I know this one's been seen before, but does anyone know the details of
Stewart's BRM here ? What year, engine, etc. ? Find it interesting that
he's able to go all out on turns that that's impossible at in GPL.
Obviously, other factors come into play that may allow that in real life
for him, that don't in the game, but some details from the clip would help.
http://www.circuit-zandvoort.nl/historie/formula1/zandvoort-1.jpg
Zandvoort onboard clip from the film Grand Prix
John Pancoast asked about a Zandvoort onboard clip of a BRM at full speed through corners that would be impossible in GPL. Others explained it was footage from the 1966 film Grand Prix, shot at cruising speed with dubbed and sped-up sound and mostly using Formula 2 cars. Steve Smith shared details from his research on the film, and Arturo Pereira said Richie Ginther drove wearing Stewart's helmet.
Automated summary.
Oops, this
link............http://www.netaware.cistron.nl/cpz/zandvoort-1.mpeg
"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I know this one's been seen before, but does anyone know the details of
> Stewart's BRM here ? What year, engine, etc. ? Find it interesting that
> he's able to go all out on turns that that's impossible at in GPL.
>
> Obviously, other factors come into play that may allow that in real life
> for him, that don't in the game, but some details from the clip wouldhelp.
>
> http://www.circuit-zandvoort.nl/historie/formula1/zandvoort-1.jpg
>
>
The soundtrack of the Grand Prix -movie didn't include too many real racing
incar audios, and this clip shows too that the car is cruising but the
soundtrack is from a hotlap.
--
Mika Takala
"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti
viestiss�:[email hidden]...
> I know this one's been seen before, but does anyone know the details of
> Stewart's BRM here ? What year, engine, etc. ? Find it interesting that
> he's able to go all out on turns that that's impossible at in GPL.
>
> Obviously, other factors come into play that may allow that in real life
> for him, that don't in the game, but some details from the clip would
help.
>
> http://www.circuit-zandvoort.nl/historie/formula1/zandvoort-1.jpg
>
>
Really ? His hand is moving at each shift, but even with his hand moving,
could still be a different soundtrack, see your point. Thing is though,
the "nose cam" view still doesn't show any deceleration at all in those
turns(and he's hauling, no question of that), that require it in GPL.
John
"Mika Takala" <[email hidden]> wrote
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> The soundtrack of the Grand Prix -movie didn't include too many realracing
of
> > Stewart's BRM here ? What year, engine, etc. ? Find it interestingthat
> > he's able to go all out on turns that that's impossible at in GPL.
> >
> > Obviously, other factors come into play that may allow that in reallife
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> incar audios, and this clip shows too that the car is cruising but the > soundtrack is from a hotlap. > > -- > Mika Takala > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti > viestiss�:[email hidden]... > > I know this one's been seen before, but does anyone know the detailsQuoted text (8 lines)
> > for him, that don't in the game, but some details from the clip would > help. > > > > http://www.circuit-zandvoort.nl/historie/formula1/zandvoort-1.jpg > > > > > >
"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti
viestiss�:[email hidden]...
> Really ? His hand is moving at each shift, but even with his handmoving,
> could still be a different soundtrack, see your point. Thing is though,
> the "nose cam" view still doesn't show any deceleration at all in those
> turns(and he's hauling, no question of that), that require it in GPL.
>
> John
I remember all the nosecam footage from spa and zandy being only at cruising
speed, and then maybe artificially made to run faster, and some kind of
racing soundtrack mixed. At least at spa that really shows, the driver isn't
using the track at all, and comparing to GPL, it really looks slow (as does
Zandy, if you look carefully enough).
--
Mika Takala
"Mika Takala" <[email hidden]> wrote
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cruising
> speed, and then maybe artificially made to run faster, and some kind of
> racing soundtrack mixed. At least at spa that really shows, the driverisn't
> using the track at all, and comparing to GPL, it really looks slow (asdoes
> Zandy, if you look carefully enough).
>
> --
> Mika Takala
Yeah, I could definately see that happening in editing. So, you're
saying this clip was made for the movie, and isn't an actual FIA, etc. clip,
during a practice, or something ?
The rear tires look skinny as hell, so I was thinking it wasn't even '67
too.
John
>
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> > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti > viestiss�:[email hidden]... > > Really ? His hand is moving at each shift, but even with his hand > moving, > > could still be a different soundtrack, see your point. Thing is though, > > the "nose cam" view still doesn't show any deceleration at all in those > > turns(and he's hauling, no question of that), that require it in GPL. > > > > John > > I remember all the nosecam footage from spa and zandy being only at>"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Really ? His hand is moving at each shift, but even with his handmoving,
> could still be a different soundtrack, see your point. Thing is though,
> the "nose cam" view still doesn't show any deceleration at all in those
> turns(and he's hauling, no question of that), that require it in GPL.
Well racing with a "fixed" view in GPL also gives the impression that the
car isn't decelerating, since there's no movement of the camera vs. the
chassis.
Anyway, in the movie Grand Prix it's obvious that there's a slight
acceleration of the racing footage (perhaps, 5% not more) so that the speeds
the cars were going during shooting are accelerated and more closer to the
real speeds.
For the sound, Hollywood studios don't have microphones on their cameras
(they do sometimes, but rarely in "modern" cinema). All the sound you hear
in the movie was done in post-production, or was recorded by mic booms.
Just watch the Monza race at the end, it's pretty cheesy.
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"John Pancoast" wrote...
> Yeah, I could definately see that happening in editing.
> So, you're saying this clip was made for the movie, and
> isn't an actual FIA, etc. clip, during a practice, or
> something ?
> The rear tires look skinny as hell, so I was thinking
> it wasn't even '67 too.
Looking at the other cars (enclosed engines) and noticing this one only has
intake flutes one side of the engine I'd say that if this is an F1 car, it
certainly is pre-67. Perhaps even pre-65.
Jan.
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"Jan Verschueren" wrote...
> > <snip>
> Looking at the other cars (enclosed engines) and noticing this
> one only has intake flutes one side of the engine I'd say that
> if this is an F1 car, it certainly is pre-67. Perhaps even
> pre-65.
Check that... it has intake flutes on both sides. Hmmm...
Jan.
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speeds
> the cars were going during shooting are accelerated and more closer to the
> real speeds.
>
>
> For the sound, Hollywood studios don't have microphones on their cameras
> (they do sometimes, but rarely in "modern" cinema). All the sound youhear
Good points, thanks.
John
>
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> >"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Really ? His hand is moving at each shift, but even with his hand > moving, > > could still be a different soundtrack, see your point. Thing is though, > > the "nose cam" view still doesn't show any deceleration at all in those > > turns(and he's hauling, no question of that), that require it in GPL. > > > Well racing with a "fixed" view in GPL also gives the impression that the > car isn't decelerating, since there's no movement of the camera vs. the > chassis. > > > Anyway, in the movie Grand Prix it's obvious that there's a slight > acceleration of the racing footage (perhaps, 5% not more) so that theQuoted text (13 lines)
> in the movie was done in post-production, or was recorded by mic booms. > > Just watch the Monza race at the end, it's pretty cheesy. > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... >great clip. are there any others? I can't find the home page. thank you.
GPLlover.
"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> I know this one's been seen before, but does anyone know the details of
> Stewart's BRM here ? What year, engine, etc. ? Find it interesting that
> he's able to go all out on turns that that's impossible at in GPL.
>
> Obviously, other factors come into play that may allow that in real life
> for him, that don't in the game, but some details from the clip wouldhelp.
>
> http://www.circuit-zandvoort.nl/historie/formula1/zandvoort-1.jpg
>
>
> great clip. are there any others? I can't find the home page. thankyou.
Here is Clark at Oulton Park:
http://forum.racesimcentral.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=569446
Onboard 1963 Lotus 25
http://www.circuit-zandvoort.nl/ Click on the "Historie" link on the
left.
"aifai" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> great clip. are there any others? I can't find the home page. thank you.
> GPLlover.
> "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:[email hidden]...
> > I know this one's been seen before, but does anyone know the detailsof
> > Stewart's BRM here ? What year, engine, etc. ? Find it interestingthat
> > he's able to go all out on turns that that's impossible at in GPL.
> >
> > Obviously, other factors come into play that may allow that in reallife
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> > for him, that don't in the game, but some details from the clip would > help. > > > > http://www.circuit-zandvoort.nl/historie/formula1/zandvoort-1.jpg > > > > > >>"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Yeah, I could definately see that happening in editing. So, you're
> saying this clip was made for the movie, and isn't an actual FIA, etc.clip,
> during a practice, or something ?
Hmm it's from the movie yes, lol. The FIA didn't even exist back then.
> The rear tires look skinny as hell, so I was thinking it wasn't even '67
> too.
There's been many stuff in this NG about the cars used in the movie Grand
Prix. Check out Google, I'm sure there's lotsa info there. Or else, wait
for Speedvision to show the movie, they normally have a "Making of" stuck to
the film. IIRC they were F2-based chassis.
Btw check out excellent the cinematography is in those shots. The camera,
fixed, is often commanded by distance (or was is time-based?) for zooms,
tilts, pans, etc...
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-- http://ymenard.cjb.net/
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Oh bliss!
URL http://www.netaware.cistron.nl/cpz/zandvoort-3.mpeg
is a complete lap!
No ads. No clips. No interruptions. No music. No view/camera changes.
Authentic sound.
God I wish all racing clips were like this.
/petern
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:41:32 -0700, "John Pancoast"
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>http://www.circuit-zandvoort.nl/ Click on the "Historie" link on the >left. > > > > >"aifai" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:iU_U9.40773$[email hidden]... >> great clip. are there any others? I can't find the home page. thank you. >> GPLlover. >> "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio >> news:[email hidden]... >> > I know this one's been seen before, but does anyone know the details >of >> > Stewart's BRM here ? What year, engine, etc. ? Find it interesting >that >> > he's able to go all out on turns that that's impossible at in GPL. >> > >> > Obviously, other factors come into play that may allow that in real >life >> > for him, that don't in the game, but some details from the clip would >> help. >> > >> > http://www.circuit-zandvoort.nl/historie/formula1/zandvoort-1.jpg >> > >> > >> >> >
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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That's why I included and "etc." after "FIA"; wasn't sure <g>
>
>
> > The rear tires look skinny as hell, so I was thinking it wasn't even'67
> > too.
>
>
> There's been many stuff in this NG about the cars used in the movie Grand
> Prix. Check out Google, I'm sure there's lotsa info there. Or else, wait
> for Speedvision to show the movie, they normally have a "Making of" stuckto
> the film. IIRC they were F2-based chassis.
Google's search is nice, but plug something related to GPL in it, and you
better have a month to wade through it.
>
>
> Btw check out excellent the cinematography is in those shots. The camera,
> fixed, is often commanded by distance (or was is time-based?) for zooms,
> tilts, pans, etc...
Yeah I know. I've had the movie for years, but like most things, took
awhile to getting around to asking about it.
John
>
>
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> >"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Yeah, I could definately see that happening in editing. So, you're > > saying this clip was made for the movie, and isn't an actual FIA, etc. > clip, > > during a practice, or something ? > > > Hmm it's from the movie yes, lol. The FIA didn't even exist back then. Thanks !
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you.
> >> GPLlover.
> >> "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >> > I know this one's been seen before, but does anyone know thedetails
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> Oh bliss! > URL http://www.netaware.cistron.nl/cpz/zandvoort-3.mpeg > is a complete lap! > No ads. No clips. No interruptions. No music. No view/camera changes. > Authentic sound. > God I wish all racing clips were like this. > > /petern > > On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:41:32 -0700, "John Pancoast" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >http://www.circuit-zandvoort.nl/ Click on the "Historie" link on the > >left. > > > > > > > > > >"aifai" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:iU_U9.40773$[email hidden]... > >> great clip. are there any others? I can't find the home page. thankQuoted text (17 lines)
> >of > >> > Stewart's BRM here ? What year, engine, etc. ? Find it interesting > >that > >> > he's able to go all out on turns that that's impossible at in GPL. > >> > > >> > Obviously, other factors come into play that may allow that in real > >life > >> > for him, that don't in the game, but some details from the clip would > >> help. > >> > > >> > http://www.circuit-zandvoort.nl/historie/formula1/zandvoort-1.jpg > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >Quoted text (7 lines)
>"Peter Nilsson" <[email hidden]> wrote > Oh bliss! > URL http://www.netaware.cistron.nl/cpz/zandvoort-3.mpeg > is a complete lap! > No ads. No clips. No interruptions. No music. No view/camera changes. > Authentic sound. > God I wish all racing clips were like this.In article <[email hidden]>,
"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> writes:
> The rear tires look skinny as hell, so I was thinking it wasn't even '67
>too.
>
Most of the cars in Grand Prix were Formula 2's. It was filmed in 1966, so
even if it were a Formula 1 car it may have been a 2 litre V8, the H-16 showed
up sometime mid-season. The weight of the camera was said to screw up the cars
substantially, so he wouldn't have been pressing very hard.
Don McCorkle
"Woodie 83" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> writes:
>
> > The rear tires look skinny as hell, so I was thinking it wasn't even'67
> >too.
> >
>
> Most of the cars in Grand Prix were Formula 2's. It was filmed in 1966,so
> even if it were a Formula 1 car it may have been a 2 litre V8, the H-16showed
> up sometime mid-season. The weight of the camera was said to screw up thecars
> substantially, so he wouldn't have been pressing very hard.
>
>
> Don McCorkle
>
Yeah, I know, thanks. For some reason, I always thought that shot was
made outside of the film.
John
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Then again, check out the actual cover of the 1967 South African Grand
Prix..................."Held Under the International Sporting Code of the
FIA"...................
John
>
>
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> >"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Yeah, I could definately see that happening in editing. So, you're > > saying this clip was made for the movie, and isn't an actual FIA, etc. > clip, > > during a practice, or something ? > > > Hmm it's from the movie yes, lol. The FIA didn't even exist back then. > > >-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World...I was going to do a book abt. the making of "Grand Prix" before
Frankenheimer died, and got as far as the first interview.
The sound (or at least the engine sounds) were all post. They took a bunch
of F1 cars (1 '66 BRM, I think, and a couple of clapped-out '65 & earlier
models) to Riverside. Phil Hill and Bob Bondurant drove them around whilst
rigged with Nagras.
The "picture" cars were all Formula 3s with faux F1 bodies built by Jim
Russell. The cars still exist today somewhere in Ireland.
The in-car race footage was almost all obtained during the real '66 F1
season (at least for Monaco, Zandvoort, and Spa; the "French GP" footage
came from the only staged race, at Clermont-Ferrand, where most of the
footage was filmed around the pits) and was rarely speeded up.
Frankenheimer had a Ford GT-40 with the bodywork removed for a "front porch"
mount (the 70mm cameras were enormous). The most famous shot was at Spa in
the rain. Phil Hill started at the back of the grid and chased the field
down thru Burnenville, where you can see one of the BRMs that went off at
Malmedy.
--Steve Smith
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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speeds
> the cars were going during shooting are accelerated and more closer to the
> real speeds.
>
>
> For the sound, Hollywood studios don't have microphones on their cameras
> (they do sometimes, but rarely in "modern" cinema). All the sound youhear
Quoted text (15 lines)
> >"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Really ? His hand is moving at each shift, but even with his hand > moving, > > could still be a different soundtrack, see your point. Thing is though, > > the "nose cam" view still doesn't show any deceleration at all in those > > turns(and he's hauling, no question of that), that require it in GPL. > > > Well racing with a "fixed" view in GPL also gives the impression that the > car isn't decelerating, since there's no movement of the camera vs. the > chassis. > > > Anyway, in the movie Grand Prix it's obvious that there's a slight > acceleration of the racing footage (perhaps, 5% not more) so that theQuoted text (14 lines)
> in the movie was done in post-production, or was recorded by mic booms. > > Just watch the Monza race at the end, it's pretty cheesy. > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > Great info. Steve thanks ! Can't remember, and I don't have your book
handy<g>, what engine were the BRM's running in '66 ?
John
"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I was going to do a book abt. the making of "Grand Prix" before
> Frankenheimer died, and got as far as the first interview.
>
> The sound (or at least the engine sounds) were all post. They took abunch
> of F1 cars (1 '66 BRM, I think, and a couple of clapped-out '65 & earlier
> models) to Riverside. Phil Hill and Bob Bondurant drove them aroundwhilst
porch"
> mount (the 70mm cameras were enormous). The most famous shot was at Spain
though,
> > > the "nose cam" view still doesn't show any deceleration at all inthose
> > > turns(and he's hauling, no question of that), that require it in GPL.
> >
> >
> > Well racing with a "fixed" view in GPL also gives the impression thatthe
the
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> rigged with Nagras. > > The "picture" cars were all Formula 3s with faux F1 bodies built by Jim > Russell. The cars still exist today somewhere in Ireland. > > The in-car race footage was almost all obtained during the real '66 F1 > season (at least for Monaco, Zandvoort, and Spa; the "French GP" footage > came from the only staged race, at Clermont-Ferrand, where most of the > footage was filmed around the pits) and was rarely speeded up. > Frankenheimer had a Ford GT-40 with the bodywork removed for a "frontQuoted text (12 lines)
> the rain. Phil Hill started at the back of the grid and chased the field > down thru Burnenville, where you can see one of the BRMs that went off at > Malmedy. > > --Steve Smith > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%XZU9.2936$%[email hidden]... > > >"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Really ? His hand is moving at each shift, but even with his hand > > moving, > > > could still be a different soundtrack, see your point. Thing isQuoted text (8 lines)
> > car isn't decelerating, since there's no movement of the camera vs. the > > chassis. > > > > > > Anyway, in the movie Grand Prix it's obvious that there's a slight > > acceleration of the racing footage (perhaps, 5% not more) so that the > speeds > > the cars were going during shooting are accelerated and more closer toQuoted text (22 lines)
> > real speeds. > > > > > > For the sound, Hollywood studios don't have microphones on their cameras > > (they do sometimes, but rarely in "modern" cinema). All the sound you > hear > > in the movie was done in post-production, or was recorded by mic booms. > > > > Just watch the Monza race at the end, it's pretty cheesy. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > >On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:17:04 -0500, "ymenard"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>The FIA didn't even exist back then.
SURELY you jest?
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:17:04 -0500, "ymenard"
>The FIA didn't even exist back then.
SURELY you jest?
>"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote
> I was going to do a book abt. the making of "Grand Prix" before
> Frankenheimer died, and got as far as the first interview.
I was told somebody taped an audio commentary of him for the DVD. I always
liked his commentary tracks on his other DVD's. He's always well-spoken and
trully talks about his movies (instead of other boring audio commentaries
babbling about "Oh it was so great working with XYZ actor").
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>"Magnus Svensson" <[email hidden]> wrote
> SURELY you jest?
I thought it was per example AVD that was sanctioning motorsport events back
then in their own country, same for the rest. Sorry.
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Clark & Hill drove the grand miscegenation (Lotus-BRM H16) at the beginning
of the year before switching to the sublime Cozzie mill. Stewart and Irwin
ran with both the P83 and the P261. The only BRM Spence drove in '67 was
the P83. Hobbs and Courage (a vastly under-rated driver...and the first
killed by would-be Commendatore Frank Williams) drove only the P261.
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at
GPL.
> > >
> > >
> > > Well racing with a "fixed" view in GPL also gives the impression that
> the
> > > car isn't decelerating, since there's no movement of the camera vs.the
cameras
> > > (they do sometimes, but rarely in "modern" cinema). All the sound you
> > hear
> > > in the movie was done in post-production, or was recorded by micbooms.
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> Great info. Steve thanks ! Can't remember, and I don't have your book > handy<g>, what engine were the BRM's running in '66 ? > > John > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:JjcV9.169716$[email hidden]... > > I was going to do a book abt. the making of "Grand Prix" before > > Frankenheimer died, and got as far as the first interview. > > > > The sound (or at least the engine sounds) were all post. They took a > bunch > > of F1 cars (1 '66 BRM, I think, and a couple of clapped-out '65 &Quoted text (17 lines)
> > models) to Riverside. Phil Hill and Bob Bondurant drove them around > whilst > > rigged with Nagras. > > > > The "picture" cars were all Formula 3s with faux F1 bodies built by Jim > > Russell. The cars still exist today somewhere in Ireland. > > > > The in-car race footage was almost all obtained during the real '66 F1 > > season (at least for Monaco, Zandvoort, and Spa; the "French GP" footage > > came from the only staged race, at Clermont-Ferrand, where most of the > > footage was filmed around the pits) and was rarely speeded up. > > Frankenheimer had a Ford GT-40 with the bodywork removed for a "front > porch" > > mount (the 70mm cameras were enormous). The most famous shot was at Spa > in > > the rain. Phil Hill started at the back of the grid and chased the field > > down thru Burnenville, where you can see one of the BRMs that went offQuoted text (14 lines)
> > Malmedy. > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:%XZU9.2936$%[email hidden]... > > > >"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > Really ? His hand is moving at each shift, but even with his hand > > > moving, > > > > could still be a different soundtrack, see your point. Thing is > though, > > > > the "nose cam" view still doesn't show any deceleration at all in > those > > > > turns(and he's hauling, no question of that), that require it inQuoted text (12 lines)
> > > chassis. > > > > > > > > > Anyway, in the movie Grand Prix it's obvious that there's a slight > > > acceleration of the racing footage (perhaps, 5% not more) so that the > > speeds > > > the cars were going during shooting are accelerated and more closer to > the > > > real speeds. > > > > > > > > > For the sound, Hollywood studios don't have microphones on theirQuoted text (17 lines)
> > > > > > Just watch the Monza race at the end, it's pretty cheesy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > >Astoundingly, there is still no DVD of "Grand Prix." Frankenheimer promised
me he'd go to bat with the studio to get it released on disc at the same
time as the book. (Then-Speedvision's 'making-of' documentary was also to
be on the disc.) I even lobbied Papyrus to rework a special "Grand Prix
Edition" of GPL, with the '66 cars (Yamura, Jordan, Manetti, etc.) from the
movie. The cover was to have been Nick Watts' painting of Garner on the
Monza banking. Oh well....
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > I was going to do a book abt. the making of "Grand Prix" before
> > Frankenheimer died, and got as far as the first interview.
>
>
> I was told somebody taped an audio commentary of him for the DVD. Ialways
> liked his commentary tracks on his other DVD's. He's always well-spokenand
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> trully talks about his movies (instead of other boring audio commentaries > babbling about "Oh it was so great working with XYZ actor"). > > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > Thanks Steve.........but I was looking for info. on '66 :) Were the
H16's being used by BRM then too ?
John
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> Clark & Hill drove the grand miscegenation (Lotus-BRM H16) at thebeginning
> of the year before switching to the sublime Cozzie mill. Stewart andIrwin
Jim
> > > Russell. The cars still exist today somewhere in Ireland.
> > >
> > > The in-car race footage was almost all obtained during the real '66 F1
> > > season (at least for Monaco, Zandvoort, and Spa; the "French GP"footage
> > > came from the only staged race, at Clermont-Ferrand, where most of the
> > > footage was filmed around the pits) and was rarely speeded up.
> > > Frankenheimer had a Ford GT-40 with the bodywork removed for a "front
> > porch"
> > > mount (the 70mm cameras were enormous). The most famous shot was atSpa
> > in
> > > the rain. Phil Hill started at the back of the grid and chased thefield
hand
that
the
> > > speeds
> > > > the cars were going during shooting are accelerated and more closerto
you
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> ran with both the P83 and the P261. The only BRM Spence drove in '67 was > the P83. Hobbs and Courage (a vastly under-rated driver...and the first > killed by would-be Commendatore Frank Williams) drove only the P261. > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Great info. Steve thanks ! Can't remember, and I don't have your book > > handy<g>, what engine were the BRM's running in '66 ? > > > > John > > > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:JjcV9.169716$[email hidden]... > > > I was going to do a book abt. the making of "Grand Prix" before > > > Frankenheimer died, and got as far as the first interview. > > > > > > The sound (or at least the engine sounds) were all post. They took a > > bunch > > > of F1 cars (1 '66 BRM, I think, and a couple of clapped-out '65 & > earlier > > > models) to Riverside. Phil Hill and Bob Bondurant drove them around > > whilst > > > rigged with Nagras. > > > > > > The "picture" cars were all Formula 3s with faux F1 bodies built byQuoted text (10 lines)
> > > down thru Burnenville, where you can see one of the BRMs that went off > at > > > Malmedy. > > > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:%XZU9.2936$%[email hidden]... > > > > >"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > > Really ? His hand is moving at each shift, but even with hisQuoted text (10 lines)
> > > > moving, > > > > > could still be a different soundtrack, see your point. Thing is > > though, > > > > > the "nose cam" view still doesn't show any deceleration at all in > > those > > > > > turns(and he's hauling, no question of that), that require it in > GPL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well racing with a "fixed" view in GPL also gives the impressionQuoted text (8 lines)
> > the > > > > car isn't decelerating, since there's no movement of the camera vs. > the > > > > chassis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, in the movie Grand Prix it's obvious that there's a slight > > > > acceleration of the racing footage (perhaps, 5% not more) so thatQuoted text (7 lines)
> > the > > > > real speeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > For the sound, Hollywood studios don't have microphones on their > cameras > > > > (they do sometimes, but rarely in "modern" cinema). All the soundQuoted text (22 lines)
> > > hear > > > > in the movie was done in post-production, or was recorded by mic > booms. > > > > > > > > Just watch the Monza race at the end, it's pretty cheesy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 01:26:44 GMT, Steve Smith wrote:
> the P83. Hobbs and Courage (a vastly under-rated driver...and the first
> killed by would-be Commendatore Frank Williams) drove only the P261.
>
what do you mean by "killed by Frank Williams"? Just curious.
uwe
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In article <[email hidden]>,
"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> writes:
>
> Thanks Steve.........but I was looking for info. on '66 :) Were the
>H16's being used by BRM then too ?
>'66 was the first year of the 3.0 litre formula, almost no one had their new
engines ready at the start of the season. Most teams bored out their old
engines as far as they could. BRM started with a 2.0 litre V8 and finished up
with the H16, but the book I looked it up in wasn't clear about when the change
happened. I just went to Forix to see if they could tell me and found they
became a subscription only site as of yesterday.
Don McCorkle
"Woodie 83" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> engines ready at the start of the season. Most teams bored out their old
> engines as far as they could. BRM started with a 2.0 litre V8 andfinished up
> with the H16, but the book I looked it up in wasn't clear about when thechange
> happened. I just went to Forix to see if they could tell me and foundthey
> became a subscription only site as of yesterday.
>
>
>
> Don McCorkle
>
Thanks Don. Exactly what I was wondering about, because of the
changeover.
John
>
>
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> In article <[email hidden]>, > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > Thanks Steve.........but I was looking for info. on '66 :) Were the > >H16's being used by BRM then too ? > > > '66 was the first year of the 3.0 litre formula, almost no one had their"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<YK1V9.3093$[email hidden]>...
Jackie Stewart never drove that BRM for that movie. The driver that
was driving the BRM and using Stewart's helmet was Richie Ginther.
Arturo
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> >"Peter Nilsson" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Oh bliss! > > URL http://www.netaware.cistron.nl/cpz/zandvoort-3.mpeg > > is a complete lap! > > No ads. No clips. No interruptions. No music. No view/camera changes. > > Authentic sound. > > God I wish all racing clips were like this. > > > That's from the "Laps of the Gods" TV.
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> "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<YK1V9.3093$[email hidden]>...
Thanks Arturo !
John
