OT: More XP / Gaming woes

I thought I had everything working in XP, but now I am getting some very strange behavior with my internet connection. When I turn the machine on or reboot, it thinks it is not connected and if I go to IE it tells me "no internet connection available" and gives me a choice of "work offline" or "retry". Pressing "retry" always works, the connection is there and it is functional. After a period of inactivity the same thing will happen. Also, when trying to play online I am getting disconnected every 5 minutes or so. My setup is I have a PC hooked through a hub to a ZyXel router which is hooked to the cable modem. I have manually set my IP address and so forth because the ZyXel router requires a machine at a known IP address from which to grab a MAC address. This means I am not running DHCP. I tried turning off EAP authentication and that didn't help. I noticed that XP thought it could shut the NIC down after a period of inactivity so I turned that feature off. Still no luck. I have posted this to the Microsoft XP newsgroup and not received any help. I have done a Google search and found nothing. Any of you guys have an idea?

Get a 56k modem...v92 for more speed :) AD

LOL. BTW I have been through the network troubleshooter several times, changed numerous options, and still get the same result. I was able to just finish an hour of trouble free online gaming, so I guess that part is fixed, but XP still acts like there is no internet connection when it first boots up. Not really a show-stopper, but still very annoying. Ideas? Anybody? "Aidee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:av2o3a$drk$[email hidden]... > Get a 56k modem...v92 for more speed :) > > AD > >

Forget about the Internet for a bit. Lets just get the PC/NIC working on the hub. Once you get it consistantly "talking" to the Zrouter's LAN address move outwards to troubleshoot. Does the NIC think it's "off" on a reboot or does it just think it can't get to the Internet? What NIC do you have in your PC BTW? You need to get the NIC to consistantly come up on your hub without isses. From there test things outbound via TCP/IP. If this is the case already, then can your PC manage the Zrouter everytime (on the Zrouters LAN NIC), If so, then maybe the problems with the Zrouter not your PC. It it at the latest firmware etc? "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:av2d73$b8pqc$[email hidden]... > I thought I had everything working in XP, but now I am getting some very > strange behavior with my internet connection. When I turn the machine onor > reboot, it thinks it is not connected and if I go to IE it tells me "no > internet connection available" and gives me a choice of "work offline" or > "retry". Pressing "retry" always works, the connection is there and it is > functional. After a period of inactivity the same thing will happen.Also, > when trying to play online I am getting disconnected every 5 minutes orso. > My setup is I have a PC hooked through a hub to a ZyXel router which is > hooked to the cable modem. I have manually set my IP address and so forth > because the ZyXel router requires a machine at a known IP address fromwhich > to grab a MAC address. This means I am not running DHCP. I tried turning > off EAP authentication and that didn't help. I noticed that XP thought it > could shut the NIC down after a period of inactivity so I turned that > feature off. Still no luck. I have posted this to the Microsoft XP > newsgroup and not received any help. I have done a Google search andfound > nothing. Any of you guys have an idea? > > >

The NIC has no problem talking to the hub. When I run the network connection troubleshooter, even right after a reboot, it does not find any problems. The NIC is a "Network Everywhere" 10/100 card, as best as I can remember. XP is using the Macronix (generic) driver. Hub has the latest firmware AFAIK. I should mention that I have not changed any hardware compared to what I had in Win98, and everything worked without a problem. So the problem is most likely something to do with either the XP network setup (i.e. on bootup is it looking for a service that is not there?) or perhaps the way IE/OE determine whether or not there is a valid connection. "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SQ6R9.233585$[email hidden]... > Forget about the Internet for a bit. > Lets just get the PC/NIC working on the hub. > Once you get it consistantly "talking" to the Zrouter's LAN address move > outwards to troubleshoot. > > Does the NIC think it's "off" on a reboot or does it just think it can'tget

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> to the Internet? > What NIC do you have in your PC BTW? > > You need to get the NIC to consistantly come up on your hub without isses. > From there test things outbound via TCP/IP. > > If this is the case already, then can your PC manage the Zrouter everytime > (on the Zrouters LAN NIC), > If so, then maybe the problems with the Zrouter not your PC. > It it at the latest firmware etc? > > >

"Haqsau > AFAIK. I should mention that I have not changed any hardware compared to > what I had in Win98, and everything worked without a problem. So the > problem is most likely something to do with either the XP network setup > (i.e. on bootup is it looking for a service that is not there?) or perhaps > the way IE/OE determine whether or not there is a valid connection. Well, I have 3 win98se's on my lan, and I have to pull teeth out to get them working after re-installs of windows. In fact, I rarely have them able to 'talk' to each other(although each can access the net via the router with NO PROBLEM). I always get 'network unaccessible' error messages if I try and access one of the other boxes. So my son's friend brings his school notebook over with winxp pro and hooks into the router. His starts right up with ZERO configuration. They spent several hours deathmatching. score one for xp dave henrie

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> "Haqsau >> AFAIK. I should mention that I have not changed any hardware compared to >> what I had in Win98, and everything worked without a problem. So the >> problem is most likely something to do with either the XP network setup >> (i.e. on bootup is it looking for a service that is not there?) or >> perhaps the way IE/OE determine whether or not there is a valid >> connection. > > Well, I have 3 win98se's on my lan, and I have to pull teeth out to > get them working after re-installs of windows. In fact, I rarely have > them able to 'talk' to each other(although each can access the net via > the router with NO PROBLEM). I always get 'network unaccessible' error > messages if I try and access one of the other boxes. So my son's friend > brings his school notebook over with winxp pro and hooks into the > router. His starts right up with ZERO configuration. They spent several > hours deathmatching. score one for xp > dave henrie

Haqsau, See of any of these links might help. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q314067 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;q163391 , http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/troubleshoot/ -- Don Burnette

OK, so your PC comes up every time with a proper link light on the PCs NIC and the hub! Good. What speed is the hub BTW? Now you mentioned that your NIC would go to sleep after a while? You've mentioned you turned off any "power saver" kinda stuff. Lets check out what's "bound" to your NIC. Since you're troubleshooting NIC settings, heres a handy way to get at them easier. Do you have a "My Network Places" icon on your desktop? If not, right click on the desktop and select properties. Then click the desktop tab. Then click the customize desktop button near the bottom. Make sure there's a checkmark on "My Network Places" Once you have this icon on your desktop, right click on it and select properties. How many NICs do you have on your system? Select the one LAN NIC and right click for properties. What drivers, protocols, etc. do you have on it? If you're not running a home peer to peer LAN, you can uncheck everything except TCP/IP as being active. "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:av2vl5$bgejg$[email hidden]... > The NIC has no problem talking to the hub. When I run the networkconnection

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> troubleshooter, even right after a reboot, it does not find any problems. > The NIC is a "Network Everywhere" 10/100 card, as best as I can remember. > XP is using the Macronix (generic) driver. Hub has the latest firmware > AFAIK. I should mention that I have not changed any hardware compared to > what I had in Win98, and everything worked without a problem. So the > problem is most likely something to do with either the XP network setup > (i.e. on bootup is it looking for a service that is not there?) or perhaps > the way IE/OE determine whether or not there is a valid connection. > > > "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:SQ6R9.233585$[email hidden]... > > Forget about the Internet for a bit. > > Lets just get the PC/NIC working on the hub. > > Once you get it consistantly "talking" to the Zrouter's LAN address move > > outwards to troubleshoot. > > > > Does the NIC think it's "off" on a reboot or does it just think it can't > get > > to the Internet? > > What NIC do you have in your PC BTW? > > > > You need to get the NIC to consistantly come up on your hub without

isses. > > From there test things outbound via TCP/IP. > > > > If this is the case already, then can your PC manage the Zroutereverytime

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> > (on the Zrouters LAN NIC), > > If so, then maybe the problems with the Zrouter not your PC. > > It it at the latest firmware etc? > > > > > > > >

My son has XP on his PC and has had zero problems also. I set him up originally but frankly I don't remember what I did. Anyway I think the critical difference is that most people just use DHCP to set their IP address and so on, I am not. So that is one possible source of the problem - I am manually configuring the network and I set something wrong somewhere. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jg9R9.540173$%[email hidden]... > > Well, I have 3 win98se's on my lan, and I have to pull teeth out toget > them working after re-installs of windows. In fact, I rarely have themable > to 'talk' to each other(although each can access the net via the routerwith > NO PROBLEM). I always get 'network unaccessible' error messages if I try > and access one of the other boxes. So my son's friend brings his school > notebook over with winxp pro and hooks into the router. His starts rightup > with ZERO configuration. They spent several hours deathmatching. scoreone > for xp > dave henrie > >

The hub is a 10 mbit passive hub. Again, please keep in mind that all the hardware worked correctly under Windows 98. There is only one NIC in the PC. Currently the NIC has the following bound to it: Client for Microsoft Networks File and Printer Sharing QoS Packet Scheduler NetBEUI Protocol TCP/IP I have no idea what the QoS Packet Scheduler is for. I will try removing that later. NetBEUI is loaded because with my LAN buddies that seems to be the only file sharing protocol that works on everybody's machine. If there is a better alternative, I am open to suggestions, but when we last tried using TCP/IP for file sharing it was ungodly slow and unreliable. "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:I7jR9.233750$[email hidden]...

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> OK, so your PC comes up every time with a proper link light on the PCs NIC > and the hub! > Good. What speed is the hub BTW? > > Now you mentioned that your NIC would go to sleep after a while? > You've mentioned you turned off any "power saver" kinda stuff. > Lets check out what's "bound" to your NIC. > > Since you're troubleshooting NIC settings, heres a handy way to get at

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> easier. > Do you have a "My Network Places" icon on your desktop? > If not, right click on the desktop and select properties. > Then click the desktop tab. > Then click the customize desktop button near the bottom. > Make sure there's a checkmark on "My Network Places" > > Once you have this icon on your desktop, right click on it and select > properties. > How many NICs do you have on your system? > Select the one LAN NIC and right click for properties. > What drivers, protocols, etc. do you have on it? > > If you're not running a home peer to peer LAN, you can uncheck everything > except TCP/IP as being active. > > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:av2vl5$bgejg$[email hidden]... > > The NIC has no problem talking to the hub. When I run the network > connection > > troubleshooter, even right after a reboot, it does not find any

problems. > > The NIC is a "Network Everywhere" 10/100 card, as best as I canremember. > > XP is using the Macronix (generic) driver. Hub has the latest firmware > > AFAIK. I should mention that I have not changed any hardware comparedto > > what I had in Win98, and everything worked without a problem. So the > > problem is most likely something to do with either the XP network setup > > (i.e. on bootup is it looking for a service that is not there?) orperhaps

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> > the way IE/OE determine whether or not there is a valid connection. > > > > > > "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:SQ6R9.233585$[email hidden]... > > > Forget about the Internet for a bit. > > > Lets just get the PC/NIC working on the hub. > > > Once you get it consistantly "talking" to the Zrouter's LAN address

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> > get > > > to the Internet? > > > What NIC do you have in your PC BTW? > > > > > > You need to get the NIC to consistantly come up on your hub without > isses. > > > From there test things outbound via TCP/IP. > > > > > > If this is the case already, then can your PC manage the Zrouter > everytime > > > (on the Zrouters LAN NIC), > > > If so, then maybe the problems with the Zrouter not your PC. > > > It it at the latest firmware etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Just to add a little more - at this point the network is recognized after standby or even hibernation. The only time it does not appear to be available is the first time I try it after a boot. And again, only IE and OE have a problem, if I run the network troubleshooter immediately after a boot it does not find anything wrong. "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:av4h3i$bskhg$[email hidden]... > The hub is a 10 mbit passive hub. Again, please keep in mind that all the > hardware worked correctly under Windows 98. > > There is only one NIC in the PC. Currently the NIC has the followingbound

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> to it: > > Client for Microsoft Networks > File and Printer Sharing > QoS Packet Scheduler > NetBEUI Protocol > TCP/IP > > I have no idea what the QoS Packet Scheduler is for. I will try removing > that later. NetBEUI is loaded because with my LAN buddies that seems to

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> is a better alternative, I am open to suggestions, but when we last tried > using TCP/IP for file sharing it was ungodly slow and unreliable. > > > > "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:I7jR9.233750$[email hidden]... > > OK, so your PC comes up every time with a proper link light on the PCs

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> > and the hub! > > Good. What speed is the hub BTW? > > > > Now you mentioned that your NIC would go to sleep after a while? > > You've mentioned you turned off any "power saver" kinda stuff. > > Lets check out what's "bound" to your NIC. > > > > Since you're troubleshooting NIC settings, heres a handy way to get at > them > > easier. > > Do you have a "My Network Places" icon on your desktop? > > If not, right click on the desktop and select properties. > > Then click the desktop tab. > > Then click the customize desktop button near the bottom. > > Make sure there's a checkmark on "My Network Places" > > > > Once you have this icon on your desktop, right click on it and select > > properties. > > How many NICs do you have on your system? > > Select the one LAN NIC and right click for properties. > > What drivers, protocols, etc. do you have on it? > > > > If you're not running a home peer to peer LAN, you can uncheck

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> > except TCP/IP as being active. > > > > > > > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:av2vl5$bgejg$[email hidden]... > > > The NIC has no problem talking to the hub. When I run the network > > connection > > > troubleshooter, even right after a reboot, it does not find any > problems. > > > The NIC is a "Network Everywhere" 10/100 card, as best as I can > remember. > > > XP is using the Macronix (generic) driver. Hub has the latest

firmware > > > AFAIK. I should mention that I have not changed any hardware compared > to > > > what I had in Win98, and everything worked without a problem. So the > > > problem is most likely something to do with either the XP networksetup

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> > > (i.e. on bootup is it looking for a service that is not there?) or > perhaps > > > the way IE/OE determine whether or not there is a valid connection. > > > > > > > > > "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:SQ6R9.233585$[email hidden]... > > > > Forget about the Internet for a bit. > > > > Lets just get the PC/NIC working on the hub. > > > > Once you get it consistantly "talking" to the Zrouter's LAN address > move > > > > outwards to troubleshoot. > > > > > > > > Does the NIC think it's "off" on a reboot or does it just think it > can't > > > get > > > > to the Internet? > > > > What NIC do you have in your PC BTW? > > > > > > > > You need to get the NIC to consistantly come up on your hub without > > isses. > > > > From there test things outbound via TCP/IP. > > > > > > > > If this is the case already, then can your PC manage the Zrouter > > everytime > > > > (on the Zrouters LAN NIC), > > > > If so, then maybe the problems with the Zrouter not your PC. > > > > It it at the latest firmware etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi again. I hear you on the 98 thing, however XP is a different bird. Those NICs sound like they're pretty cheap, I only use INTEL NICs. Well if it's happening still, but only after a reboot, then there's something up with how the NIC is starting. Drivers, etc.. Are you sure it's only OE and IE. Try pinging something by name. Like www.novell.com. Did the name resolve to an IP address? Can you ping by IP address versus DNS name? Can you ping at all? Since it's a 10Mbps hub, you can try "hard coding" your NIC to be 10Mbps/HALF duplex. Do you have hardcoded DNS/WINS entries You can disable the QoS driver, it's not needed. Another thing, NetBEUI is great for home LANs, some games use IPX though. If you try IPX instead of NetBEUI, make sure all your buddies are using the same workgroup name and IPX frame type. You need to hardcode everyones IPX frame type to something the same, like Ethernet 802.3. Autodetection of IPX frame types sometimes doesn't work. "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:av4m5f$c602f$[email hidden]...

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> Just to add a little more - at this point the network is recognized after > standby or even hibernation. The only time it does not appear to be > available is the first time I try it after a boot. And again, only IE and > OE have a problem, if I run the network troubleshooter immediately after a > boot it does not find anything wrong. > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:av4h3i$bskhg$[email hidden]... > > The hub is a 10 mbit passive hub. Again, please keep in mind that all

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> > hardware worked correctly under Windows 98. > > > > There is only one NIC in the PC. Currently the NIC has the following > bound > > to it: > > > > Client for Microsoft Networks > > File and Printer Sharing > > QoS Packet Scheduler > > NetBEUI Protocol > > TCP/IP > > > > I have no idea what the QoS Packet Scheduler is for. I will try

removing > > that later. NetBEUI is loaded because with my LAN buddies that seems to > be > > the only file sharing protocol that works on everybody's machine. If > there > > is a better alternative, I am open to suggestions, but when we lasttried

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> > using TCP/IP for file sharing it was ungodly slow and unreliable. > > > > > > > > "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:I7jR9.233750$[email hidden]... > > > OK, so your PC comes up every time with a proper link light on the PCs > NIC > > > and the hub! > > > Good. What speed is the hub BTW? > > > > > > Now you mentioned that your NIC would go to sleep after a while? > > > You've mentioned you turned off any "power saver" kinda stuff. > > > Lets check out what's "bound" to your NIC. > > > > > > Since you're troubleshooting NIC settings, heres a handy way to get at > > them > > > easier. > > > Do you have a "My Network Places" icon on your desktop? > > > If not, right click on the desktop and select properties. > > > Then click the desktop tab. > > > Then click the customize desktop button near the bottom. > > > Make sure there's a checkmark on "My Network Places" > > > > > > Once you have this icon on your desktop, right click on it and select > > > properties. > > > How many NICs do you have on your system? > > > Select the one LAN NIC and right click for properties. > > > What drivers, protocols, etc. do you have on it? > > > > > > If you're not running a home peer to peer LAN, you can uncheck > everything > > > except TCP/IP as being active. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:av2vl5$bgejg$[email hidden]... > > > > The NIC has no problem talking to the hub. When I run the network > > > connection > > > > troubleshooter, even right after a reboot, it does not find any > > problems. > > > > The NIC is a "Network Everywhere" 10/100 card, as best as I can > > remember. > > > > XP is using the Macronix (generic) driver. Hub has the latest > firmware > > > > AFAIK. I should mention that I have not changed any hardware

compared > > to > > > > what I had in Win98, and everything worked without a problem. Sothe

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> > > > problem is most likely something to do with either the XP network > setup > > > > (i.e. on bootup is it looking for a service that is not there?) or > > perhaps > > > > the way IE/OE determine whether or not there is a valid connection. > > > > > > > > > > > > "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:SQ6R9.233585$[email hidden]... > > > > > Forget about the Internet for a bit. > > > > > Lets just get the PC/NIC working on the hub. > > > > > Once you get it consistantly "talking" to the Zrouter's LAN

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> > move > > > > > outwards to troubleshoot. > > > > > > > > > > Does the NIC think it's "off" on a reboot or does it just think it > > can't > > > > get > > > > > to the Internet? > > > > > What NIC do you have in your PC BTW? > > > > > > > > > > You need to get the NIC to consistantly come up on your hub

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> > > isses. > > > > > From there test things outbound via TCP/IP. > > > > > > > > > > If this is the case already, then can your PC manage the Zrouter > > > everytime > > > > > (on the Zrouters LAN NIC), > > > > > If so, then maybe the problems with the Zrouter not your PC. > > > > > It it at the latest firmware etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Under Internet Options (Control Panel), select connections and than LAN settings. Make sure automatically detect settings is checked. I had the same problem after a reinstall and this was not checked. Checking it fixed the "work offline / Try Again" error message. "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:av2d73$b8pqc$[email hidden]... > I thought I had everything working in XP, but now I am getting some very > strange behavior with my internet connection. When I turn the machine onor > reboot, it thinks it is not connected and if I go to IE it tells me "no > internet connection available" and gives me a choice of "work offline" or > "retry". Pressing "retry" always works, the connection is there and it is > functional. After a period of inactivity the same thing will happen.Also, > when trying to play online I am getting disconnected every 5 minutes orso. > My setup is I have a PC hooked through a hub to a ZyXel router which is > hooked to the cable modem. I have manually set my IP address and so forth > because the ZyXel router requires a machine at a known IP address fromwhich > to grab a MAC address. This means I am not running DHCP. I tried turning > off EAP authentication and that didn't help. I noticed that XP thought it > could shut the NIC down after a period of inactivity so I turned that > feature off. Still no luck. I have posted this to the Microsoft XP > newsgroup and not received any help. I have done a Google search andfound > nothing. Any of you guys have an idea? > > >

Doesn't this turn on DHCP though? I need to manually set my IP address in order to allow my router to copy a MAC address from a known address, and also when I want to run any kind of server, so I prefer not to turn DHCP back on if possible. "Goober Gilbert" <act{NO SPAMMING}[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3e174e75$0$207$[email hidden]... > Under Internet Options (Control Panel), select connections and than LAN > settings. Make sure automatically detect settings is checked. > I had the same problem after a reinstall and this was not checked.Checking > it fixed the "work offline / Try Again" error message. >

No, it's a different setting. Go to the spot mentioned and right click on the text, it'll describe what it does. "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:av7vmi$co8vr$[email hidden]...

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> Doesn't this turn on DHCP though? I need to manually set my IP address in > order to allow my router to copy a MAC address from a known address, and > also when I want to run any kind of server, so I prefer not to turn DHCP > back on if possible. > > > "Goober Gilbert" <act{NO SPAMMING}[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3e174e75$0$207$[email hidden]... > > Under Internet Options (Control Panel), select connections and than LAN > > settings. Make sure automatically detect settings is checked. > > I had the same problem after a reinstall and this was not checked. > Checking > > it fixed the "work offline / Try Again" error message. > > > >

That was it! Thanks guys! "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WiMR9.235407$[email hidden]... > No, it's a different setting. > Go to the spot mentioned and right click on the text, it'll describe whatit > does. >