What a Load of Horseshit

I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint forum, and they deleted the message. The decal is the words "JAP CARS", with a red circle around it and a slash through the text.

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint > forum, and they deleted the message. > > The decal is the words "JAP CARS", with a red circle around it and a > slash through the text. So what's your point? Malc.

Yeah...i also fail to see why you have posted that 'really' interesting point in here. Takes all sorts but your sort..no thanks. alt.dudes.weirdoftheworld ...might be to your liking.:) AD

John. You can stick your head in the sand, you can belly-ache all you want, but Companies like Sierra are NOT going to allow you to post antiANYTHING messages. Do you think there are no Asian Americans(or Japanese in general) who sim-race? Why do you suppose NASCAR is allowing Toyota to join in? Because they know that companies like Toyota represent a large percentage of people that, at present, Nascar doesn't sell to very well. What are your paticular dislike of Japanese cars? A goodly portion of TOyota's are built right here in America, probably more Toyota's are assembled within the USofA than Dodges.(which farm out a sizeable portion of thier manufactuering to Canada and Mexico.) Do you dis-approve of Japanese companies taking American money? Well GM has offshoots in Australia, Britain, Sweede, etc etc. Same for Ford...and just who owns Daimler-Chrysler? Are American Executives MORE WORTHY of your $$?(see Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, etc etc) So now your in a tizzy because in about 4 or 5 more years there will be a Camry at Daytona? Seems like there are plenty of other things to get all chuffed about rather than ANOTHER manufacturer taking part and supporting a racing series. Ask CART if they'd like to have Toyota back. dave henrie "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint > forum, and they deleted the message. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.441 / Virus Database: 247 - Release Date: 1/9/03

LOL! Stepped on someone's toes eh? Aww John, don't let 'em get you down. If you've been reading the news lately, you know the Japanese are wooing NASCAR. Heaven forbid there be any controversy surrounding NASCAR. (That's a poor attempt at sarcasm for those of you who can't take a joke) BTW, do you know where I could find a real decal like that? After the Honda/Toyota/CART parting of the ways, I'd like one for both my Volvos ;-) Don "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint > forum, and they deleted the message. > > The decal is the words "JAP CARS", with a red circle around it and a > slash through the text. >

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> Yeah...i also fail to see why you have posted that 'really' interesting > point in here. > > Takes all sorts but your sort..no thanks. > > alt.dudes.weirdoftheworld > > ...might be to your liking.:) > > AD

STFU - Being from Europe, you're probably used to having your right to free speech imfringed upon, but I'm *not*.

>"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote > I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint > forum, and they deleted the message. Well it's their forum, they can do whatever they want. You, of course, can also post it elsewhere if you want on the Internet :) <trying to be neutral> -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

In article <IklU9.658877$%[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > John. You can stick your head in the sand, you can belly-ache all you > want, but Companies like Sierra are NOT going to allow you to post > antiANYTHING messages. Do you think there are no Asian Americans(or > Japanese in general) who sim-race? It said "no jap *cars*", not "no japs". > Why do you suppose NASCAR is allowing Toyota to join in? Because they > know that companies like Toyota represent a large percentage of people that, > at present, Nascar doesn't sell to very well. Who really gives a shit why they're doing it? It's just wrong. > What are your paticular dislike of Japanese cars? A goodly portion of > TOyota's are built right here in America, probably more Toyota's are > assembled within the USofA than Dodges.(which farm out a sizeable portion of > thier manufactuering to Canada and Mexico.) I'm not going to argue semantics. Sure, blah blah blah, all the cars in the world are now made in japan or Germany, blah blah - horseshit. > Do you dis-approve of Japanese companies taking American money? Well GM > has offshoots in Australia, Britain, Sweede, etc etc. Same for Ford...and > just who owns Daimler-Chrysler? That's NOT the point, Dave. > Are American Executives MORE WORTHY of your $$?(see Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, > etc etc) That's completely out of context. > So now your in a tizzy because in about 4 or 5 more years there will be a > Camry at Daytona? Seems like there are plenty of other things to get all > chuffed about rather than ANOTHER manufacturer taking part and supporting a > racing series. Nascar is the only series left that uses only American branded cars. It's been that way since 1957, and I see it as an *American* institution. It's completely within my rights to be pissed off that they're gonna let something overtly foreign run in Winston Cup. > Ask CART if they'd like to have Toyota back. I don't give a rat's ass about CART, and that's out of context too. I'd be just as pissed off if Mercedes, Fiat, or Ferrari were the marque in question. Is my opionion gonna have any effect on what Nascar does? No. Is that gonna change my views, no way. Do you have to agree? Nope, and I don't really care who does or doesn't agree. However, censorship of an opinion simply because it's unpopular is the first step to fascism.

Sorry, the idea came to me earlier this morning, and I haven't had a chance to get it to the decal manufacturers yet. :) In article <avsnuf$gnt$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> LOL! Stepped on someone's toes eh? > > Aww John, don't let 'em get you down. If you've been reading the news > lately, you know the Japanese are wooing NASCAR. Heaven forbid there be any > controversy surrounding NASCAR. (That's a poor attempt at sarcasm for those > of you who can't take a joke) > > BTW, do you know where I could find a real decal like that? After the > Honda/Toyota/CART parting of the ways, I'd like one for both my Volvos ;-) > > Don > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint > > forum, and they deleted the message. > > > > The decal is the words "JAP CARS", with a red circle around it and a > > slash through the text. > > > > >

I would like to add that the Camry that is sold in America was also designed and is built in America by Americans. The design studio is right here in good old Ann Arbor, MI. The Camry is as American as a Dodge, and has every right to be represented in NASCAR. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IklU9.658877$%[email hidden]... > John. You can stick your head in the sand, you can belly-ache all you > want, but Companies like Sierra are NOT going to allow you to post > antiANYTHING messages. Do you think there are no Asian Americans(or > Japanese in general) who sim-race? > Why do you suppose NASCAR is allowing Toyota to join in? Because they > know that companies like Toyota represent a large percentage of peoplethat, > at present, Nascar doesn't sell to very well. > What are your paticular dislike of Japanese cars? A goodly portion of > TOyota's are built right here in America, probably more Toyota's are > assembled within the USofA than Dodges.(which farm out a sizeable portionof > thier manufactuering to Canada and Mexico.) > Do you dis-approve of Japanese companies taking American money? WellGM > has offshoots in Australia, Britain, Sweede, etc etc. Same for Ford...and > just who owns Daimler-Chrysler? > Are American Executives MORE WORTHY of your $$?(see Enron, Worldcom,Tyco, > etc etc) > So now your in a tizzy because in about 4 or 5 more years there will be a > Camry at Daytona? Seems like there are plenty of other things to get all > chuffed about rather than ANOTHER manufacturer taking part and supportinga

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> racing series. > Ask CART if they'd like to have Toyota back. > dave henrie > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint > > forum, and they deleted the message. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.441 / Virus Database: 247 - Release Date: 1/9/03 > >

I'm not from Europe and I too fail to see why you have posted this complete dribble for us to glare upon. Vintook "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <avsl57$u0l$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > Yeah...i also fail to see why you have posted that 'really' interesting > > point in here. > > > > Takes all sorts but your sort..no thanks. > > > > alt.dudes.weirdoftheworld > > > > ...might be to your liking.:) > > > > AD > > > STFU - Being from Europe, you're probably used to having your right > to free speech imfringed upon, but I'm *not*.

On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:36:58 -0500, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I would like to add that the Camry that is sold in America was also designed >and is built in America by Americans. The design studio is right here in >good old Ann Arbor, MI. The Camry is as American as a Dodge, and has every >right to be represented in NASCAR. You could also add that "American" cars just happen to be primarily built in Mexico using parts manufactured in Taiwan, China, and Japan. Jason

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <IklU9.658877$%[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > John. You can stick your head in the sand, you can belly-ache allyou

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> > want, but Companies like Sierra are NOT going to allow you to post > > antiANYTHING messages. Do you think there are no Asian Americans(or > > Japanese in general) who sim-race? > > It said "no jap *cars*", not "no japs". > > > Why do you suppose NASCAR is allowing Toyota to join in? Because

they > > know that companies like Toyota represent a large percentage of peoplethat, > > at present, Nascar doesn't sell to very well. > > Who really gives a shit why they're doing it? It's just wrong. > > > What are your paticular dislike of Japanese cars? A goodly portionof > > TOyota's are built right here in America, probably more Toyota's are > > assembled within the USofA than Dodges.(which farm out a sizeableportion of > > thier manufactuering to Canada and Mexico.) > > I'm not going to argue semantics. Sure, blah blah blah, all the cars > in the world are now made in japan or Germany, blah blah - horseshit. > > > Do you dis-approve of Japanese companies taking American money? WellGM > > has offshoots in Australia, Britain, Sweede, etc etc. Same forFord...and > > just who owns Daimler-Chrysler? > > That's NOT the point, Dave. > > > Are American Executives MORE WORTHY of your $$?(see Enron, Worldcom,Tyco, > > etc etc) > > That's completely out of context. > > > So now your in a tizzy because in about 4 or 5 more years there will bea > > Camry at Daytona? Seems like there are plenty of other things to getall > > chuffed about rather than ANOTHER manufacturer taking part andsupporting a

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> > racing series. > > Nascar is the only series left that uses only American branded cars. > It's been that way since 1957, and I see it as an *American* > institution. It's completely within my rights to be pissed off that > they're gonna let something overtly foreign run in Winston Cup. > > > Ask CART if they'd like to have Toyota back. > > I don't give a rat's ass about CART, and that's out of context too. > > I'd be just as pissed off if Mercedes, Fiat, or Ferrari were the > marque in question. > > Is my opionion gonna have any effect on what Nascar does? No. Is > that gonna change my views, no way. Do you have to agree? Nope, and > I don't really care who does or doesn't agree. > > However, censorship of an opinion simply because it's unpopular is > the first step to fascism.

I'm with John on this one. But Nascar's ruined already anyway, so what the hell. Just another pro sport now, and that's no compliment in my book. John

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... <snipped> > you're probably used to having your right > to free speech imfringed upon, but I'm *not*. You appear to have grossly misunderstood the right to free speech. I recommend you actually check your rights before this misunderstanding gets you beaten up in a bar somewhere. You also appear to have a certain lack of tact, which is probably even more likely to get you beaten up in a bar. HAND, Malc.

Ah so he's not really anti-Japanese...he's just anti-competition! If a Japanese manufacturer (or any other for that matter) can give these 'domestic' car-makers a run for their money while following Nascar's rules, I'm all for it! International competition has done wonders for racing (and street cars) over the the past 3 decades and you as an *American* (...yawn...) should realize that. Pull your head out of your ass and start thinking like a 'capitalist' ignoramus, instead of a 'patriotic' ignoramous. Just my $0.02... > Nascar is the only series left that uses only American branded cars. > It's been that way since 1957, and I see it as an *American* > institution. It's completely within my rights to be pissed off that > they're gonna let something overtly foreign run in Winston Cup.

John Simmons wrote: > However, censorship of an opinion simply because it's unpopular is > the first step to fascism. Some of the more vital parts of Fascism are Nationalism, Militarism & Racism. You are exhibiting at least 2 of those yourself. -- Fester Hardware, n.: The parts of a computer system that can be kicked.

John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > >STFU - Being from Europe, you're probably used to having your right >to free speech imfringed upon, but I'm *not*. Without getting into the subject matter of your complaint, I just wanted to comment on your "right to free speech", and the inevitible claims of "censorship" which are sure to follow. Yes, the Constitution of the United States guarantees you the right to whatever opinion you want and the right to express that opinion without fear of persecution or prosecution. What it most emphatically does NOT guarantee you is that someone is obligated to provide you with the means to express that opinion. So, if some third party owns a privately operated website (or radio station or newspaper or TV station) there is no obligation on their part to give you a forum to publish or broadcast your opinion. So if, for example, you had expressed your negative opinions about Japanese cars in NASCAR in a letter to the editor or an Op-Ed piece to your local newspaper and they declined to publish it, does this constitute "censorship" or otherwise violate your right to free speech? Nope, not at all. This third party also has "rights", and one of them is the right to broadcast/publish whatever they choose. You are perfectly entitled to start your own website (or radio station or newspaper or TV station) and broadcast whatever opinion you want. As long as you are not engaging in slander or libel or breaking any anti-hate laws, then no problem, rant away.

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint > forum, and they deleted the message. > > The decal is the words "JAP CARS", with a red circle around it and a > slash through the text. >Are you really this stupid, or just think you're being funny? Its a racial slur and Sierra has every right not to allow it on their site. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash

In article <3goU9.44810$pDv.38255 @news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, [email hidden] says... > Ah so he's not really anti-Japanese...he's just anti-competition! No, I'm anti-foreign-branded cars in Winston cup. > If a Japanese manufacturer (or any other for that matter) can give these > 'domestic' car-makers a run for their money while following Nascar's rules, > I'm all for it! Manufacturers haven't been able to give anyone a "run for their money" since Nascar outlawed competition. > International competition has done wonders for racing (and street cars) over > the the past 3 decades and you as an *American* (...yawn...) should realize > that. Yeah, look what it did to - err - for CART and F1... > Pull your head out of your ass and start thinking like a 'capitalist' > ignoramus, instead of a 'patriotic' ignoramous. There's not a damn thing wrong with being patriotic.

says... No, I'm anti-foreign-branded cars in Winston cup. Manufacturers haven't been able to give anyone a "run for their money" since Nascar outlawed competition. Yeah, look what it did to - err - for CART and F1... There's not a damn thing wrong with being patriotic.

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> John Simmons wrote: > >> However, censorship of an opinion simply because it's unpopular is >> the first step to fascism. > > > Some of the more vital parts of Fascism are Nationalism, Militarism & > Racism. You are exhibiting at least 2 of those yourself. > >

Where's Papa Doc when you need him. dave henrie

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> Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote in news:m-6cnQkk6IREir- > [email hidden]: > > >>John Simmons wrote: >> >> >>>However, censorship of an opinion simply because it's unpopular is >>>the first step to fascism. >> >> >>Some of the more vital parts of Fascism are Nationalism, Militarism & >>Racism. You are exhibiting at least 2 of those yourself. >> >> > > > Where's Papa Doc when you need him. > dave henrie

:-) I was thinking about him too as I wrote that. LOL! -- Fester A lack of leadership is no substitute for inaction.

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> Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote in news:m-6cnQkk6IREir- > [email hidden]: > > > John Simmons wrote: > > > >> However, censorship of an opinion simply because it's unpopular is > >> the first step to fascism. > > > > > > Some of the more vital parts of Fascism are Nationalism, Militarism & > > Racism. You are exhibiting at least 2 of those yourself. > > > > > > Where's Papa Doc when you need him. > dave henrie >

He's over in flight-sim OT'ing the place to death with discussions along these lines. MRSisson -- LOAD "GPL",8,1 RUN

In article <DWoU9.39672$[email hidden]>, "Biz" <[email hidden]> writes: >> The decal is the words "JAP CARS", with a red circle around it and a >> slash through the text. >> >Are you really this stupid, or just think you're being funny? Its a racial >slur and Sierra has >every right not to allow it on their site. What if he had said "No Japanese cars"? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

OK, I understand STFU, but what does HAND mean? ;>) Todd "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%coU9.4678$xE1.680827@stones...

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> "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > <snipped> > > > you're probably used to having your right > > to free speech imfringed upon, but I'm *not*. > > You appear to have grossly misunderstood the right to free speech. I > recommend you actually check your rights before this misunderstanding gets > you beaten up in a bar somewhere. > > You also appear to have a certain lack of tact, which is probably even

more > likely to get you beaten up in a bar. > > HAND, Malc. > >

Didn't really want to go there, but since you brought it up... I have worked for Chrysler for 21 years. A couple of years ago it became a German company. Now all Chryslers, Dodges, and Jeeps are technically German products. Yes, the Jeeps that conquered Europe in WWII are now produced by a German company. My division makes the Neon and the PT Cruiser. One plant in the US, one in Mexico. Not to take anything away from the US guys, but you know where the hardest working people are? In the Mexican plant. I have been to both, I know what I am talking about. I spec out and release starters and alternators among other things. Most of those parts are produced by Japanese companies, but you know where they are made? Most of the ones we buy are made in Tennessee and Ohio. They do as a policy start out by assembling a product in the States from Japanese components, but that is only because of their conservative approach to quality. In order to compete in price they have to find local suppliers, so any part that has been in production for more than a few years is almost entirely made in America. Probably sounds like I am rambling a lot here, but I do have a point - this is a global economy, we are all in this together, and the ignorance that breeds nationalism has no place in modern society. The USA can't survive by itself, and neither can anybody else, including Japan. Competition is good, prejudice is not. To get back to John's original point, if foreign companies shouldn't be allowed in NASCAR, does that mean Dodge should be kicked out? It is owned by DaimlerChrysler, a German company. If Dodge can stay in, there is no reason to keep Toyota out, because the Camry is in exactly the same situation as the Intrepid - designed and built by Americans (err, Canadians in the case of the Intrepid) who just happen to work for a foreign company. "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > You could also add that "American" cars just happen to be primarily > built in Mexico using parts manufactured in Taiwan, China, and Japan. > > Jason

Have A Nice Day? ;o) JTBurn <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> OK, I understand STFU, but what does HAND mean? ;>) > > Todd > > "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%coU9.4678$xE1.680827@stones... > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > <snipped> > > > > > you're probably used to having your right > > > to free speech imfringed upon, but I'm *not*. > > > > You appear to have grossly misunderstood the right to free speech. I > > recommend you actually check your rights before this misunderstanding gets > > you beaten up in a bar somewhere. > > > > You also appear to have a certain lack of tact, which is probably even > more > > likely to get you beaten up in a bar. > > > > HAND, Malc. > > > > > >

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> John Simmons wrote: > > > However, censorship of an opinion simply because it's unpopular is > > the first step to fascism. > > > Some of the more vital parts of Fascism are Nationalism, Militarism & > Racism. You are exhibiting at least 2 of those yourself.

Nope, those parts aren't vital at all... fascism is about dictatorial control of the government, using the power of the state to squelch the opposition. Militarism, racism, and nationalism are just tools that the leader may or may not use to gain or maintain control. Other causes or objectives can and have been used.

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint > forum, and they deleted the message. > > The decal is the words "JAP CARS", with a red circle around it and a > slash through the text. Well - Racsim isnt a very nice thing. You may or may not like the idea of Toyota joining Nascar - but to be Racist about shows a shallow and weak character. I have pity on you. Doug

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> In article <avsl57$u0l$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > Yeah...i also fail to see why you have posted that 'really' interesting > > point in here. > > > > Takes all sorts but your sort..no thanks. > > > > alt.dudes.weirdoftheworld > > > > ...might be to your liking.:) > > > > AD > > > STFU - Being from Europe, you're probably used to having your right > to free speech imfringed upon, but I'm *not*. >

Your right to free speech isn't being infringed upon. You just found an unwilling publisher. There is always self publishing.

> STFU - Being from Europe, you're probably used to having your right > to free speech imfringed upon, but I'm *not*. Yeah, you must feel "free" Us poor Europeans, eh. Ash "infringed" McConnell

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> In article <DWoU9.39672$[email hidden]>, "Biz" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> The decal is the words "JAP CARS", with a red circle around it and a > >> slash through the text. > >> > >Are you really this stupid, or just think you're being funny? Its a racial > >slur and Sierra has > >every right not to allow it on their site. > > What if he had said "No Japanese cars"?

Well, I coulda said that, but: 1) I was looking for something that took up as little space as possible, while being as large as I could make it, and the circle with the words "Jap Cars" lent itself well to that design issue. 2) Saying "Japanese Cars" was, IMHO, too close to showing considered respect for the idea of allowing foreign cars into Winston Cup. 3) Other like-minded individuals don't mind it saying "Jap Cars". 4) I'm not a politician, and I have no desire to coddle whiney little bitches or woirry about satisfying some bleeding heart liberal's concept of being politically correct.

Oh, yes!! "B.Farmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ioqU9.7507$[email hidden]...

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> Have A Nice Day? ;o) > > > JTBurn <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > OK, I understand STFU, but what does HAND mean? ;>) > > > > Todd > > > > "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:%coU9.4678$xE1.680827@stones... > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > <snipped> > > > > > > > you're probably used to having your right > > > > to free speech imfringed upon, but I'm *not*. > > > > > > You appear to have grossly misunderstood the right to free speech. I > > > recommend you actually check your rights before this misunderstanding

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> > > you beaten up in a bar somewhere. > > > > > > You also appear to have a certain lack of tact, which is probably even > > more > > > likely to get you beaten up in a bar. > > > > > > HAND, Malc. > > > > > > > > > > > >

Perhaps your car just sucked? "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tpsU9.4687$xE1.684829@stones...

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> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint > > forum, and they deleted the message. > > > > The decal is the words "JAP CARS", with a red circle around it and a > > slash through the text. > > Well - Racsim isnt a very nice thing. You may or may not like the idea of > Toyota joining Nascar - but to be Racist about shows a shallow and weak > character. I have pity on you. > > Doug > >

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > STFU - Being from Europe, you're probably used to having your right > to free speech imfringed upon, but I'm *not*. In case you were not aware, there is a global trend to see American people as being arrogant and self centred. Both your decal, and your comments regarding free speech don't exactly form a good defense. You are ignoring the rights of the website publisher to select appropriate content for their pages. This is just as important as your right to free speech. I guess this is what I see as arrogance. You cannot demand freedom of speech unless you believe in and are prepared to protect the freedom of others (ie websites). If everybody put their efforts into protecting _each other's_ rights to freedom of speech, lifestyle etc, then we would rarely have to worry about our own. I don't think your decal was racist - racism is just an easy way to point. I don't think NASCAR relates to real cars any more than our own v8 series translates to a holden or ford road car - they are completely built from the ground up. So I hardly see sticking Japanese style panels and badges on what is essentially the same spec race car as all the dodges and chevs and whatnot as really being an issue. Might actually start seeing some technology in nascar engines too :) iksteh

"Lemans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0iyU9.2410$[email hidden]... : Perhaps your car just sucked? huh? DOug

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> "Lemans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:0iyU9.2410$[email hidden]... > : Perhaps your car just sucked? > > huh? > > DOug >

I think he was replying to the original msg doug, Ash

"Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:avuebo$qik$[email hidden]... : > "Lemans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > news:0iyU9.2410$[email hidden]... : > : Perhaps your car just sucked? : > : > huh? : > : > DOug : > : : I think he was replying to the original msg doug, : : Ash 'bout to say - be it the glorious 1.1 Fiesta I have, or my AMD N2k2 paint job - frankly - they both rule :D Doug

Then get your own website and forum and post what you want. Then you would be practicing your free speech rights. Posting something inflammatory on another's site and screaming censorship is just stupid. Again, post it on your own site and then you will have censorship rights over it and be able to let people say what they want or not, after all, it's a free country......... to a point. Oh, and after you create your anti Japanese NASCAR website............ don't be surprised when only a handful of people frequent it............ Vintook P.S. I shall now practice my own free speech rights and say that you are a complete moron. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > In article <DWoU9.39672$[email hidden]>,"Biz" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >> The decal is the words "JAP CARS", with a red circle around it and a > > >> slash through the text. > > >> > > >Are you really this stupid, or just think you're being funny? Its aracial

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> > >slur and Sierra has > > >every right not to allow it on their site. > > > > What if he had said "No Japanese cars"? > > Well, I coulda said that, but: > > 1) I was looking for something that took up as little space as > possible, while being as large as I could make it, and the circle > with the words "Jap Cars" lent itself well to that design issue. > > 2) Saying "Japanese Cars" was, IMHO, too close to showing considered > respect for the idea of allowing foreign cars into Winston Cup. > > 3) Other like-minded individuals don't mind it saying "Jap Cars". > > 4) I'm not a politician, and I have no desire to coddle whiney little > bitches or woirry about satisfying some bleeding heart liberal's > concept of being politically correct. >

iksteh <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... [SNIP] > I don't think your decal was racist - racism is just an easy > way to point. I don't think NASCAR relates to real cars > any more than our own v8 series translates to a holden or > ford road car - they are completely built from the ground up. > iksteh[SNIP] When running a decent forum you always try to stop flamewars BEFORE they break our.... I don't know the the forum in question but assuming they have good moderators they made the choice of removing the post because it would cause a fight to break out, not because of any percieved racism. If posted at RSC it might be removed as well depending on the tone of the post, in which subforum it was posted, what the context was, the history of the poster and a load of other factors. John you posted something the forum moderators saw as an invitation to war, It's their house and they are absolutely free to do whatever they want to stop wars in their own house, I fail to see where free speech (or lack of it) come in ?? Mikkel

Excellent reply, Dave. Marc "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IklU9.658877$%[email hidden]... > John. You can stick your head in the sand, you can belly-ache all you > want, but Companies like Sierra are NOT going to allow you to post > antiANYTHING messages. Do you think there are no Asian Americans(or > Japanese in general) who sim-race? > Why do you suppose NASCAR is allowing Toyota to join in? Because they > know that companies like Toyota represent a large percentage of peoplethat, > at present, Nascar doesn't sell to very well. > What are your paticular dislike of Japanese cars? A goodly portion of > TOyota's are built right here in America, probably more Toyota's are > assembled within the USofA than Dodges.(which farm out a sizeable portionof > thier manufactuering to Canada and Mexico.) > Do you dis-approve of Japanese companies taking American money? WellGM > has offshoots in Australia, Britain, Sweede, etc etc. Same for Ford...and > just who owns Daimler-Chrysler? > Are American Executives MORE WORTHY of your $$?(see Enron, Worldcom,Tyco, > etc etc) > So now your in a tizzy because in about 4 or 5 more years there will be a > Camry at Daytona? Seems like there are plenty of other things to get all > chuffed about rather than ANOTHER manufacturer taking part and supportinga

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> racing series. > Ask CART if they'd like to have Toyota back. > dave henrie > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint > > forum, and they deleted the message. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.441 / Virus Database: 247 - Release Date: 1/9/03 > >

> > Why do you suppose NASCAR is allowing Toyota to join in? Becausethey > > know that companies like Toyota represent a large percentage of peoplethat, > > at present, Nascar doesn't sell to very well. > > Who really gives a shit why they're doing it? It's just wrong. Moronic reply, John. Marc

"John Simmons" wrote: > I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint > forum, and they deleted the message. > > The decal is the words "JAP CARS", with a red circle around it and a > slash through the text. I am not *that* surprised they deleted it. The intention could be interpreted as anti-Japanese regardless of the real intention. The real intention? Probably no different than my disdain at the Quattros "ruining" the spectacle of rallying. I know at the time time I was very anti 4WD in rallying as it separated the field in such a dramatic way. I don't know too much about Nascar, but if a manufacturer "war" started the spectacle could change somewhat. Think of the yellows they would have to keep throwing for debris... Cheers Tony

John Simmons wrote: > > STFU - Being from Europe, you're probably used to having your right > to free speech imfringed upon, but I'm *not*. I don't know why some of you Americans think we don't have freedom of speech in every sense of the word in Europe, or freedom that equals or surpasses most freedoms Americans think are special to the US, anyways, just FYI John, you ignorant redneck.....:-) <mark thread read> Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> > I thought all of you yeripeeeins spent most of your time locked up in > dungeons. > > David G Fisher > >

well, that bit's true.......:-)

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> > > John Simmons wrote: > > > > STFU - Being from Europe, you're probably used to having your right > > to free speech imfringed upon, but I'm *not*. > > I don't know why some of you Americans think we don't have freedom of > speech in every sense of the word in Europe, or freedom that equals or > surpasses most freedoms Americans think are special to the US, anyways, > just FYI John, you ignorant redneck.....:-) > > <mark thread read>

I thought all of you yeripeeeins spent most of your time locked up in dungeons. David G Fisher

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> Dave Henrie wrote: > >> Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote in news:m-6cnQkk6IREir- >> [email hidden]: >> >> >>> John Simmons wrote: >>> >>> >>>> However, censorship of an opinion simply because it's unpopular is >>>> the first step to fascism. >>> >>> >>> >>> Some of the more vital parts of Fascism are Nationalism, Militarism & >>> Racism. You are exhibiting at least 2 of those yourself. >>> >>> >> >> >> Where's Papa Doc when you need him. >> dave henrie > > > :-) I was thinking about him too as I wrote that. LOL!

If they would allow sidewinders on a Dodge at Dover, he would be on ras all the time. Let's hope, Nascar doesn't change the rules... ;) l8er ronny

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> > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I thought all of you yeripeeeins spent most of your time locked up in > > dungeons. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > well, that bit's true.......:-)

Say no more, say no more, PLEASE say no more !!! Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > just FYI John, you ignorant redneck.....:-) :)

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... >> Pull your head out of your ass and start thinking like a 'capitalist' >> ignoramus, instead of a 'patriotic' ignoramous. > >There's not a damn thing wrong with being patriotic. Well, no, but you're not being patriotic. You're being xenophobic and fucking ignorant. But I doubt you could tell the difference. -Tim

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... >> What if he had said "No Japanese cars"? > >Well, I coulda said that, but: You prefer racist epithets, right. We realized that already. >2) Saying "Japanese Cars" was, IMHO, too close to showing considered >respect for the idea of allowing foreign cars into Winston Cup. Right. You're racist world view doesn't allow respect for those that aren't like you. >3) Other like-minded individuals don't mind it saying "Jap Cars". Yup, other racists--and you seem to willingly put yourself into this camp--really don't have any problems with a racist epithet like "Jap." Hell, you're probably pretty pissed that people get mad when you say "Nigger." I mean, that's the proper word for you and other "like-minded individuals." >4) I'm not a politician, and I have no desire to coddle whiney little >bitches or woirry about satisfying some bleeding heart liberal's >concept of being politically correct. Hmmm. Well, it's pretty true that those that toss around the term "PC" are using it to support their racism, but John here is refreshingly honest in just how amazingly racist he is. -Tim

"The Enigmatic One" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:84RU9.3245$[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]says...

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> > >> Pull your head out of your ass and start thinking like a 'capitalist' > >> ignoramus, instead of a 'patriotic' ignoramous. > > > >There's not a damn thing wrong with being patriotic. > > Well, no, but you're not being patriotic. You're being xenophobic and

fucking > ignorant. But I doubt you could tell the difference. > > Interesting how quickly some people misuse "xenophobic" in such a simple situation. Let me first make a few things clear: (a) I could give two shits about NASCAR and US-only cars; (b) I could care less if John's post was removed since he has no right to free speech on a privately owned forum. My complaint rests squarely on guys like you who take this issue out of context so they can use big words like "xenophobic". John's point, whether you agree or not, is EXTREMELY simple to grasp. He sees NASCAR as an American institution. I personally find that silly but he's entitled to his belief and I'm not going to debate the merits. His complaint is that allowing foreign cars breaks from TRADITION which he reveres. Again, silly to me but a REASONABLE belief nonetheless and one to which he is entitled to passionately support. More importantly, it is a belief that seems honestly fueled by patriotism and respect for tradition. He's not worried about: "The Jap-o-nese are comin' in here and takin' jobs from good ole God fearin' Americans". Any claim that John is xenophobic is truly ignorant. It's a wonderful technique used by the media to spin a bigger story out of a much smaller issue; something that should be frowned upon in ng's. ;0) -- Joe M. > -Tim >

Well said! Vintook "Joe M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "The Enigmatic One" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:84RU9.3245$[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > > > >> Pull your head out of your ass and start thinking like a 'capitalist' > > >> ignoramus, instead of a 'patriotic' ignoramous. > > > > > >There's not a damn thing wrong with being patriotic. > > > > Well, no, but you're not being patriotic. You're being xenophobic and > fucking > > ignorant. But I doubt you could tell the difference. > > > > > > Interesting how quickly some people misuse "xenophobic" in such a simple > situation. Let me first make a few things clear: (a) I could give two

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> about NASCAR and US-only cars; (b) I could care less if John's post was > removed since he has no right to free speech on a privately owned forum. > My complaint rests squarely on guys like you who take this issue out of > context so they can use big words like "xenophobic". > > John's point, whether you agree or not, is EXTREMELY simple to grasp. He > sees NASCAR as an American institution. I personally find that silly but > he's entitled to his belief and I'm not going to debate the merits. His > complaint is that allowing foreign cars breaks from TRADITION which he > reveres. Again, silly to me but a REASONABLE belief nonetheless and one

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> which he is entitled to passionately support. More importantly, it is a > belief that seems honestly fueled by patriotism and respect for tradition. > He's not worried about: "The Jap-o-nese are comin' in here and takin' jobs > from good ole God fearin' Americans". > > Any claim that John is xenophobic is truly ignorant. It's a wonderful > technique used by the media to spin a bigger story out of a much smaller > issue; something that should be frowned upon in ng's. ;0) > > -- > Joe M. > > > > > -Tim > > > >

And you seem to be refreshingly honest in your attempt to paint him as a complete racist beyond anything he actually stated. Yes, his remarks could have been taken as racist by some people. I don't agree with his argument at all but will not stoop to the level of "race-baiter" to try and squash his argument. People who stand up and scream "racist" the loudest are usually people that can't come up with a legit counter point and just take the easiest line. Use your brain for a change and contradict him on a more mature level instead of groveling in the sewer with the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Vintook "The Enigmatic One" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:h9RU9.3279$[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]says...

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aren't > like you. > > >3) Other like-minded individuals don't mind it saying "Jap Cars". > > Yup, other racists--and you seem to willingly put yourself into this > camp--really don't have any problems with a racist epithet like "Jap."Hell, > you're probably pretty pissed that people get mad when you say "Nigger."I

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> mean, that's the proper word for you and other "like-minded individuals." > > >4) I'm not a politician, and I have no desire to coddle whiney little > >bitches or woirry about satisfying some bleeding heart liberal's > >concept of being politically correct. > > Hmmm. Well, it's pretty true that those that toss around the term "PC"

are > using it to support their racism, but John here is refreshingly honest injust > how amazingly racist he is. > > > -Tim >

John Simmons wrote: > > I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint > forum, and they deleted the message. > > The decal is the words "JAP CARS", with a red circle around it and a > slash through the text. I just put a decal on my Mazda. It says 'John Simmons ** a ****'. Just exercising my freedom of speech, you understand! Sneeringly yours GDA

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> > "The Enigmatic One" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:84RU9.3245$[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > > > >> Pull your head out of your ass and start thinking like a 'capitalist' > > >> ignoramus, instead of a 'patriotic' ignoramous. > > > > > >There's not a damn thing wrong with being patriotic. > > > > Well, no, but you're not being patriotic. You're being xenophobic and > fucking > > ignorant. But I doubt you could tell the difference. > > > > > > Interesting how quickly some people misuse "xenophobic" in such a simple > situation. Let me first make a few things clear: (a) I could give two shits > about NASCAR and US-only cars; (b) I could care less if John's post was > removed since he has no right to free speech on a privately owned forum. > My complaint rests squarely on guys like you who take this issue out of > context so they can use big words like "xenophobic". > > John's point, whether you agree or not, is EXTREMELY simple to grasp. He > sees NASCAR as an American institution. I personally find that silly but > he's entitled to his belief and I'm not going to debate the merits. His > complaint is that allowing foreign cars breaks from TRADITION which he > reveres. Again, silly to me but a REASONABLE belief nonetheless and one to > which he is entitled to passionately support. More importantly, it is a > belief that seems honestly fueled by patriotism and respect for tradition. > He's not worried about: "The Jap-o-nese are comin' in here and takin' jobs > from good ole God fearin' Americans". > > Any claim that John is xenophobic is truly ignorant. It's a wonderful > technique used by the media to spin a bigger story out of a much smaller > issue; something that should be frowned upon in ng's. ;0)

I think he's being xenophobic! BTW, xenophobic isn't a very big word by my standards anyway. The fact you think it's big speaks volumes about you.

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> > Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote in news:m-6cnQkk6IREir- > [email hidden]: > > > John Simmons wrote: > > > >> However, censorship of an opinion simply because it's unpopular is > >> the first step to fascism. > > > > > > Some of the more vital parts of Fascism are Nationalism, Militarism & > > Racism. You are exhibiting at least 2 of those yourself. > > > > > > Where's Papa Doc when you need him.

Breeding with his closest relatives? Gerry

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> John Simmons wrote: > > > > I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint > > forum, and they deleted the message. > > > > The decal is the words "JAP CARS", with a red circle around it and a > > slash through the text. > > I just put a decal on my Mazda. It says 'John Simmons ** a ****'. > > Just exercising my freedom of speech, you understand! > > Sneeringly yours > > GDA >

Can I get a few of those? :)

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> "Joe M." wrote: > > > > "The Enigmatic One" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:84RU9.3245$[email hidden]... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > > says... > > > > > > >> Pull your head out of your ass and start thinking like a

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> > > >> ignoramus, instead of a 'patriotic' ignoramous. > > > > > > > >There's not a damn thing wrong with being patriotic. > > > > > > Well, no, but you're not being patriotic. You're being xenophobic and > > fucking > > > ignorant. But I doubt you could tell the difference. > > > > > > > > > > Interesting how quickly some people misuse "xenophobic" in such a simple > > situation. Let me first make a few things clear: (a) I could give two

shits > > about NASCAR and US-only cars; (b) I could care less if John's post was > > removed since he has no right to free speech on a privately owned forum. > > My complaint rests squarely on guys like you who take this issue out of > > context so they can use big words like "xenophobic". > > > > John's point, whether you agree or not, is EXTREMELY simple to grasp.He > > sees NASCAR as an American institution. I personally find that sillybut > > he's entitled to his belief and I'm not going to debate the merits. His > > complaint is that allowing foreign cars breaks from TRADITION which he > > reveres. Again, silly to me but a REASONABLE belief nonetheless and oneto > > which he is entitled to passionately support. More importantly, it is a > > belief that seems honestly fueled by patriotism and respect fortradition. > > He's not worried about: "The Jap-o-nese are comin' in here and takin'jobs

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> > from good ole God fearin' Americans". > > > > Any claim that John is xenophobic is truly ignorant. It's a wonderful > > technique used by the media to spin a bigger story out of a much smaller > > issue; something that should be frowned upon in ng's. ;0) > > I think he's being xenophobic! BTW, xenophobic isn't a very big word by > my standards anyway. The fact you think it's big speaks volumes about > you.

So you missed my simple point, how sad for you. I'm also sorry you live under the mistaken impression that I care what you think about me. Oh, and save the "I'm smarter than you" bullshit; it speaks volumes about your insecurity and lack of self-worth. Ah, what the hell: "Yes Gerry, you're much smarter than I!" <that should fuel your starved ego for weeks> -- Joe M.

In article <QmZU9.34994$[email hidden]>, "Vintook" <[email hidden]> writes: >People who stand up and scream "racist" the loudest are usually people that >can't come up with a legit counter point and just take the easiest line. Use >your brain for a change and contradict him on a more mature level instead of >groveling in the sewer with the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. > Ugh - those two are as racist as the people they claim they're fighting... :-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > > I think he's being xenophobic! BTW, xenophobic isn't a very big word > by my standards anyway. The fact you think it's big speaks volumes > about you. > Heck I thought you all were talking About Xena the Warrior Princess and here Blonde Cutie Babe Friend. dave henrie

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > > > > I think he's being xenophobic! BTW, xenophobic isn't a very big word > > by my standards anyway. The fact you think it's big speaks volumes > > about you. > > > Heck I thought you all were talking About Xena the Warrior Princess and > here Blonde Cutie Babe Friend. > dave henrie >

Nice one Dave. :0) Actually, some men are Xena-phobic; they don't want to get man handled by that Amazon. As for the blonde cutie babe friend . . . that's a whole other story. -- Joe M.

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> > Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > > > I think he's being xenophobic! BTW, xenophobic isn't a very big word > > by my standards anyway. The fact you think it's big speaks volumes > > about you. > > > Heck I thought you all were talking About Xena the Warrior Princess and > here Blonde Cutie Babe Friend. > dave henrie

Clam jousters, the pair of 'em. :) Gerry

"Joe M." wrote: > So you missed my simple point, how sad for you. I'm also sorry you live > under the mistaken impression that I care what you think about me. So in your mind, anyone who doesn't agree with you has missed your point, how sad YOU are! > Oh, and save the "I'm smarter than you" bullshit; it speaks volumes about > your insecurity and lack of self-worth. Ah, what the hell: "Yes Gerry, > you're much smarter than I!" Shrink-speak, I take it you go regularly? > <that should fuel your starved ego for weeks> Whatever, sunshine, it's still not a big word.

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> Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > > > > I think he's being xenophobic! BTW, xenophobic isn't a very big word > > by my standards anyway. The fact you think it's big speaks volumes > > about you. > > > Heck I thought you all were talking About Xena the Warrior Princess and > here Blonde Cutie Babe Friend. > dave henrie

Even if that's not what he was talking about, lets talk about it (or at least contemplate the lesbian plotlines they never thoroughly explored on the show)... :)

"John Simmons" wrote: > > Heck I thought you all were talking About Xena the WarriorPrincess and > > here Blonde Cutie Babe Friend. > > dave henrie > > Even if that's not what he was talking about, lets talk about it (or > at least contemplate the lesbian plotlines they never thoroughly > explored on the show)... :) Are you sure they never did? - must have been my imagination then :)

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> "John Simmons" wrote: >> > Heck I thought you all were talking About Xena the Warrior > Princess and >> > here Blonde Cutie Babe Friend. >> > dave henrie >> >> Even if that's not what he was talking about, lets talk about it (or >> at least contemplate the lesbian plotlines they never thoroughly >> explored on the show)... :) > > Are you sure they never did? - must have been my imagination then :) > > >

Hey we can tie these together...didn't Xena loose her head in Japan? THerefore John can get a button with Xena's headless body and put a red slash thru it. dave henrie (btw...the blonde never had eyes for Xena..cuz she was too busy eyeballing my tv screen/window...hehehe)

John Simmons wrote: > > I posted a decal I'm using on all my cars in the Sierra NR2K2 paint > forum, and they deleted the message. > > The decal is the words "JAP CARS", with a red circle around it and a > slash through the text. I'm guessing it's the word "JAP" that caused the problems, as it is a derogatory term. As a Native American, I can tell you that words do in fact hurt. It's not just some politically correct idea that's run amok, many of those words have alot of hatred in them. MTCW, Gary