Video card recomendations

I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of days and wanted to know what people think of my two choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with 128 megs of ddr ram. My main games of concern are of course GPL and Nascar 4 plus the Microsoft Combat flight sims (1,2 and 3) and i'm thinking of down the road is Racing Legends by the West brothers. I can't afford a Radeon 9700 Pro or a ti-4600 but would like to know which one of the other two people would pick because i'm stuck and my Voodoo 5 is getting real old. I still love the Voodoo 5 for GPL but i think it's about time too replace her. Thanks Everyone for any help. Steve!

i had the same question, in my new pc i go for the 9500 PRO because it has better fps by use of anti aliasing and anisotrofic filtering see toms hardware site for a test succes Ad > >I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of > >days and wanted to know what people think of my two > >choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro > >or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with > >128 megs of ddr ram.

Definitely the Pro; the non-Pro ATIs are the equivalent of nVidia's lame MX line. "Ad" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b1ir8a$glr$[email hidden]... > i had the same question, in my new pc i go for the 9500 PRO becauseit

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> has better fps by use of anti aliasing and anisotrofic filtering > see toms hardware site for a test > succes Ad > > >I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of > > >days and wanted to know what people think of my two > > >choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro > > >or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with > > >128 megs of ddr ram. > >

Just in case you didn't consider it the Ati Radeon 9500 128meg card uses the 9700 board in most designs. And useing RivaTuner you can open the other half of the memory bus to end up with a 9700 while just paying for a 9500. It does work I got a Sapphire 9500 128meg card for $154.00. Note these are 9500 128meg cards NOT 9500Pro. It is all quite confusing I know but it could very well be the best money to framerate setup available right now. Goto www.guru3d.com for starters to understand how this works. Another note is some people reporting artifacts and such are trying to overclock it all the way to a 9700PRO after pacthing it to a 9700. You don't have to overclock it to equal a 9700 only if you wan't to try to equal a 9700pro. Remove x in [email hidden] to e-mail me. "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:h65%9.114682 $[email hidden]:

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> I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of > days and wanted to know what people think of my two > choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro > or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with > 128 megs of ddr ram. My main games of concern are > of course GPL and Nascar 4 plus the Microsoft Combat > flight sims (1,2 and 3) and i'm thinking of down the road is > Racing Legends by the West brothers. I can't afford a > Radeon 9700 Pro or a ti-4600 but would like to know which > one of the other two people would pick because i'm stuck > and my Voodoo 5 is getting real old. I still love the Voodoo 5 > for GPL but i think it's about time too replace her. > Thanks Everyone for any help. > Steve! > > > > >

You are mistaken Steve. The GF4-MX series was based on the GF2 core. The 9500 IS based on the 9700pro core albeit with reduced number of pipelines and slower clk/mem speed. No comparisons between the two other than they are 3d accelerated video cards on the AGP bus with 128mb memory ;). Mitch "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QD8%9.35302$[email hidden]... > Definitely the Pro; the non-Pro ATIs are the equivalent of nVidia's lameMX

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> line. > > "Ad" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:b1ir8a$glr$[email hidden]... > > i had the same question, in my new pc i go for the 9500 PRO because > it > > has better fps by use of anti aliasing and anisotrofic filtering > > see toms hardware site for a test > > succes Ad > > > >I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of > > > >days and wanted to know what people think of my two > > > >choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro > > > >or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with > > > >128 megs of ddr ram. > > > > > >

Get a 9700 pro from Circuit City to try. The have a 14 day no questions asked return policy. I had an 8500 that locked up since the day I bought it. Tried the NVIDIA and 9700 pro from Circuit City. I chose to go with the DX9 support of the 9700 and because Circuit City did not offer the all in wonder I found the AIW9700 pro online for under 380.00 no lockups or stutters in any games. Very Happy and ready for the DX9 games in the future "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:h65%9.114682$[email hidden]...

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> I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of > days and wanted to know what people think of my two > choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro > or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with > 128 megs of ddr ram. My main games of concern are > of course GPL and Nascar 4 plus the Microsoft Combat > flight sims (1,2 and 3) and i'm thinking of down the road is > Racing Legends by the West brothers. I can't afford a > Radeon 9700 Pro or a ti-4600 but would like to know which > one of the other two people would pick because i'm stuck > and my Voodoo 5 is getting real old. I still love the Voodoo 5 > for GPL but i think it's about time too replace her. > Thanks Everyone for any help. > Steve! > > > > >

I just went through that, with an OEM Sapphire 9500 with infineon 3.3ns memory. See my "upgrade time follow-up" post from 1/31 for details. SoftR9700 worked fine, but I got as many minor artifacts at default clock speed as when o/c'ed to near-Pro levels; much more so in OGL than D3D. But I actually prefer the IQ of my Ti4400, mainly due to the more natural (imho) look of the lighting and reflections in Papy's sims, plus the ability of the GF to do AA in 16bit. The ATI's AA is definitely better though, and it's amazing in how it can do high resolutions at 32 bit color, along with high levels of AA and AF, with only a tiny hit in FPS compared to the GF. Think I'll wait for the next round... SB "Mike Mellendorf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Just in case you didn't consider it the Ati Radeon 9500 128meg card uses > the 9700 board in most designs. And useing RivaTuner you can open the > other half of the memory bus to end up with a 9700 while just paying for > a 9500. It does work I got a Sapphire 9500 128meg card for $154.00. Note > these are 9500 128meg cards NOT 9500Pro. It is all quite confusing I > know but it could very well be the best money to framerate setup > available right now. Goto www.guru3d.com for starters to understand how > this works. Another note is some people reporting artifacts and such are > trying to overclock it all the way to a 9700PRO after pacthing it to a > 9700. You don't have to overclock it to equal a 9700 only if you wan't > to try to equal a 9700pro. > > Remove x in [email hidden] to e-mail me. > > "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:h65%9.114682 > $[email hidden]: > > > I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of > > days and wanted to know what people think of my two > > choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro > > or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with > > 128 megs of ddr ram. My main games of concern are > > of course GPL and Nascar 4 plus the Microsoft Combat > > flight sims (1,2 and 3) and i'm thinking of down the road is > > Racing Legends by the West brothers. I can't afford a > > Radeon 9700 Pro or a ti-4600 but would like to know which > > one of the other two people would pick because i'm stuck > > and my Voodoo 5 is getting real old. I still love the Voodoo 5 > > for GPL but i think it's about time too replace her. > > Thanks Everyone for any help. > > Steve! > > > > > > > > > > >

Check the price differences betw. the ATI Pro and non-Pro vs. the nVidia MX and non-MX cards and call me in the morning. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pTc%9.562$[email hidden]...

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> You are mistaken Steve. > > The GF4-MX series was based on the GF2 core. The 9500 IS based on the > 9700pro core albeit with reduced number of pipelines and slower clk/mem > speed. No comparisons between the two other than they are 3d accelerated > video cards on the AGP bus with 128mb memory ;). > > Mitch > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:QD8%9.35302$[email hidden]... > > Definitely the Pro; the non-Pro ATIs are the equivalent of nVidia's lame > MX > > line. > > > > "Ad" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:b1ir8a$glr$[email hidden]... > > > i had the same question, in my new pc i go for the 9500 PRO

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> > it > > > has better fps by use of anti aliasing and anisotrofic filtering > > > see toms hardware site for a test > > > succes Ad > > > > >I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of > > > > >days and wanted to know what people think of my two > > > > >choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro > > > > >or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with > > > > >128 megs of ddr ram. > > > > > > > > > > > >

Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PTe%9.24119$[email hidden]...> Check the price differences betw. the ATI Pro and non-Pro vs. the nVidia MX > and non-MX cards and call me in the morning. I'm not real sure what price has to do with anything? You stated in-correctly that the 9500 is the same as the MX series was for the Nvidia line. It's not! Why would I want to call you in the morning and not the evenin? In fact I'm actually calling you something right now ;) Mitch > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:QD8%9.35302$[email hidden]... > > > Definitely the Pro; the non-Pro ATIs are the equivalent of nVidia'slame

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> > MX > > > line. > > > > > > "Ad" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:b1ir8a$glr$[email hidden]... > > > > i had the same question, in my new pc i go for the 9500 PRO > because > > > it > > > > has better fps by use of anti aliasing and anisotrofic filtering > > > > see toms hardware site for a test > > > > succes Ad > > > > > >I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of > > > > > >days and wanted to know what people think of my two > > > > > >choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro > > > > > >or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with > > > > > >128 megs of ddr ram. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Sorry about that I missed the part you had artifacts at default clock settings. I guess I just got lucky. "Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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> I just went through that, with an OEM Sapphire 9500 with infineon > 3.3ns memory. See my "upgrade time follow-up" post from 1/31 for > details. SoftR9700 worked fine, but I got as many minor artifacts at > default clock speed as when o/c'ed to near-Pro levels; much more so in > OGL than D3D. But I actually prefer the IQ of my Ti4400, mainly due > to the more natural (imho) look of the lighting and reflections in > Papy's sims, plus the ability of the GF to do AA in 16bit. The ATI's > AA is definitely better though, and it's amazing in how it can do > high resolutions at 32 bit color, along with high levels of AA and AF, > with only a tiny hit in FPS compared to the GF. > > Think I'll wait for the next round... > > SB > > > "Mike Mellendorf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Just in case you didn't consider it the Ati Radeon 9500 128meg card >> uses the 9700 board in most designs. And useing RivaTuner you can >> open the other half of the memory bus to end up with a 9700 while >> just paying for a 9500. It does work I got a Sapphire 9500 128meg >> card for $154.00. Note these are 9500 128meg cards NOT 9500Pro. It is >> all quite confusing I know but it could very well be the best money >> to framerate setup available right now. Goto www.guru3d.com for >> starters to understand how this works. Another note is some people >> reporting artifacts and such are trying to overclock it all the way >> to a 9700PRO after pacthing it to a 9700. You don't have to overclock >> it to equal a 9700 only if you wan't to try to equal a 9700pro. >> >> Remove x in [email hidden] to e-mail me. >> >> "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:h65%9.114682 >> $[email hidden]: >> >> > I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of >> > days and wanted to know what people think of my two >> > choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro >> > or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with >> > 128 megs of ddr ram. My main games of concern are >> > of course GPL and Nascar 4 plus the Microsoft Combat >> > flight sims (1,2 and 3) and i'm thinking of down the road is >> > Racing Legends by the West brothers. I can't afford a >> > Radeon 9700 Pro or a ti-4600 but would like to know which >> > one of the other two people would pick because i'm stuck >> > and my Voodoo 5 is getting real old. I still love the Voodoo 5 >> > for GPL but i think it's about time too replace her. >> > Thanks Everyone for any help. >> > Steve! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

Price = performance; that's the way it works in the marketplace. Call me anything...except late for din-din. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ffg%9.1333$[email hidden]...

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> Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:PTe%9.24119$[email hidden]...> Check the price > differences betw. the ATI Pro and non-Pro vs. the nVidia MX > > and non-MX cards and call me in the morning. > > > I'm not real sure what price has to do with anything? You stated > in-correctly that the 9500 is the same as the MX series was for the Nvidia > line. It's not! > > Why would I want to call you in the morning and not the evenin? In fact > I'm actually calling you something right now ;) > > Mitch > > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:QD8%9.35302$[email hidden]... > > > > Definitely the Pro; the non-Pro ATIs are the equivalent of nVidia's > lame > > > MX > > > > line. > > > > > > > > "Ad" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:b1ir8a$glr$[email hidden]... > > > > > i had the same question, in my new pc i go for the 9500 PRO > > because > > > > it > > > > > has better fps by use of anti aliasing and anisotrofic filtering > > > > > see toms hardware site for a test > > > > > succes Ad > > > > > > >I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of > > > > > > >days and wanted to know what people think of my two > > > > > > >choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro > > > > > > >or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with > > > > > > >128 megs of ddr ram. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

If that were true, a 9500 pro would be faster than a 9700 non-pro. The ladder of ATI cards rank by speed goes like this: 9700 Pro 9700 9500 Pro 9500 9000 Pro 9000 The 9000 series is the equivelant of the MX series and also matches the MX in price catagories. -Tim "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QD8%9.35302$[email hidden]... > Definitely the Pro; the non-Pro ATIs are the equivalent of nVidia's lameMX

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> line. > > "Ad" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:b1ir8a$glr$[email hidden]... > > i had the same question, in my new pc i go for the 9500 PRO because > it > > has better fps by use of anti aliasing and anisotrofic filtering > > see toms hardware site for a test > > succes Ad > > > >I'm looking at a new video card in the next couple of > > > >days and wanted to know what people think of my two > > > >choices. It's either going to be a Ati Radeon 9500 pro > > > >or some kind of Geforce 4 ti-4200 agp and both with > > > >128 megs of ddr ram. > > > > > >

My 9500 Pro fried after 4 hours use. Sending it back. I keep reading discussions about: Anti-aliasing FSAA anisotropic filtering V-sync Are these things specific to specific cards? How do you turn them on and off? I want to make sure the replacement card works OK! Thanx, Sam