I'm using a TSW2 steering wheel/split axis with DK pots. I have
always used the game port on all my SoundBlaster sound cards, but since I
upgraded to a Asus A7V333 motherboard with a AMD 2000+ XP cpu I couldn't get
the sound card to work correctly, so I've been using the built in sound card
on the board.
The Thomas Steering Wheel site lists a Rockfire USB adapter for their
wheels with DK pots that allows you to use a USB port. Installation was a
snap and it works perfectly for 12 laps of racing, then I loose the signal
from the wheel. There is a small patch to fix the loss of signal if your MB
uses a VIA chipset, which the Asus board does. I installed the patch, but
I'm still loosing the signal after 10-12 laps.
Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
Thanks,
Joel Willstein
--
"If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a corner
till the time you brake for the next turn
, then you have enough horsepower."
Mark Donohue
Check eRacer garage, there is discussion on it there last few days. Seatec
"Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:M8MT9.69046$[email hidden]...
> I'm using a TSW2 steering wheel/split axis with DK pots. I have
> always used the game port on all my SoundBlaster sound cards, but since I
> upgraded to a Asus A7V333 motherboard with a AMD 2000+ XP cpu I couldn'tget
> the sound card to work correctly, so I've been using the built in soundcard
> on the board.
>
> The Thomas Steering Wheel site lists a Rockfire USB adapter fortheir
> wheels with DK pots that allows you to use a USB port. Installation was a
> snap and it works perfectly for 12 laps of racing, then I loose the signal
> from the wheel. There is a small patch to fix the loss of signal if yourMB
corner
Quoted text (13 lines)
> uses a VIA chipset, which the Asus board does. I installed the patch, but > I'm still loosing the signal after 10-12 laps. > > Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? > > Thanks, > > Joel Willstein > > -- > > > "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit aQuoted text (7 lines)
> till the time you brake for the next turn > , then you have enough horsepower." > Mark Donohue > > > >Wayne,
After reading all the posts, I couldn't find one that really liked the
adapter. Looks like I'll just go back to the game port for now.
Joel Willstein
--
"If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a corner
till the time you brake for the next turn
, then you have enough horsepower."
Mark Donohue
"Wayne Langille" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:alXT9.8933$[email hidden]...
> Check eRacer garage, there is discussion on it there last few days.
Seatec
> "Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:M8MT9.69046$[email hidden]...
> > I'm using a TSW2 steering wheel/split axis with DK pots. I have
> > always used the game port on all my SoundBlaster sound cards, but since
I
> > upgraded to a Asus A7V333 motherboard with a AMD 2000+ XP cpu I couldn't
> get
> > the sound card to work correctly, so I've been using the built in sound
> card
> > on the board.
> >
> > The Thomas Steering Wheel site lists a Rockfire USB adapter for
> their
> > wheels with DK pots that allows you to use a USB port. Installation was
a
> > snap and it works perfectly for 12 laps of racing, then I loose the
signal
> > from the wheel. There is a small patch to fix the loss of signal if your
> MB
> > uses a VIA chipset, which the Asus board does. I installed the patch,
but
> > I'm still loosing the signal after 10-12 laps.
> >
> > Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Joel Willstein
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a
> corner
> > till the time you brake for the next turn
> > , then you have enough horsepower."
> > Mark Donohue
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
It sounds more like a USB problem than the adapter. Many people have
similar issues on Via boards with onboard USB. Perhaps try a PCI USB card.
Also to use the Rockfire adapter with the TSW you either need 250k pots or
their addon adapter to use with 50k pots.
eRacer Garage
http://schooner.gotdns.com/eracer
"Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:TAYT9.81132$[email hidden]...
> Wayne,
>
> After reading all the posts, I couldn't find one that really likedthe
corner
since
> I
> > > upgraded to a Asus A7V333 motherboard with a AMD 2000+ XP cpu Icouldn't
> > get
> > > the sound card to work correctly, so I've been using the built insound
> > card
> > > on the board.
> > >
> > > The Thomas Steering Wheel site lists a Rockfire USB adapter for
> > their
> > > wheels with DK pots that allows you to use a USB port. Installationwas
> a
> > > snap and it works perfectly for 12 laps of racing, then I loose the
> signal
> > > from the wheel. There is a small patch to fix the loss of signal ifyour
Quoted text (8 lines)
> adapter. Looks like I'll just go back to the game port for now. > > Joel Willstein > > -- > > > "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit aQuoted text (13 lines)
> till the time you brake for the next turn > , then you have enough horsepower." > Mark Donohue > > > "Wayne Langille" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:alXT9.8933$[email hidden]... > > Check eRacer garage, there is discussion on it there last few days. > Seatec > > "Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:M8MT9.69046$[email hidden]... > > > I'm using a TSW2 steering wheel/split axis with DK pots. I have > > > always used the game port on all my SoundBlaster sound cards, butQuoted text (27 lines)
> > MB > > > uses a VIA chipset, which the Asus board does. I installed the patch, > but > > > I'm still loosing the signal after 10-12 laps. > > > > > > Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Joel Willstein > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a > > corner > > > till the time you brake for the next turn > > > , then you have enough horsepower." > > > Mark Donohue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Where did you get your DK Pots?
I'm looking for a supplier. Thomas is a little to high in price.
Thx,
ZZ
Richard "ZZ" Busch
Member:
Screamers Racing League
CORS
RASCAR
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http://www.ZZBusch.com
----------------
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Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward
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A good carpenter can nail anything
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Just for the heck of it, I uninstalled the fix applet and then tried a
17 lap race in GTR 2002. Not a problem. I'll do a few more and see what
happens. But could the fix be just for USB 1.0 and I'm using USB 2.0?
If the problem comes back, then I'll just try the PCI USB card.
Thanks,
Joel Willstein
--
"If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a corner
till the time you brake for the next turn
, then you have enough horsepower."
Mark Donohue
"eRacer Garage" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:gLYT9.239289$[email hidden]...
> It sounds more like a USB problem than the adapter. Many people have
> similar issues on Via boards with onboard USB. Perhaps try a PCI USB
card.
>
> Also to use the Rockfire adapter with the TSW you either need 250k pots or
> their addon adapter to use with 50k pots.
>
> eRacer Garage
> http://schooner.gotdns.com/eracer
>
> "Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:TAYT9.81132$[email hidden]...
> > Wayne,
> >
> > After reading all the posts, I couldn't find one that really liked
> the
> > adapter. Looks like I'll just go back to the game port for now.
> >
> > Joel Willstein
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a
> corner
> > till the time you brake for the next turn
> > , then you have enough horsepower."
> > Mark Donohue
> >
> >
> > "Wayne Langille" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:alXT9.8933$[email hidden]...
> > > Check eRacer garage, there is discussion on it there last few days.
> > Seatec
> > > "Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > news:M8MT9.69046$[email hidden]...
> > > > I'm using a TSW2 steering wheel/split axis with DK pots. I
have
> > > > always used the game port on all my SoundBlaster sound cards, but
> since
> > I
> > > > upgraded to a Asus A7V333 motherboard with a AMD 2000+ XP cpu I
> couldn't
> > > get
> > > > the sound card to work correctly, so I've been using the built in
> sound
> > > card
> > > > on the board.
> > > >
> > > > The Thomas Steering Wheel site lists a Rockfire USB adapter
for
> > > their
> > > > wheels with DK pots that allows you to use a USB port. Installation
> was
> > a
> > > > snap and it works perfectly for 12 laps of racing, then I loose the
> > signal
> > > > from the wheel. There is a small patch to fix the loss of signal if
> your
> > > MB
> > > > uses a VIA chipset, which the Asus board does. I installed the
patch,
> > but
> > > > I'm still loosing the signal after 10-12 laps.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Joel Willstein
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a
> > > corner
> > > > till the time you brake for the next turn
> > > > , then you have enough horsepower."
> > > > Mark Donohue
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
ZZ,
Sorry to tell you this, but I get them from Thomas Steering Wheels. In
the 2 1/2 years I've had my TSW2, I've only changed one pot.
Joel Willstein
--
"If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a corner
till the time you brake for the next turn
, then you have enough horsepower."
Mark Donohue
"ZZ Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Where did you get your DK Pots?
> I'm looking for a supplier. Thomas is a little to high in price.
>
> Thx,
> ZZ
>
> Richard "ZZ" Busch
>
> Member:
> Screamers Racing League
> CORS
> RASCAR
> GPL Rank + 17.415
> MoGPL Rank + 318.785
> N2002 Rank + 7.695
>
>
> http://www.ZZBusch.com
> ----------------
> Busch Motorsports:
> Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward
> -----------------
> Busch Carpentry:
> A good carpenter can nail anything
> -----------------
>
>
>
>
Joel, I missed your original post but I've been using the Rockfire since May
and no problems.
Mike
"Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:TAYT9.81132$[email hidden]...
> Wayne,
>
> After reading all the posts, I couldn't find one that really likedthe
corner
since
> I
> > > upgraded to a Asus A7V333 motherboard with a AMD 2000+ XP cpu Icouldn't
> > get
> > > the sound card to work correctly, so I've been using the built insound
> > card
> > > on the board.
> > >
> > > The Thomas Steering Wheel site lists a Rockfire USB adapter for
> > their
> > > wheels with DK pots that allows you to use a USB port. Installationwas
> a
> > > snap and it works perfectly for 12 laps of racing, then I loose the
> signal
> > > from the wheel. There is a small patch to fix the loss of signal ifyour
Quoted text (8 lines)
> adapter. Looks like I'll just go back to the game port for now. > > Joel Willstein > > -- > > > "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit aQuoted text (13 lines)
> till the time you brake for the next turn > , then you have enough horsepower." > Mark Donohue > > > "Wayne Langille" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:alXT9.8933$[email hidden]... > > Check eRacer garage, there is discussion on it there last few days. > Seatec > > "Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:M8MT9.69046$[email hidden]... > > > I'm using a TSW2 steering wheel/split axis with DK pots. I have > > > always used the game port on all my SoundBlaster sound cards, butQuoted text (27 lines)
> > MB > > > uses a VIA chipset, which the Asus board does. I installed the patch, > but > > > I'm still loosing the signal after 10-12 laps. > > > > > > Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Joel Willstein > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a > > corner > > > till the time you brake for the next turn > > > , then you have enough horsepower." > > > Mark Donohue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You can buy them via www.digikey.ca. That's the company that makes them I
think. For you Americans, that should be a bargain. The only problem, you
only get the pots, not the wires nor the plugs; some assembly required. They
are 1/3 of the price of what Thomas Enterprise is asking for.
--
Philippe "Philster" Sergerie
"ZZ Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Where did you get your DK Pots?
> I'm looking for a supplier. Thomas is a little to high in price.
>
> Thx,
> ZZ
>
> Richard "ZZ" Busch
>
> Member:
> Screamers Racing League
> CORS
> RASCAR
> GPL Rank + 17.415
> MoGPL Rank + 318.785
> N2002 Rank + 7.695
>
>
> http://www.ZZBusch.com
> ----------------
> Busch Motorsports:
> Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward
> -----------------
> Busch Carpentry:
> A good carpenter can nail anything
> -----------------
>
>
>
>
Digikey is not a manufacture but a electronics supply house and a great
source for sure. Did not know they had DK pots. www.Digikey.com is the US
site. Great company, have used them a number of times in.the past.
eRacer Garage
http://schooner.gotdns.com/eracer
"Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:Aq2U9.56918$[email hidden]...
> You can buy them via www.digikey.ca. That's the company that makes them I
> think. For you Americans, that should be a bargain. The only problem, you
> only get the pots, not the wires nor the plugs; some assembly required.They
Quoted text (38 lines)
> are 1/3 of the price of what Thomas Enterprise is asking for. > > -- > Philippe "Philster" Sergerie > > "ZZ Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Where did you get your DK Pots? > > I'm looking for a supplier. Thomas is a little to high in price. > > > > Thx, > > ZZ > > > > Richard "ZZ" Busch > > > > Member: > > Screamers Racing League > > CORS > > RASCAR > > GPL Rank + 17.415 > > MoGPL Rank + 318.785 > > N2002 Rank + 7.695 > > > > > > http://www.ZZBusch.com > > ---------------- > > Busch Motorsports: > > Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward > > ----------------- > > Busch Carpentry: > > A good carpenter can nail anything > > ----------------- > > > > > > > > > >What pots are you using with it? Do you have the TSW adapter as well?
eRacer Garage
http://schooner.gotdns.com/eracer
"Michael Horton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:8q2U9.10091$[email hidden]...
> Joel, I missed your original post but I've been using the Rockfire sinceMay
have
for
patch,
Quoted text (31 lines)
> and no problems. > > Mike > > "Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:TAYT9.81132$[email hidden]... > > Wayne, > > > > After reading all the posts, I couldn't find one that really liked > the > > adapter. Looks like I'll just go back to the game port for now. > > > > Joel Willstein > > > > -- > > > > > > "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a > corner > > till the time you brake for the next turn > > , then you have enough horsepower." > > Mark Donohue > > > > > > "Wayne Langille" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:alXT9.8933$[email hidden]... > > > Check eRacer garage, there is discussion on it there last few days. > > Seatec > > > "Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:M8MT9.69046$[email hidden]... > > > > I'm using a TSW2 steering wheel/split axis with DK pots. IQuoted text (12 lines)
> > > > always used the game port on all my SoundBlaster sound cards, but > since > > I > > > > upgraded to a Asus A7V333 motherboard with a AMD 2000+ XP cpu I > couldn't > > > get > > > > the sound card to work correctly, so I've been using the built in > sound > > > card > > > > on the board. > > > > > > > > The Thomas Steering Wheel site lists a Rockfire USB adapterQuoted text (10 lines)
> > > their > > > > wheels with DK pots that allows you to use a USB port. Installation > was > > a > > > > snap and it works perfectly for 12 laps of racing, then I loose the > > signal > > > > from the wheel. There is a small patch to fix the loss of signal if > your > > > MB > > > > uses a VIA chipset, which the Asus board does. I installed theQuoted text (27 lines)
> > but > > > > I'm still loosing the signal after 10-12 laps. > > > > > > > > Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Joel Willstein > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a > > > corner > > > > till the time you brake for the next turn > > > > , then you have enough horsepower." > > > > Mark Donohue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Do you happen to know the Digikey part number of them?
"Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:Aq2U9.56918$[email hidden]...
> You can buy them via www.digikey.ca. That's the company that makes them I
> think. For you Americans, that should be a bargain. The only problem, you
> only get the pots, not the wires nor the plugs; some assembly required.They
Quoted text (38 lines)
> are 1/3 of the price of what Thomas Enterprise is asking for. > > -- > Philippe "Philster" Sergerie > > "ZZ Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Where did you get your DK Pots? > > I'm looking for a supplier. Thomas is a little to high in price. > > > > Thx, > > ZZ > > > > Richard "ZZ" Busch > > > > Member: > > Screamers Racing League > > CORS > > RASCAR > > GPL Rank + 17.415 > > MoGPL Rank + 318.785 > > N2002 Rank + 7.695 > > > > > > http://www.ZZBusch.com > > ---------------- > > Busch Motorsports: > > Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward > > ----------------- > > Busch Carpentry: > > A good carpenter can nail anything > > ----------------- > > > > > > > > > >are you using a hub I had the same problem once I took it out of the hub
worked great
"Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:M8MT9.69046$[email hidden]...
> I'm using a TSW2 steering wheel/split axis with DK pots. I have
> always used the game port on all my SoundBlaster sound cards, but since I
> upgraded to a Asus A7V333 motherboard with a AMD 2000+ XP cpu I couldn'tget
> the sound card to work correctly, so I've been using the built in soundcard
> on the board.
>
> The Thomas Steering Wheel site lists a Rockfire USB adapter fortheir
> wheels with DK pots that allows you to use a USB port. Installation was a
> snap and it works perfectly for 12 laps of racing, then I loose the signal
> from the wheel. There is a small patch to fix the loss of signal if yourMB
corner
Quoted text (13 lines)
> uses a VIA chipset, which the Asus board does. I installed the patch, but > I'm still loosing the signal after 10-12 laps. > > Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? > > Thanks, > > Joel Willstein > > -- > > > "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit aQuoted text (7 lines)
> till the time you brake for the next turn > , then you have enough horsepower." > Mark Donohue > > > >I use the RV4N254C-ND.
"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:cz2U9.239398$[email hidden]...
> Do you happen to know the Digikey part number of them?
>
> "Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:Aq2U9.56918$[email hidden]...
> > You can buy them via www.digikey.ca. That's the company that makes themI
> > think. For you Americans, that should be a bargain. The only problem,you
Quoted text (42 lines)
> > only get the pots, not the wires nor the plugs; some assembly required. > They > > are 1/3 of the price of what Thomas Enterprise is asking for. > > > > -- > > Philippe "Philster" Sergerie > > > > "ZZ Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Where did you get your DK Pots? > > > I'm looking for a supplier. Thomas is a little to high in price. > > > > > > Thx, > > > ZZ > > > > > > Richard "ZZ" Busch > > > > > > Member: > > > Screamers Racing League > > > CORS > > > RASCAR > > > GPL Rank + 17.415 > > > MoGPL Rank + 318.785 > > > N2002 Rank + 7.695 > > > > > > > > > http://www.ZZBusch.com > > > ---------------- > > > Busch Motorsports: > > > Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward > > > ----------------- > > > Busch Carpentry: > > > A good carpenter can nail anything > > > ----------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:07:03 -0500, ZZ Busch wrote:
> Where did you get your DK Pots?
> I'm looking for a supplier. Thomas is a little to high in price.
>
> Thx,
> ZZ
>
Hi ZZ,
I have had my tsw for 1.5 years and have replaced two pots (gas
and steering) with "old" Thrustmaster T2 spares I had lying
around. They work beautifully and last long if you spray & seal
them right before installation. Haven't had to change a single
pot since!
cheers,
Uwe
--
mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox)
Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/
Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E)
GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61
Silly me! I thought DK stood for DigiKey ;)
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"eRacer Garage" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:au2U9.239393$[email hidden]...
> Digikey is not a manufacture but a electronics supply house and a great
> source for sure. Did not know they had DK pots. www.Digikey.com is the
US
> site. Great company, have used them a number of times in.the past.
>
> eRacer Garage
> http://schooner.gotdns.com/eracer
>
> "Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:Aq2U9.56918$[email hidden]...
> > You can buy them via www.digikey.ca. That's the company that makes them
I
> > think. For you Americans, that should be a bargain. The only problem,
you
> > only get the pots, not the wires nor the plugs; some assembly required.
> They
> > are 1/3 of the price of what Thomas Enterprise is asking for.
> >
> > --
> > Philippe "Philster" Sergerie
> >
> > "ZZ Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> > > Where did you get your DK Pots?
> > > I'm looking for a supplier. Thomas is a little to high in price.
> > >
> > > Thx,
> > > ZZ
> > >
> > > Richard "ZZ" Busch
> > >
> > > Member:
> > > Screamers Racing League
> > > CORS
> > > RASCAR
> > > GPL Rank + 17.415
> > > MoGPL Rank + 318.785
> > > N2002 Rank + 7.695
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.ZZBusch.com
> > > ----------------
> > > Busch Motorsports:
> > > Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward
> > > -----------------
> > > Busch Carpentry:
> > > A good carpenter can nail anything
> > > -----------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Just the regular DK pots and yes I've got the adapter as well.
"eRacer Garage" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:Pu2U9.239395$[email hidden]...
> What pots are you using with it? Do you have the TSW adapter as well?
>
> eRacer Garage
> http://schooner.gotdns.com/eracer
>
I've run 2 17-18 lap races in GTR 2002 and 2 27 lap races at
Zandvoort in GPL with the Rockfire USB adapter but without the VIA fix. Not
a single problem. Seems that the fix does the opposite for me.
Joel Willstein
--
"If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a corner
till the time you brake for the next turn
, then you have enough horsepower."
Mark Donohue
"Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:M8MT9.69046$[email hidden]...
> I'm using a TSW2 steering wheel/split axis with DK pots. I have
> always used the game port on all my SoundBlaster sound cards, but since I
> upgraded to a Asus A7V333 motherboard with a AMD 2000+ XP cpu I couldn't
get
> the sound card to work correctly, so I've been using the built in sound
card
> on the board.
>
> The Thomas Steering Wheel site lists a Rockfire USB adapter for
their
> wheels with DK pots that allows you to use a USB port. Installation was a
> snap and it works perfectly for 12 laps of racing, then I loose the signal
> from the wheel. There is a small patch to fix the loss of signal if your
MB
> uses a VIA chipset, which the Asus board does. I installed the patch, but
> I'm still loosing the signal after 10-12 laps.
>
> Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joel Willstein
>
> --
>
>
> "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a
corner
> till the time you brake for the next turn
> , then you have enough horsepower."
> Mark Donohue
>
>
>
>


































