Help! DX9 Problem

Hi: Based on reports in the newsgroup that N2003 will require DX9, I took the plunge this afternoon and installed it, and now F1 2002 won't start. As soon as I click on the icon, the screen goes blank and then boots me back to the desktop with a DDHelp error. I've tried rebooting many times, and the result is the same. System info: Win98, Ti4200, 30.82 drivers. Luckily, I made a Ghost image before installing DX9, so I restored back to DX8 and everything works fine again. One thing I noticed: usually when I start F1 2002 the right hand light on my Momo illuminates when the first splash screen comes up. With DX9, the light doesn't come on. Something else: I've nver had any luck getting F1 2002 running with any drivers above 30.82; I get the same DDHelp error, that's why I've never upgraded drivers. Anybody got any suggestions? If I can't get DX9 to work, does this mean I won't be able to run N2003? Thanks, DP

Dave I have Win98, Ti4200, 41.09 Nvidia drivers (FSAA doesn't work with any of the MOD's) and DX9 installed without issue. Is it possible that its your MOMO wheel causing the conflict? I am still using an old Logitech Formula Force. DaveM "DaveP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi: > > Based on reports in the newsgroup that N2003 will require DX9, I took > the plunge this afternoon and installed it, and now F1 2002 won't > start. As soon as I click on the icon, the screen goes blank and then > boots me back to the desktop with a DDHelp error. I've tried > rebooting many times, and the result is the same. System info: > Win98, Ti4200, 30.82 drivers. > > Luckily, I made a Ghost image before installing DX9, so I restored > back to DX8 and everything works fine again. > > One thing I noticed: usually when I start F1 2002 the right hand > light on my Momo illuminates when the first splash screen comes up. > With DX9, the light doesn't come on. > > Something else: I've nver had any luck getting F1 2002 running with > any drivers above 30.82; I get the same DDHelp error, that's why I've > never upgraded drivers. > > Anybody got any suggestions? If I can't get DX9 to work, does this > mean I won't be able to run N2003? > > Thanks, > > DP >

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> Hi: > > Based on reports in the newsgroup that N2003 will require DX9, I took > the plunge this afternoon and installed it, and now F1 2002 won't > start. As soon as I click on the icon, the screen goes blank and then > boots me back to the desktop with a DDHelp error. I've tried > rebooting many times, and the result is the same. System info: > Win98, Ti4200, 30.82 drivers. > > Luckily, I made a Ghost image before installing DX9, so I restored > back to DX8 and everything works fine again. > > One thing I noticed: usually when I start F1 2002 the right hand > light on my Momo illuminates when the first splash screen comes up. > With DX9, the light doesn't come on. > > Something else: I've nver had any luck getting F1 2002 running with > any drivers above 30.82; I get the same DDHelp error, that's why I've > never upgraded drivers. > > Anybody got any suggestions? If I can't get DX9 to work, does this > mean I won't be able to run N2003? > > Thanks, > > DP > >

Most likely you are seeing a driver version conflict. I've been running drivers in the 40's for some time on a GF3 ti 200 so there is NO reason why your card also shouldn't work with those drivers. I would suggest getting a utility called detonator destroyer and then doing some research on how to properly remove all traces of Nvidia drivers. Plus there does seem to be some conflicts when upgrading from the 30's version of Detonators to the 40's so once again, there is a utility that will address this issue. 3dguru.com might have the info or the Mad Onion site. finally some ATI users have found old Nvidia registry links even after totally uninstalling their Nvidia cards. Follow the correct procedure to change drivers from the Detonators to a default VGA driver. Then run the Destroyer and another util called RegClean to search out any Nvidia regitry links. FInally search for any files that start with NV*.* and erase those. Only then should you attempt to update your drivers to the 40's. Good luck getting dx9 to work, no matter which version..all the way back to dx3, there have always been users who have had troubles migrating from one version to the next. But never have I heard of it being impossible. dave henrie ps...just as an afterthought, don't leave drivers unzipped in temp folders. Once you have installed the drivers, delete the temp folder. Leaving the extra files on your system could cause some minor conflicts as well. The only drivers I keep stored on my HD are all zipped up to prevent any problems.

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> > Most likely you are seeing a driver version conflict. I've been running >drivers in the 40's for some time on a GF3 ti 200 so there is NO reason why >your card also shouldn't work with those drivers. I would suggest getting >a utility called detonator destroyer and then doing some research on how to >properly remove all traces of Nvidia drivers. Plus there does seem to be >some conflicts when upgrading from the 30's version of Detonators to the >40's so once again, there is a utility that will address this issue. >3dguru.com might have the info or the Mad Onion site. > finally some ATI users have found old Nvidia registry links even after >totally uninstalling their Nvidia cards. Follow the correct procedure to >change drivers from the Detonators to a default VGA driver. Then run the >Destroyer and another util called RegClean to search out any Nvidia regitry >links. FInally search for any files that start with NV*.* and erase those. >Only then should you attempt to update your drivers to the 40's. > Good luck getting dx9 to work, no matter which version..all the way back >to dx3, there have always been users who have had troubles migrating from >one version to the next. But never have I heard of it being impossible. >dave henrie > ps...just as an afterthought, don't leave drivers unzipped in temp >folders. Once you have installed the drivers, delete the temp folder. >Leaving the extra files on your system could cause some minor conflicts as >well. The only drivers I keep stored on my HD are all zipped up to prevent >any problems.

Hi Dave: Thanks a lot for the advice. I followed your instructions, and now have the 40.72 drivers and DX9 installed. F1 2002 now runs, but only in 16-bit mode (no matter what the resolution). I thought it may have something to do with my desktop settings, but it's the same whether my desktop is set at 16 bit or 32 bit. But, thanks to your suggestions, I'm at least able to run F1 2002 again. Any idea why 32 bit won't work (it worked okay using DX 8.1 and the 30.82 drivers. Thanks, DP

Hi Dave, There are 2 diff. utils - one called RegClean and one called Reg Cleaner. I've had the former for years. Just discovered the latter here on r.a.s. and judge it *vastly* superior. The home page is: http://www.vtoy.fi/jv16/index.php Bon chance! --Steve Smith "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> DaveP <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > Hi: > > > > Based on reports in the newsgroup that N2003 will require DX9, I took > > the plunge this afternoon and installed it, and now F1 2002 won't > > start. As soon as I click on the icon, the screen goes blank and then > > boots me back to the desktop with a DDHelp error. I've tried > > rebooting many times, and the result is the same. System info: > > Win98, Ti4200, 30.82 drivers. > > > > Luckily, I made a Ghost image before installing DX9, so I restored > > back to DX8 and everything works fine again. > > > > One thing I noticed: usually when I start F1 2002 the right hand > > light on my Momo illuminates when the first splash screen comes up. > > With DX9, the light doesn't come on. > > > > Something else: I've nver had any luck getting F1 2002 running with > > any drivers above 30.82; I get the same DDHelp error, that's why I've > > never upgraded drivers. > > > > Anybody got any suggestions? If I can't get DX9 to work, does this > > mean I won't be able to run N2003? > > > > Thanks, > > > > DP > > > > > > Most likely you are seeing a driver version conflict. I've been

running > drivers in the 40's for some time on a GF3 ti 200 so there is NO reasonwhy > your card also shouldn't work with those drivers. I would suggest getting > a utility called detonator destroyer and then doing some research on howto

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> properly remove all traces of Nvidia drivers. Plus there does seem to be > some conflicts when upgrading from the 30's version of Detonators to the > 40's so once again, there is a utility that will address this issue. > 3dguru.com might have the info or the Mad Onion site. > finally some ATI users have found old Nvidia registry links even after > totally uninstalling their Nvidia cards. Follow the correct procedure to > change drivers from the Detonators to a default VGA driver. Then run the > Destroyer and another util called RegClean to search out any Nvidia

regitry > links. FInally search for any files that start with NV*.* and erasethose.

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> Only then should you attempt to update your drivers to the 40's. > Good luck getting dx9 to work, no matter which version..all the way back > to dx3, there have always been users who have had troubles migrating from > one version to the next. But never have I heard of it being impossible. > dave henrie > ps...just as an afterthought, don't leave drivers unzipped in temp > folders. Once you have installed the drivers, delete the temp folder. > Leaving the extra files on your system could cause some minor conflicts as > well. The only drivers I keep stored on my HD are all zipped up to

prevent > any problems.

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:l3KW9.19456$[email hidden]:

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> Hi Dave, > > There are 2 diff. utils - one called RegClean and one called Reg > Cleaner. I've had the former for years. Just discovered the latter > here on r.a.s. and judge it *vastly* superior. The home page is: > > http://www.vtoy.fi/jv16/index.php > > Bon chance! > > --Steve Smith > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> DaveP <[email hidden]> wrote in >> news:[email hidden]: >>

Ok, next question, It was pointed out to me that Detonator Destroyer is only for the Win9x's Is there a version for XP?(see why I still use the dinosaur??) dave henrie

DaveP

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> > Thanks a lot for the advice. I followed your instructions, and now > have the 40.72 drivers and DX9 installed. F1 2002 now runs, but only > in 16-bit mode (no matter what the resolution). I thought it may have > something to do with my desktop settings, but it's the same whether my > desktop is set at 16 bit or 32 bit. But, thanks to your suggestions, > I'm at least able to run F1 2002 again. Any idea why 32 bit won't > work (it worked okay using DX 8.1 and the 30.82 drivers. > > Thanks, > > DP >

Don'tcha just wish EVERYTHING would work like it's supposed to? I don't know why your 32bit color isn't working. That is indeed a strange one. I think the general rule is always choose a game screen one size smaller than your desktop..but that isn't really applicable to your problem, nor do I think it paticularly effective. At least you got it running again...maybe somebody else will have some more info.. dave henrie

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:l3KW9.19456$[email hidden]: > > > Hi Dave, > > > > There are 2 diff. utils - one called RegClean and one called Reg > > Cleaner. I've had the former for years. Just discovered the latter > > here on r.a.s. and judge it *vastly* superior. The home page is: > > > > http://www.vtoy.fi/jv16/index.php > > > > Bon chance! > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > >> DaveP <[email hidden]> wrote in > >> news:[email hidden]: > >> > Ok, next question, It was pointed out to me that Detonator Destroyer

is > only for the Win9x's Is there a version for XP?(see why I still use the > dinosaur??) > dave henrie Dave, I read recently that Det Destroyer is not necessary for XP since the uninstall routine cleans up everything including all registry entries. FWIW, I've never had trouble switching Det. drivers (both new and old since I've reverted back to 30.82 several times) with XP in the last 15 months of running XP. -- Joe M.

I still haven't made the leap, altho Alison sneers that I can hardly call myself a professional if I'm still playing with Barney dolls in the nursery. I was going to buy a store-bought 'puta (Alienware or somesuch) after Xmas, but my latest HD crash cost me too much time and money. Besides, I don't want to make a move until SP2 is out. Bottom line, no I don't know of a DD for XP. Reg Cleaner prolly has enuf info to winkle out most of the debris left in the corners of the Registry's sardine tin. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:l3KW9.19456$[email hidden]: > > > Hi Dave, > > > > There are 2 diff. utils - one called RegClean and one called Reg > > Cleaner. I've had the former for years. Just discovered the latter > > here on r.a.s. and judge it *vastly* superior. The home page is: > > > > http://www.vtoy.fi/jv16/index.php > > > > Bon chance! > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > >> DaveP <[email hidden]> wrote in > >> news:[email hidden]: > >> > Ok, next question, It was pointed out to me that Detonator Destroyer

is > only for the Win9x's Is there a version for XP?(see why I still use the > dinosaur??) > dave henrie

Thx for that info, Joe. "Joe M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in > > news:l3KW9.19456$[email hidden]: > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > There are 2 diff. utils - one called RegClean and one called Reg > > > Cleaner. I've had the former for years. Just discovered the latter > > > here on r.a.s. and judge it *vastly* superior. The home page is: > > > > > > http://www.vtoy.fi/jv16/index.php > > > > > > Bon chance! > > > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > >> DaveP <[email hidden]> wrote in > > >> news:[email hidden]: > > >> > > Ok, next question, It was pointed out to me that Detonator Destroyer > is > > only for the Win9x's Is there a version for XP?(see why I still use

the

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> > dinosaur??) > > dave henrie > > Dave, > > I read recently that Det Destroyer is not necessary for XP since the > uninstall routine cleans up everything including all registry entries. > FWIW, I've never had trouble switching Det. drivers (both new and old

since > I've reverted back to 30.82 several times) with XP in the last 15 monthsof > running XP. > > -- > Joe M. > >

Don't let Alison impress you with invalid comparisons - you should be old and experienced enough to not fall for such tricks anymore ;-) Achim "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ovRW9.38619$[email hidden]... > I still haven't made the leap, altho Alison sneers that I can hardly call > myself a professional if I'm still playing with Barney dolls in thenursery.

No, she's right. If I'm going to write abt. PC games, I oughtta be familiar w. XP. Whew! Thank goodness my last assignment was to write abt. consoles! Talk abt. a no-brainer.... "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b0gtud$pdedm$[email hidden]...

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> Don't let Alison impress you with invalid comparisons - you should be old > and experienced enough to not fall for such tricks anymore ;-) > > Achim > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ovRW9.38619$[email hidden]... > > I still haven't made the leap, altho Alison sneers that I can hardly

call > > myself a professional if I'm still playing with Barney dolls in the > nursery. > >

<g> "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:F10X9.3140$[email hidden]... ... > Thank goodness my last assignment was to write abt. consoles! > Talk abt. a no-brainer....