Microsoft wheel

windows xp system Sidewinder force feedback wheel USB software version 4.0 I installed the software. In the Sidewinder Control panel I select the wheel and it recognizes it but when I select properties I get an error message that memory is full or a component may be missing. So I uninstalled the software then reinstalled it. and the same thing. I installed nascar 2003 and got the wheel to work but the six buttons on the wheel don't work. The button setup is in the Sidewinder control, properties I think but I cant get there. Anyone having this problem.

Have you tried to run windows XP update? The reason I ask is, I have the MS FF with the serial cable hooked up on a second pc and the software won't install on XP. So I ran windows update and there was a install for the wheel and it works fine. "Dennis Croll" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> windows xp system > > Sidewinder force feedback wheel USB > software version 4.0 > > I installed the software. In the Sidewinder Control panel I select the > wheel and it recognizes it but when I select properties I get an error > message that memory is full or a component may be missing. So I > uninstalled the software then reinstalled it. and the same thing. I > installed nascar 2003 and got the wheel to work but the six buttons on the > wheel don't work. The button setup is in the Sidewinder control, > properties I think but I cant get there. Anyone having this problem. >

Known issue. No known resolution that I know of. MS hasn't updated the sidewinder software, EVER, for this wheel, yet they gave it HWQL certification for XP even though it still says for 95/98 only when installed. I guess when you own the hardware 'quality' lab you can do whatever you want. -Larry "Dennis Croll" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> windows xp system > > Sidewinder force feedback wheel USB > software version 4.0 > > I installed the software. In the Sidewinder Control panel I select the > wheel and it recognizes it but when I select properties I get an error > message that memory is full or a component may be missing. So I > uninstalled the software then reinstalled it. and the same thing. I > installed nascar 2003 and got the wheel to work but the six buttons on the > wheel don't work. The button setup is in the Sidewinder control, > properties I think but I cant get there. Anyone having this problem. >

I had some problems with my MSFF wheel and I got them solved by installing DXTweak2 Software (from Logotech, but works with any wheel). Maybe this helps you too. You have to google to find it, but it's easy to find. Rolf

Larry wrote: > Known issue. No known resolution that I know of. The game port Sidewinder wheel works fine with XP as long as you actually have a game port - the game port to USB adapters won't work. The Sidewinder software however will not work with XP. From memory it even tells you that if you try to install it. Just plug the wheel in, fire up the PC and add a "Microsoft SideWinder (Auto Detect)" game controller through the Control Panel. You can't program the buttons without the Sidewinder software but most games these days let you do that through their own configs. I passed my old game port Sidewinder to a friend who has been using it successfully with XP and NR2003, LfS, rFactor, etc. for a few years. -- Mr Q -------------------

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:29:48 +1100, Mr Q wrote: > You can't program the buttons without the Sidewinder software but most > games these days let you do that through their own configs. Yea, I don't install the software for my MS wheel either as XP comes with the drivers built in but that means I have to always used combined axis pedals too.

Technically you all are at least half wrong from my experience in Sidewinder and monitoring this beard of the last 5 years... I have knowledge that something in windows XP service pak2 screws up the installation, (something to do with scripting that was an open hole for security). If you have a PreService pack 2 install disk, install the wheel before you do win updates. Hell I even got this wheel (sidewinder FF wheel) working under RC1 of vista, by installing the wheel before I did the upgrades for xp, then installed the trial version of Vista as an "upgrade"... Yes, in any case, XP did warn you it was not software for "your version of windows", but we go ahead and install it and all the profiles anyway. But I repeat something in ServicePack2 ruins the ability to change profiles from inside the controlpanel appication that is in use when you install the driver and profiles. I do not know the work around if you get everything on SP2, I do know you cannot mess with the particulars of profiles but I was sure you could select one & load one if you had one. if you need one pick the GPL or get a profile from a buddy. I created the one I use, from the GPL one supplied, with seperate pedals and all that. this allowed me to race GPL, RBR, GTR, GTLegends, NRO3 and some others without changing the profile all the time. It aint as great as changing for each game, but this way all the games are relatively the same to me, the way I like it... RAID!!! wrote:

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> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:29:48 +1100, Mr Q wrote: > > >> You can't program the buttons without the Sidewinder software but >> most games these days let you do that through their own configs. > > Yea, I don't install the software for my MS wheel either as XP comes > with the drivers built in but that means I have to always used > combined axis pedals too.

Lemme rephrase 2 things... Plowboy wrote: > Technically you all are at least half wrong from my experience in > Sidewinder and monitoring this beard of the last 5 years... this word here that I typo' d ^^should been BOARD

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> I have knowledge that something in windows XP service pak2 screws up > the installation, (something to do with scripting that was an open > hole for security). If you have a PreService pack 2 install disk, > install the wheel before you do win updates. Hell I even got this > wheel (sidewinder FF wheel) working under RC1 of vista, by installing > the wheel before I did the upgrades for xp, then installed the trial > version of Vista as an "upgrade"... > > Yes, in any case, XP did warn you it was not software for "your > version of windows", but we go ahead and install it and all the > profiles anyway.

YOu can install and half heartedly use the "profier app" if you have SP2 already built in on your version of XP, But I repeat something in ServicePack2 ruins the ability to change profiles from inside the controlpanel appication that is in use when you install the driver and profiles, ONLY if you install SIDEWINDER software, after XP service Pack 2 is INSTALLED... > I do not know the work around after you allow XP to install the drivers > and software, after XP is patched to SP2. But I do know you cannot mess > with the particulars of profiles but I was sure you could "select a known > good profile" &use it, if you had one. If you need one to test my theory, pick the GPL or get a profile from a buddy. AGAIN you cant get in to see what the settins are or anything, but you would at least have controls setup seperate etc. I recomend maybe find a POS 98 machine install the SW temporarily to harvest profiles? <<that would be the hard way>> I created the one I use, from the GPL one supplied, with seperate pedals and all that. this allowed

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> me to race GPL, RBR, GTR, GTLegends, NRO3 and some others without > changing the profile all the time. It aint as great as changing for > each game, but this way all the games are relatively the same to me, > the way I like it... > RAID!!! wrote: >> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:29:48 +1100, Mr Q wrote: >> >> >>> You can't program the buttons without the Sidewinder software but >>> most games these days let you do that through their own configs. >> >> Yea, I don't install the software for my MS wheel either as XP comes >> with the drivers built in but that means I have to always used >> combined axis pedals too.

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> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:29:48 +1100, Mr Q wrote: > > >> You can't program the buttons without the Sidewinder software but most >> games these days let you do that through their own configs. > > Yea, I don't install the software for my MS wheel either as XP comes with > the drivers built in but that means I have to always used combined axis > pedals too.

Unless it changed in later versions of XP the default Sidewinder wheel setup was for separate axis. -- Mr Q -------------------

Plowboy wrote: > Technically you all are at least half wrong from my experience in Sidewinder > and monitoring this beard of the last 5 years... > > I have knowledge that something in windows XP service pak2 No idea about half what you wrote, but can say from experience that if you plug the wheel in and DO NOT install the Sidewinder software it all works quite well. You cannot make different profiles for different games but most games let you set the controls in their own configs anyway. -- Mr Q -------------------

He does not have the gameport version. He has the USB version as noted in the original post. "Sidewinder force feedback wheel USB software version 4.0 " He is talking about the crash issues within the profiler, which is a known issue caused by some MS windows update that has not yet been identified (that I know of). -Larry "Mr Q" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4558e38f$0$21086$[email hidden]...

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> Larry wrote: >> Known issue. No known resolution that I know of. > > The game port Sidewinder wheel works fine with XP as long as you actually > have a game port - the game port to USB adapters won't work. > > The Sidewinder software however will not work with XP. From memory it even > tells you that if you try to install it. > > Just plug the wheel in, fire up the PC and add a "Microsoft SideWinder > (Auto Detect)" game controller through the Control Panel. > > You can't program the buttons without the Sidewinder software but most > games these days let you do that through their own configs. > > I passed my old game port Sidewinder to a friend who has been using it > successfully with XP and NR2003, LfS, rFactor, etc. for a few years. > > -- > > Mr Q > -------------------

Mr Q, You able to seperate the brake and throttle axis? Last person I helped with installing the sidewinder wheel found he could not seperate the wheel without the profiler sidewinder stuff. But someone might have figurued out a way around that? BTW, this makes a helluva difference in many racing games, being able to touch the brakes yet not lift the throttle... Mr Q enlightened us with:

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> Plowboy wrote: >> Technically you all are at least half wrong from my experience in >> Sidewinder and monitoring this beard of the last 5 years... >> >> I have knowledge that something in windows XP service pak2 > > No idea about half what you wrote, but can say from experience that if > you plug the wheel in and DO NOT install the Sidewinder software it > all works quite well. You cannot make different profiles for > different games but most games let you set the controls in their own > configs anyway. > -- > > Mr Q > -------------------

Plowboy wrote: > You able to seperate the brake and throttle axis? Last person I helped with > installing the sidewinder wheel found he could not seperate the wheel > without the profiler sidewinder stuff. But someone might have figurued out > a way around that? It's been a while since I used it but I'm fairly certain it showed up as separate axis. The problem at the time was that some games (the early Need for Speeds, etc.) wouldn't recognise the separate axis. Worked ok on most of the good stuff though - Papyrus sims, etc. I passed the wheel onto a friend who is still using it. I'll get him to check and confirm. -- Mr Q -------------------

Larry wrote: > He does not have the gameport version. He has the USB version as noted in > the original post. D'oh! USB. :P Does it also work without the profiler software? It's a shame Microsoft seemed to just completely abandon support for their controllers. -- Mr Q -------------------

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:15:13 +1100, Mr Q wrote: > Unless it changed in later versions of XP the default Sidewinder wheel > setup was for separate axis. No, it's not. That would be stupid of them as there are some games that won't even work if you use seperate axis. Default is combined axis.

RAID!!! wrote: > ... there are some games that > won't even work if you use seperate axis. Yes, that's what I meant by "some games (the early Need for Speeds, etc.) wouldn't recognise the separate axis". > Default is combined axis. If you're using the gameport version under XP (as described in my previous post, not the USB version from the OP) then there is no default (that implies a choice), there is only the separate axis. Just double checked this and it's definitely correct. -- Mr Q -------------------

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:44:01 +1100, Mr Q wrote: > If you're using the gameport version under XP (as described in my > previous post, not the USB version from the OP) then there is no default > (that implies a choice), there is only the separate axis. Just double > checked this and it's definitely correct. Mine are USB and I'm not using the Microsoft software, just what comes with XP. I have no option to change axis and it is just combined axis. That's good enough for me.

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> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:44:01 +1100, Mr Q wrote: > > >> If you're using the gameport version under XP (as described in my >> previous post, not the USB version from the OP) then there is no default >> (that implies a choice), there is only the separate axis. Just double >> checked this and it's definitely correct. > > Mine are USB and I'm not using the Microsoft software, just what comes with > XP. I have no option to change axis and it is just combined axis. That's > good enough for me.

Fair enough. I guess the gameport and USB ones are different using the built in XP drivers. The separate axis is probably more useful, even at the expense of a few older games not working. Still, you can't change it (can't on the gameport version either) so ... :) -- Mr Q -------------------