Question Regarding F12002 and "stuttering in the rain"

Anyone have a fix for this ? Whenever it rains I get this stuttering effect; mostly when cornering. I have tried 30.82 drivers and the 41.09 drivers, with no difference. Tried various settings in the game and the drivers; disable fast writes, different AGP speeds, vsynch, antialising, antistropic filtering and so on. The only thing that almost gets rid of it is changing the "render frames ahead" from 3 to 0 in the D3D settings. This almost completely gets rid of it, and would be a fix, if it did not crash DirectDraw when set to 0. I can't run Superbike2001 or mercedes benz truck racing with it set to 0. System is a Soyo SY-KT400 Dragon UltraPee, XP2400, 512MB RAM, GF4 Ti4200 128MB My framerates in F12002 are 40 to 50. Everything is okay when the weather is sunny or overcast. Only rain brings about, "stuttering in the rain" Thanks, Greg

I think it's just more of the low framerate hiccups that have been with the ISI titles for a long time. You may think 40 to 50 is a good framerate. But trust me, it isn't. If you get the fps up around 80+ then the jitters go away. The reason, I think, that you see the stutters in the rain is the added strain on the graphic system that happens when the rain is drawn. So as your fps drops the stutters begin. I wonder if this is tied to the High frequency physics. If the graphics lag behind, does the program 'jump' ahead to resync the graphics with the physics? ?? ??? dave henrie "Mr Muddy Pants" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3e0e3651$0$139$[email hidden]... > Anyone have a fix for this ? Whenever it rains I get this stutteringeffect; > mostly when cornering. > I have tried 30.82 drivers and the 41.09 drivers, with no difference.Tried > various settings in the game and the drivers; disable fast writes,different

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> AGP speeds, vsynch, antialising, antistropic filtering and so on. > > The only thing that almost gets rid of it is changing the "render frames > ahead" from 3 to 0 in the D3D settings. This almost completely gets rid of > it, and would be a fix, if it did not crash DirectDraw when set to 0. I > can't run Superbike2001 or mercedes benz truck racing with it set to 0. > > System is a Soyo SY-KT400 Dragon UltraPee, XP2400, 512MB RAM, GF4 Ti4200 > 128MB > My framerates in F12002 are 40 to 50. Everything is okay when the weather

is > sunny or overcast. Only rain brings about, "stuttering in the rain" > > Thanks, Greg > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02

Well, I don't have the "super-high" physics enabled in my PLR file. It is set to "1", which is normal. Is that what youe are refrencing ? Any tricks on getting 80FPS out of F12002 ? I also seem to get the "stuttering" on a test-day with no other cars on track, if I remember correctly. I will have to try it tomorrow. Also will try a lower resolution, currently I run at 1280x960 32bit color. Other odd thing is the "frames rendered ahead" setting. I get the same frame-rates whether it is at 3 or 0, but when it is at zero, the "stuttering" almost completely disappears. Thanks "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ostP9.545333$NH2.36435@sccrnsc01... > I think it's just more of the low framerate hiccups that have been with > the ISI titles for a long time. You may think 40 to 50 is a goodframerate. > But trust me, it isn't. If you get the fps up around 80+ then the jitters > go away. The reason, I think, that you see the stutters in the rain isthe > added strain on the graphic system that happens when the rain is drawn.So

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> as your fps drops the stutters begin. > I wonder if this is tied to the High frequency physics. If the > graphics lag behind, does the program 'jump' ahead to resync the graphics > with the physics? ?? ??? > dave henrie > > "Mr Muddy Pants" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3e0e3651$0$139$[email hidden]... > > Anyone have a fix for this ? Whenever it rains I get this stuttering > effect; > > mostly when cornering. > > I have tried 30.82 drivers and the 41.09 drivers, with no difference. > Tried > > various settings in the game and the drivers; disable fast writes, > different > > AGP speeds, vsynch, antialising, antistropic filtering and so on. > > > > The only thing that almost gets rid of it is changing the "render frames > > ahead" from 3 to 0 in the D3D settings. This almost completely gets rid

of > > it, and would be a fix, if it did not crash DirectDraw when set to 0. I > > can't run Superbike2001 or mercedes benz truck racing with it set to 0. > > > > System is a Soyo SY-KT400 Dragon UltraPee, XP2400, 512MB RAM, GF4 Ti4200 > > 128MB > > My framerates in F12002 are 40 to 50. Everything is okay when theweather

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> is > > sunny or overcast. Only rain brings about, "stuttering in the rain" > > > > Thanks, Greg > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02 > >

Tried it at 1024x768. Same results, "stuttering in the rain". Does not seem to be framerate dependent. Got framerates in the high 60's, still stuttered. Very bizarre, guess I will have to try to remember to change the "frames rendered ahead" setting in the D3D settings. Thanks, Greg "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ostP9.545333$NH2.36435@sccrnsc01... > I think it's just more of the low framerate hiccups that have been with > the ISI titles for a long time. You may think 40 to 50 is a goodframerate. > But trust me, it isn't. If you get the fps up around 80+ then the jitters > go away. The reason, I think, that you see the stutters in the rain isthe > added strain on the graphic system that happens when the rain is drawn.So

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> as your fps drops the stutters begin. > I wonder if this is tied to the High frequency physics. If the > graphics lag behind, does the program 'jump' ahead to resync the graphics > with the physics? ?? ??? > dave henrie > > "Mr Muddy Pants" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3e0e3651$0$139$[email hidden]... > > Anyone have a fix for this ? Whenever it rains I get this stuttering > effect; > > mostly when cornering. > > I have tried 30.82 drivers and the 41.09 drivers, with no difference. > Tried > > various settings in the game and the drivers; disable fast writes, > different > > AGP speeds, vsynch, antialising, antistropic filtering and so on. > > > > The only thing that almost gets rid of it is changing the "render frames > > ahead" from 3 to 0 in the D3D settings. This almost completely gets rid

of > > it, and would be a fix, if it did not crash DirectDraw when set to 0. I > > can't run Superbike2001 or mercedes benz truck racing with it set to 0. > > > > System is a Soyo SY-KT400 Dragon UltraPee, XP2400, 512MB RAM, GF4 Ti4200 > > 128MB > > My framerates in F12002 are 40 to 50. Everything is okay when theweather

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> is > > sunny or overcast. Only rain brings about, "stuttering in the rain" > > > > Thanks, Greg > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02 > >

Are you running with AntiAliasing? when I had 4X AA I got bad stutterinmg effects at corners, turn this down to 2 all seems OK. Andi. "Mr Muddy Pants" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3e0e8850$0$191$[email hidden]... > Tried it at 1024x768. Same results, "stuttering in the rain". Does notseem > to be framerate dependent. Got framerates in the high 60's, stillstuttered.

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> Very bizarre, guess I will have to try to remember to change the "frames > rendered ahead" setting in the D3D settings. > Thanks, Greg > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ostP9.545333$NH2.36435@sccrnsc01... > > I think it's just more of the low framerate hiccups that have been

with > > the ISI titles for a long time. You may think 40 to 50 is a good > framerate. > > But trust me, it isn't. If you get the fps up around 80+ then thejitters

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> > go away. The reason, I think, that you see the stutters in the rain is > the > > added strain on the graphic system that happens when the rain is drawn. > So > > as your fps drops the stutters begin. > > I wonder if this is tied to the High frequency physics. If the > > graphics lag behind, does the program 'jump' ahead to resync the

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> > with the physics? ?? ??? > > dave henrie > > > > "Mr Muddy Pants" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3e0e3651$0$139$[email hidden]... > > > Anyone have a fix for this ? Whenever it rains I get this stuttering > > effect; > > > mostly when cornering. > > > I have tried 30.82 drivers and the 41.09 drivers, with no difference. > > Tried > > > various settings in the game and the drivers; disable fast writes, > > different > > > AGP speeds, vsynch, antialising, antistropic filtering and so on. > > > > > > The only thing that almost gets rid of it is changing the "render

frames > > > ahead" from 3 to 0 in the D3D settings. This almost completely getsrid > of > > > it, and would be a fix, if it did not crash DirectDraw when set to 0.I > > > can't run Superbike2001 or mercedes benz truck racing with it set to0. > > > > > > System is a Soyo SY-KT400 Dragon UltraPee, XP2400, 512MB RAM, GF4Ti4200

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> > > 128MB > > > My framerates in F12002 are 40 to 50. Everything is okay when the > weather > > is > > > sunny or overcast. Only rain brings about, "stuttering in the rain" > > > > > > Thanks, Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02 > > > > > >

Yes, I have it at 2X antialising. Tried it with it off or on and all the different antialising settings. No change :--(( Maybe it is the 128MB card ? "Andi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eyCP9.535$xE1.84660@stones...

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> Are you running with AntiAliasing? when I had 4X AA I got bad stutterinmg > effects at corners, turn this down to 2 all seems OK. > > Andi. > > > "Mr Muddy Pants" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3e0e8850$0$191$[email hidden]... > > Tried it at 1024x768. Same results, "stuttering in the rain". Does not > seem > > to be framerate dependent. Got framerates in the high 60's, still > stuttered. > > Very bizarre, guess I will have to try to remember to change the "frames > > rendered ahead" setting in the D3D settings. > > Thanks, Greg > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ostP9.545333$NH2.36435@sccrnsc01... > > > I think it's just more of the low framerate hiccups that have been > with > > > the ISI titles for a long time. You may think 40 to 50 is a good > > framerate. > > > But trust me, it isn't. If you get the fps up around 80+ then the > jitters > > > go away. The reason, I think, that you see the stutters in the rain

is > > the > > > added strain on the graphic system that happens when the rain isdrawn. > > So > > > as your fps drops the stutters begin. > > > I wonder if this is tied to the High frequency physics. Ifthe

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> > > graphics lag behind, does the program 'jump' ahead to resync the > graphics > > > with the physics? ?? ??? > > > dave henrie > > > > > > "Mr Muddy Pants" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:3e0e3651$0$139$[email hidden]... > > > > Anyone have a fix for this ? Whenever it rains I get this stuttering > > > effect; > > > > mostly when cornering. > > > > I have tried 30.82 drivers and the 41.09 drivers, with no

difference.

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> > > Tried > > > > various settings in the game and the drivers; disable fast writes, > > > different > > > > AGP speeds, vsynch, antialising, antistropic filtering and so on. > > > > > > > > The only thing that almost gets rid of it is changing the "render > frames > > > > ahead" from 3 to 0 in the D3D settings. This almost completely gets > rid > > of > > > > it, and would be a fix, if it did not crash DirectDraw when set to

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> I > > > > can't run Superbike2001 or mercedes benz truck racing with it set to > 0. > > > > > > > > System is a Soyo SY-KT400 Dragon UltraPee, XP2400, 512MB RAM, GF4 > Ti4200 > > > > 128MB > > > > My framerates in F12002 are 40 to 50. Everything is okay when the > > weather > > > is > > > > sunny or overcast. Only rain brings about, "stuttering in the rain" > > > > > > > > Thanks, Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02 > > > > > > > > > > > >

I'm using a 128MB GF4 and it's OK. Have you got your BIOS settings right, have you loaded any motherboard .inf files or any special hardware drivers? Andi. "Goober Gilbert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3e0f42f5$0$471$[email hidden]...

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> Yes, I have it at 2X antialising. Tried it with it off or on and all the > different antialising settings. No change :--(( > > Maybe it is the 128MB card ? > > > "Andi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:eyCP9.535$xE1.84660@stones... > > Are you running with AntiAliasing? when I had 4X AA I got bad

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> > effects at corners, turn this down to 2 all seems OK. > > > > Andi. > > > > > > "Mr Muddy Pants" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3e0e8850$0$191$[email hidden]... > > > Tried it at 1024x768. Same results, "stuttering in the rain". Does not > > seem > > > to be framerate dependent. Got framerates in the high 60's, still > > stuttered. > > > Very bizarre, guess I will have to try to remember to change the

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> > > rendered ahead" setting in the D3D settings. > > > Thanks, Greg > > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:ostP9.545333$NH2.36435@sccrnsc01... > > > > I think it's just more of the low framerate hiccups that have been > > with > > > > the ISI titles for a long time. You may think 40 to 50 is a good > > > framerate. > > > > But trust me, it isn't. If you get the fps up around 80+ then the > > jitters > > > > go away. The reason, I think, that you see the stutters in the rain > is > > > the > > > > added strain on the graphic system that happens when the rain is > drawn. > > > So > > > > as your fps drops the stutters begin. > > > > I wonder if this is tied to the High frequency physics. If > the > > > > graphics lag behind, does the program 'jump' ahead to resync the > > graphics > > > > with the physics? ?? ??? > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > "Mr Muddy Pants" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:3e0e3651$0$139$[email hidden]... > > > > > Anyone have a fix for this ? Whenever it rains I get this

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> > > > effect; > > > > > mostly when cornering. > > > > > I have tried 30.82 drivers and the 41.09 drivers, with no > difference. > > > > Tried > > > > > various settings in the game and the drivers; disable fast writes, > > > > different > > > > > AGP speeds, vsynch, antialising, antistropic filtering and so on. > > > > > > > > > > The only thing that almost gets rid of it is changing the "render > > frames > > > > > ahead" from 3 to 0 in the D3D settings. This almost completely

gets > > rid > > > of > > > > > it, and would be a fix, if it did not crash DirectDraw when set to > 0. > > I > > > > > can't run Superbike2001 or mercedes benz truck racing with it setto

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> > 0. > > > > > > > > > > System is a Soyo SY-KT400 Dragon UltraPee, XP2400, 512MB RAM, GF4 > > Ti4200 > > > > > 128MB > > > > > My framerates in F12002 are 40 to 50. Everything is okay when the > > > weather > > > > is > > > > > sunny or overcast. Only rain brings about, "stuttering in the

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> > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Just the VIA 4n1's. Latest version since this is a new board. What Detonaters are you running ? I am using the 30.82 Omega Drivers. Tried the 41.09's with the same results. Had the 40.72's on, but superbike2001 did not like those. Thanks "Andi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7sLP9.7256$4k6.630607@wards... > I'm using a 128MB GF4 and it's OK. Have you got your BIOS settings right, > have you loaded any motherboard .inf files or any special hardwaredrivers?

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> > Andi. > > > "Goober Gilbert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3e0f42f5$0$471$[email hidden]... > > Yes, I have it at 2X antialising. Tried it with it off or on and all the > > different antialising settings. No change :--(( > > > > Maybe it is the 128MB card ? > > > > > > "Andi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:eyCP9.535$xE1.84660@stones... > > > Are you running with AntiAliasing? when I had 4X AA I got bad > stutterinmg > > > effects at corners, turn this down to 2 all seems OK. > > > > > > Andi. > > > > > > > > > "Mr Muddy Pants" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:3e0e8850$0$191$[email hidden]... > > > > Tried it at 1024x768. Same results, "stuttering in the rain". Does

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> > > seem > > > > to be framerate dependent. Got framerates in the high 60's, still > > > stuttered. > > > > Very bizarre, guess I will have to try to remember to change the > "frames > > > > rendered ahead" setting in the D3D settings. > > > > Thanks, Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:ostP9.545333$NH2.36435@sccrnsc01... > > > > > I think it's just more of the low framerate hiccups that have

been > > > with > > > > > the ISI titles for a long time. You may think 40 to 50 is a good > > > > framerate. > > > > > But trust me, it isn't. If you get the fps up around 80+ then the > > > jitters > > > > > go away. The reason, I think, that you see the stutters in therain

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> > is > > > > the > > > > > added strain on the graphic system that happens when the rain is > > drawn. > > > > So > > > > > as your fps drops the stutters begin. > > > > > I wonder if this is tied to the High frequency physics.

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> > the > > > > > graphics lag behind, does the program 'jump' ahead to resync the > > > graphics > > > > > with the physics? ?? ??? > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > "Mr Muddy Pants" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:3e0e3651$0$139$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Anyone have a fix for this ? Whenever it rains I get this > stuttering > > > > > effect; > > > > > > mostly when cornering. > > > > > > I have tried 30.82 drivers and the 41.09 drivers, with no > > difference. > > > > > Tried > > > > > > various settings in the game and the drivers; disable fast

writes, > > > > > different > > > > > > AGP speeds, vsynch, antialising, antistropic filtering and soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only thing that almost gets rid of it is changing the"render > > > frames > > > > > > ahead" from 3 to 0 in the D3D settings. This almost completely > gets > > > rid > > > > of > > > > > > it, and would be a fix, if it did not crash DirectDraw when setto > > 0. > > > I > > > > > > can't run Superbike2001 or mercedes benz truck racing with itset > to > > > 0. > > > > > > > > > > > > System is a Soyo SY-KT400 Dragon UltraPee, XP2400, 512MB RAM,GF4 > > > Ti4200 > > > > > > 128MB > > > > > > My framerates in F12002 are 40 to 50. Everything is okay whenthe

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> > > > weather > > > > > is > > > > > > sunny or overcast. Only rain brings about, "stuttering in the > rain" > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I get the same effects when playing GTR2002. frame rates in the 90's but still see stuttering while driving in the rain. On a clear day, everything is cool. No AA being used. 1600x1200x32 on a Ti4600. P4 2.66 @ 3.0Ghz w/ 512MB PC2700DDR @ 375mhz. Video card is not overclocked. Det. Drivers were 40.72 I believe, but are now 41.09. I will try again and see if I still have this problem with the newer drivers. Glen Pittman "Mr Muddy Pants" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3e0e3651$0$139$[email hidden]... > Anyone have a fix for this ? Whenever it rains I get this stutteringeffect; > mostly when cornering. > I have tried 30.82 drivers and the 41.09 drivers, with no difference.Tried > various settings in the game and the drivers; disable fast writes,different

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> AGP speeds, vsynch, antialising, antistropic filtering and so on. > > The only thing that almost gets rid of it is changing the "render frames > ahead" from 3 to 0 in the D3D settings. This almost completely gets rid of > it, and would be a fix, if it did not crash DirectDraw when set to 0. I > can't run Superbike2001 or mercedes benz truck racing with it set to 0. > > System is a Soyo SY-KT400 Dragon UltraPee, XP2400, 512MB RAM, GF4 Ti4200 > 128MB > My framerates in F12002 are 40 to 50. Everything is okay when the weather

is > sunny or overcast. Only rain brings about, "stuttering in the rain" > > Thanks, Greg > >

"Mr Muddy Pants" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<3e0e3651$0$139$[email hidden]>...

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> Anyone have a fix for this ? Whenever it rains I get this stuttering effect; > mostly when cornering. > I have tried 30.82 drivers and the 41.09 drivers, with no difference. Tried > various settings in the game and the drivers; disable fast writes, different > AGP speeds, vsynch, antialising, antistropic filtering and so on. > > The only thing that almost gets rid of it is changing the "render frames > ahead" from 3 to 0 in the D3D settings. This almost completely gets rid of > it, and would be a fix, if it did not crash DirectDraw when set to 0. I > can't run Superbike2001 or mercedes benz truck racing with it set to 0. > > System is a Soyo SY-KT400 Dragon UltraPee, XP2400, 512MB RAM, GF4 Ti4200 > 128MB > My framerates in F12002 are 40 to 50. Everything is okay when the weather is > sunny or overcast. Only rain brings about, "stuttering in the rain" > > Thanks, Greg

I was getting a *bad* stuttering in the rain - especially with the mods, until I went into the PLR file and set the thunder/lightning freq to 0. I would notice that as soon as there was a flash of lightning, I'd get a huge amount of stuttering. I also increased the Video Memory in the config file (which helped with some general stutters. HTH, Kendt