Nascar ratings down

Nascar ratings down in 2006. I'm not really surprised. Brian France has pretty much alienated all the die hard NASCAR fans and taken what was once a great series and turned it into a money making greed-fest where dollars, kids, TV censors now rule the day. I really have zero interest in seeing yet another 18 yr old media-described wonder boy put into the best equipment then given EVERY OPPORTUNITY for years on end because he has a purty smile on TV. The chase SUCKS! The last 10 races Id bet I watched less than 1/3 of each race. Just a couple years ago it was a preposterous idea that I'd miss any part of any race. I don't want to see every non-chase driver just pull over to let a chaser go by. That aint racin. Toyota, Montoya, Erin Crocker and Bill Lester.... None of which belong anywhere near any Nascar vehicle. I want to see fights on the backstretch and cussing at each other after a wreck. Racing is emotion and Nascar has effectively killed any/all emotion. And to top it all off we get to watch an endless cycle of bad commercials. Literally more commercials than racing. Then come back from commercial for yet another caution due to a self spin or roll bar pad. How many tracks the past couple years have broken their long held caution records? Nepotism rarely works and Nascar is yet more proof of the failed concept.. Mitch

I agree with most of that, altho I really have no problem with JPM in a cup car or with Toyota joining the series. It's good to see a manufacturer in NASCAR who actually builds cars in the United States.

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> Nascar ratings down in 2006. > > I'm not really surprised. Brian France has pretty much alienated all the > die hard NASCAR fans and taken what was once a great series and turned it > into a money making greed-fest where dollars, kids, TV censors now rule the > day. > > I really have zero interest in seeing yet another 18 yr old media-described > wonder boy put into the best equipment then given EVERY OPPORTUNITY for > years on end because he has a purty smile on TV. > > The chase SUCKS! The last 10 races Id bet I watched less than 1/3 of each > race. Just a couple years ago it was a preposterous idea that I'd miss any > part of any race. I don't want to see every non-chase driver just pull over > to let a chaser go by. That aint racin. > > Toyota, Montoya, Erin Crocker and Bill Lester.... None of which belong > anywhere near any Nascar vehicle. > > I want to see fights on the backstretch and cussing at each other after a > wreck. Racing is emotion and Nascar has effectively killed any/all emotion. > > And to top it all off we get to watch an endless cycle of bad commercials. > Literally more commercials than racing. Then come back from commercial for > yet another caution due to a self spin or roll bar pad. How many tracks > the past couple years have broken their long held caution records? > > Nepotism rarely works and Nascar is yet more proof of the failed concept.. > > > Mitch > > >

My only problem is he's only here to cash in on the Nascar money-train. I'd be curious to know how he felt inside about Nascar in the past. With the prevailing F1 elitism I could hazard a guess but thats all it'd be :) For some reason the term "redneck" comes to mind but I could be way off, hehe.. Mitch "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >I agree with most of that, altho I really have no problem with JPM in a > cup car or with Toyota joining the series. It's good to see a > manufacturer in NASCAR who actually builds cars in the United States. >

Just for you Freddy. The head of the UN's anti-drugs office has said that cannabis use has turned into a major pandemic which is causing as much harm as cocaine and heroin. Antonio Maria Costa also implicitly criticised countries such as Britain for relaxing the law on the possession of cannabis. "Policy reversals leave young people confused as to just how dangerous cannabis is," Mr Costa said. "With cannabis-related health damage increasing, it is fundamentally wrong for countries to make cannabis control dependent on which party is in government. Today, the harmful characteristics of cannabis are no longer that different from those of other plant-based drugs such as cocaine and heroin." What is cannabis? The most commonly used illicit drug in Britain, if not the world, also called marijuana, it is produced from certain parts of the Cannabis sativa plant and comes in various forms - dried leaves, concentrated resin known as hashish, or distilled oil. The strongest parts of the plant are the female flowering tops, which are prevented from going to seed by growing them in a pollen-free environment. Sensemillia, as this form of cannabis is sometimes called, is strong because none of the plant's energy goes into making seeds, but instead produces the psychoactive substances which cause the desired effect. Cannabis grows wild in many parts of the world, from Poland and Hungary to Afghanistan, India and China. Its dried leaves or resin have been smoked by varied cultures over many thousands of years. Cannabis has been used in societies ranging from the Hindus of India, the Thracians of southern Europe and the ancient Scythians, who liked to smoke it in a steam room. Indeed the charred seeds of cannabis have been found at a Stone Age burial site in Romania, and cannabis was first documented as a herbal remedy in a Chinese pharmacy text of the first century AD. Why do people take it? Cannabis is a psychoactive substance; in other words, it affects the brain. But it also affects other parts of the body. It increases pulse rate, decreases blood pressure, causes bloodshot eyes and increases appetite. However, it is the effects on the brain that cause the feelings of calm euphoria and gentle elation that many users enjoy. The drug has a mild sedative effect but the experience depends greatly on individual mood and the social environment at the time it is taken. Some people get the giggles and become talkative, others become subdued and quiet - the classic symptoms of being "stoned". Many people feel less inhibited while under the influence of cannabis, in much the same way as drinking alcohol, which is why it is a common party drug. What does it do to the brain? The most active ingredient of cannabis is a chemical called tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). It can pass across the biological barrier that separates the brain from the bloodstream, and in doing so penetrates the central nervous system. Here, it acts on the natural proteins or receptors that control nerve impulses passed from one part of the brain to another. Cannabinoids such as THC act on a specific protein receptor that is widely distributed in the brain. As a result it interferes with concentration and thought, memory, pain perception and muscle co-ordination. THC particularly interferes with the cerebellum - the "autopilot" of the brain - which is important for balance, posture, and co-ordination of movement. The drug also affects the hippocampus, which is important for the formation of memory. These influences on the brain help to explain why cannabis intensifies ordinary sensory experiences, such as eating, watching films or listening to music. They also explain why users get a false sense of how time passes, and why they suffer from various problems with short-term memory, poor reaction time and general unsteadiness. Are there any more dangerous side-effects? This is a hotly disputed topic. Cannabis does not produce physical dependency, as does heroin, but some people who use it regularly can become psychologically dependent. Cannabis smoke is carcinogenic, and so can contribute to lung cancer, just like tobacco smoke. And regular smoking can exacerbate existing respiratory problems, such as asthma, bronchitis and wheezing. A few studies have suggested that regular users may also have impaired immune systems, and there is little doubt that driving while stoned is dangerous - one study found that smoking cannabis doubles the risk of fatal car crashes. According to a study in The Lancet, large doses of THC produce confusion, amnesia, delusions, hallucinations, anxiety and agitation. "Such reactions are rare, occurring after unusually heavy cannabis use; in most cases they remit rapidly after abstinence from cannabis," it says. The really important issue is whether cannabis can cause serious, long-term problems for a person's mental health. Earlier this year the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs concluded that there may be a link between cannabis use and the onset of psychotic illnesses, although there was insufficient evidence to state that frequent users were more likely to develop schizophrenia. Nevertheless, several studies have suggested that there may well be an association between smoking cannabis in adolescence and mental illness in later life - including schizophrenia. What does the stronger version do to you? It has been suggested that the smoking of more potent forms of cannabis, known as "skunk", can result in something called cannabis psychosis, although this has not been conclusively proved. Skunk is a generic name used to describe the 100 or so varieties of cannabis plant that have higher-than-average levels of THC. Skunk may also contain higher levels of the 40 other substances in cannabis that are thought to be capable of having an effect on the body. Traditional varieties of cannabis have a THC content of between 2 and 4 per cent, while some varieties of skunk can have THC levels of up to 20 per cent. Some users say the immediate effect of smoking skunk is that they get stoned more quickly. They also report higher levels of transient hallucinations, which are particularly common in people who have already taken LSD, a known hallucinogenic drug. Skunk's potency can sometimes catch people out if they have been used to more dilute forms of cannabis. As a result they can suffer from anxiety attacks and feelings of mild paranoia. However, there is no evidence to suggest that smoking skunk poses any new risks compared with the heavy smoking of weaker forms of cannabis. Is cannabis medicinal? Cannabis has a long history as a folk remedy, and some of its natural constituents are reported to have therapeutic value for illnesses such as asthma, glaucoma, mild to severe muscle spasms and pain, as well as anorexia and mood disorders. Is smoking cannabis really that bad for you? Yes... * There is convincing evidence to suggest a link between heavy use and serious mental illness * Cannabis smoke is just as dangerous as cigarette smoke in causing lung disease * Driving while even mildly stoned significantly increases the risk of fatal accidents No... * There is no evidence that cannabis causes physical dependency in the manner of heroin or cocaine * Mild users of cannabis are not more likely to become addicted to 'harder drugs' * Many long-term users of cannabis lead normal, healthy lives which they find enhanced by recreational use of the drug

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> Nascar ratings down in 2006. > > I'm not really surprised. Brian France has pretty much alienated all the > die hard NASCAR fans and taken what was once a great series and turned it > into a money making greed-fest where dollars, kids, TV censors now rule the > day. > > I really have zero interest in seeing yet another 18 yr old media-described > wonder boy put into the best equipment then given EVERY OPPORTUNITY for > years on end because he has a purty smile on TV. > > The chase SUCKS! The last 10 races Id bet I watched less than 1/3 of each > race. Just a couple years ago it was a preposterous idea that I'd miss any > part of any race. I don't want to see every non-chase driver just pull over > to let a chaser go by. That aint racin. > > Toyota, Montoya, Erin Crocker and Bill Lester.... None of which belong > anywhere near any Nascar vehicle. > > I want to see fights on the backstretch and cussing at each other after a > wreck. Racing is emotion and Nascar has effectively killed any/all emotion. > > And to top it all off we get to watch an endless cycle of bad commercials. > Literally more commercials than racing. Then come back from commercial for > yet another caution due to a self spin or roll bar pad. How many tracks > the past couple years have broken their long held caution records? > > Nepotism rarely works and Nascar is yet more proof of the failed concept.. > > > Mitch

didn't nbc say they were droping nascar from next year ? the whole presentation is just slicked down to entertain an 8 year old it seems, in my opinion. then you have speed, which is only conspiring to be the nascar only channel, to innundate us with endless pre and post race dribble-- honestly, if you see all the meandering reports they broadcast you can see they are just striving to fill up all the alloted broadcast time, and are having a hard time doing it, meanwhile real motor vehicle racing of any type- the presumed subject of the speed network- goes unaired. I honestly don't understand the popularity of nascar in the states, surely it is not the racing, as you would expect them to be race fans and yet they are not- they are nascar fans- so it is the marketing to trailer park trash types- for which one must congratulate the nascar marketeers on a fine sales job at the expense of motor vehicle racing.

Mitch_A wrote: > Nascar ratings down in 2006. > .. >. > Toyota, Montoya, Erin Crocker and Bill Lester.... None of which belong > anywhere near any Nascar vehicle. > .. >. > . > Mitch Welcome to Stereotype Theatre! Your host....Mitch_A!!!!! Foreign auto mfg., Columbian driver, a female and an African American....hmmmm. Xenophobia or just pure racism?

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> > didn't nbc say they were droping nascar from next year ? the whole > presentation is just slicked down to entertain an 8 year old it seems, > in my opinion. then you have speed, which is only conspiring to be the > nascar only channel, to innundate us with endless pre and post race > dribble-- honestly, if you see all the meandering reports they > broadcast you can see they are just striving to fill up all the alloted > broadcast time, and are having a hard time doing it, meanwhile real > motor vehicle racing of any type- the presumed subject of the speed > network- goes unaired. I honestly don't understand the popularity of > nascar in the states, surely it is not the racing, as you would expect > them to be race fans and yet they are not- they are nascar fans- so it > is the marketing to trailer park trash types- for which one must > congratulate the nascar marketeers on a fine sales job at the expense > of motor vehicle racing.

What series are they not airing at the expense of NASCAR? WRC, F1, SPEED World Challenge & MotoGP are a few of the other series I have seen myself or ads for. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of the SPEEDTV NASCAR lineup that I would ditch, and I LIKE the Nextel Cup series. But to say that they are omitting something else that they have a license to air seems preposterous. Look, a lot of it comes down to who pays the bills. It's a business, first and foremost and when it comes down to deciding whether more ppl. will watch a NASCAR based show or boat racing, it's kind of a no brainer. Sure, the boat racing fans (or any other genre of racing that has a tiny TV audience) get pissed, but they are so in the minority that catering to them is a recipe for financial ruin.

Nascar sucks, damn Demmycrats control Congress, if your sister cuts you off its gonna be a really bad year for you down in the trailer park, ain't it? WS "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VJt9h.2939$[email hidden]...

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> Nascar ratings down in 2006. > > I'm not really surprised. Brian France has pretty much alienated all the > die hard NASCAR fans and taken what was once a great series and turned it > into a money making greed-fest where dollars, kids, TV censors now rule > the day. > > I really have zero interest in seeing yet another 18 yr old > media-described wonder boy put into the best equipment then given EVERY > OPPORTUNITY for years on end because he has a purty smile on TV. > > The chase SUCKS! The last 10 races Id bet I watched less than 1/3 of each > race. Just a couple years ago it was a preposterous idea that I'd miss > any part of any race. I don't want to see every non-chase driver just > pull over to let a chaser go by. That aint racin. > > Toyota, Montoya, Erin Crocker and Bill Lester.... None of which belong > anywhere near any Nascar vehicle. > > I want to see fights on the backstretch and cussing at each other after a > wreck. Racing is emotion and Nascar has effectively killed any/all > emotion. > > And to top it all off we get to watch an endless cycle of bad commercials. > Literally more commercials than racing. Then come back from commercial > for yet another caution due to a self spin or roll bar pad. How many > tracks the past couple years have broken their long held caution records? > > Nepotism rarely works and Nascar is yet more proof of the failed concept.. > > > Mitch > > >

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> Nascar ratings down in 2006. > > I'm not really surprised. Brian France has pretty much alienated all the > die hard NASCAR fans and taken what was once a great series and turned it > into a money making greed-fest where dollars, kids, TV censors now rule the > day. > > And to top it all off we get to watch an endless cycle of bad commercials. > Literally more commercials than racing. Then come back from commercial for > yet another caution due to a self spin or roll bar pad. How many tracks > the past couple years have broken their long held caution records? > > Nepotism rarely works and Nascar is yet more proof of the failed concept.. > > > Mitch > > >

I remember finding a web site that actually kept track of race time and commercial time. If I recall correctly, it was about 1/3 commercial and 2/3 racing. So that's about 20 minutes per hour for commercials. I'll try to find that web site again. I think it was for a charity of some sort.

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6Yv9h.15342$[email hidden]...

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> Just for you Freddy. > > The head of the UN's anti-drugs office has said that cannabis use has > turned into a major pandemic which is causing as much harm as cocaine and > heroin. Antonio Maria Costa also implicitly criticised countries such as > Britain for relaxing the law on the possession of cannabis. > "Policy reversals leave young people confused as to just how dangerous > cannabis is," Mr Costa said. "With cannabis-related health damage > increasing, it is fundamentally wrong for countries to make cannabis > control dependent on which party is in government. Today, the harmful > characteristics of cannabis are no longer that different from those of > other plant-based drugs such as cocaine and heroin." > > What is cannabis? > > The most commonly used illicit drug in Britain, if not the world, also > called marijuana, it is produced from certain parts of the Cannabis sativa > plant and comes in various forms - dried leaves, concentrated resin known > as hashish, or distilled oil. The strongest parts of the plant are the > female flowering tops, which are prevented from going to seed by growing > them in a pollen-free environment. Sensemillia, as this form of cannabis > is sometimes called, is strong because none of the plant's energy goes > into making seeds, but instead produces the psychoactive substances which > cause the desired effect. > > Cannabis grows wild in many parts of the world, from Poland and Hungary to > Afghanistan, India and China. Its dried leaves or resin have been smoked > by varied cultures over many thousands of years. Cannabis has been used in > societies ranging from the Hindus of India, the Thracians of southern > Europe and the ancient Scythians, who liked to smoke it in a steam room. > Indeed the charred seeds of cannabis have been found at a Stone Age burial > site in Romania, and cannabis was first documented as a herbal remedy in a > Chinese pharmacy text of the first century AD. > > Why do people take it? > > Cannabis is a psychoactive substance; in other words, it affects the > brain. But it also affects other parts of the body. It increases pulse > rate, decreases blood pressure, causes bloodshot eyes and increases > appetite. However, it is the effects on the brain that cause the feelings > of calm euphoria and gentle elation that many users enjoy. > > The drug has a mild sedative effect but the experience depends greatly on > individual mood and the social environment at the time it is taken. Some > people get the giggles and become talkative, others become subdued and > quiet - the classic symptoms of being "stoned". Many people feel less > inhibited while under the influence of cannabis, in much the same way as > drinking alcohol, which is why it is a common party drug. > > What does it do to the brain? > > The most active ingredient of cannabis is a chemical called > tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). It can pass across the biological barrier that > separates the brain from the bloodstream, and in doing so penetrates the > central nervous system. Here, it acts on the natural proteins or receptors > that control nerve impulses passed from one part of the brain to another. > > Cannabinoids such as THC act on a specific protein receptor that is widely > distributed in the brain. As a result it interferes with concentration and > thought, memory, pain perception and muscle co-ordination. THC > particularly interferes with the cerebellum - the "autopilot" of the > brain - which is important for balance, posture, and co-ordination of > movement. The drug also affects the hippocampus, which is important for > the formation of memory. > > These influences on the brain help to explain why cannabis intensifies > ordinary sensory experiences, such as eating, watching films or listening > to music. They also explain why users get a false sense of how time > passes, and why they suffer from various problems with short-term memory, > poor reaction time and general unsteadiness. > > Are there any more dangerous side-effects? > > This is a hotly disputed topic. Cannabis does not produce physical > dependency, as does heroin, but some people who use it regularly can > become psychologically dependent. Cannabis smoke is carcinogenic, and so > can contribute to lung cancer, just like tobacco smoke. And regular > smoking can exacerbate existing respiratory problems, such as asthma, > bronchitis and wheezing. > > A few studies have suggested that regular users may also have impaired > immune systems, and there is little doubt that driving while stoned is > dangerous - one study found that smoking cannabis doubles the risk of > fatal car crashes. According to a study in The Lancet, large doses of THC > produce confusion, amnesia, delusions, hallucinations, anxiety and > agitation. "Such reactions are rare, occurring after unusually heavy > cannabis use; in most cases they remit rapidly after abstinence from > cannabis," it says. > > The really important issue is whether cannabis can cause serious, > long-term problems for a person's mental health. Earlier this year the > Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs concluded that there may be a link > between cannabis use and the onset of psychotic illnesses, although there > was insufficient evidence to state that frequent users were more likely to > develop schizophrenia. Nevertheless, several studies have suggested that > there may well be an association between smoking cannabis in adolescence > and mental illness in later life - including schizophrenia. > > What does the stronger version do to you? > > It has been suggested that the smoking of more potent forms of cannabis, > known as "skunk", can result in something called cannabis psychosis, > although this has not been conclusively proved. Skunk is a generic name > used to describe the 100 or so varieties of cannabis plant that have > higher-than-average levels of THC. Skunk may also contain higher levels of > the 40 other substances in cannabis that are thought to be capable of > having an effect on the body. > > Traditional varieties of cannabis have a THC content of between 2 and 4 > per cent, while some varieties of skunk can have THC levels of up to 20 > per cent. Some users say the immediate effect of smoking skunk is that > they get stoned more quickly. They also report higher levels of transient > hallucinations, which are particularly common in people who have already > taken LSD, a known hallucinogenic drug. > > Skunk's potency can sometimes catch people out if they have been used to > more dilute forms of cannabis. As a result they can suffer from anxiety > attacks and feelings of mild paranoia. However, there is no evidence to > suggest that smoking skunk poses any new risks compared with the heavy > smoking of weaker forms of cannabis. > > Is cannabis medicinal? > > Cannabis has a long history as a folk remedy, and some of its natural > constituents are reported to have therapeutic value for illnesses such as > asthma, glaucoma, mild to severe muscle spasms and pain, as well as > anorexia and mood disorders. > > Is smoking cannabis really that bad for you? > > Yes... > > * There is convincing evidence to suggest a link between heavy use and > serious mental illness > > * Cannabis smoke is just as dangerous as cigarette smoke in causing lung > disease > > * Driving while even mildly stoned significantly increases the risk of > fatal accidents > > No... > > * There is no evidence that cannabis causes physical dependency in the > manner of heroin or cocaine > > * Mild users of cannabis are not more likely to become addicted to 'harder > drugs' > > * Many long-term users of cannabis lead normal, healthy lives which they > find enhanced by recreational use of the drug > >

Go have another dry martini & a cigar. or a beer & a cigarette. when was the last time you read about a marijuana overdose ? or drowning in their own vomit (smoke ?). Marijuana has a "gateway drug" ? What a joke, like alcohol does not exist or is not a drug ? I suppose being "mildly" drunk decreases the risk of a fatal accident while driving ? Or if you are drunk you just have a risk of a "accident". A recently published extensive study found no harmful effects of smoking marijuana even though they stated that it was their intent to find harmful effects before starting the study.

I knew some tards here like Bernie and Freddy would show a total lack of common sense as is so typical of a stoned schoolgirl but Im somewhat surprised to see you Darus jump through Pavlov's hoops so easily. Id assumed you had a bit more sense but as always I could be wrong. Affirmative action of any sort is blatant RACISM plain and simple. If he got to the Truck series on talent instead of his skin color Id likely be a fan of his cause he seems like a cool guy (but he cannot fn drive to save his life). Anyone of any color or sex has every right to drive a racecar. It's when that person gets special treatment that I have a problem. The Danica syndrome is alive and well. Mitch "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Mitch_A wrote: >> Nascar ratings down in 2006. >> . > . >>. >> Toyota, Montoya, Erin Crocker and Bill Lester.... None of which belong >> anywhere near any Nascar vehicle. >> . > . >>. >> . >> Mitch > > Welcome to Stereotype Theatre! Your host....Mitch_A!!!!! > > Foreign auto mfg., Columbian driver, a female and an African > American....hmmmm. > > Xenophobia or just pure racism? >

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> ... > Affirmative action of any sort is blatant RACISM plain and simple. If he > got to the Truck series on talent instead of his skin color Id likely be a > fan of his cause he seems like a cool guy (but he cannot fn drive to save > his life). Anyone of any color or sex has every right to drive a racecar. > It's when that person gets special treatment that I have a problem. The > Danica syndrome is alive and well. > > Mitch

The fact that Kerry Earnhardt got his CTS ride due to his surname and not his talent is somehow okay, perhaps because he is white? (And the use of the word "Talent" is done with a wide smirk on my face) Don't overlook the fact that K. Earnhardt finished BEHIND Lester in the points (despite KE running 1 more race) dissuade you from condemning Lester's driving ability. He's not likely to win any championships, but heck, I didn't think a Bodine (any of them) was capable of winning a championship. I also don't see this as affirmative action, either. Who did Bill Lester take a ride from? How can you prove (without a statement from Bill Davis admitting it) that Lester was selected SOLEY based on his race. SCCA Trans AM, 24HR Daytona races, and IMSA experience make him AT LEAST as qualified as any of the clowns that Jack Roush hires based on his stupid "Driver X"/Gong Show concept.

Funny how Mitch didnt mention Sam Hornish, Jr, who has crashed out of every race, but it doesnt bother mitch since he has WHITE skin. Mitch_A wrote:

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> I knew some tards here like Bernie and Freddy would show a total lack of > common sense as is so typical of a stoned schoolgirl but Im somewhat > surprised to see you Darus jump through Pavlov's hoops so easily. Id > assumed you had a bit more sense but as always I could be wrong. > > Affirmative action of any sort is blatant RACISM plain and simple. If he > got to the Truck series on talent instead of his skin color Id likely be a > fan of his cause he seems like a cool guy (but he cannot fn drive to save > his life). Anyone of any color or sex has every right to drive a racecar. > It's when that person gets special treatment that I have a problem. The > Danica syndrome is alive and well. > > Mitch > > > "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Mitch_A wrote: >>> Nascar ratings down in 2006. >>> . >> . >>> . >>> Toyota, Montoya, Erin Crocker and Bill Lester.... None of which belong >>> anywhere near any Nascar vehicle. >>> . >> . >>> . >>> . >>> Mitch >> Welcome to Stereotype Theatre! Your host....Mitch_A!!!!! >> >> Foreign auto mfg., Columbian driver, a female and an African >> American....hmmmm. >> >> Xenophobia or just pure racism? >> > >

And what about the Toyota ?

I guess you missed the "nepotism" bit in the other thread :) I can't prove anything but I can connect the dots better than most Lawmen :) Nascar has publicly stated they WANT more diversity (just saying that is racism in its purest form) and voila out pops Bill and Erin. Based on this evidence I can make a claim with more substance than your claim against... I could be wrong and Im not denying that but if it quacks like a duck..... YOURE A RACIST.. This is the same leftwing politically correct pavlovian bullshit response that they use EVERYTIME anyone visits affirmative action and it's blatant extreme racism. What you are shouldnt matter in any way shape or form. The government should do away with all race based questions. It shouldnt matter, plain and simple. The lefty activists demand this form of racism for the simple fact if there wasnt a wedge tool they wouldnt be able to ride the gravy train, ala Al Sharpton.. I got a speeding ticket a few weeks back from a <5'0' girl and all I kept thinking was how easy it would be for me to take her weapon and shoot her in the head (not that I should have to qualify this but obviously I wouldnt).. As she was writing the ticket I saw no less than 3 other cruisers in the close proximity. While it may have been sheer coincidence I come to the conclusion she was actually incapable of defending herself and required constant backup just in case.... Political correctness at the expense of public safety is one of the many reasons America will be joining the roman empire sooner rather than later. Ignorance is bliss. My daughter is half Mexican, my best friends are Mexican my step dad is Mexican. Because Im against illegal immigration in its current form that somehow translates (to the feeble mind) that I dont like Mexicans? Thats just dumb. Mitch "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> > The fact that Kerry Earnhardt got his CTS ride due to his surname and > not his talent is somehow okay, perhaps because he is white? (And the > use of the word "Talent" is done with a wide smirk on my face) Don't > overlook the fact that K. Earnhardt finished BEHIND Lester in the > points (despite KE running 1 more race) dissuade you from condemning > Lester's driving ability. He's not likely to win any championships, but > heck, I didn't think a Bodine (any of them) was capable of winning a > championship. > > I also don't see this as affirmative action, either. Who did Bill > Lester take a ride from? How can you prove (without a statement from > Bill Davis admitting it) that Lester was selected SOLEY based on his > race. SCCA Trans AM, 24HR Daytona races, and IMSA experience make him > AT LEAST as qualified as any of the clowns that Jack Roush hires based > on his stupid "Driver X"/Gong Show concept. >

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> On Nov 24, 1:55 pm, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > ... > > Affirmative action of any sort is blatant RACISM plain and simple. If he > > got to the Truck series on talent instead of his skin color Id likely be a > > fan of his cause he seems like a cool guy (but he cannot fn drive to save > > his life). Anyone of any color or sex has every right to drive a racecar. > > It's when that person gets special treatment that I have a problem. The > > Danica syndrome is alive and well. > > > MitchThe fact that Kerry Earnhardt got his CTS ride due to his surname and > not his talent is somehow okay, perhaps because he is white? (And the > use of the word "Talent" is done with a wide smirk on my face) Don't > overlook the fact that K. Earnhardt finished BEHIND Lester in the > points (despite KE running 1 more race) dissuade you from condemning > Lester's driving ability. He's not likely to win any championships, but > heck, I didn't think a Bodine (any of them) was capable of winning a > championship. > > I also don't see this as affirmative action, either. Who did Bill > Lester take a ride from? How can you prove (without a statement from > Bill Davis admitting it) that Lester was selected SOLEY based on his > race. SCCA Trans AM, 24HR Daytona races, and IMSA experience make him > AT LEAST as qualified as any of the clowns that Jack Roush hires based > on his stupid "Driver X"/Gong Show concept.

Check out what Danny O'Quinn and Erik Darnell ( two "Driver X participants) accomplished this year, before you call them "clowns".

Mitch_A wrote: > My only problem is he's only here to cash in on the Nascar money-train. I'd > be curious to know how he felt inside about Nascar in the past. With the > prevailing F1 elitism I could hazard a guess but thats all it'd be :) For > some reason the term "redneck" comes to mind but I could be way off, hehe.. Maybe. He did seem genuinely impressed when he and Gordon swapped cars for that publicity thing a few years ago, and he does have American oval racing experience. I see your point, I'm just not sure what I think of it. He definitely seems to be enjoying his first real taste of competitive stock car racing.

Darus wrote: > He's not likely to win any championships, but > heck, I didn't think a Bodine (any of them) was capable of winning a > championship. Really? Geoff Bodine was one of the top drivers in WC in the 80's.

Todd just won the Truck series and the other works for Nascar. Mitch "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Darus wrote: > >> He's not likely to win any championships, but >> heck, I didn't think a Bodine (any of them) was capable of winning a >> championship. > > Really? Geoff Bodine was one of the top drivers in WC in the 80's. >

George Adams wrote: > > Check out what Danny O'Quinn and Erik Darnell ( two "Driver X > participants) accomplished this year, before you call them "clowns". OK......Here's as many of the names I recall from the tv show: BGN Series Kluever (year before this, but point is same) 1 pole, 0 Top 5, 4 Top 10, 17th in points O'Quinn: 0 poles, 1 Top 5, 5 Top 10 19th in Points Vidovich: 0,0,0,0 33rd in points CTS Series: Darnell (the lone bright spot) 1 pole, 4 Top 5, 12 Top 10 12th in points, highest finishing rookie Ragan: 1, 0, 1, 8, 24th in points What is it I am looking at?

Mitch_A wrote: > I guess you missed the "nepotism" bit in the other thread :) I can't prove > anything but I can connect the dots better than most Lawmen :) Nascar has > publicly stated they WANT more diversity (just saying that is racism in its > purest form) and voila out pops Bill and Erin. Based on this evidence I can > make a claim with more substance than your claim against... I could be > wrong and Im not denying that but if it quacks like a duck..... Okay, so NASCAR "wants" something. Did all the team owners drop everything and hire minorities by dozen? No. In fact, aside from Lester, I can't recall another minority getting hired. There may have been, but it wasn't a frenzy that you seem to think is happening. Again, I ask.....WHO did NOT get a ride specifically because BL did? I did recall the nepotism bit...after I posted. :-(

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> > I got a speeding ticket a few weeks back from a <5'0' girl and all I kept > thinking was how easy it would be for me to take her weapon and shoot her in > the head (not that I should have to qualify this but obviously I wouldnt).. > As she was writing the ticket I saw no less than 3 other cruisers in the > close proximity. While it may have been sheer coincidence I come to the > conclusion she was actually incapable of defending herself and required > constant backup just in case.... Political correctness at the expense of > public safety is one of the many reasons America will be joining the roman > empire sooner rather than later. Ignorance is bliss.

Wow....where to begin? 1. I doubt anyone under 5' got hired. But let's assume for a moment she was. I know here, we are required to pull a 200lb. dead weight dummy 25 yards as part of a pre-hire physical ability test. I imagine most other states have a similar drill. So, if our diminutive officer here was able to perform something similar, I would her physical strength is greater than you give credit for. 2. You have no idea how to remove a pistol from a holster, nevermind doing while someone else is wearing the belt. This ain't the Wild West where it's lashed to your leg with a piece of leather. 3. I routinely back up other officers, of all sizes, regardless of the nature of the call reported. It's common sense. One NEVER knows when a "routine" call (no such thing) can go bad. I know that when the moment arises, I am going to have the world crashing down on anyone who might try to harm me. It's part of the brotherhood and we all do it. 4. So, you <seem> to be indicating now that the PC-ness (a female officer?) of public safety is an issue. And yet you expect ANYONE to think you DON'T wear a costume made from a sheet? > My daughter is half Mexican, my best friends are Mexican my step dad is > Mexican. Because Im against illegal immigration in its current form that > somehow translates (to the feeble mind) that I dont like Mexicans? Thats > just dumb. > > Mitch You said that, no one else. But as I recall from earlier...."if it quacks like a duck...." :-)

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> Darus wrote: > > > He's not likely to win any championships, but > > heck, I didn't think a Bodine (any of them) was capable of winning a > > championship. > > Really? Geoff Bodine was one of the top drivers in WC in the 80's.

He was competitive for certain, but 2 career season point finishes in the Top 5 is not a "top driver". I followed him very briefly when I first got into NASCAR, primarily to annoy my wife and father in law. His title this year goes to show that there is a level for everyone. Heck, even Johnny Benson awoke from the dead and made an appearance in the championship picture.

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> George Adams wrote: > > > Check out what Danny O'Quinn and Erik Darnell ( two "Driver X > > participants) accomplished this year, before you call them "clowns".OK......Here's as many of the names I recall from the tv show: > > BGN Series > > Kluever (year before this, but point is same) 1 pole, 0 Top 5, 4 Top > 10, 17th in points > O'Quinn: 0 poles, 1 Top 5, 5 Top 10 19th in Points > Vidovich: 0,0,0,0 33rd in points > > CTS Series: > > Darnell (the lone bright spot) 1 pole, 4 Top 5, 12 Top 10 12th in > points, highest finishing rookie > Ragan: 1, 0, 1, 8, 24th in points > > What is it I am looking at?

O'Quinn won Rookie of the Year in BGN. And what' s so bad about finishing 19th in his first full year?

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> jason moyer wrote: > > Darus wrote: > > > > He's not likely to win any championships, but > > > heck, I didn't think a Bodine (any of them) was capable of winning a > > > championship. > > > Really? Geoff Bodine was one of the top drivers in WC in the 80's.He was competitive for certain, but 2 career season point finishes in > the Top 5 is not a "top driver". I followed him very briefly when I > first got into NASCAR, primarily to annoy my wife and father in law. > > His title this year goes to show that there is a level for everyone. > Heck, even Johnny Benson awoke from the dead and made an appearance in > the championship picture.

The reference was to Geoff Bodine. Listed as one of the top 10 modified drivers in history (holds the record for wins in a single season), also listed a one of the 50 greatest Winston Cup drivers. 18 wins, 190 top tens, 37 poles. Not too shabby in my book. Saw him race modifieds many times here in the Northeast, and he was very impressive.

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> > What series are they not airing at the expense of NASCAR? WRC, F1, > SPEED World Challenge & MotoGP are a few of the other series I have > seen myself or ads for. > > Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of the SPEEDTV NASCAR lineup that I > would ditch, and I LIKE the Nextel Cup series. But to say that they are > omitting something else that they have a license to air seems > preposterous. Look, a lot of it comes down to who pays the bills. It's > a business, first and foremost and when it comes down to deciding > whether more ppl. will watch a NASCAR based show or boat racing, it's > kind of a no brainer. Sure, the boat racing fans (or any other genre of > racing that has a tiny TV audience) get pissed, but they are so in the > minority that catering to them is a recipe for financial ruin.

you seen ads for wrc ? 3 years ago was the last wrc coverage. DTM ? last year. SBK race 1 and race 2- did they show the entire series this year ? I understand your point about paying the bills etc. but I am unhappy with the way speed has deteriorated their programing to become a nascar channel on top of which all the meandering reality based tv shows they have, they're just foolish in my opinion. the problem is that if they don't show any of the other types of racing they will never develop an audience. it's like why soccer is popular television everywhere except north america. and why nhl isn't popular in africa or arabia...(he-he-he...). obviously the organizers of these european, world based motorsports need to help cultivate an audience in north america, lowering licencing fee for rebroadcast etc.. I guess the solution that would fit best for me would be speed branch off a nascar channel which I can choose not to sign up on, and return to the type of programing they had when I added speed to my cable programing.

Do you understand the concept of "survival of the fittest"? At this point in time in the USA SotF is nearly entirely hidden from view (you likely see this more than the avg citizen). That may not be the case in the future. When Im in a foxhole with life on the line I don't want the person next to me to be relying on emotion for survival. Woman are emotional creatures despite the training, its natural and not a fault. Its just the reality of life on Earth. Men have evolved the ability to compartmentalize under duress instead of falling victim to the biggest killer on a battlefield, emotion. Mother nature makes the *REAL* rules not some PC'd politician/bureaucrat scrounging for votes. Anyway.... She may have been a bit taller but from my vantage point she was puny. She was in shape and may have lasted a few seconds but my point persists. Just ask that Grandmother in the Ohio courthouse. Oh, you cant because the perp took her weapon out of her holster, shot her and others, IIRC killing them. You can't truthfully argue against the bitter reality here no matter how PC you try to be in the process. What really bothered me was this bitch's horrible 'tude (I honestly think she was TRYING to be a man) which she was carrying like a battery on her shoulder. In a different time she would have NO chance. Don't let reality get in the way of your PC-ness though :) I'd place my bet on the Airborne Infantryman getting a weapon out of a holster faster than a girl can pull out her gun anyday :-) (no liberal will ever understand the humor so if you are dont bother trying) There ya go with the sheet crap again. Is that all your type is capable of in response when the truth/reality hurts? The truth is I treat everyone equally bad regardless of color/gender, hehe... Its when political correctness threatens the very foundation of America that I have big issues. BTW I am a Katherine Legge fan. She won some races and is very competitive. A RACER. She struggled this year but I think it was because of the series change and I expect more this coming year from her. Danica on the other hand is a pretty face with marginal racing skills. That may change but Id assumed she was in good equipment this year. Driving a racecar is not hand to hand combat by any stretch of the imagination though, despite hollywoods version. Mitch "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > 1. I doubt anyone under 5' got hired. But let's assume for a moment she > was. I know here, we are required to pull a 200lb. dead weight dummy 25 > yards as part of a pre-hire physical ability test. I imagine most other > states have a similar drill. So, if our diminutive officer here was > able to perform something similar, I would her physical strength is > greater than you give credit for. > 2. You have no idea how to remove a pistol from a holster, nevermind > doing while someone else is wearing the belt. This ain't the Wild West > where it's lashed to your leg with a piece of leather. > 3. I routinely back up other officers, of all sizes, regardless of the > nature of the call reported. It's common sense. One NEVER knows when a > "routine" call (no such thing) can go bad. I know that when the moment > arises, I am going to have the world crashing down on anyone who might > try to harm me. It's part of the brotherhood and we all do it. > 4. So, you <seem> to be indicating now that the PC-ness (a female > officer?) of public safety is an issue. And yet you expect ANYONE to > think you DON'T wear a costume made from a sheet? > > >> My daughter is half Mexican, my best friends are Mexican my step dad is >> Mexican. Because Im against illegal immigration in its current form that >> somehow translates (to the feeble mind) that I dont like Mexicans? Thats >> just dumb. >> >> Mitch > > You said that, no one else. But as I recall from earlier...."if it > quacks like a duck...." > > > :-) >

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> Anyway.... > > She may have been a bit taller but from my vantage point she was puny. She > was in shape and may have lasted a few seconds but my point persists. Just > ask that Grandmother in the Ohio courthouse. Oh, you cant because the perp > took her weapon out of her holster, shot her and others, IIRC killing them. > You can't truthfully argue against the bitter reality here no matter how PC > you try to be in the process. > > What really bothered me was this bitch's horrible 'tude (I honestly think > she was TRYING to be a man) which she was carrying like a battery on her > shoulder. In a different time she would have NO chance. Don't let reality > get in the way of your PC-ness though :)

............ While I can say that I do not recall the incident you refer to at the Ohio courthouse (of course I will check it out however), the fact is exceptions DO happen. However, how often does one read that a police officer is killed by their own weapon? Answer?: Hardly ever. Ambushes are high on the list. I'll see if I can print out the list at work today. Reason for the answer?: Training. Back to our example officer here. You're aware that simply being smaller is size is a perfectly valid reason to shoot to stop in a confrontation as you described? Whereas I have to be far more "in fear" of death or serious injury, a smaller (and/or female) officer gets much greater freedom when it comes to describing the reason she double tapped you. Back to the original topic... It's obvious <you're> the one with the problem. Heck, you admitted as much, which is far more proof in my favor than you have for your alleged Bill Lester/AA claim. Perhaps "Mitch" isn't your real name. I propose that we call you "Archie" from now on. I have become quite tolerant (as a result of my job) of people with far differing attitudes and perceptions of life. If you want to hate all non-white, female, homosexual, foreign or any otherwise different (from you) group of people, go right ahead. Here in the good ole U S of A, we allow that. It's what makes this a great place. Of course, I can think that you are a delusional, crackpot racist as well. Enjoy the weekend, Archie!

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> > The reference was to Geoff Bodine. Listed as one of the top 10 modified > drivers in history (holds the record for wins in a single season), also > listed a one of the 50 greatest Winston Cup drivers. > > 18 wins, 190 top tens, 37 poles. Not too shabby in my book. Saw him > race modifieds many times here in the Northeast, and he was very > impressive.

Modifieds, while they fall under the purview of "NASCAR", is not stock car racing. As in Winston/Nextel Cup. So, putting his illustrious modified career aside, (it is very good, I can't deny that) what are we left with? 18 wins? Hmmmm..lemme see...Jeff Burton has 18 wins. Ernie Irvan had 15 wins. Hell, Kurt Busch has 15 wins AND A CHAMPIONSHIP! That must make him one of the 50 greatest drivers of all time as well.

Darus wrote: > 3. I routinely back up other officers, of all sizes, regardless of the > nature of the call reported. It's common sense. One NEVER knows when a > "routine" call (no such thing) can go bad. I know that when the moment > arises, I am going to have the world crashing down on anyone who might > try to harm me. It's part of the brotherhood and we all do it. Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen a single police car do anything unless it was responding to a crime that had already occurred. Pretty much anytime a crime is in progress there will be 2 or more cruisers involved.

Darus wrote: > Welcome to Stereotype Theatre! Your host....Mitch_A!!!!! I agree with Mitch that Lester and Crocker don't belong in a top-tier NASCAR series, and it has nothing to do with bigotry. There are racial minority members and women racing today in modifieds, late models, sprint cars, champcars, etc who have a lot more experience and would be much more deserving of a ride. NASCAR is shooting themselves in the foot by not using the best available talent in their diversity program, and I cringe everytime I see Lester or Crocker do something stupid on the track.

On Nov 25, 9:19 am, "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote: .... > and I cringe everytime I see Lester or Crocker do something stupid on > the track. And other drivers don't do stupid things on the track, right? Drivers of <greater> talent who make mistakes are somehow excused because they are not female or black? I simply don't understand what the problem is. Ray Evernham and Bill Davis have chosen Crocker and Lester as the drivers of their cars/trucks. Both have past experience as race drivers. They obviously have some level of talent, otherwise they wouldn't have even been in the running for a shot at the seat. That they happen to be a woman and African American shouldn't even be an issue. If they were selected off the street with no prior racing experience solely because of their gender or race, then you have an argument. Drivers of race cars are selected for many reasons other than their talent or experience. Going back to the "Driver X" tv show for a moment, they had a segment in which they each had to do a post race celebration/interview from victory lane. Several of the "good" drivers were given poor marks due to their speaking ability and marketing potential. Factors such as this ARE part of the decisions in choosing a driver. "Who" are these minorites/women that you refer to that have "a lot more experience"? Assuming that was true, did they WANT the rides that were available at Evernham or BDR? I am somewhat surprised that the claim that Lewis Hamilton is getting an F1 shot over Sebastian Bordais hasn't been mentioned. It's GOT to be the F1 diversity program in effect!

Darus wrote: > And other drivers don't do stupid things on the track, right? Drivers > of <greater> talent who make mistakes are somehow excused because they > are not female or black? It has nothing to do with their race or gender, and everything to do with them not being good drivers. I cringe when I see other bad drivers wreck each other or drive around way off the pace, but it bothers me more when it happens to those 2 because I know the inevitable "omg nascar shouldn't have women or blacks" outcry is going to follow. Crocker at least has some oval experience, but Lister didn't do anything remotely comparable to busch or cts prior to landing a ride. There's no way a white man with Lister's resume would be considered for a full-time Cup ride next year. Typically if you're white and male, you have to actually win something before reaching that level.

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> > It has nothing to do with their race or gender, and everything to do > with them not being good drivers. I cringe when I see other bad > drivers wreck each other or drive around way off the pace, but it > bothers me more when it happens to those 2 because I know the > inevitable "omg nascar shouldn't have women or blacks" outcry is going > to follow. > > Crocker at least has some oval experience, but Lister didn't do > anything remotely comparable to busch or cts prior to landing a ride. > There's no way a white man with Lister's resume would be considered for > a full-time Cup ride next year. Typically if you're white and male, > you have to actually win something before reaching that level.

I can understand your point, but honestly, I have NEVER heard such comments, at least publicly. If they were public, it would be huge news. So, either those people who think such things are keeping it quiet or it's not as prevalent as you think. Fan opinions are one thing, owner and other driver opinions are whole different thing. It's a fact....every series (even sim leagues) has a certain percentage of drivers who don't cut it. There are outstanding drivers, good drivers, poor drivers and the slow. I'd prefer to see a slow driver over a poor driver anyday. But being at the back of the field doesn't mean they don't belong. Montoya had no stock car experience prior to the last 3 months. Sure, there was a prior relationship with Ganassi, but why would he assume that JPM would quickly adapt to the series? Yet, he got a Cup deal and not an IRL or CART ride (whichever Ganassi runs). Or David Gilliland? A single BGN wins somehow elevated him to Cup status when Sadler left the Yates team? Isn't he white and male? There were NO other drivers that were better qualified than HIM? Oh wait, I forgot Archie's "nepotism" clause. David must have benefitted from Butch's seriously successful CTS/BGN career. Or the obvious "Dad's Winston West titles translates to Son's ability to drive Cup cars" transformation. I am no expert on Bill Lester, but being somewhat successful in sports cars/trans am shows me a level of car control. Let's also not forget the lower talent level in the CTS/BGN series drivers. (Don't take that the wrong way, they'd wipe the floor with me, but compared to the Cup series). Crocker and Lester are unlikely to be top level Cup drivers (assuming that is their goal) but might be good fits for the other series. As an owner running teams in all 3, wouldn't it be the goal to win often in all 3 series? If Evernham or Bill Davis felt that those were the best fit, who are we to complain otherwise?

I never said I hated anyone.. 2+2=73 in your world eh?. I was talking about the ratings and that was just a suggestion as to why they are down. I said none had any racing skill didnt I? How that turned into anything else is YOUR fucked up revisionist history. If youre so dumb that you can somehow twist that into racism then you need help I cannot give you. Sheeesh what a sadass dickhead you are. I think more "training" is in order. Im not sure if that is the answer to your lack of reading comprehension but go for it loser. Of course my name is Mitch, I have nothing to hide from unlike someone that calls herself "Lawman" LOL.... BTW ..|.. u ASSHOLE 10-4 Over and out.... "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Enjoy the weekend, Archie! >

Your fucked up world is shrouded in POLITICAL CORRECTNESS of course you don't hear this talk public anywhere, its called yellow appeasement and it doesnt work. EVERYONE knows the truth, but because of screaming liberals (and they use it as a tool) if anyone so much as mentions the truth about Affirmative Action its twisted into racism even though WE ALL KNOW Affirmative Action at its core is PURE RACISM. Thats no different than someone saying a black person cant be a racist, pure liberal BULLSHIT. It's time TRUTH AND REALITY retake the helm and PC-ness flushed where it belongs before it's too late. I want the best person for the job regardless of race. Never be scared to tell the TRUTH! Your self described *union owned* "Brotherhood" is as much of an enemy to the avg American citizen as the MI3 gang banger on the other side because were stuck in the middle. Your Brotherhood shoots first and asks second all in the name of public safety. What a fn joke your "Brotherhood" PC_Morphed into.. We all know the deal, you drive like a maniac and if/when you get pulled over you flash the badge and drive off, or you cover for your Brothers ass at any cost, pure bullshit right out of the para-militay. Brotherhood or MAFIA, thats the real question.... To you/media its a *Brotherhood* to the rest of us its Big Bothers Mafia. Maybe you all need to include the public into your brotherhood instead of treating US all as the enemy. Hitler had a "Brotherhood" too and it was called the SS.... Police Officers should be held to a HIGHER standard but if you are a cop we can all see that the standard is down around a slugs asshole and the PUBLIC must suffer for it silently. Mitch "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> > I can understand your point, but honestly, I have NEVER heard such > comments, at least publicly. If they were public, it would be huge > news. So, either those people who think such things are keeping it > quiet or it's not as prevalent as you think. Fan opinions are one > thing, owner and other driver opinions are whole different thing. >

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> Your fucked up world is shrouded in POLITICAL CORRECTNESS of course you > don't hear this talk public anywhere, its called yellow appeasement and it > doesnt work. EVERYONE knows the truth, but because of screaming liberals > (and they use it as a tool) if anyone so much as mentions the truth about > Affirmative Action its twisted into racism even though WE ALL KNOW > Affirmative Action at its core is PURE RACISM. Thats no different than > someone saying a black person cant be a racist, pure liberal BULLSHIT. It's > time TRUTH AND REALITY retake the helm and PC-ness flushed where it belongs > before it's too late. I want the best person for the job regardless of > race. Never be scared to tell the TRUTH! > > Your self described *union owned* "Brotherhood" is as much of an enemy to > the avg American citizen as the MI3 gang banger on the other side because > were stuck in the middle. Your Brotherhood shoots first and asks second all > in the name of public safety. What a fn joke your "Brotherhood" PC_Morphed > into.. We all know the deal, you drive like a maniac and if/when you get > pulled over you flash the badge and drive off, or you cover for your > Brothers ass at any cost, pure bullshit right out of the para-militay. > Brotherhood or MAFIA, thats the real question.... To you/media its a > *Brotherhood* to the rest of us its Big Bothers Mafia. Maybe you all need > to include the public into your brotherhood instead of treating US all as > the enemy. Hitler had a "Brotherhood" too and it was called the SS.... > Police Officers should be held to a HIGHER standard but if you are a cop we > can all see that the standard is down around a slugs asshole and the PUBLIC > must suffer for it silently. > > Mitch

No further questions Your Honor. We request a directed verdict based on the fact that the prosecution has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the defendant, Archie, is guilty by reason of insanity. It sure seemed like a reasonable debate for awhile, but I guess that supply of meds ran out during the weekend. Archie, I sure hope that your caretaker/guardian is paying close enough attention to you, because I really think that you might harm yourself during another irrational rant as posted above. Take some deep breaths and calm down before you have to have a timeout.

Mitch, I'm a huge fan of Katherine, also. She's the real deal, for sure. Here's a pic of her in Toronto in '05, using a sim! http://tinyurl.com/y8fpsr It's from Champcarfanatics.com Mitch_A wrote:

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> BTW I am a Katherine Legge fan. She won some races and is very competitive. > A RACER. She struggled this year but I think it was because of the series > change and I expect more this coming year from her. Danica on the other > hand is a pretty face with marginal racing skills. That may change but Id > assumed she was in good equipment this year. Driving a racecar is not hand > to hand combat by any stretch of the imagination though, despite hollywoods > version. > > Mitch

I will definitely agree that Nascar has effectively removed any emotion from the sport whatsoever. There should be a bullet-point in every sponser contract that says: "This is OUR series. You have no say in how we run it". Never happen though. -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VJt9h.2939$[email hidden]...

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> Nascar ratings down in 2006. > > I'm not really surprised. Brian France has pretty much alienated all the > die hard NASCAR fans and taken what was once a great series and turned it > into a money making greed-fest where dollars, kids, TV censors now rule > the day. > > I really have zero interest in seeing yet another 18 yr old > media-described wonder boy put into the best equipment then given EVERY > OPPORTUNITY for years on end because he has a purty smile on TV. > > The chase SUCKS! The last 10 races Id bet I watched less than 1/3 of each > race. Just a couple years ago it was a preposterous idea that I'd miss > any part of any race. I don't want to see every non-chase driver just > pull over to let a chaser go by. That aint racin. > > Toyota, Montoya, Erin Crocker and Bill Lester.... None of which belong > anywhere near any Nascar vehicle. > > I want to see fights on the backstretch and cussing at each other after a > wreck. Racing is emotion and Nascar has effectively killed any/all > emotion. > > And to top it all off we get to watch an endless cycle of bad commercials. > Literally more commercials than racing. Then come back from commercial > for yet another caution due to a self spin or roll bar pad. How many > tracks the past couple years have broken their long held caution records? > > Nepotism rarely works and Nascar is yet more proof of the failed concept.. > > > Mitch > > >

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote\\\ > > I'm not really surprised. Me neither!

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> I never said I hated anyone.. 2+2=73 in your world eh?. I was talking > about the ratings and that was just a suggestion as to why they are down. I > said none had any racing skill didnt I? How that turned into anything else > is YOUR fucked up revisionist history. If youre so dumb that you can > somehow twist that into racism then you need help I cannot give you. > Sheeesh what a sadass dickhead you are. I think more "training" is in > order. Im not sure if that is the answer to your lack of reading > comprehension but go for it loser. > > Of course my name is Mitch, I have nothing to hide from unlike someone that > calls herself "Lawman" LOL.... > > BTW ..|.. u ASSHOLE > > 10-4 Over and out.... > > > "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > Enjoy the weekend, Archie! > > >

Mitch, you're a twat.