Anyone Simming with an o'clocked Radeon 9500?

Over on the ATI newsgroup, I've read that it's possible to overclock a Radeon 9500, so that it performs like a 9700. The procedure seems fairly easy too. (Apparently, it's done in software....) I'm curious whether any Racing simmers have tried this, how successful you were, and what kind of performance boost it provides in sims like NR2002, NR2003 demo, and GTR2002. Has anyone tried this? If so, please include prior and present system specs so that I can assess the potential benefit on my system. Thanks!

Over on the ATI newsgroup, I've read that it's possible to overclock a Radeon 9500, so that it performs like a 9700. The procedure seems fairly easy too. (Apparently, it's done in software....) I'm curious whether any Racing simmers have tried this, how successful you were, and what kind of performance boost it provides in sims like NR2002, NR2003 demo, and GTR2002. Has anyone tried this? If so, please include prior and present system specs so that I can assess the potential benefit on my system. Thanks!

Remember the success rate is 40-50% or so. If you can live with the stock unit's performance anyway, the potential free upgrade is a nice bonus. Another option is to buy the 9700 128mb non-pro for $60 more and replace the bios with the pro bios, still a good savings over the pro. rms [email hidden]

Thanks, Roger. I've read that the success rate is a bit better than that though - more like 65-70%. I'd be curious to hear how the card performs in racing sims (specifically GPL, GTR2002 and the Nascar sims) even in it's "stock" form. Given the same CPU (in my case an Athlon 1700XP), what kind of performance increase can be expected over a Radeon 8500LE? I seem to recall reading that the 9700 (and I assume this would also apply to the 9500) originally had some problems running GPL. If so, has that been resolved? Roger Squires wrote:

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> Remember the success rate is 40-50% or so. If you can live with the stock > unit's performance anyway, the potential free upgrade is a nice bonus. > Another option is to buy the 9700 128mb non-pro for $60 more and replace the > bios with the pro bios, still a good savings over the pro. > > rms > [email hidden]

Thanks, Roger. I've read that the success rate is a bit better than that though - more like 65-70%. I'd be curious to hear how the card performs in racing sims (specifically GPL, GTR2002 and the Nascar sims) even in it's "stock" form. Given the same CPU (in my case an Athlon 1700XP), what kind of performance increase can be expected over a Radeon 8500LE? I seem to recall reading that the 9700 (and I assume this would also apply to the 9500) originally had some problems running GPL. If so, has that been resolved? > Remember the success rate is 40-50% or so. If you can live with the stock > unit's performance anyway, the potential free upgrade is a nice bonus. > Another option is to buy the 9700 128mb non-pro for $60 more and replace the > bios with the pro bios, still a good savings over the pro. > rms

the 9500 is on par with a 4600, and even a bit faster -- Kevin "BRH @attbi.com>" <"bertrh<no-spam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Thanks, Roger. I've read that the success rate is a bit better than that though - more like 65-70%. I'd be curious to hear how the card performs in racing sims (specifically GPL, GTR2002 and the Nascar sims) even in it's "stock" form. Given the same CPU (in my case an Athlon 1700XP), what kind of performance increase can be expected over a Radeon 8500LE? I seem to recall reading that the 9700 (and I assume this would also apply to the 9500) originally had some problems running GPL. If so, has that been resolved? Roger Squires wrote: > Remember the success rate is 40-50% or so. If you can live with the stock > unit's performance anyway, the potential free upgrade is a nice bonus. > Another option is to buy the 9700 128mb non-pro for $60 more and replace the > bios with the pro bios, still a good savings over the pro. > > rms > [email hidden]

BRH <"bertrh<no-spam>"@attbi.com> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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> Thanks, Roger. I've read that the success rate is a bit better than > that though - more like 65-70%. I'd be curious to hear how the card > performs in racing sims (specifically GPL, GTR2002 and the Nascar > sims) even in it's "stock" form. Given the same CPU (in my case an > Athlon 1700XP), what kind of performance increase can be expected over > a Radeon 8500LE? > > I seem to recall reading that the 9700 (and I assume this would also > apply to the 9500) originally had some problems running GPL. If so, > has that been resolved? > > > > Roger Squires wrote: > >> Remember the success rate is 40-50% or so. If you can live with the >> stock unit's performance anyway, the potential free upgrade is a nice >> bonus. Another option is to buy the 9700 128mb non-pro for $60 more >> and replace the bios with the pro bios, still a good savings over the >> pro. >> >> rms >> [email hidden] >

I don't think they had problems running gpl, but rather, it could not use FSAA with GPL since the original release only support 32bit fsaa. I believe that oversight/design choice, was rectified with the release of the 3.0 Catalyst drivers. Am I correct Ati'ers...can the 9500/9700's run 16 bit fsaa now? dave henrie

>problems running GPL There is some menu corruption (9700pro, Cat3.0A, D3D, XP), but nothing that affects racing. The FSAA looks nice too. rms [email hidden]

Thanks for the info, guys. Roger Squires wrote:

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> >problems running GPL > > There is some menu corruption (9700pro, Cat3.0A, D3D, XP), but nothing > that affects racing. The FSAA looks nice too. > > rms > [email hidden]

Thanks for the info, guys. > >problems running GPL > There is some menu corruption (9700pro, Cat3.0A, D3D, XP), but nothing > that affects racing. The FSAA looks nice too. > rms

On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:59:43 GMT, "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>>problems running GPL > > There is some menu corruption (9700pro, Cat3.0A, D3D, XP), but nothing >that affects racing. The FSAA looks nice too. > >rms >[email hidden] >

I had menu corruption ever since a video on MB was installed Now have installed 9500 Pro. Same menu corruption, but runs GPL and GTR magnificently. P4 2.2 G. Triangle rate is 49.7 Mtri/sec. SPS

OOOPS! Spoke too soon! Tried running a GT car, Lambo, and right away: broad bars across track blocking view Went back to slower class, no help, same thing, if I get that far. Now getting shimmering menus and total malfunction! Did I fry my 9500 Pro?? Still works fine in GPL. Never overclocked. Processor is 2.2G P4. No known heat issues. SPS

Samuel Senior <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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> OOOPS! Spoke too soon! Tried running a GT car, Lambo, and right away: > broad bars across track blocking view Went back to slower class, no > help, same thing, if I get that far. Now getting shimmering menus and > total malfunction! Did I fry my 9500 Pro?? Still works fine in GPL. > Never overclocked. Processor is 2.2G P4. No known heat issues. > SPS >

Some ATI users have said this is fixable. Make sure you have completely cleaned out your Nvidia drivers. Find any files beginning with NV*.* and use detonator destroyer if you can. Also try one of the regedit or regclean programs to further clean up your system. Once the old drivers are cleaned out, this problem "supposedly" goes away. dave henrie (btw...see what happens when you don't choose Vipers?) :>

On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 06:18:14 GMT, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Samuel Senior <[email hidden]> wrote in >news:[email hidden]: > >> OOOPS! Spoke too soon! Tried running a GT car, Lambo, and right away: >> broad bars across track blocking view Went back to slower class, no >> help, same thing, if I get that far. Now getting shimmering menus and >> total malfunction! Did I fry my 9500 Pro?? Still works fine in GPL. >> Never overclocked. Processor is 2.2G P4. No known heat issues. >> SPS >> > > Some ATI users have said this is fixable. Make sure you have completely >cleaned out your Nvidia drivers. Find any files beginning with NV*.* and >use detonator destroyer if you can. Also try one of the regedit or >regclean programs to further clean up your system. Once the old drivers >are cleaned out, this problem "supposedly" goes away. >dave henrie >(btw...see what happens when you don't choose Vipers?) >:>

Something else: I went back to check out GPL, and there are tiny, shimmering colored dots all over the sky on all tracks, and on the black base bar as well. Is that the same problem? I don't think I ever had any Nvidia stuff on this machine, but I'll search. SPS

Samuel Senior <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1spm3vci9aq7cfg

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>>:> > Something else: I went back to check out GPL, and there are tiny, > shimmering colored dots all over the sky on all tracks, and on the > black base bar as well. Is that the same problem? I don't think I ever > had any Nvidia stuff on this machine, but I'll search. > SPS >

I used to get that with my 3dfx cards when I overclocked them. Once I lowered the overclocking somewhat, it would not appear. dave henrie

On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 07:39:17 GMT, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Samuel Senior <[email hidden]> wrote in >news:1spm3vci9aq7cfg >>>:> >> Something else: I went back to check out GPL, and there are tiny, >> shimmering colored dots all over the sky on all tracks, and on the >> black base bar as well. Is that the same problem? I don't think I ever >> had any Nvidia stuff on this machine, but I'll search. >> SPS >> > > I used to get that with my 3dfx cards when I overclocked them. Once I >lowered the overclocking somewhat, it would not appear. >dave henrie

9500 Pro continued to deteriorate after couple more hours use. Colored ghost shadows over all screens and tiny colored dots increased. We had retained the 8 drivers and not installed the 9 drivers. Is that a mistake? Pulled case to see if card fan running OK, it was. Removed card and powered old motherboard video. All anomalies went away, but now no accleration. Ideas, anyone? SPS

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> 9500 Pro continued to deteriorate after couple more hours use. Colored > ghost shadows over all screens and tiny colored dots increased. We had > retained the 8 drivers and not installed the 9 drivers. Is that a > mistake? Pulled case to see if card fan running OK, it was. Removed > card and powered old motherboard video. All anomalies went away, but > now no accleration. Ideas, anyone? SPS >

That doesn't sound good. I hope you haven't overcooked the video chip. try updating your Catalyst drivers to version 3.0 and I don't think it matters if you have dx8 or dx9 installed. dave henrie