Willow Springs out!

One of the earliest--and most famous--of all U.S. "club" tracks, Willow Springs (in the trackless desert north of L.A.), is out for GPL. You can get it at Magnus' celebrated GPL track database: http://magnust.d2g.com/ At first blush, it looks *very* professionally done....

On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 03:39:39 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>One of the earliest--and most famous--of all U.S. "club" tracks, Willow >Springs (in the trackless desert north of L.A.), is out for GPL. You can >get it at Magnus' celebrated GPL track database: > >http://magnust.d2g.com/ > >At first blush, it looks *very* professionally done....

Looks very nice. Still waiting for someone to do Central Park and Schenley Park for GPL. =/ Jason

[email hidden] (Jason Moyer) wrote in news:[email hidden]: > Still waiting for someone to do Central Park and Schenley Park for > GPL. =/ > > Jason I'm still waiting/hoping for the Isle Of Man. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -21.72 MonsterRank 16.55

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%zvN9.116262$[email hidden]... > One of the earliest--and most famous--of all U.S. "club" tracks, Willow > Springs (in the trackless desert north of L.A.), is out for GPL. Hey cool, Now I can practice before going there for the open track events. Thanks!

"Don Scurlock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> [email hidden] (Jason Moyer) wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > > Still waiting for someone to do Central Park and Schenley Park for > > GPL. =/ > > > > Jason > > > I'm still waiting/hoping for the Isle Of Man. >

And the Targa Florio :-) Andy

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> > > Still waiting for someone to do Central Park and Schenley Park for > > > GPL. =/ > I'm still waiting/hoping for the Isle Of Man. > > > And the Targa Florio :-) > > Andy >

and that little track they use for the Millie Millia(Is that Targa?) Only a 1K miles right? dave henrie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/02

Nice Track. Very well done. Tricky little thing, though. Within 20 laps I was doing respectable times . . . for a FF! Looks like it has lots of racing room, too. Jim Steve Smith wrote:

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>One of the earliest--and most famous--of all U.S. "club" tracks, Willow >Springs (in the trackless desert north of L.A.), is out for GPL. You can >get it at Magnus' celebrated GPL track database: > >http://magnust.d2g.com/ > >At first blush, it looks *very* professionally done.... > >

On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:26:30 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>> > > Still waiting for someone to do Central Park and Schenley Park for >> > > GPL. =/ >> I'm still waiting/hoping for the Isle Of Man. >> > >> And the Targa Florio :-) >> >> Andy >> > and that little track they use for the Millie Millia(Is that Targa?) Only >a 1K miles right?

The Targa Florio wasn't a track it was the event(Florio's Shield). The "track"(it was just 70-something km of sicilian public road obviously) they ran it on last was called Piccolo Madonie. The Mille Miglia was run from Brescia to Rome and back, I don't know if you can call that a track or circuit exactly, you only run it once in each direction. ;) I also don't know if you can call either events "races" as such either, the events had more in common with rallying than racing, but with sportscars. In the Mille Miglia the cars were sent away with 10 minutes intervals, IIRC. In the Targa Florio they were 30 seconds(?) or a minute(?) intervals between the cars.

"Magnus Svensson" > I also don't know if you can call either events "races" as such > either, the events had more in common with rallying than racing, but > with sportscars. In the Mille Miglia the cars were sent away with 10 > minutes intervals, IIRC. In the Targa Florio they were 30 seconds(?) > or a minute(?) intervals between the cars. > Thanks for the info Magnus --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/02

By that definition, Le Mans wasn't/isn't a track, either (originally public roads). Neither Monaco, Rheims, Spa, Macau, Watkins Glen, Bridgehampton, Bremgarten, Santa Barbara, Avus, Hockenheim, Solitude, Sebring, Silverstone, Long Beach, Nassau, Caracas, the Dundrod Circuit nor the Isle of Man! Most early European racing was on public roads. In America, where we had a less suitable network of public roads, we tended to race our cars first on horse-racing ovals and later purpose-built ovals (initially wooden board tracks and later paved banked ovals), until they emerged into the unnatrual monstrosities (e.g., Talladega) they are today. In Europe, the Nurburgring was the first great natural-terrain road circuit, but as the Safety Police gained the upper hand, real tracks became increasingly miniaturized until they emerged into the unnatural monstrosities (e.g., the *new* Nurburgring) they are today. BTW, the Mille Miglia wasn't run in two different directions on the same stretch of roads; they went down the spine of the Italian peninsula from Brescia to Rome; the return trip was made along the Adriatic. And they were flagged off at one-minute intervals (the numbers on the sides of the car denoted their starting times), slowest cars first. --Steve Smith "Magnus Svensson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:26:30 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >> > > Still waiting for someone to do Central Park and Schenley Park for > >> > > GPL. =/ > >> I'm still waiting/hoping for the Isle Of Man. > >> > > >> And the Targa Florio :-) > >> > >> Andy > >> > > and that little track they use for the Millie Millia(Is that Targa?)

Only

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> >a 1K miles right? > > The Targa Florio wasn't a track it was the event(Florio's Shield). The > "track"(it was just 70-something km of sicilian public road obviously) > they ran it on last was called Piccolo Madonie. > > The Mille Miglia was run from Brescia to Rome and back, I don't know > if you can call that a track or circuit exactly, you only run it once > in each direction. ;) > > I also don't know if you can call either events "races" as such > either, the events had more in common with rallying than racing, but > with sportscars. In the Mille Miglia the cars were sent away with 10 > minutes intervals, IIRC. In the Targa Florio they were 30 seconds(?) > or a minute(?) intervals between the cars. > >

On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 14:09:01 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: Ouch! I'm owned as I expected... :) >By that definition, Le Mans wasn't/isn't a track, either (originally public >roads). Neither Monaco, Rheims, Spa, Macau, Watkins Glen, Bridgehampton, >Bremgarten, Santa Barbara, Avus, Hockenheim, Solitude, Sebring, Silverstone, >Long Beach, Nassau, Caracas, the Dundrod Circuit nor the Isle of Man! Well of course, but I thought it was extremely rudimentary compared to those, and _extremely_ long at that, certainly the preceding Madonies even moreso. I don't know, but somewhere it ceases to be a "track" when it passes a certain length and just becomes a rally stage that you run over and over(especially when there's no racing for position). There's just no way you could remember all the circuit and get any sort consistency that I think is significative for "regular" roadracing. To me, that is. :-) Not exactly stringent I'll admit readily! The Isle of Man actually falls in the same category as the Targa for me. Rallying with bikes. :) >BTW, the Mille Miglia wasn't run in two different directions on the same >stretch of roads; they went down the spine of the Italian peninsula from >Brescia to Rome; the return trip was made along the Adriatic. And they were >flagged off at one-minute intervals (the numbers on the sides of the car >denoted their starting times), slowest cars first. Duly noted, my fault.

Try here, Don http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/IsleOfMan.html Peter On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:55:31 GMT, Don Scurlock <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>[email hidden] (Jason Moyer) wrote in >news:[email hidden]: > > >> Still waiting for someone to do Central Park and Schenley Park for >> GPL. =/ >> >> Jason > > >I'm still waiting/hoping for the Isle Of Man.

On Wed, 25 Dec 2002, Steve Smith wrote: > By that definition, Le Mans wasn't/isn't a track, either (originally public > roads). Neither Monaco, Rheims, Spa, Macau, Watkins Glen, Bridgehampton, > Bremgarten, Santa Barbara, Avus, Hockenheim, Solitude, Sebring, Silverstone, > Long Beach, Nassau, Caracas, the Dundrod Circuit nor the Isle of Man! Steve, has anyone modeled the first Watkins Glen? All the roads are still there, although some of them used to be dirt and have been paved...

WOW! Great news, thanks for the info Peter. Peter Holt <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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> Try here, Don > > http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/IsleOfMan.html > > Peter > > > On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:55:31 GMT, Don Scurlock > <[email hidden]> wrote: >> I'm still waiting/hoping for the Isle Of Man.

-- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -21.72 MonsterRank 16.55

Doug, Sorry about the delayed response...look here: http://voyager.ccc.co.il/gpli/wg1948.htm -- don ------------------------------------- BAPOM Alternative Program Covers for GPL http://www.trilon.com/bapom/ "Doug Milliken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > On Wed, 25 Dec 2002, Steve Smith wrote: > > > By that definition, Le Mans wasn't/isn't a track, either (originally public > > roads). Neither Monaco, Rheims, Spa, Macau, Watkins Glen, Bridgehampton, > > Bremgarten, Santa Barbara, Avus, Hockenheim, Solitude, Sebring, Silverstone, > > Long Beach, Nassau, Caracas, the Dundrod Circuit nor the Isle of Man! > > Steve, has anyone modeled the first Watkins Glen? All the roads > are still there, although some of them used to be dirt and have > been paved... >