Logitech FF & WinXP

It's time for me to upgrade. I was wondering if anybody is using the old (big red) Logitech FF wheel with Win XP. I seem to remember that XP wouldn't recognize it as a serial device and Logitech doesn't offer any drivers since the wheel was discontinued. I have a serial to USB adapter for it, but will the Wingman control panel work? Bill Berry

"WillyB4120" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It's time for me to upgrade. I was wondering if anybody is using the old(big > red) Logitech FF wheel with Win XP. I seem to remember that XP wouldn't > recognize it as a serial device and Logitech doesn't offer any driverssince > the wheel was discontinued. I have a serial to USB adapter for it, butwill the > Wingman control panel work? > > Bill Berry > It *should* work fine with the adapter, as that's all mine is using (on Win2K) and is all that came with the wheel in the first place.

Mine works perfectly in XP using the USB port. But F1 2001 ran great. Same FF as in W98. Thanks, Cisko. One more question. Does it recognize split axis for the pedals? Bill Berry

Mine works perfectly in XP using the USB port. But F1 2001 ran great. Same FF as in W98. -- [email hidden] "WillyB4120" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It's time for me to upgrade. I was wondering if anybody is using the old (big > red) Logitech FF wheel with Win XP. I seem to remember that XP wouldn't > recognize it as a serial device and Logitech doesn't offer any drivers since > the wheel was discontinued. I have a serial to USB adapter for it, but will the > Wingman control panel work? > > Bill Berry >

> Thanks, Cisko. One more question. Does it recognize split axis for thepedals? Be warned! The LWFF *GP* works OK in Win2K/XP, but the original LWFF, even when using the USB adapter, has some FF issues with F1 2001, F1 2002, GTR 2002 etc. The frame rate is roughly halved when enabling FF with these games. I'm not sure if it's only VIA based motherboards that suffer the problem since I've only tested it on those. Logitech acknowleged the problem on their web site but say that the wheel is too old for them to support with newer OSes and it may not even be their fault. Apparently all Logitech wheels since the LWFF have had different firmware and aren't affected by the problem. Other games like GPL, N2002, LFS work fine with the LWFF in XP so it's a little peculiar. Split axis is fine too. I've been forced to install my old copy of win98 on another partition just so I can play F1 200X with FF. :-(

I've been forced to install my old copy of win98 on another partition just so I can play F1 200X with FF. :-( That's what I was thinking of doing. Or running 98SE on a second hard drive. It is the original Logi FF that I'm talking about. Is the frame rate hit with it only with XP? Bill Berry

> I've been forced to install my > old copy of win98 on another partition just so I can play F1 200X with FF. > :-( > > > That's what I was thinking of doing. Or running 98SE on a second harddrive. It > is the original Logi FF that I'm talking about. Is the frame rate hit withit > only with XP? Yeah, the original one with the red, totally rubber wheel. The frame rate hit only occurs in F1 200X and only in Win2K and WinXP.

"WillyB4120" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Mine works perfectly in XP using the USB port. But F1 2001 > ran great. Same FF as in W98. > > > Thanks, Cisko. One more question. Does it recognize split axis for thepedals? All of my pedals are on the same axis, so I have no idea. -- [email hidden]

"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b1q0fk$160tnc$[email hidden]... > > Thanks, Cisko. One more question. Does it recognize split axis for the > pedals? > > Be warned! The LWFF *GP* works OK in Win2K/XP, but the original LWFF,even > when using the USB adapter, has some FF issues with F1 2001, F1 2002, GTR > 2002 etc. The frame rate is roughly halved when enabling FF with these What? You have got to be joking. I am using F1 2002 with a full field 1024x768 with all graphics maxed and a totally fluid frame when starting a quick race from the rear... -- [email hidden] > games. I'm not sure if it's only VIA based motherboards that suffer the > problem since I've only tested it on those. Logitech acknowleged the > problem on their web site but say that the wheel is too old for them to > support with newer OSes and it may not even be their fault. Apparently all > Logitech wheels since the LWFF have had different firmware and aren't > affected by the problem. > > Other games like GPL, N2002, LFS work fine with the LWFF in XP so it's a > little peculiar. Split axis is fine too. I've been forced to install my > old copy of win98 on another partition just so I can play F1 200X with FF. > :-( > >

> What? You have got to be joking. I am using F1 2002 with a full field > 1024x768 > with all graphics maxed and a totally fluid frame when starting a quickrace > from > the rear... You just destroyed your credibility. Not even an overclocked P4 4.0GHz with a NV FX or Rad 9700 pro is capable of that.

> What? You have got to be joking. I am using F1 2002 with a full field > 1024x768 > with all graphics maxed and a totally fluid frame when starting a quickrace > from > the rear... Really? What chipset does your motherboard use?

Well, I was going to use 98SE because of the old Logi wheel I'm using, but now I hear that an ATI 9700 isn't compatible with 98. It looks like my only alternative is to use Win ME since it's compatible with both the wheel and the 9700. Bill Berry

I think you would be far better off getting a new wheel than living with Windows ME, the Hadley-Watson of Operating Systems. Larry <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, I was going to use 98SE because of the old Logi wheel I'm using, > but now I hear that an ATI 9700 isn't compatible with 98. It looks > like my only alternative is to use Win ME since it's compatible with > both the wheel and the 9700. > > Bill Berry

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<_8f0a.108929$[email hidden]>... > I think you would be far better off getting a new wheel than living with > Windows ME, the Hadley-Watson of Operating Systems. > > Larry Have you ever tried one of the old style Logitechs? :) Bill Berry

Do not go with WinME. That OS is the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen. FWIW I had no problems with my LWFF under XP but I also only run Papy sims. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<_8f0a.108929$[email hidden]>...

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> > I think you would be far better off getting a new wheel than living with > > Windows ME, the Hadley-Watson of Operating Systems. > > > > Larry > > > Have you ever tried one of the old style Logitechs? :) > > Bill Berry

> > I think you would be far better off getting a new wheel than living with > > Windows ME, the Hadley-Watson of Operating Systems. > > Have you ever tried one of the old style Logitechs? :) WinME is definitely an option. It's no worse than Win98. In fact it's probably a lot more compatible and boots in half the time of 98. It got a bad reputation because when it came out, the Nvidia drivers at the time caused frequent blue screens. Nvidia have long since corrected the problem and all is well. Don't listen to all the "WinME is crap!" people.

> It is a brand new DELL 4550 with a GeForce 4 MX 400. So I have no > idea what is porked on your guys systems but it is cool on this one... Duh. There's no such thing as a GeForce 4 MX 400 and it's not a mainboard chipset anyway. Stop wasting people's time, troll.

> All of my pedals are on the same axis, so I have no idea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What a surprise...

I guess you are wrong... -- [email hidden] "Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UN30a.40951$[email hidden]... > > What? You have got to be joking. I am using F1 2002 with a full field > > 1024x768 > > with all graphics maxed and a totally fluid frame when starting a quick > race > > from > > the rear... > > You just destroyed your credibility. Not even an overclocked P4 4.0GHz with > a NV FX or Rad 9700 pro is capable of that. > >

"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OP30a.40954$[email hidden]...

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> > What? You have got to be joking. I am using F1 2002 with a full field > > 1024x768 > > with all graphics maxed and a totally fluid frame when starting a quick > race > > from > > the rear... > > Really? What chipset does your motherboard use?

Yes really. Duh. It is a brand new DELL 4550 with a GeForce 4 MX 400. So I have no idea what is porked on your guys systems but it is cool on this one... -- [email hidden]

"Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b1sv73$16467n$[email hidden]... > > All of my pedals are on the same axis, so I have no idea. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > What a surprise... That you are an ahole??? -- [email hidden]

WinME is CRAP. It's the worst OS any manufacturer has ever shipped. It is buggy, has problems with drivers, and will make you pull your hair out. Maybe one out of ten people think ME is a good OS. And I sure ain't one of them. Thank heavens it was never a corporate OS. IT budgets around the world would have imploded. Larry "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b1sn9t$15lv7q$[email hidden]... > > > I think you would be far better off getting a new wheel than livingwith

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> > > Windows ME, the Hadley-Watson of Operating Systems. > > > > Have you ever tried one of the old style Logitechs? :) > > WinME is definitely an option. It's no worse than Win98. In fact it's > probably a lot more compatible and boots in half the time of 98. It got a > bad reputation because when it came out, the Nvidia drivers at the time > caused frequent blue screens. Nvidia have long since corrected the

problem > and all is well. Don't listen to all the "WinME is crap!" people. > >

> WinME is CRAP. It's the worst OS any manufacturer has ever shipped. Itis > buggy, has problems with drivers, and will make you pull your hair out. > > Maybe one out of ten people think ME is a good OS. > > And I sure ain't one of them. Thank heavens it was never a corporate OS. > IT budgets around the world would have imploded. I didn't say it was perfect, or for that matter, better than Win2K/XP or indeed a 'good OS.' I said it was as good or better than Win98SE. For anyone who has hardware compatibility problems with WinXP - joysticks, scanners etc, it is a very viable alternative. Try installing Win98SE on modern hardware. I guarantee you won't get far without a bluescreen.

MX 420... Dork. -- [email hidden] "Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b1sv2u$16ir41$[email hidden]... > > It is a brand new DELL 4550 with a GeForce 4 MX 400. So I have no > > idea what is porked on your guys systems but it is cool on this one... > > Duh. There's no such thing as a GeForce 4 MX 400 and it's not a mainboard > chipset anyway. > > Stop wasting people's time, troll. > >

"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QNX1a.2640$[email hidden]... > MX 420... Dork. Oh dear. You really are a prize clown. Killfiled....