N2003 Damage

You can hit the wall at 15 mph and do enough damage to increase the drag on the car a tiny but noticeable amount while triggering the 'repair damage' option in the F9 screen. Also I hit the wall at 130 at Talladega and while the exterior damage seemed minor I did enough internal damage that the car had a hard time cracking 150mph driving back to the pits. Very nice, and it seems that the promises of a damage system that is "similar to N2002 but much more sensitive" are true. For an 80% build I'm really impressed. A few things to complain about actually, but I'm holding off until I have the final version. I'm not sure how the driving is with force feedback, but without it I'm finding myself losing the car when I really try to push it at Michigan, which is nice. Seems like there's more grip when the tires are heated and the wings/tires are oriented correctly in terms of shouldering the weight of the car, but if you get out of the groove and continue pushing hard the car wants to turn around faster than before. The AI seems improved but who cares, I think I may be playing this one online a bit more than the last 2, purely on the strength of the new damage model.. =) Jason

Try it with FF and either the fast or Jasper setup. Hang on to that wheel! There is even more of a pull than before, but once you get used to it you can almost just shift your hands to a comfortable position with the wheel cocked to the right and leave it there, steering entirely with your right foot. Interesting. What lap times are you getting at Michigan in a test session? Best I could manage in the 15 minutes or so that I had available was 39.4 sec. That's about 2 sec off the lap record, but I would think the lap record was probably set in the draft, so I don't know if my time is good for a test session or not. "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I'm not > sure how the driving is with force feedback, but without it I'm > finding myself losing the car when I really try to push it at > Michigan, which is nice.

"Haqsau" What lap times are you

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> getting at Michigan in a test session? Best I could manage in the 15 > minutes or so that I had available was 39.4 sec. That's about 2 sec > off the lap record, but I would think the lap record was probably set > in the draft, so I don't know if my time is good for a test session or > not. > >

Here's a blurb from last year's qualifying, which is done with no drafting help.(from the racingups.com website) ---------- Nearly all the qualifying times improved from practice to qualifying. Jarrett, who was also the fastest car during the morning practice, picked up four-tenths of a second to post a qualifying lap of 38.081 seconds. -------- dave henrie

From the Michigan track.ini: record_lap_time = 37.667 record_holder = Dale Earnhardt, Jr. From my playrecs.ini in the '03 demo, after about 10-15 minutes of setup tweaking (can't bear the Jasper setup; way too pushy): BestLap_Sim_CUP_Race_Laptime=37.504000 (Done in a race but not a close draft; I ran some high 37's alone in practice.) Looks a bit generous in this build, and indeed the track.ini surface and tire parameters in '03 are quite different than in '02. But the nominal grip number's actually lower at Michigan than it was in '02. Some seriously different tires in this beta! SB "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Haqsau" > What lap times are you > > getting at Michigan in a test session? Best I could manage in the 15 > > minutes or so that I had available was 39.4 sec. That's about 2 sec > > off the lap record, but I would think the lap record was probably set > > in the draft, so I don't know if my time is good for a test session or > > not. > > > > > Here's a blurb from last year's qualifying, which is done with no > drafting help.(from the racingups.com website) > > ---------- > Nearly all the qualifying times improved from practice to qualifying. > Jarrett, who was also the fastest car during the morning practice, picked > up four-tenths of a second to post a qualifying lap of 38.081 seconds. > -------- > > dave henrie

After about 20 laps in a test session I was into the low & mid 38's with the stock "fast" setup (which I think needs some serious help). I didn't follow the racing line. Just give it some time, Haqsau. I'm kind of anxious to play with this a little more, but not until after Thursday's GPL race :-) -- Slot Tweaks & Reviews www.slottweak.com > What lap times are you getting at Michigan in a test > session? Best I could manage in the 15 minutes or so that I had available > was 39.4 sec.

I was going to bring this up... The annoyance factor of the Pull has increased in N2003. We all know why it happens. I have no argument with that. But it seems to be _fighting_ with the force-feedback now. It did not do this in NR2002. In NR2002 the pull was there, and the wheel was off-center, but it didn't fight with the FF of the wheel like it does now. I still say not all controllers are alike, and we deserve a Trim Tab :) Larry "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b0l4ff$qt0r7$[email hidden]... > Try it with FF and either the fast or Jasper setup. Hang on to thatwheel! > There is even more of a pull than before, but once you get used to it you > can almost just shift your hands to a comfortable position with the wheel > cocked to the right and leave it there, steering entirely with your right > foot. Interesting. What lap times are you getting at Michigan in a test > session? Best I could manage in the 15 minutes or so that I had available > was 39.4 sec. That's about 2 sec off the lap record, but I would thinkthe > lap record was probably set in the draft, so I don't know if my time isgood > for a test session or not.

As far as damage goes, does anyone know if the damage model will be simplified in multiplayer like in 2002 ? I thought that was everyone's main problem with it.

Most likely a function of the new tire model, and you can make it less annoying by simply holding the wheel a bit left of center when you calibrate it. I won't tell... ;-) SB (don't forget to reset it for roadies, of course!) "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bZAX9.52831$[email hidden]... > I was going to bring this up... > > The annoyance factor of the Pull has increased in N2003. > > We all know why it happens. I have no argument with that. But it seemsto

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> be _fighting_ with the force-feedback now. It did not do this in NR2002. > In NR2002 the pull was there, and the wheel was off-center, but it didn't > fight with the FF of the wheel like it does now. > > I still say not all controllers are alike, and we deserve a Trim Tab :) > > Larry > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:b0l4ff$qt0r7$[email hidden]... > > Try it with FF and either the fast or Jasper setup. Hang on to that > wheel! > > There is even more of a pull than before, but once you get used to it

you > > can almost just shift your hands to a comfortable position with thewheel > > cocked to the right and leave it there, steering entirely with yourright > > foot. Interesting. What lap times are you getting at Michigan in atest > > session? Best I could manage in the 15 minutes or so that I hadavailable

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> > was 39.4 sec. That's about 2 sec off the lap record, but I would think > the > > lap record was probably set in the draft, so I don't know if my time is > good > > for a test session or not. > >

> We all know why it happens. I have no argument with that. But it seemsto > be _fighting_ with the force-feedback now. It did not do this in NR2002. I know what you mean. I haven't spent much time on it yet, but it seemed worse at 'dega than michigan. Did you notice that? I thought it might just be the default setup. It also seemed to fight the FF more at the bottom of the track, like it would pull to the inside. Well, maybe I'm mistaken and just need more time on it. Changing the FF latency didn't help at all. -- Slot Tweaks & Reviews www.slottweak.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 1/10/2003

Yep. At dega, on the pace lap, you are in a banked left turn and you have to crank the wheel to the right and hold on to it to go in a straight line around the corner. It feels totally weird. Larry "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b0mvn0$q2t9d$[email hidden]... > > We all know why it happens. I have no argument with that. But it seems > to > > be _fighting_ with the force-feedback now. It did not do this inNR2002.

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> > I know what you mean. I haven't spent much time on it yet, but it seemed > worse at 'dega than michigan. Did you notice that? I thought it might just > be the default setup. It also seemed to fight the FF more at the bottom of > the track, like it would pull to the inside. Well, maybe I'm mistaken and > just need more time on it. Changing the FF latency didn't help at all. > > > -- > Slot > > Tweaks & Reviews > www.slottweak.com > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 1/10/2003 > >

I feel the same way Larry. In fact my entire NR6 FFB has left a sour taste in my mouth. Ive tried about every setting I could find but each feels ways off. GTR2002 feels very nice with FFB but Nr6 feels like the thing is exactly backwards.. Mitch "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bZAX9.52831$[email hidden]... > I was going to bring this up... > > The annoyance factor of the Pull has increased in N2003. > > We all know why it happens. I have no argument with that. But it seemsto

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> be _fighting_ with the force-feedback now. It did not do this in NR2002. > In NR2002 the pull was there, and the wheel was off-center, but it didn't > fight with the FF of the wheel like it does now. > > I still say not all controllers are alike, and we deserve a Trim Tab :) > > Larry > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:b0l4ff$qt0r7$[email hidden]... > > Try it with FF and either the fast or Jasper setup. Hang on to that > wheel! > > There is even more of a pull than before, but once you get used to it

you > > can almost just shift your hands to a comfortable position with thewheel > > cocked to the right and leave it there, steering entirely with yourright > > foot. Interesting. What lap times are you getting at Michigan in atest > > session? Best I could manage in the 15 minutes or so that I hadavailable

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> > was 39.4 sec. That's about 2 sec off the lap record, but I would think > the > > lap record was probably set in the draft, so I don't know if my time is > good > > for a test session or not. > >

On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 03:18:53 GMT, [email hidden] (Jason Moyer) wrote: [snip] Something else I just noticed that may be worth testing. It looks like they may have attempted to fix the black flag that came out if you crashed into the pits. Kinda tough to test but I just slid through the pits sideways during an incident and didn't receive a penalty even though I was spinning at 100mph through the entrance to the pits. Jason

On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 03:18:53 GMT, [email hidden] (Jason Moyer) wrote: [snip] Another damage observation: Hit the wall at about 100 at tally, had to have the hood ripped off and some engine work done, couldn't top 145 even in a draft aftwerwards. Fooking yay. Jason

In article <bZAX9.52831$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >We all know why it happens. I have no argument with that. But it seems to >be _fighting_ with the force-feedback now. It did not do this in NR2002. >In NR2002 the pull was there, and the wheel was off-center, but it didn't >fight with the FF of the wheel like it does now. Ha...ha! Now you get to fight with it like us non-FF equipped drivers do...<g> >I still say not all controllers are alike, and we deserve a Trim Tab :) Well...I wonder how that would screw up the driving model if you had to take evasive action? Now you wouldn't be able to turn the wheel fully to one side, and have the same effect on the car. Of course, there's no real way to test it, but I'm curious... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <bZAX9.52831$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >We all know why it happens. I have no argument with that. But it seemsto > >be _fighting_ with the force-feedback now. It did not do this in NR2002. > >In NR2002 the pull was there, and the wheel was off-center, but it didn't > >fight with the FF of the wheel like it does now. > > Ha...ha! Now you get to fight with it like us non-FF equipped driversdo...<g> > > > >I still say not all controllers are alike, and we deserve a Trim Tab :) > > Well...I wonder how that would screw up the driving model if you had totake > evasive action? Now you wouldn't be able to turn the wheel fully to oneside, > and have the same effect on the car. > Of course, there's no real way to test it, but I'm curious... > > Eldred Eldred, All you have to do with a non-ff wheel to reduce the offset on ovals is to hold it slightly left of center at the last stage of the calibration routine in the game. How far left is down to trial and error; and preference, of course. But it works fine and causes no problems. It'll work in FF wheels too, but the pull will still be felt. You can do this for pedal travel too in Papy sims; set the max travel and tip-in points to your heart's desire during in-game calibration by either not fully compressing the pedals and/or holding them down a bit at the end to set the minimum. It doesn't affect other games at all; you just have to remember to re-center your wheel before doing road courses! Have fun, SB

It never screwed up Heat :) It can be done. They just won't do it for some reason. Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <bZAX9.52831$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >We all know why it happens. I have no argument with that. But it seemsto > >be _fighting_ with the force-feedback now. It did not do this in NR2002. > >In NR2002 the pull was there, and the wheel was off-center, but it didn't > >fight with the FF of the wheel like it does now. > > Ha...ha! Now you get to fight with it like us non-FF equipped driversdo...<g> > > > >I still say not all controllers are alike, and we deserve a Trim Tab :) > > Well...I wonder how that would screw up the driving model if you had totake > evasive action? Now you wouldn't be able to turn the wheel fully to oneside,

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> and have the same effect on the car. > Of course, there's no real way to test it, but I'm curious... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-0.381 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Eldred, > >All you have to do with a non-ff wheel to reduce the offset on ovals is to >hold it slightly left of center at the last stage of the calibration routine >in the game. How far left is down to trial and error; and preference, of >course. But it works fine and causes no problems. It'll work in FF wheels >too, but the pull will still be felt. You can do this for pedal travel too >in Papy sims; set the max travel and tip-in points to your heart's desire >during in-game calibration by either not fully compressing the pedals and/or >holding them down a bit at the end to set the minimum. It doesn't affect >other games at all; you just have to remember to re-center your wheel before >doing road courses! > >Have fun,

I tried that before, and could never find the right spot. I also drive other sims, and didn't feel like having to re-cal every time I started a game. I decided it would be easier to just deal with it... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.