTR2 doesn't use Starforce and that is why it runs fine and GTR and GTL don't.

HOLST wrote: > On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:06:58 GMT, Ed Medlin wrote: > > > >> > GTR2 doesn't use Starforce and that is why it runs fine and GTR and GTL > don't. what if you tried to run the un-starforce cracked exe versions ? will they run on vista ?

"Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Nxd4h.3047$[email hidden]...

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> Ed I got one of the original 1000 people got to dowload RC1, that is when > I got the IMAGE and recently burned it to DVD, then upgraded XP (semi > working old PC that I migrated from) that had pre Vista install of GTL, > GPL, NR03... Now I have some crap issue that in XP, NR03 would load then > crash clear back to BIOS... > > some information gleaned from google lead mention to possible that VIA 4n1 > driver issue, it is a p4 3.ghz Abit motherboard... > > FYI, so far, everything ran but NR03 with Vista RC1, but I have NOT tried > to install ANY other games I have either, so be that info you can use? I > dunno. se my other post to Larry about same date and time as this > one... > > questions? sting32-at- gmail. c o m >

I run Vista as a new install and did not do an upgrade install. I run it on it's own partition and dual boot with XP. There could very well be a problem with different system configurations too. In the Vista beta/RC forum there are a lot of different gliches that seem to be following that theory. IMO, Vista is not nearly ready to even have the label of RC yet. I have had NR2003 running, albeit in compatibility mode and it ran terribly. GTR2 runs smoothly, basically just like it does in XP for me. The only problems with GTR2 is (I think) the ATI Vista drivers are not quite ready for prime time as I get tearing and pixelization with sky and cloud textures. Sound drivers are not good either but got XP drivers to work so-so. Ed

One thing they did in Vista is they changed the method of pathing to user profiles. I expect this is going to freak out more than one program. Not to mention it probably breaks about every corporate installer on the planet that doesn't use meta commands (i.e. %userprofile%). -Larry "Ed Medlin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xRI4h.4804$[email hidden]...

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> > "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Nxd4h.3047$[email hidden]... >> Ed I got one of the original 1000 people got to dowload RC1, that is when >> I got the IMAGE and recently burned it to DVD, then upgraded XP (semi >> working old PC that I migrated from) that had pre Vista install of GTL, >> GPL, NR03... Now I have some crap issue that in XP, NR03 would load then >> crash clear back to BIOS... >> >> some information gleaned from google lead mention to possible that VIA >> 4n1 driver issue, it is a p4 3.ghz Abit motherboard... >> >> FYI, so far, everything ran but NR03 with Vista RC1, but I have NOT tried >> to install ANY other games I have either, so be that info you can use? I >> dunno. se my other post to Larry about same date and time as this >> one... >> >> questions? sting32-at- gmail. c o m >> > I run Vista as a new install and did not do an upgrade install. I run it > on it's own partition and dual boot with XP. There could very well be a > problem with different system configurations too. In the Vista beta/RC > forum there are a lot of different gliches that seem to be following that > theory. IMO, Vista is not nearly ready to even have the label of RC yet. I > have had NR2003 running, albeit in compatibility mode and it ran terribly. > GTR2 runs smoothly, basically just like it does in XP for me. The only > problems with GTR2 is (I think) the ATI Vista drivers are not quite ready > for prime time as I get tearing and pixelization with sky and cloud > textures. Sound drivers are not good either but got XP drivers to work > so-so. > > Ed >

On 8 Nov 2006 18:49:20 -0800, [email hidden] wrote: > what if you tried to run the un-starforce cracked exe versions ? will > they run on vista ? I've never seen cracks for GTR or GTL. You sure you aren't talking about about mounting .iso's and then using Starfuck?

Starforce is dead anyway. Every title released that uses it now is cracked right away. Bugs Bunny wrote:

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> On 8 Nov 2006 18:49:20 -0800, [email hidden] wrote: > > > > what if you tried to run the un-starforce cracked exe versions ? will > > they run on vista ? > > I've never seen cracks for GTR or GTL. You sure you aren't talking about > about mounting .iso's and then using Starfuck?