RATBAG DTR II & WOO II SPRINT CARS REVIEWERS WANTED - Don Wilshe

Here is a little update on the resources we have for reviewers. Again looking for websites that review games and are interested in RATBAG latest products about to be released. These are for PC Games and we try and support RATBAGs as they do PC games still unlike several of the other companies that have bailed exclusively to consoles. So if you feel you can do a good review and get the word out. Contact me. Here are some resources I got today from RATBAG you will get! 1. Interviews with the team or team members 2. Promotional samples limit 50 (available on release) 3. Artwork - Screen shots, logo's etc. 4. Demo - Available First week of Feb 5. The lastest available review code. -- Donald Wilshe 888 588-9207 Martel Brothers Performance, Worlds Largest On-Line Auto Parts Mfg Catalog Library www.martelbros.com Other Interest: www.ivga.com www.games-advertising.com www.whra.com

>....in RATBAG latest products about to be released. I picked up DTR2 on my way home from the DIRT race at Eldora back in September. Hell I have even made a few DE2 edited tracks for it all ready too. MadDAWG

Yes it has been out for some time now hasn't it? "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >....in RATBAG latest products about to be released. > > I picked up DTR2 on my way home from the DIRT race at Eldora back in > September. Hell I have even made a few DE2 edited tracks for it all ready > too. > > > MadDAWG > >

DTR 2 has been out.. But the new Sprint Car 2 for PC is about to be released in Feb. DW -- Donald Wilshe 888 588-9207 Martel Brothers Performance, Worlds Largest On-Line Auto Parts Mfg Catalog Library www.martelbros.com Other Interest: www.ivga.com www.games-advertising.com www.whra.com "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RiDT9.238844$[email hidden]... > Yes it has been out for some time now hasn't it? > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > >....in RATBAG latest products about to be released. > > > > I picked up DTR2 on my way home from the DIRT race at Eldora back in > > September. Hell I have even made a few DE2 edited tracks for it all ready > > too. > > > > > > MadDAWG > > > > > > >

"Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dpDT9.19504$[email hidden]... > DTR 2 has been out.. But the new Sprint Car 2 for PC is about to be > released in Feb. > DW So they are on track for that date then? If so thats cool. I was figuring that it would be next fall since thats when Ratbag usally releases their stuff. I must say I'll buy Sprints2 before NR2003, but that has more to do with what the games are based on more than anything. MadDAWG

Don my only comment on this is the fact that this seems to be more about marketing Ratbag products than doing an actual impartial review. I can understand helping Ratbag but if the review is biased from the start it offers little to the sim community IMHO. "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:I4DT9.19410$[email hidden]... Here is a little update on the resources we have for reviewers. Again looking for websites that review games and are interested in RATBAG latest products about to be released. These are for PC Games and we try and support RATBAGs as they do PC games still unlike several of the other companies that have bailed exclusively to consoles. So if you feel you can do a good review and get the word out. Contact me. Here are some resources I got today from RATBAG you will get! 1. Interviews with the team or team members 2. Promotional samples limit 50 (available on release) 3. Artwork - Screen shots, logo's etc. 4. Demo - Available First week of Feb 5. The lastest available review code. -- Donald Wilshe 888 588-9207 Martel Brothers Performance, Worlds Largest On-Line Auto Parts Mfg Catalog Library www.martelbros.com Other Interest: www.ivga.com www.games-advertising.com www.whra.com

Marketing is a double edge sword.. Its all about educating the public about the game. If the reviewer writes a bad reviews than its useless for the public. We want the review to be spot on! Now if you hate dirt racing you might not be the best person to objectively review a dirt game.. maybe not fully appreciate it or if you are F1, GPL, IRL and dont like other games. The reviewer must i believe love motorsports and see the value of the product. All good points you made and Im not talking about you. Just reviewers in general. Now Sales is totally biased reporting as its all about selling!! -- Donald Wilshe 888 588-9207 Martel Brothers Performance, Worlds Largest On-Line Auto Parts Mfg Catalog Library www.martelbros.com Other Interest: www.ivga.com www.games-advertising.com www.whra.com "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:17UT9.239200$[email hidden]... > Don my only comment on this is the fact that this seems to be more about > marketing Ratbag products than doing an actual impartial review. I can > understand helping Ratbag but if the review is biased from the start it > offers little to the sim community IMHO. > > "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:I4DT9.19410$[email hidden]... > Here is a little update on the resources we have for reviewers. Again > looking for websites that review games and are interested in RATBAG > latest products about to be released. These are for PC Games and we > try and support RATBAGs as they do PC games still unlike several of > the other companies that have bailed exclusively to consoles. So > if you feel you can do a good review and get the word out. Contact > me. > > Here are some resources I got today from RATBAG you will get! > > 1. Interviews with the team or team members > 2. Promotional samples limit 50 (available on release) > 3. Artwork - Screen shots, logo's etc. > 4. Demo - Available First week of Feb > 5. The lastest available review code. > > -- > Donald Wilshe > 888 588-9207 > Martel Brothers Performance, Worlds Largest On-Line Auto Parts Mfg Catalog > Library > www.martelbros.com > Other Interest: > www.ivga.com > www.games-advertising.com > www.whra.com > > > >

Those are the dates they gave me.. Let hope so! -- Donald Wilshe 888 588-9207 Martel Brothers Performance, Worlds Largest On-Line Auto Parts Mfg Catalog Library www.martelbros.com Other Interest: www.ivga.com www.games-advertising.com www.whra.com "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dpDT9.19504$[email hidden]... > > DTR 2 has been out.. But the new Sprint Car 2 for PC is about to be > > released in Feb. > > DW > > So they are on track for that date then? If so thats cool. I was figuring > that it would be next fall since thats when Ratbag usally releases their > stuff. I must say I'll buy Sprints2 before NR2003, but that has more to do > with what the games are based on more than anything. > > MadDAWG > > >

My point was more you are acting as a marketing group for Ratbag and thus these are not impartial review requests. "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nQZT9.23482$[email hidden]... > Marketing is a double edge sword.. Its all about educating the publicabout

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> the > game. If the reviewer writes a bad reviews than its useless for the > public. We > want the review to be spot on! Now if you hate dirt racing you might not > be the > best person to objectively review a dirt game.. maybe not fully appreciate > it or > if you are F1, GPL, IRL and dont like other games. The reviewer must i > believe > love motorsports and see the value of the product. All good points you

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> and > Im not talking about you. Just reviewers in general. > > Now Sales is totally biased reporting as its all about selling!! > > -- > Donald Wilshe > 888 588-9207 > Martel Brothers Performance, Worlds Largest On-Line Auto Parts Mfg Catalog > Library > www.martelbros.com > Other Interest: > www.ivga.com > www.games-advertising.com > www.whra.com > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:17UT9.239200$[email hidden]... > > Don my only comment on this is the fact that this seems to be more about > > marketing Ratbag products than doing an actual impartial review. I can > > understand helping Ratbag but if the review is biased from the start it > > offers little to the sim community IMHO. > > > > "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:I4DT9.19410$[email hidden]... > > Here is a little update on the resources we have for reviewers. Again > > looking for websites that review games and are interested in RATBAG > > latest products about to be released. These are for PC Games and we > > try and support RATBAGs as they do PC games still unlike several of > > the other companies that have bailed exclusively to consoles. So > > if you feel you can do a good review and get the word out. Contact > > me. > > > > Here are some resources I got today from RATBAG you will get! > > > > 1. Interviews with the team or team members > > 2. Promotional samples limit 50 (available on release) > > 3. Artwork - Screen shots, logo's etc. > > 4. Demo - Available First week of Feb > > 5. The lastest available review code. > > > > -- > > Donald Wilshe > > 888 588-9207 > > Martel Brothers Performance, Worlds Largest On-Line Auto Parts Mfg

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And that is why I am looking for impartial reviewers, not that i cant be objective. I have fired teammates, I have quit companies so i even have principals. can anyone always be 100% objective. hehe Don Im not doing the reviews.. -- Donald Wilshe 888 588-9207 Martel Brothers Performance, Worlds Largest On-Line Auto Parts Mfg Catalog Library www.martelbros.com Other Interest: www.ivga.com www.games-advertising.com www.whra.com "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%T_T9.239328$[email hidden]... > My point was more you are acting as a marketing group for Ratbag and thus > these are not impartial review requests. > > "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:nQZT9.23482$[email hidden]... > > Marketing is a double edge sword.. Its all about educating the public > about > > the > > game. If the reviewer writes a bad reviews than its useless for the > > public. We > > want the review to be spot on! Now if you hate dirt racing you might not > > be the > > best person to objectively review a dirt game.. maybe not fully appreciate > > it or > > if you are F1, GPL, IRL and dont like other games. The reviewer must i > > believe > > love motorsports and see the value of the product. All good points you > made > > and > > Im not talking about you. Just reviewers in general. > > > > Now Sales is totally biased reporting as its all about selling!! > > > > -- > > Donald Wilshe > > 888 588-9207 > > Martel Brothers Performance, Worlds Largest On-Line Auto Parts Mfg Catalog > > Library > > www.martelbros.com > > Other Interest: > > www.ivga.com > > www.games-advertising.com > > www.whra.com > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:17UT9.239200$[email hidden]... > > > Don my only comment on this is the fact that this seems to be more about > > > marketing Ratbag products than doing an actual impartial review. I can > > > understand helping Ratbag but if the review is biased from the start it > > > offers little to the sim community IMHO. > > > > > > "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:I4DT9.19410$[email hidden]... > > > Here is a little update on the resources we have for reviewers. Again > > > looking for websites that review games and are interested in RATBAG > > > latest products about to be released. These are for PC Games and we > > > try and support RATBAGs as they do PC games still unlike several of > > > the other companies that have bailed exclusively to consoles. So > > > if you feel you can do a good review and get the word out. Contact > > > me. > > > > > > Here are some resources I got today from RATBAG you will get! > > > > > > 1. Interviews with the team or team members > > > 2. Promotional samples limit 50 (available on release) > > > 3. Artwork - Screen shots, logo's etc. > > > 4. Demo - Available First week of Feb > > > 5. The lastest available review code. > > > > > > -- > > > Donald Wilshe > > > 888 588-9207 > > > Martel Brothers Performance, Worlds Largest On-Line Auto Parts Mfg > Catalog > > > Library > > > www.martelbros.com > > > Other Interest: > > > www.ivga.com > > > www.games-advertising.com > > > www.whra.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nQZT9.23482$[email hidden]... > Marketing is a double edge sword.. Its all about educating the publicabout > the > game. If the reviewer writes a bad reviews than its useless for the > public. We > want the review to be spot on!<snip> No, Don a bad review is useful in that it warns the public of a bad product, a review done badly is something different! >"We want the review to be spot on!" In other words you want some one to write a positive review Also. it is Marketing's job to "sell" the product, put a positive spin on everything regarding the product and do damage control when the shit hits the fan. You should have been forthright and said you are looking for someone to write a positive review even if they think it stinks! You're not fooling us Don. -- Edward Commissioner Middle-Aged Racers Association (MARA) http://members.rogers.com/ecrawford1/mara/maramain.htm

Edward: Bad can be interpreted in 2 ways.. A bad reviewer that cant do a good job from lack of understanding, prejudcie, etc and a bad review on the product that deserves it.. there is a difference. We always hope that product we work on being in development, publishing or the love of a product are good.. but Edward Shhhhhhhh happens.. Of all the products I have promoted I do like: DTR, DTR2, WOO, WOO2, LEADFOOT, PCE, BURNOUT, and NIRA. Are real stinker was IHRA. Does this help... DW "EdwardC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:t13U9.6187$[email hidden]...

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> > "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:nQZT9.23482$[email hidden]... > > Marketing is a double edge sword.. Its all about educating the public > about > > the > > game. If the reviewer writes a bad reviews than its useless for the > > public. We > > want the review to be spot on! > <snip> > > No, Don a bad review is useful in that it warns the public of a bad

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> a review done badly is something different! > > >"We want the review to be spot on!" > > In other words you want some one to write a positive review > Also. it is Marketing's job to "sell" the product, put a positive spin on > everything regarding the product and do damage control when the shit hits > the fan. > You should have been forthright and said you are looking for someone to > write a positive review even if they think it stinks! You're not fooling

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> Don. > > -- > Edward > Commissioner > Middle-Aged Racers Association (MARA) > http://members.rogers.com/ecrawford1/mara/maramain.htm > > >

What part of the english language dont you understand. lol > You should have been forthright and said you are looking for someone to > write a positive review even if they think it stinks! You're not foolingus

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> Don. > > -- > Edward > Commissioner > Middle-Aged Racers Association (MARA) > http://members.rogers.com/ecrawford1/mara/maramain.htm > > >

"What part of the english language dont you understand." ??? Not a very professional reply for someone trying to market products, particularly from one that commonly makes posts with grammatical errors and that are difficult to understand. Not trying to attack you Don but your tact on this issue has been poor. "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WI3U9.112888$[email hidden]...

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> What part of the english language dont you understand. > > lol > > > > > You should have been forthright and said you are looking for someone to > > write a positive review even if they think it stinks! You're not fooling > us > > Don. > > > > -- > > Edward > > Commissioner > > Middle-Aged Racers Association (MARA) > > http://members.rogers.com/ecrawford1/mara/maramain.htm > > > > > > > >

"Don Wilshe" wrote: > What part of the english language dont you understand. > > lol 2 minutes earlier Don wilshe wrote: > Are real stinker was IHRA. mmmm...

> What part of the english language dont you understand. >The part you have mutilated and twisted to suit your own needs... oh and this part "Are real stinker was IHRA." -- Edward Commissioner Middle-Aged Racers Association (MARA) http://members.rogers.com/ecrawford1/mara/maramain.htm

In article <t13U9.6187$[email hidden]>, "EdwardC" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>In other words you want some one to write a positive review >Also. it is Marketing's job to "sell" the product, put a positive spin on >everything regarding the product and do damage control when the shit hits >the fan. >You should have been forthright and said you are looking for someone to >write a positive review even if they think it stinks! You're not fooling us >Don.

Maybe I'm just being naive, but I didn't see that. You should be able to write whatever you want. Besides, if you simply wanted to slag a product, you could do it here. There are also numerous racing sim sites/forums. If the product truly sucks(Test Drive LeMans/SOS37?), people hear about it. If the product is a good one, even the occasional detractor isn't given much credence. I see it as: survival of the fittest, what the market will bear, supply/demand, <insert cliche here>... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.