Force Feedback Wheels

I currently have a Microsoft Precision Racing Wheel and I would like to "upgrade" to a Force Feedback wheel. Although the MS wheel has been good, I am not a real fan of Microsoft in general and would rather not give them any more money than necessary. :) Having said that, I have been looking at the archives in Google and various web sites, and have pretty much narrowed things down to the Logitech MOMO Racing or the Logitech MOMO Force. This will be used almost exclusively for GTR 2002, so I kind of like the idea of the shifter on the Racing version. Are there any GT class cars that use paddle shifters? Are they even legal? It sounds as if the biggest complaint about the Force wheel is the pedals, but it also appears that I could use my MS pedals if I understand this web site correctly. http://www.tytlandsvik.no/momo/ What are the opinions of these two wheels? I saw a lot of comparison to other wheels, but not much against each other. Thanks, Kent -- Replace dev.null with pobox.com to reply

"Kent R. Frazier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I currently have a Microsoft Precision Racing Wheel and I would like to > "upgrade" to a Force Feedback wheel. Although the MS wheel has been > good, I am not a real fan of Microsoft in general and would rather not > give them any more money than necessary. :) > > Having said that, I have been looking at the archives in Google and > various web sites, and have pretty much narrowed things down to the > Logitech MOMO Racing or the Logitech MOMO Force. > > This will be used almost exclusively for GTR 2002, so I kind of like the > idea of the shifter on the Racing version. Are there any GT class cars > that use paddle shifters? Are they even legal? > > It sounds as if the biggest complaint about the Force wheel is the > pedals, but it also appears that I could use my MS pedals if I > understand this web site correctly. http://www.tytlandsvik.no/momo/ > > What are the opinions of these two wheels? I saw a lot of comparison to > other wheels, but not much against each other. > >

Ask and you shall receive (MOMO comparison) :0) <http://www.athlonxp.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Diner_Wrapper&file=inde x&req=ShowFile&file_wrap=html/reviews_momo_wheels.html> I own the MOMO Force (Leather wrapped/paddles only) and I've seen the MOMO Racing in stores and played around with it a bit (feels much cheaper which it should). I also own the old red LWFF which is a great wheel (still works fine) but not the same as a MOMO which has more precise control and just seems "tighter". The MOMO Force has a better feel, higher build quality and seems more robust than the MOMO Racing. It should since it originally retailed for $199 US (street price $140-180), while the Racing is $99 (street of $69 on sale). I've heard good things about the MOMO Racing as a value alternative. If price is not the issue, the Force is a better made wheel and performs wonderfully for me. I'd rank the Logitech wheels as follows: 1) MOMO Force 2) LWFF 3) MOMO Racing Now if I can only get some Speed7 pedals I'd be set. -- Joe M.

I just bought a MOMO Racing after my MSFF (gameport version) died. I am VERY happy with it; no complaints what so ever. The wheel feels solid, comfortable grip, well placed paddles buttons etc, easy to mount a breeze to install. I like the feel of the brake pedal (firmer and more like a real pedal feel than my old MS). I bought the MOMO Racing, and put the extra cash towards a Force RS Shifter. I hacked up my old MS pedals and rewired them with the RS Shifter to my gameport. Now I have a clutch, and an H-pattern shifter, a sequential shifter and paddles. "Kent R. Frazier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I currently have a Microsoft Precision Racing Wheel and I would like to > "upgrade" to a Force Feedback wheel. Although the MS wheel has been > good, I am not a real fan of Microsoft in general and would rather not > give them any more money than necessary. :) > > Having said that, I have been looking at the archives in Google and > various web sites, and have pretty much narrowed things down to the > Logitech MOMO Racing or the Logitech MOMO Force. > > This will be used almost exclusively for GTR 2002, so I kind of like the > idea of the shifter on the Racing version. Are there any GT class cars > that use paddle shifters? Are they even legal? > > It sounds as if the biggest complaint about the Force wheel is the > pedals, but it also appears that I could use my MS pedals if I > understand this web site correctly. http://www.tytlandsvik.no/momo/ > > What are the opinions of these two wheels? I saw a lot of comparison to > other wheels, but not much against each other. > > Thanks, > > Kent > -- > Replace dev.null with pobox.com to reply >

Thanks Joe, Google gave me a broken link to that article for some reason. Joe M. wrote:

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> "Kent R. Frazier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > >>I currently have a Microsoft Precision Racing Wheel and I would like to >>"upgrade" to a Force Feedback wheel. Although the MS wheel has been >>good, I am not a real fan of Microsoft in general and would rather not >>give them any more money than necessary. :) >> >>Having said that, I have been looking at the archives in Google and >>various web sites, and have pretty much narrowed things down to the >>Logitech MOMO Racing or the Logitech MOMO Force. >> >>This will be used almost exclusively for GTR 2002, so I kind of like the >> idea of the shifter on the Racing version. Are there any GT class cars >>that use paddle shifters? Are they even legal? >> >>It sounds as if the biggest complaint about the Force wheel is the >>pedals, but it also appears that I could use my MS pedals if I >>understand this web site correctly. http://www.tytlandsvik.no/momo/ >> >>What are the opinions of these two wheels? I saw a lot of comparison to >>other wheels, but not much against each other. >> >> > > > Ask and you shall receive (MOMO comparison) :0) > > <http://www.athlonxp.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Diner_Wrapper&file=inde > x&req=ShowFile&file_wrap=html/reviews_momo_wheels.html> > > I own the MOMO Force (Leather wrapped/paddles only) and I've seen the MOMO > Racing in stores and played around with it a bit (feels much cheaper which > it should). I also own the old red LWFF which is a great wheel (still works > fine) but not the same as a MOMO which has more precise control and just > seems "tighter". > > The MOMO Force has a better feel, higher build quality and seems more robust > than the MOMO Racing. It should since it originally retailed for $199 US > (street price $140-180), while the Racing is $99 (street of $69 on sale). > I've heard good things about the MOMO Racing as a value alternative. If > price is not the issue, the Force is a better made wheel and performs > wonderfully for me. > > I'd rank the Logitech wheels as follows: > > 1) MOMO Force > 2) LWFF > 3) MOMO Racing > > Now if I can only get some Speed7 pedals I'd be set. > > -- > Joe M. > > >

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The Ferrari 360's use the F1 style paddle shifters...but unfortunately the F12002 engine doesn't let us use one form of shifter for one car and another for all the rest :( P.S., I am incredibly picky about wheels, and love my MOMO Racing. I would buy 2 of them instead of one old MOMO. The quality of the FFB and feel is almost identical. I can live without the real leather and refuse to buy a wheel without at least a sequential gearshift. The MOMO racing also looks better sans that horrid red plastic. The pedals on the old MOMO suck. Lastly, the MOMO Racing shifter can be mounted on either side of the wheel, so if you are a right-hand driver, you can still be comfortable. Marc > This will be used almost exclusively for GTR 2002, so I kind of like the > idea of the shifter on the Racing version. Are there any GT class cars > that use paddle shifters? Are they even legal? >

"Kent R. Frazier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Thanks Joe, > > Google gave me a broken link to that article for some reason. It's there. You just have to copy and paste the second line of the url to the browsers address bar. http://www.athlonxp.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Diner_Wrapper&file=inde x&req=ShowFile&file_wrap=html/reviews_momo_wheels.html > >>It sounds as if the biggest complaint about the Force wheel is the > >>pedals, but it also appears that I could use my MS pedals if I > >>understand this web site correctly. http://www.tytlandsvik.no/momo/ That is correct! Do you use a squash ball under your brake pedal? The Racing Force pedals seems to be better than the MS pedals (and old momo pedals). I can't tell if the MS with squash ball is just as good, but it's definitely better than without one! -- Jone Tytlandsvik http://tytlandsvik.no

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> "Kent R. Frazier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > >>Thanks Joe, >> >>Google gave me a broken link to that article for some reason. > > > It's there. You just have to copy and paste the second line of the url to > the browsers address bar.

Yes, I understand that on the post, what I meant was when I did a google search (prior to posting my question) the link for that article didn't work. I thought maybe the article had maybe been taken down or something.

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> > http://www.athlonxp.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Diner_Wrapper&file=inde > x&req=ShowFile&file_wrap=html/reviews_momo_wheels.html > > >>>>It sounds as if the biggest complaint about the Force wheel is the >>>>pedals, but it also appears that I could use my MS pedals if I >>>>understand this web site correctly. http://www.tytlandsvik.no/momo/ > > > That is correct! > Do you use a squash ball under your brake pedal? > The Racing Force pedals seems to be better than the MS pedals (and old momo > pedals). I can't tell if the MS with squash ball is just as good, but it's > definitely better than without one!

I don't use a squash ball, but I have heard about it being used with some pedals. I was going to do a search about this, but since you brought it up, how is this done? Thanks, Kent -- Replace dev.null with pobox.com to reply

"Kent R. Frazier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > pedals). I can't tell if the MS with squash ball is just as good, butit's > > definitely better than without one! > > I don't use a squash ball, but I have heard about it being used with > some pedals. I was going to do a search about this, but since you > brought it up, how is this done? > For the MS pedals you cut the ball in two, and put one half under the brake pedal just where the tiny rubber "pedal stop" is located. Press quite hard when you calibrate the brake in your sim. You will then lock the brakes only when you really step hard on the brake, and it's easy to brake hard without locking up. It's a must for GPL. I don't think the speed (hardness) of the ball is very important. For the momo pedals I think they put the whole ball inside the pedals base and remove the spring. Jone.

I just recently purchased the MOMO Force, and combined with my Speed 7 pedals, it is really a sweet setup. Prior to the MOMO I had been using an ECCI, and I'm feeling just as stable with the MOMO, with the added fun factor of force feedback. If you're located in the states, I bought my MOMO Force from a retailer listed on Price Watch for $102.00 delivered. CompUSA has the MOMO Racing for $69.99, after rebate that expires on 2/1/03. Bob "Kent R. Frazier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I currently have a Microsoft Precision Racing Wheel and I would like to > "upgrade" to a Force Feedback wheel. Although the MS wheel has been > good, I am not a real fan of Microsoft in general and would rather not > give them any more money than necessary. :) > > Having said that, I have been looking at the archives in Google and > various web sites, and have pretty much narrowed things down to the > Logitech MOMO Racing or the Logitech MOMO Force. > > This will be used almost exclusively for GTR 2002, so I kind of like the > idea of the shifter on the Racing version. Are there any GT class cars > that use paddle shifters? Are they even legal? > > It sounds as if the biggest complaint about the Force wheel is the > pedals, but it also appears that I could use my MS pedals if I > understand this web site correctly. http://www.tytlandsvik.no/momo/ > > What are the opinions of these two wheels? I saw a lot of comparison to > other wheels, but not much against each other. > > Thanks, > > Kent > -- > Replace dev.null with pobox.com to reply >

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> > "Kent R. Frazier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > pedals). I can't tell if the MS with squash ball is just as good, but > it's > > > definitely better than without one! > > > > I don't use a squash ball, but I have heard about it being used with > > some pedals. I was going to do a search about this, but since you > > brought it up, how is this done? > > > > For the MS pedals you cut the ball in two, and put one half under the

brake > pedal just where the tiny rubber "pedal stop" is located. Press quite hard > when you calibrate the brake in your sim. You will then lock the brakesonly > when you really step hard on the brake, and it's easy to brake hardwithout > locking up. It's a must for GPL. > I don't think the speed (hardness) of the ball is very important. > For the momo pedals I think they put the whole ball inside the pedals base > and remove the spring. I have the Thrustmaster Force Feedback Racing Wheel with the silver-colored steering-wheel and a Ferrari-Horse on it. Do some people use squash-balls for that system, too? > Jone. Thanks Stephan

"Bob G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YZc_9.15333$[email hidden]...

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> I just recently purchased the MOMO Force, and combined with my Speed 7 > pedals, it is really a sweet setup. Prior to the MOMO I had been using an > ECCI, and I'm feeling just as stable with the MOMO, with the added fun > factor of force feedback. > > If you're located in the states, I bought my MOMO Force from a retailer > listed on Price Watch for $102.00 delivered. CompUSA has the MOMO Racing > for $69.99, after rebate that expires on 2/1/03. >

(snip) Just curious but where did you find the rebate for the Momo wheel? I just checked CompUSA's web page under rebates but couldn't find it. Clicking on the price for the item usually shows the pricing info including rebates but it simply bounces me back to the $99.99 price page. Under their rebate page for manufacturer's there is no listing for Logitech. It almost looks as if this is an actual "sale" price with no MIR. Logitech doesn't show a current rebate for this wheel at their website either. -- callsignviper The truth is out there. You just have look in the right places and ask the right questions.

http://www.compusa.com/adproducts/html_ad/default.asp No need to thank me, I'm just doin' my job. : ) -- See ya in the pits, Dean I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how long it's been since I've forgotten anything. "callsignviper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:04l_9.28272$[email hidden]... > > "Bob G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:YZc_9.15333$[email hidden]... > > I just recently purchased the MOMO Force, and combined with my Speed 7 > > pedals, it is really a sweet setup. Prior to the MOMO I had been using an > > ECCI, and I'm feeling just as stable with the MOMO, with the added fun > > factor of force feedback. > > > > If you're located in the states, I bought my MOMO Force from a retailer > > listed on Price Watch for $102.00 delivered. CompUSA has the MOMO Racing > > for $69.99, after rebate that expires on 2/1/03. > > > > (snip) > > Just curious but where did you find the rebate for the Momo wheel? I just > checked CompUSA's web page under rebates but couldn't find it. Clicking on > the price for the item usually shows the pricing info including rebates but > it simply bounces me back to the $99.99 price page. Under their rebate page > for manufacturer's there is no listing for Logitech. It almost looks as if > this is an actual "sale" price with no MIR. Logitech doesn't show a current > rebate for this wheel at their website either. > > > -- > callsignviper > > The truth is out there. You just have look in the right places and ask the > right questions. > >

"Dean Purdy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Fsl_9.459320$[email hidden]...

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> http://www.compusa.com/adproducts/html_ad/default.asp > No need to thank me, I'm just doin' my job. : ) > > -- > See ya in the pits, > Dean >

(snip) Already tried that several times this week. It does NOT link to any rebate, only to the in-store ad page. Clicking on the Momo wheel on the ad page takes you to the Momo wheel page. Clicking on the price on the Momo wheel page simply dumps me back to the Momo wheel page with no hint of a rebate. Hence my original question! Same results when I go directly to that product's page on the CompUSA website. That's why I'm wondering if it's an actual sale without having to mess with a MIR. -- callsignviper The truth is out there. You just have look in the right places and ask the right questions.

My act labs force RS and performance pedals have served me well for years. GTR2002,GPL,Nascar2002, GP3, "Kent R. Frazier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I currently have a Microsoft Precision Racing Wheel and I would like to > "upgrade" to a Force Feedback wheel. Although the MS wheel has been > good, I am not a real fan of Microsoft in general and would rather not > give them any more money than necessary. :) > > Having said that, I have been looking at the archives in Google and > various web sites, and have pretty much narrowed things down to the > Logitech MOMO Racing or the Logitech MOMO Force. > > This will be used almost exclusively for GTR 2002, so I kind of like the > idea of the shifter on the Racing version. Are there any GT class cars > that use paddle shifters? Are they even legal? > > It sounds as if the biggest complaint about the Force wheel is the > pedals, but it also appears that I could use my MS pedals if I > understand this web site correctly. http://www.tytlandsvik.no/momo/ > > What are the opinions of these two wheels? I saw a lot of comparison to > other wheels, but not much against each other. > > Thanks, > > Kent > -- > Replace dev.null with pobox.com to reply >

If you took the time to read the top of the ad you'd see it says "Print this ad and bring it to your local store for these great specials." Your welcome. "callsignviper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1Sm_9.29753$[email hidden]...

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> > "Dean Purdy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Fsl_9.459320$[email hidden]... > > http://www.compusa.com/adproducts/html_ad/default.asp > > No need to thank me, I'm just doin' my job. : ) > > > > -- > > See ya in the pits, > > Dean > > > (snip) > > Already tried that several times this week. It does NOT link to any

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> only to the in-store ad page. Clicking on the Momo wheel on the ad page > takes you to the Momo wheel page. Clicking on the price on the Momo wheel > page simply dumps me back to the Momo wheel page with no hint of a rebate. > Hence my original question! > > Same results when I go directly to that product's page on the CompUSA > website. That's why I'm wondering if it's an actual sale without having to > mess with a MIR. > > -- > callsignviper > > The truth is out there. You just have look in the right places and ask the > right questions. > >

"Michael Basden" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DXm_9.517193$[email hidden]... > If you took the time to read the top of the ad you'd see it says "Printthis > ad and bring it to your local store for these great specials." >(snip) I DID read it, several times. I have a printed copy sitting next to me on my desk! Another poster mentioned this wheel has a MIR and I'm just trying get a clarification if it does or does not without wasting my time at CompUSA. The website ad normally links to any MIR's for the advertised product.....this time it does not. I'm trying to avoid the potential hassle of a MIR since *most* CompUSA advertised rebates go to TCA (non)Fulfillment Center in New Rochelle, New York. That company(?) has one of THE worst track records of delaying valid rebates and also has an unsatisfactory BBB rating. They have even been fined by the New York Sate Attorney General's Office and yet they haven't significantly changed their business practices for the better. callsignviper The truth is out there. You just have look in the right places and ask the right questions.

Not to worry, there is no rebate. I printed out the coupon and took it to CompUSA last night. $69.99. I haven't even gotten a chance to unpack and try out the wheel though... :) CL "callsignviper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:W0u_9.100132$_s4.43366@rwcrnsc54...

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> > "Michael Basden" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:DXm_9.517193$[email hidden]... > > If you took the time to read the top of the ad you'd see it says "Print > this > > ad and bring it to your local store for these great specials." > > > (snip) > > I DID read it, several times. I have a printed copy sitting next to me on

my > desk! > > Another poster mentioned this wheel has a MIR and I'm just trying get a > clarification if it does or does not without wasting my time at CompUSA.The

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> website ad normally links to any MIR's for the advertised product.....this > time it does not. > > I'm trying to avoid the potential hassle of a MIR since *most* CompUSA > advertised rebates go to TCA (non)Fulfillment Center in New Rochelle, New > York. > > That company(?) has one of THE worst track records of delaying valid

rebates > and also has an unsatisfactory BBB rating. They have even been fined bythe

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> New York Sate Attorney General's Office and yet they haven't significantly > changed their business practices for the better. > > > callsignviper > > The truth is out there. You just have look in the right places and ask the > right questions. > > > > >

Okay, I called CompUSA and was told by one of their reps that it's not a rebate, it is in fact an in store sale price. Go get 'em!! -- See ya in the pits, Dean I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how long it's been since I've forgotten anything. "callsignviper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:W0u_9.100132$_s4.43366@rwcrnsc54... > > "Michael Basden" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:DXm_9.517193$[email hidden]... > > If you took the time to read the top of the ad you'd see it says "Print > this > > ad and bring it to your local store for these great specials." > > > (snip) > > I DID read it, several times. I have a printed copy sitting next to me on my > desk! > > Another poster mentioned this wheel has a MIR and I'm just trying get a > clarification if it does or does not without wasting my time at CompUSA. The > website ad normally links to any MIR's for the advertised product.....this > time it does not. > > I'm trying to avoid the potential hassle of a MIR since *most* CompUSA > advertised rebates go to TCA (non)Fulfillment Center in New Rochelle, New > York. > > That company(?) has one of THE worst track records of delaying valid rebates > and also has an unsatisfactory BBB rating. They have even been fined by the > New York Sate Attorney General's Office and yet they haven't significantly > changed their business practices for the better. > > > callsignviper > > The truth is out there. You just have look in the right places and ask the > right questions. > > > > >

Oops. Forgot to mention that you need the coupon to get that price. Sorry for the confusion. -- See ya in the pits, Dean I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how long it's been since I've forgotten anything. "Dean Purdy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Trv_9.473574$[email hidden]... > Okay, I called CompUSA and was told by one of their reps that it's not a > rebate, it is in fact an in store sale price. Go get 'em!! > > -- > See ya in the pits, > Dean > > I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how > long it's been since I've forgotten anything. > > "callsignviper" <[email hidden]> wrote in > message news:W0u_9.100132$_s4.43366@rwcrnsc54... > > > > "Michael Basden" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:DXm_9.517193$[email hidden]... > > > If you took the time to read the top of the ad you'd see it says "Print > > this > > > ad and bring it to your local store for these great specials." > > > > > (snip) > > > > I DID read it, several times. I have a printed copy sitting next to me on > my > > desk! > > > > Another poster mentioned this wheel has a MIR and I'm just trying get a > > clarification if it does or does not without wasting my time at CompUSA. > The > > website ad normally links to any MIR's for the advertised product.....this > > time it does not. > > > > I'm trying to avoid the potential hassle of a MIR since *most* CompUSA > > advertised rebates go to TCA (non)Fulfillment Center in New Rochelle, New > > York. > > > > That company(?) has one of THE worst track records of delaying valid > rebates > > and also has an unsatisfactory BBB rating. They have even been fined by > the > > New York Sate Attorney General's Office and yet they haven't significantly > > changed their business practices for the better. > > > > > > callsignviper > > > > The truth is out there. You just have look in the right places and ask the > > right questions. > > > > > > > > > > > >

It's not a rebate. It's a special "Ad Only" sale. You have to print out the Ad and take it with you to the store. Think Coupon. Larry "callsignviper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:04l_9.28272$[email hidden]... > > "Bob G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:YZc_9.15333$[email hidden]... > > I just recently purchased the MOMO Force, and combined with my Speed 7 > > pedals, it is really a sweet setup. Prior to the MOMO I had been usingan > > ECCI, and I'm feeling just as stable with the MOMO, with the added fun > > factor of force feedback. > > > > If you're located in the states, I bought my MOMO Force from a retailer > > listed on Price Watch for $102.00 delivered. CompUSA has the MOMORacing

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> > for $69.99, after rebate that expires on 2/1/03. > > > > (snip) > > Just curious but where did you find the rebate for the Momo wheel? I just > checked CompUSA's web page under rebates but couldn't find it. Clicking on > the price for the item usually shows the pricing info including rebates

but > it simply bounces me back to the $99.99 price page. Under their rebatepage > for manufacturer's there is no listing for Logitech. It almost looks as if > this is an actual "sale" price with no MIR. Logitech doesn't show acurrent

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> rebate for this wheel at their website either. > > > -- > callsignviper > > The truth is out there. You just have look in the right places and ask the > right questions. > >

Take the print out to the store! Please! Larry "callsignviper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1Sm_9.29753$[email hidden]...

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> > "Dean Purdy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Fsl_9.459320$[email hidden]... > > http://www.compusa.com/adproducts/html_ad/default.asp > > No need to thank me, I'm just doin' my job. : ) > > > > -- > > See ya in the pits, > > Dean > > > (snip) > > Already tried that several times this week. It does NOT link to any

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> only to the in-store ad page. Clicking on the Momo wheel on the ad page > takes you to the Momo wheel page. Clicking on the price on the Momo wheel > page simply dumps me back to the Momo wheel page with no hint of a rebate. > Hence my original question! > > Same results when I go directly to that product's page on the CompUSA > website. That's why I'm wondering if it's an actual sale without having to > mess with a MIR. > > -- > callsignviper > > The truth is out there. You just have look in the right places and ask the > right questions. > >

Thanks to everyone who actually answered the question I was asking! To all others: I fully understand coupons and the need to print Comp(uke)USA's "unadvertised" specials. However, none of what you said about coupons, printing, or providing links came anywhere near to answering the relatively simple question I asked. The reason I asked about the MIR situation is I have 2 overdue rebates on products purchased at Comp(uke)USA. Neither the store or their corporate office seem to have any concern for their responsibility in getting these rebates fulfulled even though they advertised and provided the necessary forms! Based on that experience I would rather not deal with anymore Comp(uke)USA rebates. Now that I know that a MIR is NOT involved I can go to Circuit City and get a 110% price match and avoid Comp(uke)USA entirely. Thanks again to everyone who took the time to understand my question. I do appreciate the responses. -- callsignviper The truth is out there. You just have look in the right places and ask the right questions.