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Being a GPL newbie, I was wondering how competitive the default setups are? I have see the GPL rank you guys use and was wondering if the default setups will get an average person to the laptime goals at each track. My best at Monza with the default setup is 132.04, so I downloaded L. Grandis lap of 126.23 and thought there's no way I'm going to be able to do that with the default setup. So I was wondering what setups most people are using to get to the goal laptimes. Dan

"Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iuY_9.10218$[email hidden]... > Being a GPL newbie, I was wondering how competitive the default setupsare? > I have see the GPL rank you guys use and was wondering if the defaultsetups > will get an average person to the laptime goals at each track. > > My best at Monza with the default setup is 132.04, so I downloaded L. > Grandis lap of 126.23 and thought there's no way I'm going to be able todo > that with the default setup. So I was wondering what setups most peopleare > using to get to the goal laptimes. The default setups are okay as long as you adjust the fuel level, people have reportedly gone negative with them, although I never could ;-) Setups are very much down to personal preference, so don't just get setups from any old place, try a few different peoples' and find a driver whose setups suit your style. Alot of people like Alison Hine's setups, but alot prefer Greger Huttu's. There are loads of others around. I make my own. If you're going to compare laps, by all means look at the world records to see what can be achieved, but you will learn alot more by comparing your replays with someone only slightly faster, or the standard replays. Don't aim too high basically. Also, consistency is alot more important than overall speed. You may be able to do a 1:32, but can you run consistent 1:32's lap after lap? Practice, practice, practice. It's not easy but it can be done ;-) Malc.

"Dan Toloso" wrote... > Being a GPL newbie, I was wondering how competitive the > default setups are? I have see the GPL rank you guys > use and was wondering if the default setups will get an > average person to the laptime goals at each track. I don't know if it is possible to beat the benchmark at every track with the defaults, but one can go "negative" with them. That said, evidence suggests this course is the reserve of the very gifted (I couldn't get close if my life depended on it) and even then most of those got there using modified setups first. I think Malcolm Edeson did a set of laps with the defaults you might want to have a look at. You can download them here: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~epickett/gpl.html > My best at Monza with the default setup is 132.04, so I > downloaded L. Grandis lap of 126.23 and thought there's > no way I'm going to be able to do that with the default > setup. So I was wondering what setups most people are > using to get to the goal laptimes. Depends on the kind of driver you are... some people prefer to adapt the setup to their driving style, some use "friendly" setups (like Alison Hine's or Richard Nunnini's) and drive them hard, some download hotlapper setups (like Gregor Huttu's or Andreas Wilke's) and adapt their driving style to those. Depends on what you want to do. The hotlapper setups yield the quickest results, but, IMO, take a bit of the experience away. The important thing is to enjoy the game your way. Jan. =---

Thanks for your suggestions, I'll take them to heart. As you stated though, I'm looking to be consistent, not just a hot lapper. Monza for instance, my best is only 132, but I'm consistently under134, so I"m pretty happy with that consistency ( consistent for me anyway, that may not be very consistent for you :) ), but I'd like to be a little faster to reach those track goals. I'll start messing around with the setups or trying others as you suggested. Thanks for the help, Dan "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Z9Z_9.5608$9u5.444192@wards...

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> "Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:iuY_9.10218$[email hidden]... > > Being a GPL newbie, I was wondering how competitive the default setups > are? > > I have see the GPL rank you guys use and was wondering if the default > setups > > will get an average person to the laptime goals at each track. > > > > My best at Monza with the default setup is 132.04, so I downloaded L. > > Grandis lap of 126.23 and thought there's no way I'm going to be able to > do > > that with the default setup. So I was wondering what setups most people > are > > using to get to the goal laptimes. > > The default setups are okay as long as you adjust the fuel level, people > have reportedly gone negative with them, although I never could ;-) > > Setups are very much down to personal preference, so don't just get setups > from any old place, try a few different peoples' and find a driver whose > setups suit your style. Alot of people like Alison Hine's setups, but alot > prefer Greger Huttu's. There are loads of others around. I make my own. > > If you're going to compare laps, by all means look at the world records to > see what can be achieved, but you will learn alot more by comparing your > replays with someone only slightly faster, or the standard replays. Don't > aim too high basically. > > Also, consistency is alot more important than overall speed. You may be

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> to do a 1:32, but can you run consistent 1:32's lap after lap? > > Practice, practice, practice. It's not easy but it can be done ;-) > > Malc. > >

Thanks Jan. I'll check out those replays, and see if I can get any faster. Dan "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MiZ_9.24435$[email hidden]...

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> "Dan Toloso" wrote... > > Being a GPL newbie, I was wondering how competitive the > > default setups are? I have see the GPL rank you guys > > use and was wondering if the default setups will get an > > average person to the laptime goals at each track. > > I don't know if it is possible to beat the benchmark at every track with

the > defaults, but one can go "negative" with them. > > That said, evidence suggests this course is the reserve of the very gifted > (I couldn't get close if my life depended on it) and even then most ofthose

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> got there using modified setups first. I think Malcolm Edeson did a set of > laps with the defaults you might want to have a look at. You can download > them here: > > http://www-personal.umich.edu/~epickett/gpl.html > > > My best at Monza with the default setup is 132.04, so I > > downloaded L. Grandis lap of 126.23 and thought there's > > no way I'm going to be able to do that with the default > > setup. So I was wondering what setups most people are > > using to get to the goal laptimes. > > Depends on the kind of driver you are... some people prefer to adapt the > setup to their driving style, some use "friendly" setups (like Alison

Hine's > or Richard Nunnini's) and drive them hard, some download hotlapper setups > (like Gregor Huttu's or Andreas Wilke's) and adapt their driving style to > those. > > Depends on what you want to do. The hotlapper setups yield the quickest > results, but, IMO, take a bit of the experience away. The important thingis > to enjoy the game your way. > > Jan. > =--- > >

"Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote here on 01 Feb 2003:

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> Being a GPL newbie, I was wondering how competitive the default > setups are? I have see the GPL rank you guys use and was wondering > if the default setups will get an average person to the laptime > goals at each track. > > My best at Monza with the default setup is 132.04, so I downloaded > L. Grandis lap of 126.23 and thought there's no way I'm going to > be able to do that with the default setup. So I was wondering > what setups most people are using to get to the goal laptimes.

I like Roland Ehnstr�m's setups a lot: http://www.racesimcentral.com/downloads/gpl/other/roland.shtml They suit my oversteery (read, overdriving!) style, and his Ferrari setups for Silverstone and the Glen are just wonderful. I went from 1:30 to 1:28 at Silverstone and 1:07 to 1:05 at the Glen once I'd got these setups sorted. The best thing is that they work pretty well both for hotlapping and for racing, at least for an average driver like me (GPLRank -10). -- Above address *is* valid - but snip spamtrap to get me to *read*!

In addition to what others have said, it also depends on the vehicle. The defaults for the Lotus, Eagle, and Ferrari are pretty good, but the defaults for the others vary from inadequate to horrible. The Honda and Brabham in particular can be made a whole lot easier to drive if you set them up properly. Also there are simple tricks that you can do with the defaults that can take as much as a second or two off of your lap times. Try some of these things: 1) Take out fuel to the minimum that you need. You need about 3 laps worth for qualifying. Even short races require significantly less than the default amount of fuel, allowing you to save hundreds of pounds. 2) Most of the default setups have the bump rubbers way too high, causing you to hit them during normal handling maneuvers. Bump rubbers should only be hit when going over bumps or landing from a jump, never during cornering or braking. You need to have the bump rubbers be about 2 inches shorter than the ride height, more for the heavier cars or when carrying a lot of fuel. You can lower the bump rubbers to 0.5 inches using GPL Race Engineer from Alison Hine's site, otherwise you will have to raise the ride height to get the necessary clearance. 3) The tires in GPL seem to give the best grip when the temperature profile across the tread surface is absolutely flat, even if this means they are at a less than ideal temperature. So adjust the tire pressure and camber to give you flat temperature profiles. In most cases this will mean setting the tire pressure to about 20 psi cold and setting the camber assymetrically. 4) The brake bias is arbitrarily set a bit high, probably to reduce spinning for people who aren't used to the brakes. You can usually knock it back one of two clicks without difficulty, more if you are a very smooth braker. This will allow you to reduce your braking distance a bit and to brake deeper into the corner entry. Small difference in lap times, but not hard to do with practice. With a Lotus or an Eagle and those four tweaks to the defaults, I can run in the low 1:29's at Monza, less than half a second slower than my best. With the defaults unchanged except for fuel, the best I can do is about 1:30.5. Hope that helps. "Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iuY_9.10218$[email hidden]... > Being a GPL newbie, I was wondering how competitive the default setupsare? > I have see the GPL rank you guys use and was wondering if the defaultsetups > will get an average person to the laptime goals at each track. > > My best at Monza with the default setup is 132.04, so I downloaded L. > Grandis lap of 126.23 and thought there's no way I'm going to be able todo > that with the default setup. So I was wondering what setups most peopleare > using to get to the goal laptimes. > > Dan > >

Thanks for the setup tips Haqsau, I'll give them a try today. The only cars I seem to like are the Eagle and Lotus. I was pretty even with both of them, but then when I wanted to go a little faster I'd take the Eagle out and warm up with it, after I turned a couple of fast laps I'd switch to the Lotus and seem to be able to do a little better with it. But for the past week I've only been using the Lotus. "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In addition to what others have said, it also depends on the vehicle. The > defaults for the Lotus, Eagle, and Ferrari are pretty good, but thedefaults > for the others vary from inadequate to horrible. The Honda and Brabham in > particular can be made a whole lot easier to drive if you set them up > properly. > > Also there are simple tricks that you can do with the defaults that cantake > as much as a second or two off of your lap times. Try some of thesethings: > > 1) Take out fuel to the minimum that you need. You need about 3 lapsworth > for qualifying. Even short races require significantly less than the > default amount of fuel, allowing you to save hundreds of pounds. > > 2) Most of the default setups have the bump rubbers way too high, causing > you to hit them during normal handling maneuvers. Bump rubbers shouldonly > be hit when going over bumps or landing from a jump, never duringcornering > or braking. You need to have the bump rubbers be about 2 inches shorter > than the ride height, more for the heavier cars or when carrying a lot of > fuel. You can lower the bump rubbers to 0.5 inches using GPL RaceEngineer > from Alison Hine's site, otherwise you will have to raise the ride heightto > get the necessary clearance. > > 3) The tires in GPL seem to give the best grip when the temperatureprofile > across the tread surface is absolutely flat, even if this means they areat > a less than ideal temperature. So adjust the tire pressure and camber to > give you flat temperature profiles. In most cases this will mean setting > the tire pressure to about 20 psi cold and setting the camber > assymetrically. > > 4) The brake bias is arbitrarily set a bit high, probably to reducespinning > for people who aren't used to the brakes. You can usually knock it backone > of two clicks without difficulty, more if you are a very smooth braker. > This will allow you to reduce your braking distance a bit and to brake > deeper into the corner entry. Small difference in lap times, but not hard > to do with practice. > > With a Lotus or an Eagle and those four tweaks to the defaults, I can runin > the low 1:29's at Monza, less than half a second slower than my best.With

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> the defaults unchanged except for fuel, the best I can do is about 1:30.5. > Hope that helps. > > > > > "Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:iuY_9.10218$[email hidden]... > > Being a GPL newbie, I was wondering how competitive the default setups > are? > > I have see the GPL rank you guys use and was wondering if the default > setups > > will get an average person to the laptime goals at each track. > > > > My best at Monza with the default setup is 132.04, so I downloaded L. > > Grandis lap of 126.23 and thought there's no way I'm going to be able to > do > > that with the default setup. So I was wondering what setups most people > are > > using to get to the goal laptimes. > > > > Dan > > > > > > >

"Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sf9%9.10211$[email hidden]... > Thanks for the setup tips Haqsau, I'll give them a try today. > > The only cars I seem to like are the Eagle and Lotus. I was pretty evenwith > both of them, but then when I wanted to go a little faster I'd take the > Eagle out and warm up with it, after I turned a couple of fast laps I'd > switch to the Lotus and seem to be able to do a little better with it.But > for the past week I've only been using the Lotus. Everyone has their own preference, but one thing that helped me alot was to get a good time in a fast car like the Lotus, then try to match it in a slower car like the Cooper. Then go back to the Lotus & you'll suddenly be alot quicker. I still do this now ;-) The Lotus & Eagle have lots of low down torque. This means you can use more of the rev range, and it's easier to get off the line than, say the BRM or Honda, but it makes them harder to control through the corners, you're more likely to spin out. To match your Lotus times in a Cooper, you'll need to rely less on the power and more on the handling. When you go back to the Lotus you'll be able to use the power AND the handling. Malc.

In article <iuY_9.10218$[email hidden]>, "Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Being a GPL newbie, I was wondering how competitive the default setups are? >I have see the GPL rank you guys use and was wondering if the default setups >will get an average person to the laptime goals at each track. > >My best at Monza with the default setup is 132.04, so I downloaded L. >Grandis lap of 126.23 and thought there's no way I'm going to be able to do >that with the default setup. So I was wondering what setups most people are >using to get to the goal laptimes. >

The default setups are capable of beating the benchmark times on almost every track. Although different setups may feel better to different drivers, setup is not the main component to fast laptimes. Having said that, if a different setup helps you go faster, go for it!<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <MiZ_9.24435$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >Depends on the kind of driver you are... some people prefer to adapt the >setup to their driving style, some use "friendly" setups (like Alison Hine's >or Richard Nunnini's) and drive them hard, some download hotlapper setups >(like Gregor Huttu's or Andreas Wilke's) and adapt their driving style to >those. You consider Nunnini's setups to be "friendly"?!? Blech... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 02 Feb 2003 16:00:37 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >The default setups are capable of beating the benchmark times on almost every >track. Almost? =) Admittedly still a tad off neg at the ring/rouen, but I put that down to bad driving and not the default setups. Jason

On Sun, 02 Feb 2003 00:07:08 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >(like Gregor Huttu's or Andreas Wilke's) and adapt their driving style to >those. I really like Andy's setups if they're pussified a bit, because he's done a good job getting the chassis setup well for each individual circuit. I usually just take his setups, stick an 85/30/4, 60/30/1, or 60/60/1 into it and adjust the brake bias a bit so braking isn't quite as scary. Managed to finally break into the 1:28's at Monaco with little effort within a few laps of trying that. Jason

In article <iuY_9.10218$[email hidden]>, Dan Toloso <[email hidden]> writes >Being a GPL newbie, I was wondering how competitive the default setups >are? >I have see the GPL rank you guys use and was wondering if the default >setups >will get an average person to the laptime goals at each track. > It is possible. I even tried something similar a over a couple of years back when someone posted their laptimes using the defaults here on ras. Unfortunately I've long since thrown away those times, plus it was whilst using a joystick and I now use a wheel with which I'm not quite as proficient, so I doubt I could replicate it now. However, I was already reasonably fast anyway by that time. So as a test exercise it is possible, but you would have to be at a decent level, probably well under negative in the first place to contemplate attempting it. Your best bet at the moment is to find some setups that suit your driving style and allow you to stay on the track. With that will come experience and knowledge of the way the cars handle and how to get the best out of them. Once you can stay on the track with confidence then you can focus more on how to squeeze that extra bit of speed through each and every corner. It's can take many hours and hours of practice and it sounds like you are just taking your first tentative steps with this game so you are bound to struggle from time to time, but once things start to click there is also some small satisfaction when it all starts coming together.

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>My best at Monza with the default setup is 132.04, so I downloaded L. >Grandis lap of 126.23 and thought there's no way I'm going to be able to do >that with the default setup. So I was wondering what setups most people are >using to get to the goal laptimes. > >Dan > >

-- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

You're a GPL newbie and you're wondering how to get nearer to the record lap times??!! I'm still trying to get a lap time, any time will do, hell finishing a lap without going farming would be nice!!! I hate you, hate you, hate you!!!!!!!!!! ;-) "Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sf9%9.10211$[email hidden]... > Thanks for the setup tips Haqsau, I'll give them a try today. > > The only cars I seem to like are the Eagle and Lotus. I was pretty evenwith > both of them, but then when I wanted to go a little faster I'd take the > Eagle out and warm up with it, after I turned a couple of fast laps I'd > switch to the Lotus and seem to be able to do a little better with it.But > for the past week I've only been using the Lotus. > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In addition to what others have said, it also depends on the vehicle.The > > defaults for the Lotus, Eagle, and Ferrari are pretty good, but the > defaults > > for the others vary from inadequate to horrible. The Honda and Brabhamin

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> > particular can be made a whole lot easier to drive if you set them up > > properly. > > > > Also there are simple tricks that you can do with the defaults that can > take > > as much as a second or two off of your lap times. Try some of these > things: > > > > 1) Take out fuel to the minimum that you need. You need about 3 laps > worth > > for qualifying. Even short races require significantly less than the > > default amount of fuel, allowing you to save hundreds of pounds. > > > > 2) Most of the default setups have the bump rubbers way too high,

causing > > you to hit them during normal handling maneuvers. Bump rubbers should > only > > be hit when going over bumps or landing from a jump, never during > cornering > > or braking. You need to have the bump rubbers be about 2 inches shorter > > than the ride height, more for the heavier cars or when carrying a lotof > > fuel. You can lower the bump rubbers to 0.5 inches using GPL Race > Engineer > > from Alison Hine's site, otherwise you will have to raise the rideheight

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> to > > get the necessary clearance. > > > > 3) The tires in GPL seem to give the best grip when the temperature > profile > > across the tread surface is absolutely flat, even if this means they are > at > > a less than ideal temperature. So adjust the tire pressure and camber

to > > give you flat temperature profiles. In most cases this will meansetting

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> > the tire pressure to about 20 psi cold and setting the camber > > assymetrically. > > > > 4) The brake bias is arbitrarily set a bit high, probably to reduce > spinning > > for people who aren't used to the brakes. You can usually knock it back > one > > of two clicks without difficulty, more if you are a very smooth braker. > > This will allow you to reduce your braking distance a bit and to brake > > deeper into the corner entry. Small difference in lap times, but not

hard > > to do with practice. > > > > With a Lotus or an Eagle and those four tweaks to the defaults, I canrun > in > > the low 1:29's at Monza, less than half a second slower than my best. > With > > the defaults unchanged except for fuel, the best I can do is about1:30.5.

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> > Hope that helps. > > > > > > > > > > "Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:iuY_9.10218$[email hidden]... > > > Being a GPL newbie, I was wondering how competitive the default setups > > are? > > > I have see the GPL rank you guys use and was wondering if the default > > setups > > > will get an average person to the laptime goals at each track. > > > > > > My best at Monza with the default setup is 132.04, so I downloaded L. > > > Grandis lap of 126.23 and thought there's no way I'm going to be able

to > > do > > > that with the default setup. So I was wondering what setups mostpeople

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> > are > > > using to get to the goal laptimes. > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> You're a GPL newbie and you're wondering how to > get nearer to the record lap times??!! I'm still > trying to get a lap time, any time will do, hell > finishing a lap without going farming would be > nice!!! > > I hate you, hate you, hate you!!!!!!!!!! ;-)

In my experience, distribution of talent has never been fair. Jan. :-/ =---

To be perfectly honest, I've been running the papy Nascar sims from the begining, I'm just new to GPL :). So I do have some experience with race sims, but roadies have never been my strong suit. Although I do find this sim to be very fun, and for the first time, I find I'm able to stay on the track at a road course. I think the biggest thing helping me is I haven't found any chicanes like most tracks have now, those damn chicanes kick my butt :). Dan <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b1l2eb$bfj$[email hidden]... > You're a GPL newbie and you're wondering how to get nearer to the recordlap

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> times??!! I'm still trying to get a lap time, any time will do, hell > finishing a lap without going farming would be nice!!! > > I hate you, hate you, hate you!!!!!!!!!! ;-) > > "Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:sf9%9.10211$[email hidden]... > > Thanks for the setup tips Haqsau, I'll give them a try today. > > > > The only cars I seem to like are the Eagle and Lotus. I was pretty even > with > > both of them, but then when I wanted to go a little faster I'd take the > > Eagle out and warm up with it, after I turned a couple of fast laps I'd > > switch to the Lotus and seem to be able to do a little better with it. > But > > for the past week I've only been using the Lotus. > > > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In addition to what others have said, it also depends on the vehicle. > The > > > defaults for the Lotus, Eagle, and Ferrari are pretty good, but the > > defaults > > > for the others vary from inadequate to horrible. The Honda and

Brabham > in > > > particular can be made a whole lot easier to drive if you set them up > > > properly. > > > > > > Also there are simple tricks that you can do with the defaults thatcan

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> > take > > > as much as a second or two off of your lap times. Try some of these > > things: > > > > > > 1) Take out fuel to the minimum that you need. You need about 3 laps > > worth > > > for qualifying. Even short races require significantly less than the > > > default amount of fuel, allowing you to save hundreds of pounds. > > > > > > 2) Most of the default setups have the bump rubbers way too high, > causing > > > you to hit them during normal handling maneuvers. Bump rubbers should > > only > > > be hit when going over bumps or landing from a jump, never during > > cornering > > > or braking. You need to have the bump rubbers be about 2 inches

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> > > than the ride height, more for the heavier cars or when carrying a lot > of > > > fuel. You can lower the bump rubbers to 0.5 inches using GPL Race > > Engineer > > > from Alison Hine's site, otherwise you will have to raise the ride > height > > to > > > get the necessary clearance. > > > > > > 3) The tires in GPL seem to give the best grip when the temperature > > profile > > > across the tread surface is absolutely flat, even if this means they

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> > at > > > a less than ideal temperature. So adjust the tire pressure and camber > to > > > give you flat temperature profiles. In most cases this will mean > setting > > > the tire pressure to about 20 psi cold and setting the camber > > > assymetrically. > > > > > > 4) The brake bias is arbitrarily set a bit high, probably to reduce > > spinning > > > for people who aren't used to the brakes. You can usually knock it

back > > one > > > of two clicks without difficulty, more if you are a very smoothbraker.

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> > > This will allow you to reduce your braking distance a bit and to brake > > > deeper into the corner entry. Small difference in lap times, but not > hard > > > to do with practice. > > > > > > With a Lotus or an Eagle and those four tweaks to the defaults, I can > run > > in > > > the low 1:29's at Monza, less than half a second slower than my best. > > With > > > the defaults unchanged except for fuel, the best I can do is about > 1:30.5. > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:iuY_9.10218$[email hidden]... > > > > Being a GPL newbie, I was wondering how competitive the default

setups > > > are? > > > > I have see the GPL rank you guys use and was wondering if thedefault > > > setups > > > > will get an average person to the laptime goals at each track. > > > > > > > > My best at Monza with the default setup is 132.04, so I downloadedL. > > > > Grandis lap of 126.23 and thought there's no way I'm going to beable

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> to > > > do > > > > that with the default setup. So I was wondering what setups most > people > > > are > > > > using to get to the goal laptimes. > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I meant to ask you, was that 1:32 at Monza with a full tank of fuel? If so I think you are doing quite well. "Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:L%B%9.316$[email hidden]...

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> To be perfectly honest, I've been running the papy Nascar sims from the > begining, I'm just new to GPL :). So I do have some experience with race > sims, but roadies have never been my strong suit. Although I do find this > sim to be very fun, and for the first time, I find I'm able to stay on the > track at a road course. I think the biggest thing helping me is I haven't > found any chicanes like most tracks have now, those damn chicanes kick my > butt :). > > Dan > >

On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 22:25:47 GMT, "Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote: >those damn chicanes kick my >butt :). Ditto. In GTR/F12k2 I've never had much problem finding an ideal line through most corners within a few laps, but even after years of trying I still get absolutely annihilated in the chicanes (at least based on telemetry). Jason

Malc wrote: > The Lotus & Eagle have lots of low down torque. This means you can use more > of the rev range, and it's easier to get off the line than, say the BRM or > Honda, but it makes them harder to control through the corners, you're more > likely to spin out. (True, although (after trying just about all cars on Zandvoort today) I've found the Brabham is even more tricky in this department. It seems to wanna kick out the rear in every curve (handy in Monaco's hairpins though), feels indeed like a small F2 chassis with a heavy big sideways-swinging engine in the rear. After that, the Lotus (and Eagle) suddenly seemed a lot easier to handle... ) (Also i was surprised the Brabham seemed to have a rev limiter compared to the Eagle, it just wouldn't really rev up high, the powerband seemed narrow when it's the Braby's that's supposed to be broad.) > To match your Lotus times in a Cooper, you'll need to rely less on the power > and more on the handling. I couldn't get the Cooper anywhere near my Ferrari times, let alone the Lotus or Eagle's... Tried like heck to do this on Kyalami once, and I remember it was such hard work to go only two seconds slower, not more. Upping my PB was a lot easier, but I can't say I learned a lot going slow in the Cooper... only how hard the guys in less-stellar cars had to work back then ;) Dunno, maybe it's just too underpowered for me - had to take crazy risks in every single corner to even keep the faster cars in view. Regards, Ruud (mostly Eagle nowadays)

Yeah, a full tank of fuel. Thanks, I guess I should be glad that I'm only 2 seconds off the mark then, huh. I'm 3 seconds off at the Glen with a 110.040, so I guess I'll just keep practicing and hope to get faster. Thanks for all the tips. The dip/hill at Rouen is kicking my butt though, I spin it every time. Dan "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b1n3f8$14nisl$[email hidden]... > I meant to ask you, was that 1:32 at Monza with a full tank of fuel? Ifso

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> I think you are doing quite well. > > > "Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:L%B%9.316$[email hidden]... > > To be perfectly honest, I've been running the papy Nascar sims from the > > begining, I'm just new to GPL :). So I do have some experience with

race > > sims, but roadies have never been my strong suit. Although I do findthis > > sim to be very fun, and for the first time, I find I'm able to stay onthe > > track at a road course. I think the biggest thing helping me is Ihaven't > > found any chicanes like most tracks have now, those damn chicanes kickmy

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> Yeah, a full tank of fuel. Thanks, I guess I should be > glad that I'm only 2 seconds off the mark then, huh. > > I'm 3 seconds off at the Glen with a 110.040, so I > guess I'll just keep practicing and hope to get faster. > Thanks for all the tips. > > The dip/hill at Rouen is kicking my butt though, I spin > it every time.

Gotta get that one right... used to think otherwise, but there's a lot to be gained there (in the order of 0.5s). Brake-coast-brake through the downhill lefthander (shrub on the right is slightly too late as a brake marker if you came off six freres well) and make sure you enter the hairpin from the leftmost edge of the road, running a slightly wide constant radius line rather than a late apex one. That should do it. YMMV Jan. =---

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>Yeah, a full tank of fuel. Thanks, I guess I should be glad that I'm only 2 >seconds off the mark then, huh. > >I'm 3 seconds off at the Glen with a 110.040, so I guess I'll just keep >practicing and hope to get faster. Thanks for all the tips. > >The dip/hill at Rouen is kicking my butt though, I spin it every time. >

Which part is that? Just after the s/f line? If you're spinning there, then you're letting off the gas too much. At least apply some throttle after you've got your braking done. <snip> -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

> >those. > > You consider Nunnini's setups to be "friendly"?!? Blech... Better than Jan's understeering bitches :-) MS

> 1) Take out fuel to the minimum that you need. You need about 3 lapsworth > for qualifying. Even short races require significantly less than the > default amount of fuel, allowing you to save hundreds of pounds. Yep. At UK pump prices, you save more than that even <G> MS

I love the Brabham. I drive the Brabham a lot and can go as fast in it as I can in the Ferrari (though that admittedly isn't saying much). The trick is that the default Brabham setups have more sensitive steering and a higher ride frequency than the other cars, and it also has less weight on the rear wheels than any of the others. This is all due to its small size and light weight, not due to the numbers in the setup screen, which are quite similar to the other cars. You have to get used to setting it up and driving it a little differently than the others. It needs to have the steering ratio about one notch higher than the others in order to get about the same feel. And it needs to have the springs approximately equal from front to back in order to get the same feel as the other vehicles. 85 pound springs at both ends will give you about the same ride as the Lotus, Eagle, or Ferrari defaults, but for qualifying you can easily go down to 75 at both ends. Use one less clutch than the other light cars and get used to short shifting and being gentle with the throttle. It's worth the effort though because the small size of the Brabham allows it to put a larger radius, and thus higher speed, through any turn, and its slightly more even weight distribution allows you to keep it balanced and really power out of the corner once you get it hooked up. "Ruud Dingemans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b1noub$rv2$[email hidden]...

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> > (True, although (after trying just about all cars on Zandvoort today) > I've found the Brabham is even more tricky in this department. > > It seems to wanna kick out the rear in every curve (handy in Monaco's > hairpins though), feels indeed like a small F2 chassis with a heavy big > sideways-swinging engine in the rear. After that, the Lotus (and Eagle) > suddenly seemed a lot easier to handle... ) > > (Also i was surprised the Brabham seemed to have a rev limiter compared > to the Eagle, it just wouldn't really rev up high, the powerband seemed > narrow when it's the Braby's that's supposed to be broad.) > > > To match your Lotus times in a Cooper, you'll need to rely less on the

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> > and more on the handling. > > I couldn't get the Cooper anywhere near my Ferrari times, let alone the > Lotus or Eagle's... Tried like heck to do this on Kyalami once, and I > remember it was such hard work to go only two seconds slower, not more. > Upping my PB was a lot easier, but I can't say I learned a lot going > slow in the Cooper... only how hard the guys in less-stellar cars had to > work back then ;) > Dunno, maybe it's just too underpowered for me - had to take crazy risks > in every single corner to even keep the faster cars in view. > > Regards, Ruud (mostly Eagle nowadays) >

LOL! "mark.seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b1p5lj$j0s$[email hidden]...

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> > > 1) Take out fuel to the minimum that you need. You need about 3 laps > worth > > for qualifying. Even short races require significantly less than the > > default amount of fuel, allowing you to save hundreds of pounds. > > Yep. At UK pump prices, you save more than that even <G> > > MS > > >

In article <b1p5e2$bro$[email hidden]>, "mark.seery" <[email hidden]> writes: >> >those. >> >> You consider Nunnini's setups to be "friendly"?!? Blech... > >Better than Jan's understeering bitches :-) I don't think I've driven one of Jan's setups...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <b1l2eb$bfj$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] writes: >You're a GPL newbie and you're wondering how to get nearer to the record lap >times??!! I'm still trying to get a lap time, any time will do, hell >finishing a lap without going farming would be nice!!! Drive slower... :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Ives <[email hidden]> writes: >Which part is that? Just after the s/f line? If you're spinning there, >then you're letting off the gas too much. At least apply some throttle >after you've got your braking done. Throttle? For me, that's a recipe for lawn-mowing... -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>> >those. >> You consider Nunnini's setups to be "friendly"?!? Blech... >Better than Jan's understeering ***es :-) I don't think I've driven one of Jan's setups...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"mark.seery" wrote... > > You consider Nunnini's setups to be "friendly"?!? Blech... > > Better than Jan's understeering bitches :-) You and Orton are not to be trusted on the matter of vehicle balance... ;-)) Jan. =---

"EldredP" wrote... > I don't think I've driven one of Jan's setups...<g> You have (Eagle @ the Ring) and couldn't get to grips with it. I dare you to try one of Mark's!! ;-)) Jan. =---

For my taste: The 3-series is boring and the 5-series is undrivable. Hmmm..., what now? <g> JensSchumi On 02 Feb 2003 16:00:37 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <MiZ_9.24435$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>Depends on the kind of driver you are... some people prefer to adapt the >>setup to their driving style, some use "friendly" setups (like Alison Hine's >>or Richard Nunnini's) and drive them hard, some download hotlapper setups >>(like Gregor Huttu's or Andreas Wilke's) and adapt their driving style to >>those. > >You consider Nunnini's setups to be "friendly"?!? Blech... > >Eldred

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> ride frequency than the other cars, and it also has less weight on the rear > wheels than any of the others. This is all due to its small size and light > weight, not due to the numbers in the setup screen, which are quite similar > to the other cars. You have to get used to setting it up and driving it a > little differently than the others. It needs to have the steering ratio > about one notch higher than the others in order to get about the same feel. > And it needs to have the springs approximately equal from front to back in > order to get the same feel as the other vehicles. 85 pound springs at both > ends will give you about the same ride as the Lotus, Eagle, or Ferrari > defaults, but for qualifying you can easily go down to 75 at both ends. Use > one less clutch than the other light cars and get used to short shifting and > being gentle with the throttle. It's worth the effort though because the > small size of the Brabham allows it to put a larger radius, and thus higher > speed, through any turn, and its slightly more even weight distribution > allows you to keep it balanced and really power out of the corner once you > get it hooked up.

Thanks Haqs, I'll give that a try one of these days. If it works miracles for me & the Brab, you'll be sure to hear about it ;) Regards, Ruud

I tried the other tips you suggested and didn't see very much improvement, but that was probably just me. So, went back to the default setup and lowered the fuel to 10 gallons and was much more consistent. I ran a short 6 lap race and finished 5th, my highest finish yet, thanks again for the help. Dan Race 1 1:39.41 2 1:31.94 3 1:31.22 4 1:31.21 5 1:31.69 6 1:31.38 Finished 5th, 5.50 back from the Leader, Jim Clark. J. Surtees was hard to pass, very strong on the straights, not sure what type car that was, I'll have to check that out. "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b1n3f8$14nisl$[email hidden]... > I meant to ask you, was that 1:32 at Monza with a full tank of fuel? Ifso

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> I think you are doing quite well. > > > "Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:L%B%9.316$[email hidden]... > > To be perfectly honest, I've been running the papy Nascar sims from the > > begining, I'm just new to GPL :). So I do have some experience with

race > > sims, but roadies have never been my strong suit. Although I do findthis > > sim to be very fun, and for the first time, I find I'm able to stay onthe > > track at a road course. I think the biggest thing helping me is Ihaven't > > found any chicanes like most tracks have now, those damn chicanes kickmy

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> You and Orton are not to be trusted on the matter of vehicle balance...;-)) ROTFLOL MS

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> lowered the fuel to 10 gallons and was much more consistent. I ran a short > 6 lap race and finished 5th, my highest finish yet, thanks again for the > help. > 3 1:31.22 > 4 1:31.21 > Finished 5th, 5.50 back from the Leader, Jim Clark.

Hey, pretty nice going Dan. If you're new to GPL, these times aren't bad at all (I remember doing about 1:37s in the beginning before I more or less learnt how to drive ;) > J. Surtees was hard to pass, very strong on the straights, not sure what > type car that was, I'll have to check that out. That's the White Whale aka Honda ;) If it's in front of you, no problem, if it's in your mirrors near Parabolica, go ahead and panic under braking ;) Regards, Ruud

In article <aOY%9.31064$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >"EldredP" wrote... >> I don't think I've driven one of Jan's setups...<g> > >You have (Eagle @ the Ring) and couldn't get to grips with it. I dare you to >try one of Mark's!! ;-)) Um...no. I ran a full GP at the Ring yesterday(Masters of GPL). I lost count of how many times I spun, and most of them I have NO idea why I spun. I was using one of Alison's setups(Ferrari). Hell, if I can't even get a STABLE car around the track, I don't have *any* hope with a hotlapper setup. That was a frustrating race... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I'm not sure I would call Alison's setups stable. I know everybody thinks they are great, but I have never been able to drive them. I think that her typical choice of spring and bar rates is just too high. Softer springs = more forgiving. My favorite setups are still the ones where I started with the defaults and just did very minor tweaking from there. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Um...no. I ran a full GP at the Ring yesterday(Masters of GPL). I lostcount > of how many times I spun, and most of them I have NO idea why I spun. Iwas > using one of Alison's setups(Ferrari). Hell, if I can't even get a STABLEcar > around the track, I don't have *any* hope with a hotlapper setup. Thatwas a

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