RASCAR: For Non-Rascar people that whined about it

I was resisting the urge to say... "Bite me. I'll post what I want, when I want, where I want." ...but I think I hurt myself. 1) This is R.A.S.. The messages I post are for the guys that race in R.A.S.CAR. I don't think I need to point out the correlation, unless of course we're dealing with someone out there that's a REAL slow learner. 2) I tried a combined message, but I got exactly TWO responses. If you noticed that I sent out at least a dozen specific requests for information, you can obviously see that the unified message had no noticeable effect. 3) I don't use Yahoo, AIM, ICQ, ICU, UC-ME, or any other cutsie little program. Since I'm one of the admins (not to mention the one with the sortest fuse), nobody else will use it for RASCAR stuff either. 4) I'm not here to be anyone's friend. I'm here to get everyone's ducks lined up in a neat little row, not to make sure I haven't defaced anyone's sensitivities. God knows I got a lot of other computer stuff I haave to do that doesn't even impact RASCAR. 5) Stop whining and put RASCAR in your filter list. 6) If you want some say as to what goes on in and around RASCAR, join the group. Until then, STFU. Oh yeah... 7) Bite me. I'll post what I want, when I want, where I want.

Thanks John. Glad to see you have full control of this group. All I was asking for is if perhaps the posts could be kept under control but apparently that is asking too much. Since you have a short fuse and don't screw around I guess your the self proclaimed boss. Good luck with the group and RASCAR, you will most likely need it. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I was resisting the urge to say... > > "Bite me. I'll post what I want, when I want, where I want." > > ...but I think I hurt myself. > > > 1) This is R.A.S.. The messages I post are for the guys that race in > R.A.S.CAR. I don't think I need to point out the correlation, unless > of course we're dealing with someone out there that's a REAL slow > learner. > > 2) I tried a combined message, but I got exactly TWO responses. If > you noticed that I sent out at least a dozen specific requests for > information, you can obviously see that the unified message had no > noticeable effect. > > 3) I don't use Yahoo, AIM, ICQ, ICU, UC-ME, or any other cutsie > little program. Since I'm one of the admins (not to mention the one > with the sortest fuse), nobody else will use it for RASCAR stuff > either. > > 4) I'm not here to be anyone's friend. I'm here to get everyone's > ducks lined up in a neat little row, not to make sure I haven't > defaced anyone's sensitivities. God knows I got a lot of other > computer stuff I haave to do that doesn't even impact RASCAR. > > 5) Stop whining and put RASCAR in your filter list. > > 6) If you want some say as to what goes on in and around RASCAR, join > the group. Until then, STFU. > > > Oh yeah... > > > > > 7) Bite me. I'll post what I want, when I want, where I want. >

Yes, now I remember why I left RASCAR.... > 4) I'm not here to be anyone's friend. I'm here to get everyone's > ducks lined up in a neat little row, <blah blah blah>

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> Until then, STFU. > > > Oh yeah... > > > > > 7) Bite me. I'll post what I want, when I want, where I want. >

Yes, now I remember why I left RASCAR.... <blah blah blah>

"Carl Ribbegaardh" wrote... > Yes, now I remember why I left RASCAR.... Every league needs someone who's willing to be unpopular to keep things running. I, for one, am glad John took/takes charge the way he did/does. There would be no way for this thing to work without him. Jan. =---

Makes you want to join rascar doesn't it. I think John need to calm down a bit and not be so defensive.

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > 4) I'm not here to be anyone's friend... > You're doing a great job then! ;o)

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> Yes, now I remember why I left RASCAR.... > > > > 4) I'm not here to be anyone's friend. I'm here to get everyone's > > ducks lined up in a neat little row, > > <blah blah blah> > > > Until then, STFU. > > > > > > Oh yeah... > > > > 7) Bite me. I'll post what I want, when I want, where I want.

Your overly sensitive constitution? :) Think about it Carl - if we let the inmates run the asylum, there would be chaos (or at least more than there is now). I don't remember seeing any of the RASCXAR guys complain about the frequent GPL posts. I mean, how dare anyone post a message about GPL in r.a.s when the game is almost five years old! The GALL! Nobody likes a whiney bitch.

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> "Carl Ribbegaardh" wrote... > > Yes, now I remember why I left RASCAR.... > > Every league needs someone who's willing to be unpopular to keep things > running. I, for one, am glad John took/takes charge the way he did/does. > There would be no way for this thing to work without him. >

I think everyone who didn't have the priviledge to run in IGPS is finally geting a taste of what it was like in my other leagues. I will also take this opportunity to remind all the whiney bitches that the only IGPS stuff ever seen in this newsgroup was a few announcements about league startup, and a few fond memries of the good old days. Why? Because league announcments and admin for IGPS would have been inappropriate because it wasn't about r.a.s. On the other hand, RASCAR *is* about r.a.s. For the record, if anyone wants to take over the reins of RASCAR from Eldred, Ed, and myself, you can do as you please with it. Darn, and I didn't see a single hand go up...

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> "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > 4) I'm not here to be anyone's friend... > > > > You're doing a great job then! > > ;o) >

At least there's one thing I'm good at. :)

>5) Stop whining and put RASCAR in your filter list. I got a better idea, why don't you stop whining and put every message but RASCAR in your filter list? You seem to think that you can say what you want where you want and how you want, yet no one else can do that. Myself, I don't care about the RASCAR posts, though I've always wondered why you guys don't have your own board or try to create your own usenet group. Does it take too much effort or is everyone too busy lining up ducks in order to implement such a plan? In the end if someone doesn't like the RASCAR posts, they could filter. But the proper thing to do would be for you guys to try to create a new usenet group or set up a board somewhere. But if domination and snootiness is the name of your game, then I suppose you'd keep on doing what your doing. Alanb "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I was resisting the urge to say... > > "Bite me. I'll post what I want, when I want, where I want." > > ...but I think I hurt myself. > > > 1) This is R.A.S.. The messages I post are for the guys that race in > R.A.S.CAR. I don't think I need to point out the correlation, unless > of course we're dealing with someone out there that's a REAL slow > learner. > > 2) I tried a combined message, but I got exactly TWO responses. If > you noticed that I sent out at least a dozen specific requests for > information, you can obviously see that the unified message had no > noticeable effect. > > 3) I don't use Yahoo, AIM, ICQ, ICU, UC-ME, or any other cutsie > little program. Since I'm one of the admins (not to mention the one > with the sortest fuse), nobody else will use it for RASCAR stuff > either. > > 4) I'm not here to be anyone's friend. I'm here to get everyone's > ducks lined up in a neat little row, not to make sure I haven't > defaced anyone's sensitivities. God knows I got a lot of other > computer stuff I haave to do that doesn't even impact RASCAR. > > 5) Stop whining and put RASCAR in your filter list. > > 6) If you want some say as to what goes on in and around RASCAR, join > the group. Until then, STFU. > > > Oh yeah... > > > > > 7) Bite me. I'll post what I want, when I want, where I want. >

> Think about it Carl - if we let the inmates run the asylum, there > would be chaos (or at least more than there is now). I don't > remember seeing any of the RASCXAR guys complain about the frequent > GPL posts. I mean, how dare anyone post a message about GPL in r.a.s > when the game is almost five years old! The GALL! GPL is a simulator. RASCAR is a league. There's an important difference. An occasional RASCAR post is OK, but 5 in a row is way out of line. Discussing GPL provides information on simulators to interested readers, but reporting who did what in a league is irrelevant to anyone not involved. How would you like it if all of the Need For Speed guys suddenly announced that their leagues are now open to RAS readers and started making 10 posts per day. A little courtesy please.

Hi, Well...i am a nascar person and usually don't mind posts about whatever but, nothing personal, this RASCAR stuff is getting to be a serious annoyance in this newsgroup. And yes...r.a.s...rascar...lovely letter similarity but please start your own newsgroup...it's not that hard to do. Cheerios On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:33:35 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: >I was resisting the urge to say... > > "Bite me. I'll post what I want, when I want, where I want." > >...but I think I hurt myself.

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> > <snip> > GPL is a simulator. RASCAR is a league. There's an important > difference. An occasional RASCAR post is OK, but 5 in a row is > way out of line. Discussing GPL provides information on > simulators to interested readers, but reporting who did what in > a league is irrelevant to anyone not involved. How would you > like it if all of the Need For Speed guys suddenly announced > that their leagues are now open to RAS readers and started > making 10 posts per day. A little courtesy please.

1) 10 post per day is a drop in a buckett. 2) if they'd flag their post I could filter them if I wanted to. Put it this way: at least 2/3rds of what is posted on RAS doesn't interest me in the slightest. Now, I could get all technical and tweak my newsgroup filter until I was blue in the face. On the other hand, just not downloading messages whose subject doesn't ring my bell works awfully good for me. Jan. =---

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> >5) Stop whining and put RASCAR in your filter list. > > I got a better idea, why don't you stop whining and put every message but > RASCAR in your filter list? > > You seem to think that you can say what you want where you want and how you > want, yet no one else can do that.

Wow, that's the most astounding example of a complet lack of reading comprehension that I've seen in a long time. I never said they couldn't post what they wanted, I was merely asserting my right to do so, and offering a workaround for anyone that doesn't like to see the RAASCAR messages. Of course, that statement was probably a complete waste on you, despite the plain and un-decorated description used. > Myself, I don't care about the RASCAR posts, though I've always wondered why > you guys don't have your own board or try to create your own usenet group. Asked and answered. > Does it take too much effort or is everyone too busy lining up ducks in > order to implement such a plan? If it was too much work, nobody would do it. > In the end if someone doesn't like the RASCAR posts, they could filter. But > the proper thing to do would be for you guys to try to create a new usenet > group or set up a board somewhere. You can't just "create a new usenet group. How long have you been using the internet? > But if domination and snootiness is the name of your game, then I suppose > you'd keep on doing what your doing. I don't ythink I'm being "snooty" or "domineering". Someone else started slingin shit - I just picked it up and threw it back.

"willem" wrote... > <snip> this RASCAR stuff is getting to be a > serious annoyance in this newsgroup. According ot Google this is your first post since may last year... Get back under your rock, lurker. Jan. =---

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> > Think about it Carl - if we let the inmates run the asylum, there > > would be chaos (or at least more than there is now). I don't > > remember seeing any of the RASCXAR guys complain about the frequent > > GPL posts. I mean, how dare anyone post a message about GPL in r.a.s > > when the game is almost five years old! The GALL! > > GPL is a simulator. RASCAR is a league. There's an important difference. > An occasional RASCAR post is OK, but 5 in a row is way out of line. > Discussing GPL provides information on simulators to interested readers, but > reporting who did what in a league is irrelevant to anyone not involved. > How would you like it if all of the Need For Speed guys suddenly announced > that their leagues are now open to RAS readers and started making 10 posts > per day. A little courtesy please. >

RASCAR is about a simulatror used by people that participate in R.A.S. How the hopeless flyin' !FUCK! is that not applicable to this newsgroup? I got more for all of you, but I figured I'd stop...

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> Hi, > > Well...i am a nascar person and usually don't mind posts about > whatever but, nothing personal, this RASCAR stuff is getting to be a > serious annoyance in this newsgroup. And yes...r.a.s...rascar...lovely > letter similarity but please start your own newsgroup...it's not that > hard to do.

Do yourself a favor and go back and read my posts again. Nothing's gonna change what I post here or when. Once RASCAR gets going, you won't see many posts at all.

> RASCAR is about a simulatror used by people that participate in > R.A.S. How the hopeless flyin' !FUCK! is that not applicable to this > newsgroup? I got more for all of you, but I figured I'd stop... You are showing that you have little regard for ettiquette and the feelings of many regulars to this group.

> > Myself, I don't care about the RASCAR posts, though I've alwayswondered why > > you guys don't have your own board or try to create your own usenetgroup. > > Asked and answered. Really? If you mean your item (3). You do not need any special anything to create, and use, a FREE Yahoo or MSN mailing list/group. -------------- Really why should "rec.autos.simulators" be a RASCAR support forum when numerous alternatives exist. Laziness? Sure you have the right to post where you want for what you want. This is club correspondence and rec.auto.simulators is not that club and therefore RASCAR specific club correspondence is SPAM within the rec.autos.simulators newsgroup. Norman

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <s3C2a.81386$tq4.3498@sccrnsc01>, [email hidden] > says... > > >5) Stop whining and put RASCAR in your filter list. > > > > I got a better idea, why don't you stop whining and put every messagebut > > RASCAR in your filter list? > > > > You seem to think that you can say what you want where you want and howyou

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> > want, yet no one else can do that. > > Wow, that's the most astounding example of a complet lack of reading > comprehension that I've seen in a long time. I never said they > couldn't post what they wanted, I was merely asserting my right to do > so, and offering a workaround for anyone that doesn't like to see the > RAASCAR messages. Of course, that statement was probably a complete > waste on you, despite the plain and un-decorated description used. > >

My friend, what I meant (if my problem is comprehension, which it isn't, yours is interpretation) to say is that in your complaining about people posting about all these RASCAR messages, which really belong somewhere else, you are not allowing others to speak their mind, which comes down to you denying others the right to post what they want and give their own opinions on the issue. Alanb

Eldred tried, at one point to move the RASCAR discussion off this NG, but was not successful because several of us (myself included) want to use this NG. We can't create a new NG because there is no garuntee that everyones news server will carry it. I really don't undestand why those of you that are so put out by RASCAR posts don't just put it in a kill filter. I mean really, in the time it took you to post and bitch about it you could have set it up. It always amazes me when people take it upon themselves to bitch about people posting ON TOPIC posts that they just happen not to care about. I remember when CIV3 came out, and over on comp.sys.ibm.games.strategic 90% of the posts were about.... CIV 3. Of course several people had to bitch about that as well... what the hell do you think these NG are for? Brian Oster On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:57:00 GMT, "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>>5) Stop whining and put RASCAR in your filter list. > >I got a better idea, why don't you stop whining and put every message but >RASCAR in your filter list? > >You seem to think that you can say what you want where you want and how you >want, yet no one else can do that. > >Myself, I don't care about the RASCAR posts, though I've always wondered why >you guys don't have your own board or try to create your own usenet group. > >Does it take too much effort or is everyone too busy lining up ducks in >order to implement such a plan? > >In the end if someone doesn't like the RASCAR posts, they could filter. But >the proper thing to do would be for you guys to try to create a new usenet >group or set up a board somewhere. > >But if domination and snootiness is the name of your game, then I suppose >you'd keep on doing what your doing. > >Alanb >"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I was resisting the urge to say... >> >> "Bite me. I'll post what I want, when I want, where I want." >> >> ...but I think I hurt myself. >> >> >> 1) This is R.A.S.. The messages I post are for the guys that race in >> R.A.S.CAR. I don't think I need to point out the correlation, unless >> of course we're dealing with someone out there that's a REAL slow >> learner. >> >> 2) I tried a combined message, but I got exactly TWO responses. If >> you noticed that I sent out at least a dozen specific requests for >> information, you can obviously see that the unified message had no >> noticeable effect. >> >> 3) I don't use Yahoo, AIM, ICQ, ICU, UC-ME, or any other cutsie >> little program. Since I'm one of the admins (not to mention the one >> with the sortest fuse), nobody else will use it for RASCAR stuff >> either. >> >> 4) I'm not here to be anyone's friend. I'm here to get everyone's >> ducks lined up in a neat little row, not to make sure I haven't >> defaced anyone's sensitivities. God knows I got a lot of other >> computer stuff I haave to do that doesn't even impact RASCAR. >> >> 5) Stop whining and put RASCAR in your filter list. >> >> 6) If you want some say as to what goes on in and around RASCAR, join >> the group. Until then, STFU. >> >> >> Oh yeah... >> >> >> >> >> 7) Bite me. I'll post what I want, when I want, where I want. >> >

Maybe you should do somethign else with your time instead of nosing into how much and what other people posted, just maybe i've changed ISPs...and maybe my ID/nick is different under Linux and freeBSD and my system at work... than it is under this windows machine... I see your "manners" are dropping to regular newsgroup levels... Don't assume someone is a lurker just because you can't find much on google...and if you feel the need to judge someone based on their posts...then i suggest you search in the right way ..so go search again and this time do it right and you'll see i post regularly..just the name 'willem' and this group's name under advanced will give you results...at least you can see what i posted from my windows box and i hope it makes you a more happy person knowing what i posted and when... On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 01:35:11 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >According ot Google this is your first post since may last year... > >Get back under your rock, lurker. > >Jan. >"willem" wrote... >> <snip> this RASCAR stuff is getting to be a >> serious annoyance in this newsgroup.

"willem" wrote... > Maybe you should do somethign else with your time instead > of nosing into how much and what other people posted, Gosh, I did a Google search... that's really gonna delay dinner around here. > just maybe i've changed ISPs...and maybe my ID/nick is different > under Linux and freeBSD and my system at work... than it is > under this windows machine... Great, that annoys me too. > I see your "manners" are dropping to regular newsgroup > levels... I already have a reputation for being a grouch, might as well live up to it. > Don't assume someone is a lurker just because you can't find > much on google...and if you feel the need to judge someone > based on their posts... Whether you really lurk or not, you acted like one of these annoying "me too" lurkers that seem to crawl out of the woodwork every time something mildly controversial is said around here. That annoys the crap out of me. Usually, I let it slide because after all there's no way to police what's being posted here and getting upset about it just wasted energy, but, for some reason, I just couldn't this time. I truly am easy going most of the time, but sometimes I just snap and lash out. I've done that since childhood. I'm 33 now and I'm done making excuses for it, it's just the way I am. I think I contribute positively to this group most of the time, so those who like to benifit from that should be able to take the odd wart now and again, IMO. > then i suggest you search in the right way ..so go search > again and this time do it right and you'll see i post regularly.. > just the name 'willem' and this group's name under > advanced will give you results... I did, the most recent post for that screen name is dated May 13th last year. There are more posts where willem occurs somewhere in the name, but it would be non-sensical for me to assume these were all the same person. > at least you can see what i posted from my windows box and > i hope it makes you a more happy person knowing what i > posted and when... Frankly, I couldn't care less. Jan. =---

In article <b2etf0$1bo9bh$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > RASCAR is about a simulatror used by people that participate in > > R.A.S. How the hopeless flyin' !FUCK! is that not applicable to this > > newsgroup? I got more for all of you, but I figured I'd stop... > > You are showing that you have little regard for ettiquette and the feelings > of many regulars to this group. No, I'm showing that you whining little bitches pissed me off. Regulars? I was here long before many of the "regulars" were.

<sigh> Wasn't a bitch about anything ,was just a suggestion/request was all. Sorry I ever brought the issue up. The way it was handled by John and some others shows the attitude and I should have known better than even mention it. "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Eldred tried, at one point to move the RASCAR discussion off this NG, > but was not successful because several of us (myself included) want to > use this NG. We can't create a new NG because there is no garuntee > that everyones news server will carry it. > > I really don't undestand why those of you that are so put out by > RASCAR posts don't just put it in a kill filter. I mean really, in > the time it took you to post and bitch about it you could have set it > up. > > It always amazes me when people take it upon themselves to bitch about > people posting ON TOPIC posts that they just happen not to care about. > I remember when CIV3 came out, and over on > comp.sys.ibm.games.strategic 90% of the posts were about.... CIV 3. > Of course several people had to bitch about that as well... what the > hell do you think these NG are for? > > Brian Oster > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:57:00 GMT, "Alan Bernardo" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>5) Stop whining and put RASCAR in your filter list. > > > >I got a better idea, why don't you stop whining and put every message but > >RASCAR in your filter list? > > > >You seem to think that you can say what you want where you want and how

you > >want, yet no one else can do that. > > > >Myself, I don't care about the RASCAR posts, though I've always wonderedwhy > >you guys don't have your own board or try to create your own usenetgroup. > > > >Does it take too much effort or is everyone too busy lining up ducks in > >order to implement such a plan? > > > >In the end if someone doesn't like the RASCAR posts, they could filter.But > >the proper thing to do would be for you guys to try to create a newusenet

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> >group or set up a board somewhere. > > > >But if domination and snootiness is the name of your game, then I suppose > >you'd keep on doing what your doing. > > > >Alanb > >"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> I was resisting the urge to say... > >> > >> "Bite me. I'll post what I want, when I want, where I want." > >> > >> ...but I think I hurt myself. > >> > >> > >> 1) This is R.A.S.. The messages I post are for the guys that race in > >> R.A.S.CAR. I don't think I need to point out the correlation, unless > >> of course we're dealing with someone out there that's a REAL slow > >> learner. > >> > >> 2) I tried a combined message, but I got exactly TWO responses. If > >> you noticed that I sent out at least a dozen specific requests for > >> information, you can obviously see that the unified message had no > >> noticeable effect. > >> > >> 3) I don't use Yahoo, AIM, ICQ, ICU, UC-ME, or any other cutsie > >> little program. Since I'm one of the admins (not to mention the one > >> with the sortest fuse), nobody else will use it for RASCAR stuff > >> either. > >> > >> 4) I'm not here to be anyone's friend. I'm here to get everyone's > >> ducks lined up in a neat little row, not to make sure I haven't > >> defaced anyone's sensitivities. God knows I got a lot of other > >> computer stuff I haave to do that doesn't even impact RASCAR. > >> > >> 5) Stop whining and put RASCAR in your filter list. > >> > >> 6) If you want some say as to what goes on in and around RASCAR, join > >> the group. Until then, STFU. > >> > >> > >> Oh yeah... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 7) Bite me. I'll post what I want, when I want, where I want. > >> > > >

Thanks again John. Sorry of you seen it as whining and that we are a bunch of bitches. All I asked was if you could maybe reduce the posts a bit out of respect for others not involved in RASCAR and you went ballistic about it calling people names and making threats. Sorry that respect to others is not a concern for you. As for being here before many of us that is pretty clear and always has been in this group, many people have given up posting here or feel intimidated because of this type of thing but perhaps that is the plan, to keep everyone in line and be the top dog. Anyway like I said I have no issues with some RASCAR posts, just all the individual ones seemed a bit much but again I don't see things changing so I will no longer bring up the issue and will limit my postings as much as possible and seek other forums to discuss sim matters. Best of luck and good day. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <b2etf0$1bo9bh$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > RASCAR is about a simulatror used by people that participate in > > > R.A.S. How the hopeless flyin' !FUCK! is that not applicable to this > > > newsgroup? I got more for all of you, but I figured I'd stop... > > > > You are showing that you have little regard for ettiquette and the

feelings > > of many regulars to this group. > > No, I'm showing that you whining little bitches pissed me off. > > Regulars? I was here long before many of the "regulars" were. >

On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:15:06 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I truly am easy going most of the time, but sometimes I just snap and lash >out. I've done that since childhood. I'm 33 now and I'm done making excuses >for it, it's just the way I am. I think I contribute positively to this >group most of the time, so those who like to benifit from that should be >able to take the odd wart now and again, IMO. Yeah..no mistake about that..you do contribute positively...which is why i was suprised by the one I'm 32 and have learned to resist most of my urges aswell...well...not really but hey i try;)

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>>me: >> then i suggest you search in the right way ..so go search >> again and this time do it right and you'll see i post regularly.. >> just the name 'willem' and this group's name under >> advanced will give you results... >I did, the most recent post for that screen name is dated May 13th last >year. There are more posts where willem occurs somewhere in the name, but it >would be non-sensical for me to assume these were all the same person.

Yep...most of em are mine..although i couldn't be bothered either to look further than the first page with results to check.. >>me: >> at least you can see what i posted from my windows box and >> i hope it makes you a more happy person knowing what i >> posted and when... >Frankly, I couldn't care less. Good..lol >Jan.

> 6) If you want some say as to what goes on in and around RASCAR, join > the group. Until then, STFU. > http://www.lyrics.jp/lyrics/D010200010001.asp

Ashley McConnell wrote: > > > 6) If you want some say as to what goes on in and around RASCAR, join > > the group. Until then, STFU. > > > > http://www.lyrics.jp/lyrics/D010200010001.asp ROFL, wish I had thought of that one Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

In article <KhL2a.360$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > <sigh> > Wasn't a bitch about anything ,was just a suggestion/request was all. Sorry > I ever brought the issue up. The way it was handled by John and some others > shows the attitude and I should have known better than even mention it. I ignored it until the 20th post about it. You guys complaining about it tripled the number of posts about RASCAR. Ain't that ironic...

John . Come On! Do you have to shit on everyones nest ? - i guess you do by your previous postings you have replyied with etc. Btw who cares what the fuck you do for rascar ! and if you have other things to do ( then do them ) As for Filtering - we should'nt have to filter anything ! John, why cant you make a web page with its own FORUM'S ? Would make it easier for all that are involved in Rascar ! ( or would this be too obvious to be a better solution than all this posting etc ? ) As for who was here in the news groups first - umm another who gives a shit ! (i would have thought all were welcome ! Also each should have there own opinion , but when asked from not just one but more people here ( nicely about slowing the posts down ) would this too much to ask to be polite to others here too ? Or is it all about YOU. Anyway thats my Bitch ! and i maybe a Bitch too , but then you are also a Bitch .

"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:etL2a.361$[email hidden]... > Thanks again John. Sorry of you seen it as whining and that we are abunch > of bitches. All I asked was if you could maybe reduce the posts a bit out > of respect for others not involved in RASCAR and you went ballistic aboutit

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> calling people names and making threats. Sorry that respect to others is > not a concern for you. As for being here before many of us that is pretty > clear and always has been in this group, many people have given up posting > here or feel intimidated because of this type of thing but perhaps that is > the plan, to keep everyone in line and be the top dog. > > Anyway like I said I have no issues with some RASCAR posts, just all the > individual ones seemed a bit much but again I don't see things changing so

I > will no longer bring up the issue and will limit my postings as much as > possible and seek other forums to discuss sim matters. Best of luck and > good day. > > I find the forums at racesimcentral being among the most friendly ones around. http://forum.racesimcentral.com/ Cheers!

**Throws John a piece of raw meat.** <VBG> -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those that get binary and those who don't" "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I was resisting the urge to say... > > "Bite me. I'll post what I want, when I want, where I want." > > ...but I think I hurt myself. > > > 1) This is R.A.S.. The messages I post are for the guys that race in > R.A.S.CAR. I don't think I need to point out the correlation, unless > of course we're dealing with someone out there that's a REAL slow > learner. > > 2) I tried a combined message, but I got exactly TWO responses. If > you noticed that I sent out at least a dozen specific requests for > information, you can obviously see that the unified message had no > noticeable effect. > > 3) I don't use Yahoo, AIM, ICQ, ICU, UC-ME, or any other cutsie > little program. Since I'm one of the admins (not to mention the one > with the sortest fuse), nobody else will use it for RASCAR stuff > either. > > 4) I'm not here to be anyone's friend. I'm here to get everyone's > ducks lined up in a neat little row, not to make sure I haven't > defaced anyone's sensitivities. God knows I got a lot of other > computer stuff I haave to do that doesn't even impact RASCAR. > > 5) Stop whining and put RASCAR in your filter list. > > 6) If you want some say as to what goes on in and around RASCAR, join > the group. Until then, STFU. > > > Oh yeah... > > > > > 7) Bite me. I'll post what I want, when I want, where I want. >

If people call you a grouch Jan then my ears are burning right now, hehe.. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KeK2a.47606$[email hidden]... > "willem" wrote... > > Maybe you should do somethign else with your time instead > > of nosing into how much and what other people posted, > > Gosh, I did a Google search... that's really gonna delay dinner aroundhere.

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> > > just maybe i've changed ISPs...and maybe my ID/nick is different > > under Linux and freeBSD and my system at work... than it is > > under this windows machine... > > Great, that annoys me too. > > > I see your "manners" are dropping to regular newsgroup > > levels... > > I already have a reputation for being a grouch, might as well live up to > it. > > > Don't assume someone is a lurker just because you can't find > > much on google...and if you feel the need to judge someone > > based on their posts... > > Whether you really lurk or not, you acted like one of these annoying "me > too" lurkers that seem to crawl out of the woodwork every time something > mildly controversial is said around here. That annoys the crap out of me. > Usually, I let it slide because after all there's no way to police what's > being posted here and getting upset about it just wasted energy, but, for > some reason, I just couldn't this time. > > I truly am easy going most of the time, but sometimes I just snap and lash > out. I've done that since childhood. I'm 33 now and I'm done making

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> for it, it's just the way I am. I think I contribute positively to this > group most of the time, so those who like to benifit from that should be > able to take the odd wart now and again, IMO. > > > then i suggest you search in the right way ..so go search > > again and this time do it right and you'll see i post regularly.. > > just the name 'willem' and this group's name under > > advanced will give you results... > > I did, the most recent post for that screen name is dated May 13th last > year. There are more posts where willem occurs somewhere in the name, but

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> would be non-sensical for me to assume these were all the same person. > > > at least you can see what i posted from my windows box and > > i hope it makes you a more happy person knowing what i > > posted and when... > > Frankly, I couldn't care less. > > Jan. > =--- > >

>I find the forums at racesimcentral being among the most friendly ones >around. >http://forum.racesimcentral.com/ True, other forums are available. However, some people(such as myself) can grab e-mail and newsgroup messages from here with one program, with an automatic download. Having to go to a totally different forum doesn't always work for people. I thought that marking posts with "RASCAR" was being considerate for people who wanted to filter those messages. Have I misunderstood? Contrary to John<g> my mission is NOT to piss off everyone... I've tried to find a solution that's fair and accessible to everyone. But as in MOST things, you'll never be able to please everyone. In other words, this is a no-win situation - someone will be upset at anything that happens. :( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>I remember when CIV3 came out, and over on >comp.sys.ibm.games.strategic 90% of the posts were about.... CIV 3. >Of course several people had to bitch about that as well... what the >hell do you think these NG are for? Hell, I've been LOOKING for info about CIV3...I'm not subscribed to that group... thanks! :) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> John, why cant you make a web page with its own FORUM'S ? Would make it >easier for all that are involved in Rascar ! Actually, no it wouldn't make it easier for everyone involved in RASCAR. See one of my previous posts. > ( or would this be too obvious >to be a better solution than all this posting etc ? ) I don't think there ARE any perfect solutions to this. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > > John, why cant you make a web page with its own FORUM'S ? Would make it > >easier for all that are involved in Rascar ! > > Actually, no it wouldn't make it easier for everyone involved in RASCAR. See > one of my previous posts. > > > ( or would this be too obvious > >to be a better solution than all this posting etc ? ) > > I don't think there ARE any perfect solutions to this.

Well, how about starting one RASCAR thread pr week and let all subsequent postings for that week go there, any decent news reader can sort by thread and people can just "mark thread read" or "ignore thread" "RASCAR week 9".....just a suggestion Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

The solutions are there Eldred. EZ. If youre not interested in RASCAR then don't read about it. How they decide to ignore is up to them :) "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > John, why cant you make a web page with its own FORUM'S ? Would makeit > >easier for all that are involved in Rascar ! > > Actually, no it wouldn't make it easier for everyone involved in RASCAR.See

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> one of my previous posts. > > > ( or would this be too obvious > >to be a better solution than all this posting etc ? ) > > I don't think there ARE any perfect solutions to this. > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-0.381 > MonsterRank: +339.873 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

>Well, how about starting one RASCAR thread pr week and let all >subsequent postings for that week go there, any decent news reader can >sort by thread and people can just "mark thread read" or "ignore thread" > >"RASCAR week 9".....just a suggestion That really depends on who posts first... :) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

RAScar does have it's own newsgroup. That's the point. RASCAR was borne out of rec.autos.simulators. It really is that simple. Larry "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:s3C2a.81386$tq4.3498@sccrnsc01... > >5) Stop whining and put RASCAR in your filter list. > > I got a better idea, why don't you stop whining and put every message but > RASCAR in your filter list? > > You seem to think that you can say what you want where you want and howyou > want, yet no one else can do that. > > Myself, I don't care about the RASCAR posts, though I've always wonderedwhy > you guys don't have your own board or try to create your own usenet group. > > Does it take too much effort or is everyone too busy lining up ducks in > order to implement such a plan? > > In the end if someone doesn't like the RASCAR posts, they could filter.But

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> the proper thing to do would be for you guys to try to create a new usenet > group or set up a board somewhere. > > But if domination and snootiness is the name of your game, then I suppose > you'd keep on doing what your doing. > > Alanb > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I was resisting the urge to say... > > > > "Bite me. I'll post what I want, when I want, where I want." > > > > ...but I think I hurt myself. > > > > > > 1) This is R.A.S.. The messages I post are for the guys that race in > > R.A.S.CAR. I don't think I need to point out the correlation, unless > > of course we're dealing with someone out there that's a REAL slow > > learner. > > > > 2) I tried a combined message, but I got exactly TWO responses. If > > you noticed that I sent out at least a dozen specific requests for > > information, you can obviously see that the unified message had no > > noticeable effect. > > > > 3) I don't use Yahoo, AIM, ICQ, ICU, UC-ME, or any other cutsie > > little program. Since I'm one of the admins (not to mention the one > > with the sortest fuse), nobody else will use it for RASCAR stuff > > either. > > > > 4) I'm not here to be anyone's friend. I'm here to get everyone's > > ducks lined up in a neat little row, not to make sure I haven't > > defaced anyone's sensitivities. God knows I got a lot of other > > computer stuff I haave to do that doesn't even impact RASCAR. > > > > 5) Stop whining and put RASCAR in your filter list. > > > > 6) If you want some say as to what goes on in and around RASCAR, join > > the group. Until then, STFU. > > > > > > Oh yeah... > > > > > > > > > > 7) Bite me. I'll post what I want, when I want, where I want. > > > >

It was just a suggestion as an alternative to RAS for guys like me. I'm spending much less time here nowadays. There are something about usenets rec.* forums and it's general attitude, which I don't like. I don't know why, but in the webforums people seems less elite, and much more polite. Maybe it's the smiley gif's that improves the tone? This is after all my free time, and I don't want to spend it arguing. :-) Regarding rascar; I don't mind most rascar posts Eldred :-) It's the military exercise spamming that's been increasing lately I'm opposing to. Cheers!

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>In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] says... >> Hi, >> >> Well...i am a nascar person and usually don't mind posts about >> whatever but, nothing personal, this RASCAR stuff is getting to be a >> serious annoyance in this newsgroup. And yes...r.a.s...rascar...lovely >> letter similarity but please start your own newsgroup...it's not that >> hard to do. > >Do yourself a favor and go back and read my posts again. Nothing's >gonna change what I post here or when. > >Once RASCAR gets going, you won't see many posts at all. > >

Absolutely John. Those complaining about all these RASCAR posts seem to be blissfully unaware of this. Ok, it's mildly inconvenient for some at worst, but I remember last year's RASCAR posts were few and far between and, although they are a little overdone, they will soon reduce back to last year's levels no doubt. What's all the fuss about? -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

"Jan Verschueren" wrote: > I'm 33 now... Bloody kids...

> <snip> this RASCAR stuff is getting to be a > serious annoyance in this newsgroup. Seems like saying that "I went to a motor club and they kept talking about the event they were organising and a number of the club members were going to race in"

"Tony Rickard" wrote... > > <Snip> > Bloody kids... Silly old gits... Jan. =---

>Regarding rascar; >I don't mind most rascar posts Eldred :-) >It's the military exercise spamming that's been increasing lately I'm >opposing to. Yeah, it goes in cycles... Depressing when the agruments start, but it will fade...I hope. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Keep this thread going guys. Its very entertaining. Its been a while since something has really amused me in this ng. I check the group daily just to see threads like this one. It starts my day with a good belly laugh. Steve

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> > > Well, how about starting one RASCAR thread pr week and let all > subsequent postings for that week go there, any decent news reader can > sort by thread and people can just "mark thread read" or "ignore thread" > > "RASCAR week 9".....just a suggestion

That won't work due to the nature of news servers. Threads could drop off in a matter of hours. It's not like web-based BBS's... Anyway, the point is fairly moot for the reasons I (and others) have already stated.

In article <a6O2a.2426$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > **Throws John a piece of raw meat.** <VBG> > :)

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> It was just a suggestion as an alternative to RAS for guys like me. > > I'm spending much less time here nowadays. There are something about usenets > rec.* forums and it's general attitude, which I don't like. > I don't know why, but in the webforums people seems less elite, and much > more polite. > > Maybe it's the smiley gif's that improves the tone? > This is after all my free time, and I don't want to spend it arguing. :-)

Actually, no - it only seems more polite because most BBS's are monitored and contolled by a small group of thought police. Everything is watered-down and sugar-coated to the point that if you held everyone's personality up to the light, they'd all be transparent. You might think that's fun, but I kind of enjoy the periodic anarchy that overwhelms usenet once in a while. As long as you're sufficiently self-depricating, everything remains cool, albeit on the edge of chaos. > Regarding rascar; > I don't mind most rascar posts Eldred :-) > It's the military exercise spamming that's been increasing lately I'm > opposing to. > It was not spamming. It was an attempt to get members attention because they ignored the all-for-one version of the same message posted earlier this week. And you know what? It worked. Nearly everyone has responded with their Sierra ID.

I'd just like to say that personally, I enjoy reading the RASCAR threads even if I don't race in it--there's usually something interesting/funny/whatever buried in them. :) ----------------------------------------- Dan Belcher Webmaster, http://simcrash.fameflame.dk

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <b2gt9h$1d3tq9$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > Actually, no - it only seems more polite because most BBS's are > monitored and contolled by a small group of thought police. > Everything is watered-down and sugar-coated to the point that if you > held everyone's personality up to the light, they'd all be > transparent.

Boy, you sure got that right! > You might think that's fun, but I kind of enjoy the periodic anarchy > that overwhelms usenet once in a while. As long as you're > sufficiently self-depricating, everything remains cool, albeit on the > edge of chaos. Interestingly, and well put I think :) -Larry

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <b2gt9h$1d3tq9$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > It was just a suggestion as an alternative to RAS for guys like me. > > > > I'm spending much less time here nowadays. There are something aboutusenets > > rec.* forums and it's general attitude, which I don't like. > > I don't know why, but in the webforums people seems less elite, and much > > more polite. > > > > Maybe it's the smiley gif's that improves the tone? > > This is after all my free time, and I don't want to spend it arguing.:-)

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> > > Actually, no - it only seems more polite because most BBS's are > monitored and contolled by a small group of thought police. > Everything is watered-down and sugar-coated to the point that if you > held everyone's personality up to the light, they'd all be > transparent.

Are you holding a grudge against a moderator? Do you really think a persons personality is the ability to fight verbally? The moderators are there to prevent guys from driving in the wrong direction, and restrict wreckers ability to ruin for others. > You might think that's fun, but I kind of enjoy the periodic anarchy > that overwhelms usenet once in a while. As long as you're > sufficiently self-depricating, everything remains cool, albeit on the > edge of chaos. > I don't drive Super Speedways on open servers.

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Ashley McConnell wrote: > > > > > 6) If you want some say as to what goes on in and around RASCAR, join > > > the group. Until then, STFU. > > > > > > > http://www.lyrics.jp/lyrics/D010200010001.asp > > ROFL, wish I had thought of that one > >

HOMER : "Its funny 'cause its true" <G>

On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:08:08 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >"Carl Ribbegaardh" wrote... >> Yes, now I remember why I left RASCAR.... > >Every league needs someone who's willing to be unpopular to keep things >running. I, for one, am glad John took/takes charge the way he did/does. >There would be no way for this thing to work without him. True, but I've been involved with good leagues with capable administrators that didn't feel like they were obligated to act like a jerk in public. IMO, I didn't think the RASCAR posts were out of line, but John is completely over the top (and not the first time) in his reaction to criticism. "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

He's talking about moderated online BBS's, not the race track :) Larry "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b2ic2r$1ddv2j$[email hidden]...

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> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <b2gt9h$1d3tq9$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > It was just a suggestion as an alternative to RAS for guys like me. > > > > > > I'm spending much less time here nowadays. There are something about > usenets > > > rec.* forums and it's general attitude, which I don't like. > > > I don't know why, but in the webforums people seems less elite, and

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> > > more polite. > > > > > > Maybe it's the smiley gif's that improves the tone? > > > This is after all my free time, and I don't want to spend it arguing. > :-) > > > > > > Actually, no - it only seems more polite because most BBS's are > > monitored and contolled by a small group of thought police. > > Everything is watered-down and sugar-coated to the point that if you > > held everyone's personality up to the light, they'd all be > > transparent. > > Are you holding a grudge against a moderator? > Do you really think a persons personality is the ability to fight

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> > The moderators are there to prevent guys from driving in the wrong > direction, and restrict wreckers ability to ruin for others. > > > > You might think that's fun, but I kind of enjoy the periodic anarchy > > that overwhelms usenet once in a while. As long as you're > > sufficiently self-depricating, everything remains cool, albeit on the > > edge of chaos. > > > > I don't drive Super Speedways on open servers. > >

So did I. ;-)

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> >> <snip> > True, but I've been involved with good leagues with > capable administrators that didn't feel like they were > obligated to act like a jerk in public. > > IMO, I didn't think the RASCAR posts were out of > line, but John is completely over the top (and not the > first time) in his reaction to criticism.

That's just John, tho'. You leave him time to cool down a bit and you can resume normal relations. Jan. =---

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> "Jeff Vincent" wrote... > > >> <snip> > > True, but I've been involved with good leagues with > > capable administrators that didn't feel like they were > > obligated to act like a jerk in public. > > > > IMO, I didn't think the RASCAR posts were out of > > line, but John is completely over the top (and not the > > first time) in his reaction to criticism. > > That's just John, tho'. You leave him time to cool down a bit and you can > resume normal relations. > > Jan. > =--- > > >

But like I've already said (at least twice) - I was fine until about the 20th "me-too" complaint. For anyone that knows me, that's way past my usual point of tolerance for bullshit.

"John Simmons" wrote... > <snip> > But like I've already said (at least twice) - I was fine > until about the 20th "me-too" complaint. For anyone that > knows me, that's way past my usual point of tolerance for > bullshit. No comment from me... my fuse was shorter than yours on that one. Jan. =---