NASCAR 2003: Infineon Track

It seems like every year (since N2 days), I'm in here making a post about the Sears track.....a day or two after a new Papy NASCAR title release. Nothing new this year....except I have little to bitch about. This year's Sears track (Infineon)......is the best Papy has ever done. Nice job Papyrus.......your new Infineon track for NR03 is very well done! Oh yeah...its not without some flaws.....but for the first time there's very little that's not accurate, even the coloring is light-years closer to the real track (in June) than it has ever been. Here's a quick comment list....after touring around the track last night on my graphics rig (not my sim racing rig which I've not installed NR03 on yet): 1. Track Configuration: 100% perfect (they have the new main straight done correctly, as well as, they've fixed the Turn-7 section from NR02...it is now correct). 2. Buildings and TSO's: About 90% correct.....what isn't can be fixed. 3. Track surface coloring and trackside surface coloring: Its about 90% accurate....easy to fix. 4. Hillside/trees and surroundings coloring: Its much closer than ever before (about 80% correct)......nice job......also easy to fix. 5. New buildings/grandstands: The main straight grandstand (left side) is perfect, nice job. Also, the new "Raceway Shop/Lunch Room" building is perfect. 6. Signage: Very well done.....when I've removed all the fake WC signs.....there's only a couple signs/billboards that need to be updated. Those of you that had difficulty with racing on the road courses in previous Papy NASCAR sims should be sure to come back and try them again in NR03. The car has a much better sense of grip......and handles far more realistically. My first impressions when driving around last night.....were that the car handled almost like it did in NR02....with the "arcade" setup selected (which I used most of the time because the car physics were closer to the real thing....in NR02.....on the roads only). Also, for the first time....your Winston Cup car has "brakes!" I did about 10 laps at Watkins and had the same feeling with regard to grip and brakes. Nice job Papy! My guess is that much credit goes to Jasper Racing and Goodyear......for the new car physics are really close to realistic....IMHO. I will be totally surprised if this doesn't also translate equally to the oval tracks. Not trying to be "negative"....but here's a list of what's not correct: 1. Turn 7 Grandstand: Its not there anymore.....the grandstand seating in Turn-7 is hillside terracing....just like Turns-2 thru Turns-4. I can't add the hillside terracing (maybe somebody knows how to do this?)....but I can at least remove the T-7 grandstand. 2. Hillside Terracing, Left side of track - all the way down through the esses: Its missing completely. Not sure why Papy did this.....but unless someone can re-compile the track and add that in.....there's nothing that can be done "graphically" to fix this. 3. Right side of track, main straight - grandstands: These are used only when drag racing events are coming up. Those grandstands are removed for the Winston Cup race. I will remove them. 4. Flagging stations: Infineon uses all of the SCCA flagging stations.....not the "caution light" system that all of the other tracks use (including Watkins). Only one of those was put in the track (in T-11). Sorry to see those gone.....they are "key" point markers at many of the turns. I will remove the caution lights as I've done in past track patches. It is possible to have the SCCA flagging stations, with animated flaggers.....we did this for the GPL Sears track a few years back. It really adds a ton to the "realism" that you are racing on a road course! But...as I said, this is the best job Papyrus has ever done on new release of Sears Point Raceway. On a scale of "one to ten"....I would give this track an "8.5"....and I would have rated previous Papyrus Sears tracks no higher than a "4 or 5"......so this is a pleasant surprise! By the way, you can't get outside of the fencing and drive around the infield and paddock area garages like you could do in NR002 (at least, you can't do it through the same path as you could in NR002). Too bad, that was fun! Regards, Tom

Tom, I agree with you on racing the road courses. I fired up Watkins last night and was amazed how wonderful a job they have done with NR2003. Funny you should mention the braking.... Initially I found myself coming up about 15 feet soon on my braking at the 90 and was way to slow with my corner entering speed (Well, slower than normal <G>). Now if we could just add a fully functional "boot", drive straight on the backstretch, and get a GT-1 or maybe a Sport 2000 in there.... I would be a very happy camper! ;) -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those that get binary and those who don't" "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Otw0a.11236$iG3.1695@sccrnsc02... > It seems like every year (since N2 days), I'm in here making a post about > the Sears track.....a day or two after a new Papy NASCAR title release. > Nothing new this year....except I have little to bitch about. > > This year's Sears track (Infineon)......is the best Papy has ever done. > Nice job Papyrus.......your new Infineon track for NR03 is very well done! > > Oh yeah...its not without some flaws.....but for the first time there's very > little that's not accurate, even the coloring is light-years closer to the > real track (in June) than it has ever been. > > Here's a quick comment list....after touring around the track last night on > my graphics rig (not my sim racing rig which I've not installed NR03 on > yet): > > 1. Track Configuration: 100% perfect (they have the new main straight done > correctly, as well as, they've fixed the Turn-7 section from NR02...it is > now correct). > 2. Buildings and TSO's: About 90% correct.....what isn't can be fixed. > 3. Track surface coloring and trackside surface coloring: Its about 90% > accurate....easy to fix. > 4. Hillside/trees and surroundings coloring: Its much closer than ever > before (about 80% correct)......nice job......also easy to fix. > 5. New buildings/grandstands: The main straight grandstand (left side) is > perfect, nice job. Also, the new "Raceway Shop/Lunch Room" building is > perfect. > 6. Signage: Very well done.....when I've removed all the fake WC > signs.....there's only a couple signs/billboards that need to be updated. > > Those of you that had difficulty with racing on the road courses in previous > Papy NASCAR sims should be sure to come back and try them again in NR03. > The car has a much better sense of grip......and handles far more > realistically. My first impressions when driving around last night.....were > that the car handled almost like it did in NR02....with the "arcade" setup > selected (which I used most of the time because the car physics were closer > to the real thing....in NR02.....on the roads only). Also, for the first > time....your Winston Cup car has "brakes!" I did about 10 laps at Watkins > and had the same feeling with regard to grip and brakes. Nice job Papy! My > guess is that much credit goes to Jasper Racing and Goodyear......for the > new car physics are really close to realistic....IMHO. I will be totally > surprised if this doesn't also translate equally to the oval tracks. > > Not trying to be "negative"....but here's a list of what's not correct: > > 1. Turn 7 Grandstand: Its not there anymore.....the grandstand seating in > Turn-7 is hillside terracing....just like Turns-2 thru Turns-4. I can't add > the hillside terracing (maybe somebody knows how to do this?)....but I can > at least remove the T-7 grandstand. > > 2. Hillside Terracing, Left side of track - all the way down through the > esses: Its missing completely. Not sure why Papy did this.....but unless > someone can re-compile the track and add that in.....there's nothing that > can be done "graphically" to fix this. > > 3. Right side of track, main straight - grandstands: These are used only > when drag racing events are coming up. Those grandstands are removed for > the Winston Cup race. I will remove them. > > 4. Flagging stations: Infineon uses all of the SCCA flagging > stations.....not the "caution light" system that all of the other tracks use > (including Watkins). Only one of those was put in the track (in T-11). > Sorry to see those gone.....they are "key" point markers at many of the > turns. I will remove the caution lights as I've done in past track patches. > It is possible to have the SCCA flagging stations, with animated > flaggers.....we did this for the GPL Sears track a few years back. It > really adds a ton to the "realism" that you are racing on a road course! > > But...as I said, this is the best job Papyrus has ever done on new release > of Sears Point Raceway. On a scale of "one to ten"....I would give this > track an "8.5"....and I would have rated previous Papyrus Sears tracks no > higher than a "4 or 5"......so this is a pleasant surprise! > > By the way, you can't get outside of the fencing and drive around the > infield and paddock area garages like you could do in NR002 (at least, you > can't do it through the same path as you could in NR002). Too bad, that was > fun! > > Regards, > > Tom > >

I agree, it is very good now. One other thing I noticed is that when entering turn 4, in real life, going up on the rumble strip you can catch a little air on the right side of the car but in NR2003 it seems to be way overexaggerated. The rumble strip practically flips the car if you cut the corner too much.. Also I noticed in turn 7 in real life I seem to recall them having two possible tracks and the nascar race used the farther around track while the inner turn 7 track was coned off. In NR2003, there is just a solid wall on the inside. Of course, this is all very nitpicky, just an observation. -Tim "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Otw0a.11236$iG3.1695@sccrnsc02...

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> It seems like every year (since N2 days), I'm in here making a post about > the Sears track.....a day or two after a new Papy NASCAR title release. > Nothing new this year....except I have little to bitch about. > > This year's Sears track (Infineon)......is the best Papy has ever done. > Nice job Papyrus.......your new Infineon track for NR03 is very well done! > > Oh yeah...its not without some flaws.....but for the first time there's

very > little that's not accurate, even the coloring is light-years closer to the > real track (in June) than it has ever been. > > Here's a quick comment list....after touring around the track last nighton > my graphics rig (not my sim racing rig which I've not installed NR03 on > yet): > > 1. Track Configuration: 100% perfect (they have the new main straightdone

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> correctly, as well as, they've fixed the Turn-7 section from NR02...it is > now correct). > 2. Buildings and TSO's: About 90% correct.....what isn't can be fixed. > 3. Track surface coloring and trackside surface coloring: Its about 90% > accurate....easy to fix. > 4. Hillside/trees and surroundings coloring: Its much closer than ever > before (about 80% correct)......nice job......also easy to fix. > 5. New buildings/grandstands: The main straight grandstand (left side)

is > perfect, nice job. Also, the new "Raceway Shop/Lunch Room" building is > perfect. > 6. Signage: Very well done.....when I've removed all the fake WC > signs.....there's only a couple signs/billboards that need to be updated. > > Those of you that had difficulty with racing on the road courses inprevious > Papy NASCAR sims should be sure to come back and try them again in NR03. > The car has a much better sense of grip......and handles far more > realistically. My first impressions when driving around lastnight.....were > that the car handled almost like it did in NR02....with the "arcade" setup > selected (which I used most of the time because the car physics werecloser > to the real thing....in NR02.....on the roads only). Also, for the first > time....your Winston Cup car has "brakes!" I did about 10 laps at Watkins > and had the same feeling with regard to grip and brakes. Nice job Papy!My

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> guess is that much credit goes to Jasper Racing and Goodyear......for the > new car physics are really close to realistic....IMHO. I will be totally > surprised if this doesn't also translate equally to the oval tracks. > > Not trying to be "negative"....but here's a list of what's not correct: > > 1. Turn 7 Grandstand: Its not there anymore.....the grandstand seating

in > Turn-7 is hillside terracing....just like Turns-2 thru Turns-4. I can'tadd

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> the hillside terracing (maybe somebody knows how to do this?)....but I can > at least remove the T-7 grandstand. > > 2. Hillside Terracing, Left side of track - all the way down through the > esses: Its missing completely. Not sure why Papy did this.....but unless > someone can re-compile the track and add that in.....there's nothing that > can be done "graphically" to fix this. > > 3. Right side of track, main straight - grandstands: These are used only > when drag racing events are coming up. Those grandstands are removed for > the Winston Cup race. I will remove them. > > 4. Flagging stations: Infineon uses all of the SCCA flagging > stations.....not the "caution light" system that all of the other tracks

use > (including Watkins). Only one of those was put in the track (in T-11). > Sorry to see those gone.....they are "key" point markers at many of the > turns. I will remove the caution lights as I've done in past trackpatches.

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> It is possible to have the SCCA flagging stations, with animated > flaggers.....we did this for the GPL Sears track a few years back. It > really adds a ton to the "realism" that you are racing on a road course! > > But...as I said, this is the best job Papyrus has ever done on new release > of Sears Point Raceway. On a scale of "one to ten"....I would give this > track an "8.5"....and I would have rated previous Papyrus Sears tracks no > higher than a "4 or 5"......so this is a pleasant surprise! > > By the way, you can't get outside of the fencing and drive around the > infield and paddock area garages like you could do in NR002 (at least, you > can't do it through the same path as you could in NR002). Too bad, that

was

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> fun! > > Regards, > > Tom > >

>"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > It seems like every year (since N2 days), I'm in here making a post about > the Sears track. Yes of course. Every new Papyrus NASCAR titles comes with the obligatory Tom Pabst Sears Point whine ;-D (it's like me and Ubisoft titles, you have the obligatory ymenard track accuracy whine!) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

C'mon, Francois....don't I get "credit from you" for giving credit where credit is due (to Papy, for doing a good job with the Sears track this time)? In years past, my "obligatory whine" only sounded like whining because it had sort of that broken record thingy going on. Year after year, same complaints! Well, they were the same complaints because Papy kept making the same mistakes....year after year. This time they didn't. I felt obligated to give them credit for finally getting Sears (almost) right....after all my years of bitching! Ymen...you have to say something nice about me.....sometimes! Please. LOL..... TP "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ojD0a.4250$[email hidden]... > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > It seems like every year (since N2 days), I'm in here making a postabout

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> > the Sears track. > > Yes of course. Every new Papyrus NASCAR titles comes with the obligatory > Tom Pabst Sears Point whine ;-D > > > (it's like me and Ubisoft titles, you have the obligatory ymenard track > accuracy whine!) > > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >

Hey Scott.... Question for you: My new roommate (my son moved out of the house....so I rented his room out) is from the NY area....and was a driving instructor at Watkins for many years. He had never driven a sim until he met me. One night, we were playing around on the sims and he asked to drive Watkins (in N2K2). The first time he came around into T-1....he stopped dead. He said, "This turn is not correct (in the sim)." He told me that a few years ago, they widened the track in T-1....not by widening the outside of the turn....but by widening the inside only. This made the T-1 turn radius much less abrupt.....and so forth. He says that N2K2's T-1 is the old T-1....not the new one. I haven't had time to go compare the N2K2 Watkins to the N2K3 Watkins.....but do you notice this or not? He said the rest of the track was "tits on perfect!" TP "Scott B. Husted�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Uix0a.4107$[email hidden]... > Tom, > > I agree with you on racing the road courses. I fired up Watkins lastnight > and was amazed how wonderful a job they have done with NR2003. Funny you > should mention the braking.... Initially I found myself coming up about15 > feet soon on my braking at the 90 and was way to slow with my corner > entering speed (Well, slower than normal <G>). > > Now if we could just add a fully functional "boot", drive straight on the > backstretch, and get a GT-1 or maybe a Sport 2000 in there.... I wouldbe

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> a very happy camper! ;) > > -- > Scott B. Husted > PA-Scott > ICQ# 4395450 > http://www.Husted.cc > "There are 10 kinds of people in this world, > those that get binary and those who don't" > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Otw0a.11236$iG3.1695@sccrnsc02... > > It seems like every year (since N2 days), I'm in here making a post

about > > the Sears track.....a day or two after a new Papy NASCAR title release. > > Nothing new this year....except I have little to bitch about. > > > > This year's Sears track (Infineon)......is the best Papy has ever done. > > Nice job Papyrus.......your new Infineon track for NR03 is very welldone! > > > > Oh yeah...its not without some flaws.....but for the first time there's > very > > little that's not accurate, even the coloring is light-years closer tothe

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> > real track (in June) than it has ever been. > > > > Here's a quick comment list....after touring around the track last night > on > > my graphics rig (not my sim racing rig which I've not installed NR03 on > > yet): > > > > 1. Track Configuration: 100% perfect (they have the new main straight > done > > correctly, as well as, they've fixed the Turn-7 section from NR02...it

is > > now correct). > > 2. Buildings and TSO's: About 90% correct.....what isn't can be fixed. > > 3. Track surface coloring and trackside surface coloring: Its about90%

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> > accurate....easy to fix. > > 4. Hillside/trees and surroundings coloring: Its much closer than ever > > before (about 80% correct)......nice job......also easy to fix. > > 5. New buildings/grandstands: The main straight grandstand (left side) > is > > perfect, nice job. Also, the new "Raceway Shop/Lunch Room" building is > > perfect. > > 6. Signage: Very well done.....when I've removed all the fake WC > > signs.....there's only a couple signs/billboards that need to be

updated.

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> > > > Those of you that had difficulty with racing on the road courses in > previous > > Papy NASCAR sims should be sure to come back and try them again in NR03. > > The car has a much better sense of grip......and handles far more > > realistically. My first impressions when driving around last > night.....were > > that the car handled almost like it did in NR02....with the "arcade"

setup > > selected (which I used most of the time because the car physics were > closer > > to the real thing....in NR02.....on the roads only). Also, for thefirst > > time....your Winston Cup car has "brakes!" I did about 10 laps atWatkins > > and had the same feeling with regard to grip and brakes. Nice job Papy! > My > > guess is that much credit goes to Jasper Racing and Goodyear......forthe > > new car physics are really close to realistic....IMHO. I will betotally

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> > surprised if this doesn't also translate equally to the oval tracks. > > > > Not trying to be "negative"....but here's a list of what's not correct: > > > > 1. Turn 7 Grandstand: Its not there anymore.....the grandstand seating > in > > Turn-7 is hillside terracing....just like Turns-2 thru Turns-4. I can't > add > > the hillside terracing (maybe somebody knows how to do this?)....but I

can > > at least remove the T-7 grandstand. > > > > 2. Hillside Terracing, Left side of track - all the way down throughthe > > esses: Its missing completely. Not sure why Papy did this.....butunless > > someone can re-compile the track and add that in.....there's nothingthat > > can be done "graphically" to fix this. > > > > 3. Right side of track, main straight - grandstands: These are usedonly > > when drag racing events are coming up. Those grandstands are removedfor

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> > the Winston Cup race. I will remove them. > > > > 4. Flagging stations: Infineon uses all of the SCCA flagging > > stations.....not the "caution light" system that all of the other tracks > use > > (including Watkins). Only one of those was put in the track (in T-11). > > Sorry to see those gone.....they are "key" point markers at many of the > > turns. I will remove the caution lights as I've done in past track > patches. > > It is possible to have the SCCA flagging stations, with animated > > flaggers.....we did this for the GPL Sears track a few years back. It > > really adds a ton to the "realism" that you are racing on a road course! > > > > But...as I said, this is the best job Papyrus has ever done on new

release > > of Sears Point Raceway. On a scale of "one to ten"....I would give this > > track an "8.5"....and I would have rated previous Papyrus Sears tracksno > > higher than a "4 or 5"......so this is a pleasant surprise! > > > > By the way, you can't get outside of the fencing and drive around the > > infield and paddock area garages like you could do in NR002 (at least,you

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> > can't do it through the same path as you could in NR002). Too bad, that > was > > fun! > > > > Regards, > > > > Tom > > > > > >

>"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > In years past, my "obligatory whine" only sounded like whining because it > had sort of that broken record thingy going on. Year after year, same > complaints! I was just joking. It's the same why I say whining for myself about Ubisoft and their track accuracy. Yes, even with F1RC there are some problems. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Okay...I forgive you. Sometimes I have a hard time telling when you are joking! LOL... TP "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8Ie1a.6974$[email hidden]... > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > In years past, my "obligatory whine" only sounded like whining becauseit > > had sort of that broken record thingy going on. Year after year, same > > complaints! > > > I was just joking. It's the same why I say whining for myself aboutUbisoft

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> and their track accuracy. Yes, even with F1RC there are some problems. > > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >

Tom, I agree with him about the track being perfect, and to be honest I did notice something about turn 1 in 2003 that threw me off, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it and this would make sense with what I was experiencing! Now I need to go check it out in "game" again! <G> I haven't been to the track in person in the past 2 or 3 years unfortunately and I haven't raced the track in person in over 10 years - so I'm using that as my excuse! <G> -- Scott B. Husted "PA-Scott" ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:g4%0a.31613$[email hidden]... > Hey Scott.... > > Question for you: > > My new roommate (my son moved out of the house....so I rented his room out) > is from the NY area....and was a driving instructor at Watkins for many > years. He had never driven a sim until he met me. One night, we were > playing around on the sims and he asked to drive Watkins (in N2K2). The > first time he came around into T-1....he stopped dead. He said, "This turn > is not correct (in the sim)." He told me that a few years ago, they widened > the track in T-1....not by widening the outside of the turn....but by > widening the inside only. This made the T-1 turn radius much less > abrupt.....and so forth. He says that N2K2's T-1 is the old T-1....not the > new one. I haven't had time to go compare the N2K2 Watkins to the N2K3 > Watkins.....but do you notice this or not? He said the rest of the track > was "tits on perfect!" > > TP >