OT: XP Dual Boot

More way OT stuff from me, but I would rather ask it here than ask a bunch of total strangers. I found a guy locally who will give me a good price on XP Pro as long as I buy it with some other component, and I am in need of a new hard drive anyway. So I am going to get a new hard drive and put XP Pro on it. Now I am thinking that if I am going to do that anyway I may as well go dual boot so that all my old stuff will work and I will have access to it while I am figuring out how to make things work in XP. So I will leave the old drive in and leave it intact, no changes. How do I get this to work? If I make the new drive the primary drive will I get the option to install it as a dual boot or will it be oblivious to the fact that I have another drive on my system? Does the old drive's boot sector have to be modified in some way? Anything else I need to know? TIA.

I wouldn't bother with dual boot. I have yet to find something that will not run under XP. It also has a compatibility mode to help handle older titles but to date I only had to use it once. "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:auif07$7fhf7$[email hidden]...

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> More way OT stuff from me, but I would rather ask it here than ask a > bunch of total strangers. I found a guy locally who will give me a good > price on XP Pro as long as I buy it with some other component, and I am > in need of a new hard drive anyway. So I am going to get a new hard > drive and put XP Pro on it. Now I am thinking that if I am going to do > that anyway I may as well go dual boot so that all my old stuff will > work and I will have access to it while I am figuring out how to make > things work in XP. So I will leave the old drive in and leave it > intact, no changes. How do I get this to work? If I make the new drive > the primary drive will I get the option to install it as a dual boot or > will it be oblivious to the fact that I have another drive on my system? > Does the old drive's boot sector have to be modified in some way? > Anything else I need to know? TIA. >

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> > More way OT stuff from me, but I would rather ask it here than ask a > bunch of total strangers. I found a guy locally who will give me a good > price on XP Pro as long as I buy it with some other component, and I am > in need of a new hard drive anyway. So I am going to get a new hard > drive and put XP Pro on it. Now I am thinking that if I am going to do > that anyway I may as well go dual boot so that all my old stuff will > work and I will have access to it while I am figuring out how to make > things work in XP. So I will leave the old drive in and leave it > intact, no changes. How do I get this to work? If I make the new drive > the primary drive will I get the option to install it as a dual boot or > will it be oblivious to the fact that I have another drive on my system? > Does the old drive's boot sector have to be modified in some way? > Anything else I need to know? TIA.

If you're getting a good deal on WinXP with a new HD, it's most likely because he's allowed to sell you an OEM copy of WinXP when you buy certain hardware, it's the same CD but don't expect to get a big manual or anything, it will most likely be just a CD, a leaflet and the serial no, but hey, that's all you need anyways :-) As for the tech bit, no, I don't think there's an easy way to set up a dual boot with your new drive as the primary drive, if you keep the old HD as the primary drive, there's nothing that keeps you from installing WinXP to the new drive and booting to XP from that drive, the WinXP installer will write to the boot record of the old drive and you will get a menu with the choice to boot to "previous OS" or "Windows XP" when starting your PC In fact, WinXP doesn't like to share the HD, or partition actually, with another OS, it can sit happily on a different partition of the same physical drive, but if you install XP on the same partition as your previous OS, it will most likely destroy that Windows installation, I've read some place why this happens but I've since forgotten it, been there and done that, so installing them to different HD's is actually the recommended method So just let your old drive be your primary drive and install XP on the new drive when it asks where to install, if you use FAT32 your old Windows will be able to see the new drive as well, unless you're using Win2k of course as this also supports NTFS Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Schooner wrote: > > I wouldn't bother with dual boot. I have yet to find something that will > not run under XP. It also has a compatibility mode to help handle older > titles but to date I only had to use it once. I have, today actually, a kid's game called "Build boats with Mulle Mekk" :-), customer couldn't get it to run on his PC, and I tried on mine as well, complained that it needed at least 3MB of virtual memory or something :-) oh well..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Did you try the compatibility mode? I had a kids game have similar issue and that did it fine for me. "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Schooner wrote: > > > > I wouldn't bother with dual boot. I have yet to find something thatwill

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> > not run under XP. It also has a compatibility mode to help handle older > > titles but to date I only had to use it once. > > I have, today actually, a kid's game called "Build boats with Mulle > Mekk" :-), customer couldn't get it to run on his PC, and I tried on > mine as well, complained that it needed at least 3MB of virtual memory > or something :-) oh well..... > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

This is the best method probably. It doesn't allow you to remove the old drive later though if you decide that you are satisfied enough to only have 1 OS. I try not to do this, because your old hard drive is just that, old. It will fail before the new one hopefully, and you are left with an OS that you can not boot. You could create a new partition at the beginning of the new drive, and copy the partition of the old drive over to it, then install XP in the second one I suppose. That way you can resize the partition later if you remove the original OS and still have the boot info on the new drive. You can access both OS by installing the new drive as the primary drive, and installing XP on it. Then to boot to the old drive, you simply go into the bios and change the boot sequence to HDD1 instead of HDD0. You don't get the dual boot menu, but you can boot to the old OS if needed. This is assuming that your bios has this option. My EPoX 8KHA+ works this way. I have my wife's PC set up to boot on the new drive, but I have booted to the old one a few times to export settings and such from her old OS. On my machine, I have System Commander setup, and boot 2 different Windows OS's and also Linux 8.2. Glen Glen "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Haqsau wrote: > > > > More way OT stuff from me, but I would rather ask it here than ask a > > bunch of total strangers. I found a guy locally who will give me a good > > price on XP Pro as long as I buy it with some other component, and I am > > in need of a new hard drive anyway. So I am going to get a new hard > > drive and put XP Pro on it. Now I am thinking that if I am going to do > > that anyway I may as well go dual boot so that all my old stuff will > > work and I will have access to it while I am figuring out how to make > > things work in XP. So I will leave the old drive in and leave it > > intact, no changes. How do I get this to work? If I make the new drive > > the primary drive will I get the option to install it as a dual boot or > > will it be oblivious to the fact that I have another drive on my system? > > Does the old drive's boot sector have to be modified in some way? > > Anything else I need to know? TIA. > > If you're getting a good deal on WinXP with a new HD, it's most likely > because he's allowed to sell you an OEM copy of WinXP when you buy > certain hardware, it's the same CD but don't expect to get a big manual > or anything, it will most likely be just a CD, a leaflet and the serial > no, but hey, that's all you need anyways :-) > > As for the tech bit, no, I don't think there's an easy way to set up a > dual boot with your new drive as the primary drive, if you keep the old > HD as the primary drive, there's nothing that keeps you from installing > WinXP to the new drive and booting to XP from that drive, the WinXP > installer will write to the boot record of the old drive and you will > get a menu with the choice to boot to "previous OS" or "Windows XP" when > starting your PC > > In fact, WinXP doesn't like to share the HD, or partition actually, with > another OS, it can sit happily on a different partition of the same > physical drive, but if you install XP on the same partition as your > previous OS, it will most likely destroy that Windows installation, I've > read some place why this happens but I've since forgotten it, been there > and done that, so installing them to different HD's is actually the > recommended method > > So just let your old drive be your primary drive and install XP on the > new drive when it asks where to install, if you use FAT32 your old > Windows will be able to see the new drive as well, unless you're using > Win2k of course as this also supports NTFS > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

Schooner wrote: > > Did you try the compatibility mode? I had a kids game have similar issue > and that did it fine for me. Tried every trick in the book, Win95, Win98, 256 Color mode.....no go, but that's my first :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> > You can access both OS by installing the new drive as the primary drive, and > installing XP on it. Then to boot to the old drive, you simply go into the > bios and change the boot sequence to HDD1 instead of HDD0. You don't get > the dual boot menu, but you can boot to the old OS if needed. This is > assuming that your bios has this option. My EPoX 8KHA+ works this way. I > have my wife's PC set up to boot on the new drive, but I have booted to the > old one a few times to export settings and such from her old OS.

Good call, forgot that option, that would be my choice if I really felt like keeping the old HD and OS I guess Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

I believe that can be fixed with an "fdisk /mbr" from a floppy drive. I had a similar problem with a dual boot Windows/Linux system and I think that is how I fixed it. "Glen Pittman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > This is the best method probably. It doesn't allow you to remove theold > drive later though if you decide that you are satisfied enough to onlyhave > 1 OS. I try not to do this, because your old hard drive is just that,old. > It will fail before the new one hopefully, and you are left with an OSthat > you can not boot. You could create a new partition at the beginningof the > new drive, and copy the partition of the old drive over to it, theninstall > XP in the second one I suppose. That way you can resize the partitionlater > if you remove the original OS and still have the boot info on the newdrive. >

I've set up several dual-boot systems and it's surprising easy to do... I just wiped my Win98SE/Win2K/WinXP triple-boot to go solo with XP. The tri-boot sounds silly, but if WinXP is running NTFS and goes south, then Win2K can recover files... which Win98SE can't do. I should also say that Win2K still seems like the best internet OS. I'm not very knowledgable in the subject, but out of the three, Win2K puts up with me downloading files at 225KBs while burning a CD-RW on an old 733PIII... (good multi-tasking?) When you set up XP, go for advanced set-up (i believe it's called), it allows you to select the partition that you want to install it on. (and I have fixed the mbr after reinstalling Win98SE in a dual-boot) Or Glen's method sounds pretty good too. I know my BIOS supports it, but I never even thought of it... Wtg One concern for me... my XP install on an AMD has stopped all of it's bad nature since going with a single OS. Don't know if it was related to D-B, but it makes me wonder... Good luck! "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:auif07$7fhf7$[email hidden]... > ...snip....

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> More way OT stuff from me, but I would rather ask it here than ask a > bunch of total strangers. I found a guy locally who will give me a good > price on XP Pro as long as I buy it with some other component, and I am > in need of a new hard drive anyway. So I am going to get a new hard > drive and put XP Pro on it. Now I am thinking that if I am going to do > that anyway I may as well go dual boot so that all my old stuff will > work and I will have access to it while I am figuring out how to make > things work in XP. So I will leave the old drive in and leave it > intact, no changes. How do I get this to work? If I make the new drive > the primary drive will I get the option to install it as a dual boot or > will it be oblivious to the fact that I have another drive on my system? > Does the old drive's boot sector have to be modified in some way? > Anything else I need to know? TIA.

I think you probably already have all the answers you need, but I will put in my 2 cents worth. First, I agree with one of the responses to consider not messing with dual boot and going with XP all the way. You can run the compatiblity wizard from the XP CD to help find out if you have any software that might not run on XP. Second, if you go the dual boot rout, you will want your current win9x os on your main system drive. Put the new drive in as slave, and boot up with the XP cd, and from the new install setup screen you can format and partition that new slave drive and install XP on it. I would highly recommend using the NTFS file system. Lastly, be aware you are getting XP cheaper because it is an OEM version - that is why he can sell it to you with a piece of hardware. However, any support for XP will have to come from the vendor you are buying it from, not from MS. Also, OEM versions once activated are tied to that specific motherboard/system. Technically, you would not be able to install that version on another system should you replace yours, or even on a new motherboard. Disclaimer= Yes, I know there are ways out there around this, just stating how it is designed to work :). Personally, if it were me, I would run the compatibility wizard first - you can even download it from MS if you want to go ahead and run it - and see if you have any hardware/software that may cause trouble. Be sure and download XP drivers for your hardware you have if available. If all checks out pretty good at this point, I would put that new drive in as Master, change the current drive to Slave, set the bios to boot from the cd, boot with the XP cd, select new install, and format and partition that new drive and install XP. Then, from windows, you can go and format and partition that slave drive however you want it - just be sure and save any important data files first :). Hope this helps, Don Burnette -- Don Burnette

This all sounds like good advice. Once apona time when I only had one pc I had a quad boot system (5 if you included Dos:-) which got quite confusing. For my 3 desktop pc's and laptop I'm now using XP Pro which is by far the best desktop OS yet and so far has been able to run everthing I've tried. If like me you do need to boot into another OS (it's a work thing for me) nowadays I use VMware which I think is just fab. You can have a whole OS running either full screen or in a window within windows! Ceratainly worth a go and much simpler than having a multi boot system. I put mine on a removeable drive so I can take a whole OS from work to home which is far easier than lugging about a whole PC! Some Call Me Tim

Edit the game's PIF for XMS or EMS allocations. Details are available in Help and Support by doing a Search for "PIF" without the quotes. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Schooner wrote: > > > > Did you try the compatibility mode? I had a kids game have similar > > issue > > and that did it fine for me. > > Tried every trick in the book, Win95, Win98, 256 Color mode.....no go, > but that's my first :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

When you do whatever you decide to do, use the Files and Settings Transfer wizard off the XP CD to pick up all your, um, files (including Outlook Express' Store) and settings. FAST doesn't do passwords or rules, but you'll get all the rest of it. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:auj0a6$7krtq$[email hidden]... > I believe that can be fixed with an "fdisk /mbr" from a floppy drive. I > had a similar problem with a dual boot Windows/Linux system and I think > that is how I fixed it. > > > "Glen Pittman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > This is the best method probably. It doesn't allow you to remove the > old > > drive later though if you decide that you are satisfied enough to only > have > > 1 OS. I try not to do this, because your old hard drive is just that, > old. > > It will fail before the new one hopefully, and you are left with an OS > that > > you can not boot. You could create a new partition at the beginning > of the > > new drive, and copy the partition of the old drive over to it, then > install > > XP in the second one I suppose. That way you can resize the partition > later > > if you remove the original OS and still have the boot info on the new > drive. > > >

In article <auif07$7fhf7$[email hidden]>, Haqsau <[email hidden]> writes

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>More way OT stuff from me, but I would rather ask it here than ask a >bunch of total strangers. I found a guy locally who will give me a good >price on XP Pro as long as I buy it with some other component, and I am >in need of a new hard drive anyway. So I am going to get a new hard >drive and put XP Pro on it. Now I am thinking that if I am going to do >that anyway I may as well go dual boot so that all my old stuff will >work and I will have access to it while I am figuring out how to make >things work in XP. So I will leave the old drive in and leave it >intact, no changes. How do I get this to work? If I make the new drive >the primary drive will I get the option to install it as a dual boot or >will it be oblivious to the fact that I have another drive on my system? >Does the old drive's boot sector have to be modified in some way? >Anything else I need to know? TIA. >

Thought I might as well add my 2cents. XP is so easy to install dual boot from, as long as the previous o/s is already installed, as in your case. Just pop the cd in whilst in your current o/s and select install and then, when it asks where to install, tell it the new drive. Everything else will then be done automatically. -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

In article <[email hidden]>, Glen Pittman <[email hidden]> writes

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>You can access both OS by installing the new drive as the primary drive, and >installing XP on it. Then to boot to the old drive, you simply go into the >bios and change the boot sequence to HDD1 instead of HDD0. You don't >get >the dual boot menu, but you can boot to the old OS if needed. This is >assuming that your bios has this option. My EPoX 8KHA+ works this way. I >have my wife's PC set up to boot on the new drive, but I have booted to the >old one a few times to export settings and such from her old OS. >

I have this option in my BIOS, but never realised this would work. Are they both on the same ide port? If so, then is there no problem with the master/slave settings? -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

"Chris H." wrote: > > Edit the game's PIF for XMS or EMS allocations. Details are available in > Help and Support by doing a Search for "PIF" without the quotes. Ah, ok, so not EVERY trick in the book :-), too late, I gave them another kid's game instead and they wandered happily off, I might still try this to see how it works though, thx a bunch Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Oh, there is TONS of stuff that won't run under XP. A lot of people need dual-boot for this very reason. Larry "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8d3P9.231192$[email hidden]...

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> I wouldn't bother with dual boot. I have yet to find something that will > not run under XP. It also has a compatibility mode to help handle older > titles but to date I only had to use it once. > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:auif07$7fhf7$[email hidden]... > > More way OT stuff from me, but I would rather ask it here than ask a > > bunch of total strangers. I found a guy locally who will give me a good > > price on XP Pro as long as I buy it with some other component, and I am > > in need of a new hard drive anyway. So I am going to get a new hard > > drive and put XP Pro on it. Now I am thinking that if I am going to do > > that anyway I may as well go dual boot so that all my old stuff will > > work and I will have access to it while I am figuring out how to make > > things work in XP. So I will leave the old drive in and leave it > > intact, no changes. How do I get this to work? If I make the new drive > > the primary drive will I get the option to install it as a dual boot or > > will it be oblivious to the fact that I have another drive on my system? > > Does the old drive's boot sector have to be modified in some way? > > Anything else I need to know? TIA. > > > >

If you have the inclination, the TRIOS will take care of this. It provides true hardware switching between hard drives and is relatively cheap. Larry "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Haqsau wrote: > > > > More way OT stuff from me, but I would rather ask it here than ask a > > bunch of total strangers. I found a guy locally who will give me a good > > price on XP Pro as long as I buy it with some other component, and I am > > in need of a new hard drive anyway. So I am going to get a new hard > > drive and put XP Pro on it. Now I am thinking that if I am going to do > > that anyway I may as well go dual boot so that all my old stuff will > > work and I will have access to it while I am figuring out how to make > > things work in XP. So I will leave the old drive in and leave it > > intact, no changes. How do I get this to work? If I make the new drive > > the primary drive will I get the option to install it as a dual boot or > > will it be oblivious to the fact that I have another drive on my system? > > Does the old drive's boot sector have to be modified in some way? > > Anything else I need to know? TIA. > > If you're getting a good deal on WinXP with a new HD, it's most likely > because he's allowed to sell you an OEM copy of WinXP when you buy > certain hardware, it's the same CD but don't expect to get a big manual > or anything, it will most likely be just a CD, a leaflet and the serial > no, but hey, that's all you need anyways :-) > > As for the tech bit, no, I don't think there's an easy way to set up a > dual boot with your new drive as the primary drive, if you keep the old > HD as the primary drive, there's nothing that keeps you from installing > WinXP to the new drive and booting to XP from that drive, the WinXP > installer will write to the boot record of the old drive and you will > get a menu with the choice to boot to "previous OS" or "Windows XP" when > starting your PC > > In fact, WinXP doesn't like to share the HD, or partition actually, with > another OS, it can sit happily on a different partition of the same > physical drive, but if you install XP on the same partition as your > previous OS, it will most likely destroy that Windows installation, I've > read some place why this happens but I've since forgotten it, been there > and done that, so installing them to different HD's is actually the > recommended method > > So just let your old drive be your primary drive and install XP on the > new drive when it asks where to install, if you use FAT32 your old > Windows will be able to see the new drive as well, unless you're using > Win2k of course as this also supports NTFS > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5rAP9.87840$[email hidden]... > Oh, there is TONS of stuff that won't run under XP. A lot of people need > dual-boot for this very reason. > > Larry I have WIN98SE and am considering upgrading to XP. I'm pretty vanilla user (checkbook program, MS Office, etc.) with th exception of my devotion to hardcore sims. I have a Logitech MOMO and Act Labs High Performance pedals. For me, are there any downsides to upgrading?

"Joe Blow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > Larry > > I have WIN98SE and am considering upgrading to XP. I'm pretty vanilla user > (checkbook program, MS Office, etc.) with th exception of my devotion to > hardcore sims. I have a Logitech MOMO and Act Labs High Performancepedals. > > For me, are there any downsides to upgrading? > the loss of 100 to 200 Dollars. It sounds like you have a system that already meets your needs. Unless you have a home network or programs that demand huge amounts of RAM(like photo/video editing), you won't see any benefit performance-wise moving to xp. You might see a few less lockups. and less hangs when shutting down your system, but for simming itself...you won't magically gain 10fps on on every title because you moved to xp. And your drivers and such may all have to be updated. Folks here will know I'm not a big fan of BUYING xp. If it was pre-installed on a new system then great, I would go for it...but to spend money replacing an already functioning OS seems crazy to me. Take the $$ that XP would cost and upgrade your CPU. dave henrie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02

If there isn't a compelling reason (like work or specific written-for-XP programs) and what you have works for you in a satisfactory manner now, don't purchase Windows XP. Or, if you do and you have a regular Win98SE CD (not the OEM "repair" version) you can save money in the purchase of the Upgrade edition. There's a comparison guide between the two editions (Pro and Home) here: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp and you can check out the upgrade possibilities for your system here: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/upgrading/advisor.asp -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone "Joe Blow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:M8GP9.9059$[email hidden]... > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5rAP9.87840$[email hidden]... > > Oh, there is TONS of stuff that won't run under XP. A lot of people > > need > > dual-boot for this very reason. > > > > Larry > > I have WIN98SE and am considering upgrading to XP. I'm pretty vanilla user > (checkbook program, MS Office, etc.) with th exception of my devotion to > hardcore sims. I have a Logitech MOMO and Act Labs High Performance > pedals. > > For me, are there any downsides to upgrading? > >

Does FAST come with the full version? That sounds like a feature of the Upgrade version. "Chris H." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > When you do whatever you decide to do, use the Files and SettingsTransfer

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> wizard off the XP CD to pick up all your, um, files (including Outlook > Express' Store) and settings. FAST doesn't do passwords or rules, but > you'll get all the rest of it. > -- > Chris H. > Microsoft Windows MVP > Associate Expert > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:auj0a6$7krtq$[email hidden]... > > I believe that can be fixed with an "fdisk /mbr" from a floppy

drive. I > > had a similar problem with a dual boot Windows/Linux system and Ithink > > that is how I fixed it. > > > > > > "Glen Pittman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > This is the best method probably. It doesn't allow you to removethe > > old > > > drive later though if you decide that you are satisfied enough toonly > > have > > > 1 OS. I try not to do this, because your old hard drive is justthat, > > old. > > > It will fail before the new one hopefully, and you are left withan OS > > that > > > you can not boot. You could create a new partition at thebeginning > > of the > > > new drive, and copy the partition of the old drive over to it,then > > install > > > XP in the second one I suppose. That way you can resize thepartition > > later > > > if you remove the original OS and still have the boot info on thenew > > drive. > > > > > >

Haqsau wrote: > > Does FAST come with the full version? That sounds like a feature of the > Upgrade version. What I was being told at a MS seminar is that there is no difference between the two except for the installer in the upgrade version looking for a previously installed copy of Windows or a Windows CD.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Okay thanks. Next question - at this point, based on all the feedback here and the fact that my son has had XP Pro for several months and had zero problems with it, I think I am going to skip the dual boot thing, but keep the old drive as secondary so that I can pick the data off of it as I see fit. Now in that scenario can I still use FAST to pick up all the settings and the OE store from the old drive? "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > What I was being told at a MS seminar is that there is no difference > between the two except for the installer in the upgrade versionlooking

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> for a previously installed copy of Windows or a Windows CD.... > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx--

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> > Okay thanks. Next question - at this point, based on all the feedback > here and the fact that my son has had XP Pro for several months and had > zero problems with it, I think I am going to skip the dual boot thing, > but keep the old drive as secondary so that I can pick the data off of > it as I see fit. Now in that scenario can I still use FAST to pick up > all the settings and the OE store from the old drive?

My guess would be yes, but I've never actually used it myself so I'd wait until Larry or Chris or someone else confirms this before making a decision Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

You really aren't specific enough. What VERSIONS of the programs? What checkbook program? Office 97 can be VERY problematic under XP. Heck, any version of Office can be problematic, but that's beside the point :) Oh, and btw... 'Upgrading' is never a good idea. When making a major OS change like this, always back up your data, format the drive, and install the OS fresh. If you don't, you'll be chasing little (and big) problems forever. Larry "Joe Blow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:M8GP9.9059$[email hidden]... > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5rAP9.87840$[email hidden]... > > Oh, there is TONS of stuff that won't run under XP. A lot of peopleneed

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> > dual-boot for this very reason. > > > > Larry > > I have WIN98SE and am considering upgrading to XP. I'm pretty vanilla user > (checkbook program, MS Office, etc.) with th exception of my devotion to > hardcore sims. I have a Logitech MOMO and Act Labs High Performance

pedals. > > For me, are there any downsides to upgrading? > >

Thar be some wisdom in Henrie's rantings... :) -Larry "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GgGP9.492010$WL3.127366@rwcrnsc54... > > "Joe Blow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > Larry > > > > I have WIN98SE and am considering upgrading to XP. I'm pretty vanillauser

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> > (checkbook program, MS Office, etc.) with th exception of my devotion to > > hardcore sims. I have a Logitech MOMO and Act Labs High Performance > pedals. > > > > For me, are there any downsides to upgrading? > > > the loss of 100 to 200 Dollars. > > It sounds like you have a system that already meets your needs.

Unless > you have a home network or programs that demand huge amounts of RAM(like > photo/video editing), you won't see any benefit performance-wise moving to > xp. You might see a few less lockups. and less hangs when shutting down > your system, but for simming itself...you won't magically gain 10fps onon

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> every title because you moved to xp. And your drivers and such may all > have to be updated. > Folks here will know I'm not a big fan of BUYING xp. If it was > pre-installed on a new system then great, I would go for it...but to spend > money replacing an already functioning OS seems crazy to me. Take the $$ > that XP would cost and upgrade your CPU. > dave henrie > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02 > >

Yes, you sure can. I'd create a logical partition for your data on the "old" drive you're going to be using as the secondary, give it a drive letter like G or something which won't goof up the normal C: of your new first hard drive Primary partition sequence, plus CD-ROM (etc.) drives. Then run your Windows XP CD on the existing hard drive, saving the FAST info to the G:\Storage area. Once you install the new hard drive, you can add the second drive back to the system and access/import the FAST information. There's a pretty good article (with a couple additional links) here: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/columns/crawford/november12.asp -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:auputb$96e5m$[email hidden]... > Okay thanks. Next question - at this point, based on all the feedback > here and the fact that my son has had XP Pro for several months and had > zero problems with it, I think I am going to skip the dual boot thing, > but keep the old drive as secondary so that I can pick the data off of > it as I see fit. Now in that scenario can I still use FAST to pick up > all the settings and the OE store from the old drive?

Well I think I flummoxed it pretty good. I decided to go ahead and do it last night, before I saw this reply. I put the new drive in as primary and the old drive as secondary, booted from the XP CD, and everything seemed to work. But for some reason XP decided to make the new drive E: and the old drive C:, and it also picked up the PATH settings from the previous Windows install, in spite of the fact that I did not boot from that drive or even ask XP to look at it. Now with this setup I could not figure out how to get FAST to do what I wanted since it does not seem to want to transfer between two drives on one computer, but that was not a major problem since I copied my IE favorites over and used the OE import wizards to bring my address book and e-mail folders over. The only difficult part was that I could not get OE to import the old mail and news account data so I had to recreate that manually. Everything is more or less working now, but I am a bit concerned about the drive letters. If I ever decide to take the old drive out and put it in a different machine (which was part of the long term plan) I think I am going to hose the XP installation. Any advice? "Chris H." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yes, you sure can. I'd create a logical partition for your data on the > "old" drive you're going to be using as the secondary, give it a drive > letter like G or something which won't goof up the normal C: of your new > first hard drive Primary partition sequence, plus CD-ROM (etc.) drives. > Then run your Windows XP CD on the existing hard drive, saving the FASTinfo > to the G:\Storage area. Once you install the new hard drive, you can add > the second drive back to the system and access/import the FASTinformation. > There's a pretty good article (with a couple additional links) here: >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/columns/crawford/november12.as p > -- > Chris H. > Microsoft Windows MVP > Associate Expert > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone >

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>Well I think I flummoxed it pretty good. I decided to go ahead and do it >last night, before I saw this reply. I put the new drive in as primary and >the old drive as secondary, booted from the XP CD, and everything seemed to >work. But for some reason XP decided to make the new drive E: and the old >drive C:, and it also picked up the PATH settings from the previous Windows >install, in spite of the fact that I did not boot from that drive or even >ask XP to look at it. Now with this setup I could not figure out how to get >FAST to do what I wanted since it does not seem to want to transfer between >two drives on one computer, but that was not a major problem since I copied >my IE favorites over and used the OE import wizards to bring my address book >and e-mail folders over. The only difficult part was that I could not get >OE to import the old mail and news account data so I had to recreate that >manually. Everything is more or less working now, but I am a bit concerned >about the drive letters. If I ever decide to take the old drive out and put >it in a different machine (which was part of the long term plan) I think I >am going to hose the XP installation. Any advice?

Windows XP will 'flummox' the drive designation every time if it sees another hard drive. I normally INSTALL with only one HD connected at installation, but I think I've gotten around it. If you get into the installation up to picking the drive you want to install to, create the drive, it'll say something like New (RAW). At this point, F3 out completely. Reinsert your CD and go thru again up to picking the partition, and I think the choice will be C:\ for the originally created partition. I use Partition Boot Manager to multi-boot two identical installs of the same XP Pro, one for gaming that can't even SEE the other, and a 'work' partition I don't install games, test video card drivers, stuff like that. From the work partition I set it so I can SEE the game partition so I can copy files to it, etc., so if I'm in the work partition, read some NG tip, I can download to the game partition and later, boot to it and do whatever. Check out PBM at http://www.sadevelopment.com You might read the part of the documentation regarding installing Windows XP where you'll see an explanations of what I tried to say above. As I recall it's explained much better there than my attempt. I do it automatically now because having XP installed on something other that C:\ doesn't work for this old DOS guy. I want my partitions ordered the old fashioned way, dammit!!

I'd back out of what you've got already, so you don't get in too deep. Then begin again so you don't have too much to build back up. The Windows XP CD can run FAST on the "old" C: drive, save your settings to your G: or whatever, then pull that hard drive. Putting in the new hard drive, the system won't see by one, and you'll be able to install to the C: drive there, etc., etc. When you return to FAST, your XP install will be the "new" system, and the G: drive will be the location of the "old." What's really nifty with FAST is you can bring over the data files for your games (I've had the directory structure reproduced for GPL, including my saved files, etc.) and all you need do is install the game on the new hard drive. Everything else is picked up. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well I think I flummoxed it pretty good. I decided to go ahead and do it > last night, before I saw this reply. I put the new drive in as primary > and > the old drive as secondary, booted from the XP CD, and everything seemed > to > work. But for some reason XP decided to make the new drive E: and the old > drive C:, and it also picked up the PATH settings from the previous > Windows > install, in spite of the fact that I did not boot from that drive or even > ask XP to look at it. Now with this setup I could not figure out how to > get > FAST to do what I wanted since it does not seem to want to transfer > between > two drives on one computer, but that was not a major problem since I > copied > my IE favorites over and used the OE import wizards to bring my address > book > and e-mail folders over. The only difficult part was that I could not get > OE to import the old mail and news account data so I had to recreate that > manually. Everything is more or less working now, but I am a bit > concerned > about the drive letters. If I ever decide to take the old drive out and > put > it in a different machine (which was part of the long term plan) I think I > am going to hose the XP installation. Any advice? > > > "Chris H." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Yes, you sure can. I'd create a logical partition for your data on the > > "old" drive you're going to be using as the secondary, give it a drive > > letter like G or something which won't goof up the normal C: of your new > > first hard drive Primary partition sequence, plus CD-ROM (etc.) drives. > > Then run your Windows XP CD on the existing hard drive, saving the FAST > info > > to the G:\Storage area. Once you install the new hard drive, you can > > add > > the second drive back to the system and access/import the FAST > information. > > There's a pretty good article (with a couple additional links) here: > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/columns/crawford/november12.as > p > > -- > > Chris H. > > Microsoft Windows MVP > > Associate Expert > > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone > > > >

Unfortunately I already spent a full day getting everything working with this set up and am not anxious to do it again. Is it possible, after I eventually transfer the old (currently C:) drive to another computer to just convince the remaining drive that it is still E:? "Chris H." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'd back out of what you've got already, so you don't get in too deep.Then > begin again so you don't have too much to build back up. The Windows XPCD

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> can run FAST on the "old" C: drive, save your settings to your G: or > whatever, then pull that hard drive. Putting in the new hard drive, the > system won't see by one, and you'll be able to install to the C: drive > there, etc., etc. When you return to FAST, your XP install will be the > "new" system, and the G: drive will be the location of the "old." What's > really nifty with FAST is you can bring over the data files for your games > (I've had the directory structure reproduced for GPL, including my saved > files, etc.) and all you need do is install the game on the new hard

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> Everything else is picked up. > -- > Chris H. > Microsoft Windows MVP > Associate Expert > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone >

what you need for certain is to lose all you have....the whole lot.. that shows you every time that nothing is priceless,all can be replaced and you end up never remembering what you had on the first time that was sooooooo special. each time i format,i save nothing.....and i miss nothing.....100's of sites in my faves list...they get replaced by another list with 100's in it. old emails i saved...what for..???..never miss 1 of them... The fact remains here that you have not made the right decision....you should have and still can do VERY easily install a fresh copy of your o/s onto that new drive. You will regret it...you can bet any money you like on that. The sooner you realise that anything and everything on that pc is dispensible the better....instead of the thought that you you just HAVE to save stuff at all cost. Anything that was worth saving from any of my pc installs was immediatly backed up onto cd at source,like digi pics of family,events,pets who then died etc etc. All games,apps,files,websites were easily replaced. Not having a go...just saying that until my first mega majot crach when i lost alot i thought as you seem to be thinking.,but i learned from it :) AD

I can relate to what you are saying but at this point the time element of having to redo everything is the problem. So I could also turn the argument around and say if nothing is that priceless then I can live with things the way they are now and just reformat in 6 months or whenever I get around to putting the old drive into a different computer. I might have the time to do it then, I don't right now. The argument works both ways, doesn't it? :o) "Aidee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:auv8ip$h65$[email hidden]... > what you need for certain is to lose all you have....the whole lot.. > > that shows you every time that nothing is priceless,all can be replacedand > you end up never remembering what you had on the first time that was > sooooooo special. > > each time i format,i save nothing.....and i miss nothing.....100's ofsites

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> in my faves list...they get replaced by another list with 100's in it. > > old emails i saved...what for..???..never miss 1 of them... > > The fact remains here that you have not made the right decision....you > should have and still can do VERY easily install a fresh copy of your o/s > onto that new drive. > > You will regret it...you can bet any money you like on that. > > The sooner you realise that anything and everything on that pc is > dispensible the better....instead of the thought that you you just HAVE to > save stuff at all cost. > > Anything that was worth saving from any of my pc installs was immediatly > backed up onto cd at source,like digi pics of family,events,pets who then > died etc etc. > > All games,apps,files,websites were easily replaced. > > Not having a go...just saying that until my first mega majot crach when i > lost alot i thought as you seem to be thinking.,but i learned from it > > :) > > AD > >

Sure does mate...was only attempting to reassure ;) AD

You may want to look at "assign, change" (without quotes) in Help and Support for information on assigning or changing a drive letter. At the present time, you won't be able to change it because the install already has recognized a C: drive. -- Chris H. Microsoft Windows MVP Associate Expert Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Unfortunately I already spent a full day getting everything working with > this set up and am not anxious to do it again. Is it possible, after I > eventually transfer the old (currently C:) drive to another computer to > just > convince the remaining drive that it is still E:?