Battling with Reality vs. Speed

I'm ruining the entertainment I used to get out of racing simulations by worrying so much about speed. Of course speed is very important in any racing title, but I like to enjoy every bit of reality that I can get as well. For me there is a serious tradeoff. Reality includes using my RS Shifter and clutch, as well as driving from the cockpit view. Before I heard the fast guys were driving from the "bonnet view" back in Rally Trophy I never even considered it. What sucks is that I try hard to go fast with my shifter from the cockpit view, but in the back of my mind I'm always battling with the thought that I could be going faster if I used the paddles and changed my view. It's almost not fun any more because of this. I want to go fast, but I want reality. I'm not so fast even without all the stuff :P What do you suggest? - Dave Cook

Stop being anal about it and just have fun. Errr, that came out a little harsher than I meant it. :o) But really, I get a bit frustrated at how seriously some simmers take the reality thing. The fact is these are all GAMES, and frankly none of them are all that good a simulation of reality, and frankly most serious simmers don't even know the difference anyway. Relax, play the games, and enjoy. "Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JfxM9.1882$[email hidden]... > I'm ruining the entertainment I used to get out of racing simulationsby > worrying so much about speed. Of course speed is very important inany racing > title, but I like to enjoy every bit of reality that I can get aswell. For me > there is a serious tradeoff. Reality includes using my RS Shifter andclutch, > as well as driving from the cockpit view. Before I heard the fastguys were > driving from the "bonnet view" back in Rally Trophy I never evenconsidered it. > > What sucks is that I try hard to go fast with my shifter from thecockpit view, > but in the back of my mind I'm always battling with the thought that Icould be > going faster if I used the paddles and changed my view. It's almostnot fun any > more because of this. I want to go fast, but I want reality. I'm notso fast

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> even without all the stuff :P > > What do you suggest? > > - Dave Cook > >

On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 04:45:29 GMT, "Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >What sucks is that I try hard to go fast with my shifter from the cockpit view, >but in the back of my mind I'm always battling with the thought that I could be >going faster if I used the paddles and changed my view. It's almost not fun any >more because of this. I want to go fast, but I want reality. I'm not so fast >even without all the stuff :P > >What do you suggest?

Why can't you do both? Not at the same time of course. I like using the clutch+shifter more but sometimes I'll just use the paddle shifters if I'm lazy and wanna give my left foot a break. My friend who races online will use paddle shifters but for offline play he uses shifter+clutch. If he used a clutch and shifter for competitive racing, he'd get wasted big time. -- karkrazy AT softhome DOT net http://karkrazy.m4driving.sm

"Dave Cook" wrote: > What sucks is that I try hard to go fast with my shifter from the cockpitview, > but in the back of my mind I'm always battling with the thought that I couldbe > going faster if I used the paddles and changed my view. It's almost not funany > more because of this. I want to go fast, but I want reality. I'm not so fast > even without all the stuff :P > > What do you suggest? Once you (and I) come to terms with the fact you will not be the fastest on-line racer regardless of kit, then you can either try to find a suitable level in an online league - it is usually reasonably easy to determine the level by comparing lap times. Or find a single player experience you enjoy and tweak the AI to your level with your realistic setup installed If it wasn't for the internet you wouldn't worry so much about the extra speed! I was blissfully unaware that I wasn't the best at F1GP :) (I later discovered there were tweaks to make the AI faster at Ace level!) Cheers Tony

Do what you enjoy and tell the rest to get lost. I get so tired of this reality crap. As I have said before if anyone is a true reality nut they should be wearing a driving suit, helmet and have the heat cranked up over 100 degrees. Of course that is silly but it would be closer to reality than sitting there playing in a T-shirt and shorts with the A/C on. I'm not to do it and I don't expect anyone else to, but if they want to preach reality to me they dam well better be doing that and more. So if you want to use your shifter and pedals do it. If you want to hot lap and compare lap times go kite cam and paddels. As long as you are enjoying yourself who cares. This type of crap has pretty much killed online racing for me. I don't need the grief. I'd much rather loose clean to a roof rider, than get wrecked by someone using the cockpit view. MadDAWG

"Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:JfxM9.1882$[email hidden]... > Of course speed is very important in any racing > title, but I like to enjoy every bit of reality that I can get as well. What's the problem? Maybe you would be quicker using a joystick and a helicopter view, but would you enjoy it? No? Then don't. Try to win a race your way, and let the 'cheaters' run their own race... Bye, Leo

"Tony Rickard" wrote... > <snip> > I was blissfully unaware that I wasn't the best > at F1GP :) (I later discovered there were tweaks > to make the AI faster at Ace level!) Hehehe... I used to think I was pretty good at this stuff too, back then. Even so, either the AI in F1GP were too slow or the player car was too fast. Jan. =---

"Leo Landman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:au0dv1$rn1$[email hidden]...

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> > "Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > news:JfxM9.1882$[email hidden]... > > > Of course speed is very important in any racing > > title, but I like to enjoy every bit of reality that I can get as well. > > What's the problem? Maybe you would be quicker using a joystick and a > helicopter view, but would you enjoy it? No? Then don't. Try to win a race > your way, and let the 'cheaters' run their own race... > > Bye, > Leo

I wouldn't call them cheaters, but I do agree that I should make a pact with myself to have fun using everything that adds to the realism of the sim and just accept that I'm not going to be lightning fast unless I invest a lot of time. Another thing I'm gonna do is focus more on racing the AI and not so much on hot lapping. I've found that hot lapping can be a very frustrating time, running many imperfect laps - or being on the verge of the perfect lap only to have it vanish on the last turn. Not fun at all. I admit it is very gratifying when you finally nail one - but that's not racing! Dicing with the AI (or on-line) from the cockpit with my shifter and clutch - that's where I'll be focusing more of my time, and having more fun in the process :) - Dave

> Even so, either the AI in F1GP were too slow or the player car was too fast. > > Jan. Don't shatter the illusion, Jan. *I* was too fast :)

As far as Im concerned roof riding is just another driving aid like the auto brake or the steering assist. If you use the driving aids you should be put at a disadvantage instead of an advantage. Papy f*&^d up.. Mitch "Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DdPM9.3268$[email hidden]...

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> "Leo Landman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:au0dv1$rn1$[email hidden]... > > > > "Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > > news:JfxM9.1882$[email hidden]... > > > > > Of course speed is very important in any racing > > > title, but I like to enjoy every bit of reality that I can get as

well. > > > > What's the problem? Maybe you would be quicker using a joystick and a > > helicopter view, but would you enjoy it? No? Then don't. Try to win arace > > your way, and let the 'cheaters' run their own race... > > > > Bye, > > Leo > > I wouldn't call them cheaters, but I do agree that I should make a pactwith > myself to have fun using everything that adds to the realism of the simand just > accept that I'm not going to be lightning fast unless I invest a lot oftime. > > Another thing I'm gonna do is focus more on racing the AI and not so muchon hot > lapping. I've found that hot lapping can be a very frustrating time,running > many imperfect laps - or being on the verge of the perfect lap only tohave it > vanish on the last turn. Not fun at all. I admit it is very gratifyingwhen > you finally nail one - but that's not racing! Dicing with the AI (oron-line) > from the cockpit with my shifter and clutch - that's where I'll befocusing more > of my time, and having more fun in the process :) > > - Dave > >

In article <SkQM9.2015$[email hidden]>, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> writes: >As far as Im concerned roof riding is just another driving aid like the auto >brake or the steering assist. If you use the driving aids you should be put >at a disadvantage instead of an advantage. Papy f*&^d up.. How would they make it a disadvantage - slow your top speed? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett (check out my e-bay auctions) GPLRank:-0.098 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I guess *that* is the question E :) Maybe a little aero drag (or a lot depending on crack size hehe) Madawg summed up my feelings pretty well in another post. The *wondering* if it's fair takes away from the enjoyment. Mitch "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <SkQM9.2015$[email hidden]>, "Mitch_A" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >As far as Im concerned roof riding is just another driving aid like theauto > >brake or the steering assist. If you use the driving aids you should beput

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> >at a disadvantage instead of an advantage. Papy f*&^d up.. > > How would they make it a disadvantage - slow your top speed? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett (check out my e-bay auctions) > GPLRank:-0.098 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <SkQM9.2015$[email hidden]>, "Mitch_A" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >As far as Im concerned roof riding is just another driving aid likethe auto > >brake or the steering assist. If you use the driving aids you shouldbe put > >at a disadvantage instead of an advantage. Papy f*&^d up.. > > How would they make it a disadvantage - slow your top speed? No, more like what MPS did way back then: add a "difficulty factor". The more aides you turned on, the lower the difficulty factor. Full difficulty is 1.0 (realistic). Multiple your time/score by the difficulty factor to get the "real" score. Race masters can preset "allowed difficulty factors" like "you must set yourself to at least 0.75 to join race" or force specific options to be set or unset... [Remember this system? It was in the ORIGINAL Silent Service] --KC

In article <%2eN9.318$[email hidden]>, "Kasey Chang \(remove EATSPAM to reply\)" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>No, more like what MPS did way back then: add a "difficulty factor". >The more aides you turned on, the lower the difficulty factor. Full >difficulty >is 1.0 (realistic). Multiple your time/score by the difficulty factor to >get the >"real" score. > >Race masters can preset "allowed difficulty factors" like "you must set >yourself to at least 0.75 to join race" or force specific options to be >set >or unset... > >[Remember this system? It was in the ORIGINAL Silent Service]

Yeah, I vaguely remember that... I think MPS did it with their other games like Colonization as well... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett (check out my e-bay auctions) GPLRank:-0.098 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.