I know this is off topic, but just in case anyone has missed it.
Take a look at the "new" GTO. Pontiac will be importing a honest to goodness
V8-Supercar for the American market. The car is based on the Monaro (I
think, perhaps an Australian car clarify it for me...).
If you are a fan of the V8 supercars, and thanks to SpeedTV more of us
Americans have the chance to become Supercar fans, this is just amazing
news. Since we can't import a "real" supercar into the states, I have tried,
I can't wait to get one of these.
www.pontiac.com has a flash presentation if you haven't seen this car yet.
Let's hope they switch the IROC series to these cars for next year. That
with some new tracks would make that an awesome series.
Opinions on the 2004 Pontiac GTO
A poster pointed out that Pontiac would sell a Holden Monaro-based GTO in the US. Opinions split over its styling, with Larry objecting that it was too expensive to deserve the GTO name. The thread drifted into nostalgia about old GM and Ford muscle cars.
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Automated summary.
you know it really looks like a new mustang with a funny grill :)
"cheeto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I know this is off topic, but just in case anyone has missed it.
> Take a look at the "new" GTO. Pontiac will be importing a honest togoodness
> V8-Supercar for the American market. The car is based on the Monaro (I
> think, perhaps an Australian car clarify it for me...).
> If you are a fan of the V8 supercars, and thanks to SpeedTV more of us
> Americans have the chance to become Supercar fans, this is just amazing
> news. Since we can't import a "real" supercar into the states, I havetried,
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> I can't wait to get one of these. > www.pontiac.com has a flash presentation if you haven't seen this car yet. > Let's hope they switch the IROC series to these cars for next year. That > with some new tracks would make that an awesome series. > > >
cheeto wrote:
....AussieV8's !!!
Oh, you were talking about a road car....doesn't matter, Holden rocks
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
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> > I know this is off topic, but just in case anyone has missed it. > Take a look at the "new" GTO. Pontiac will be importing a honest to goodness > V8-Supercar for the American market. The car is based on the Monaro (I > think, perhaps an Australian car clarify it for me...). > If you are a fan of the V8 supercars, and thanks to SpeedTV more of us > Americans have the chance to become Supercar fans, this is just amazing > news. Since we can't import a "real" supercar into the states, I have tried, > I can't wait to get one of these. > www.pontiac.com has a flash presentation if you haven't seen this car yet. > Let's hope they switch the IROC series to these cars for next year. That > with some new tracks would make that an awesome series.
jwilson wrote:
>
> you know it really looks like a new mustang with a funny grill :)
<shakes head in disbelief>
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
And if you really want to see something neat go to www.ford.com and look at
the mustang concept under auto shows
"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > > jwilson wrote: > > > > you know it really looks like a new mustang with a funny grill :) > > <shakes head in disbelief> > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--
jwilson wrote:
>
> And if you really want to see something neat go to www.ford.com and look at
> the mustang concept under auto shows
Uhm, I think you misunderstood my "disbelief"....:-)
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
"jwilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> And if you really want to see something neat go to www.ford.com and look at
> the mustang concept under auto shows
Looks like half old Nissan 300Z and Mercedes SLK thrown together.
The side profile is NOT flattering. Boxy flat and droll.
I love the 2005 Mustang concept.
Although I haven't seen the interior of the GTO... it is a Pontiac so it
will most likely be made of cheap feeling plastic, bad color lighting and
legos. <G>
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those that get binary and those who don't"
"jwilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> And if you really want to see something neat go to www.ford.com and look
at
> the mustang concept under auto shows
> "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> >
> >
> > jwilson wrote:
> > >
> > > you know it really looks like a new mustang with a funny grill :)
> >
> > <shakes head in disbelief>
> >
> >
> > Beers and cheers
> > (uncle) Goy
> > "goyl at nettx dot no"
> >
> > http://www.theuspits.com
> >
> > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> > --Groucho Marx--
>
>
"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> Uhm, I think you misunderstood my "disbelief"....:-)
>
Yeah, because there's no way Ford would make something as Butt-Ugly as a
Pontiac. ;P
I think Cadillac is the only make with an uglier lineup than Pontiac, heheh.
(Although that new GTO looks ok)
db
I have always been a fan of camaro's but especially late model camaros with
the ls1 engine. After they "discontinued" it 2002, I was wondering what they
down at GM were gonna put that baaadddd motor in besides the corvette. Now I
cant wait to see what kinda time and top speed this thing will have with a
supercharger.
here's a link to a f.i. ls1 gettin up and going.
http://www.ls1motorsports.com/home.asp
makes me shiver.
can't wait for some gto forums to start popping up.
"cheeto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I know this is off topic, but just in case anyone has missed it.
> Take a look at the "new" GTO. Pontiac will be importing a honest togoodness
> V8-Supercar for the American market. The car is based on the Monaro (I
> think, perhaps an Australian car clarify it for me...).
> If you are a fan of the V8 supercars, and thanks to SpeedTV more of us
> Americans have the chance to become Supercar fans, this is just amazing
> news. Since we can't import a "real" supercar into the states, I havetried,
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> I can't wait to get one of these. > www.pontiac.com has a flash presentation if you haven't seen this car yet. > Let's hope they switch the IROC series to these cars for next year. That > with some new tracks would make that an awesome series. > > >that shot from the back looks a lot like a toned down mustang with a ls1 in
it.
toned down body styling that is.
"jwilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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yet.
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> you know it really looks like a new mustang with a funny grill :) > "cheeto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:pDw4a.422892$[email hidden]... > > I know this is off topic, but just in case anyone has missed it. > > Take a look at the "new" GTO. Pontiac will be importing a honest to > goodness > > V8-Supercar for the American market. The car is based on the Monaro (I > > think, perhaps an Australian car clarify it for me...). > > If you are a fan of the V8 supercars, and thanks to SpeedTV more of us > > Americans have the chance to become Supercar fans, this is just amazing > > news. Since we can't import a "real" supercar into the states, I have > tried, > > I can't wait to get one of these. > > www.pontiac.com has a flash presentation if you haven't seen this carQuoted text (7 lines)
> > Let's hope they switch the IROC series to these cars for next year. That > > with some new tracks would make that an awesome series. > > > > > > > >
Dave Boyle wrote:
Shut up
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
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> > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Uhm, I think you misunderstood my "disbelief"....:-) > > > > Yeah, because there's no way Ford would make something as Butt-Ugly as a > Pontiac. ;P > > I think Cadillac is the only make with an uglier lineup than Pontiac, heheh. > > (Although that new GTO looks ok)HEY! No Pontiac is ever ugly (the Aztec doesn't count, YIKES!) My 2000
Grand Prix ROCKS! So did my grandfather's hand-me-down '76 Parisienne,
lol. Now that was a big car!
Dave Boyle wrote:
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> "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > >>Uhm, I think you misunderstood my "disbelief"....:-) >> > > > Yeah, because there's no way Ford would make something as Butt-Ugly as a > Pontiac. ;P > > I think Cadillac is the only make with an uglier lineup than Pontiac, heheh. > > > (Although that new GTO looks ok) > > > db > >I like it. To me it looks like a hybrid Grand Prix (grills, headlights,
hood contours)/Grand Am (rear end, rear quarter windows, roof line)
jon wrote:
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> I have always been a fan of camaro's but especially late model camaros with > the ls1 engine. After they "discontinued" it 2002, I was wondering what they > down at GM were gonna put that baaadddd motor in besides the corvette. Now I > cant wait to see what kinda time and top speed this thing will have with a > supercharger. > here's a link to a f.i. ls1 gettin up and going. > http://www.ls1motorsports.com/home.asp > makes me shiver. > can't wait for some gto forums to start popping up. > > "cheeto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:pDw4a.422892$[email hidden]... > >>I know this is off topic, but just in case anyone has missed it. >>Take a look at the "new" GTO. Pontiac will be importing a honest to > > goodness > >>V8-Supercar for the American market. The car is based on the Monaro (I >>think, perhaps an Australian car clarify it for me...). >>If you are a fan of the V8 supercars, and thanks to SpeedTV more of us >>Americans have the chance to become Supercar fans, this is just amazing >>news. Since we can't import a "real" supercar into the states, I have > > tried, > >>I can't wait to get one of these. >>www.pontiac.com has a flash presentation if you haven't seen this car yet. >>Let's hope they switch the IROC series to these cars for next year. That >>with some new tracks would make that an awesome series. >> >> >> > > > >On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:41:25 GMT, "Dave Boyle"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>Yeah, because there's no way Ford would make something as Butt-Ugly as a
>Pontiac. ;P
Who made the Taurus then? Or the Topaz (or whatever the hell that
ugly smaller Taurus was called). For that matter any Mustang made
since the early 80's when they decided to make it look like a big
Escort. =p
No offense meant to Ford, I mean the GT40 was nice and all, but
everything started going to hell with the Pinto and Escort really.
Jason
Holden is who makes the original RWD Aussie version of the new Grand Prix.
They use the tried and true 5.7L engine. As a side note, they also still
build the El Camino. Its called a Ute i believe (looks nice too) and of
course is available with a 350.
Don't forget the Ford Ka
"Brad Larocque" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I like it. To me it looks like a hybrid Grand Prix (grills, headlights,
> hood contours)/Grand Am (rear end, rear quarter windows, roof line)
>
with a corvette motor in it. wonder how its gonna handle.
cheeto wrote:
> Let's hope they switch the IROC series to these cars for next year. That
> with some new tracks would make that an awesome series.
More importantly, a template for NR03 for the road racing leagues. :-)
-jde
GMpartsguy wrote:
>
> Holden is who makes the original RWD Aussie version of the new Grand Prix.
> They use the tried and true 5.7L engine. As a side note, they also still
> build the El Camino. Its called a Ute i believe (looks nice too) and of
> course is available with a 350.
http://www.hsv.com.au/vy/1024/maloor8.html
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"
http://www.theuspits.com
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
I wish they would have used a different name. It doesn't stand for what the
GTO used to stand for.
Yeah, it has power. Have to give it that.
But it's EXPENSIVE, which right away takes it out of the reach of the type
of person that would have bought a GTO.
It's also limited edition.
And, frankly, I don't like the body style.
I'd spend twice as much for a 10-point 1967 GTO survivor car long before I'd
buy one of these.
I used to buy & restore GTO's in my younger days as a Mechanic. It's in my
blood, and I'll be damned hard to please with anything built today,
especially something like this that does not capture the true essence of the
original in any way except power.
Larry
"cheeto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I know this is off topic, but just in case anyone has missed it.
> Take a look at the "new" GTO. Pontiac will be importing a honest togoodness
> V8-Supercar for the American market. The car is based on the Monaro (I
> think, perhaps an Australian car clarify it for me...).
> If you are a fan of the V8 supercars, and thanks to SpeedTV more of us
> Americans have the chance to become Supercar fans, this is just amazing
> news. Since we can't import a "real" supercar into the states, I havetried,
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> I can't wait to get one of these. > www.pontiac.com has a flash presentation if you haven't seen this car yet. > Let's hope they switch the IROC series to these cars for next year. That > with some new tracks would make that an awesome series. > > >Yeah, she's a beauty :)
And they are finally getting rid of the old Fox platform they have been
using since, oh, 1979.
Larry
"jwilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> And if you really want to see something neat go to www.ford.com and lookat
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> the mustang concept under auto shows > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > jwilson wrote: > > > > > > you know it really looks like a new mustang with a funny grill :) > > > > <shakes head in disbelief> > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > (uncle) Goy > > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > > > http://www.theuspits.com > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > > --Groucho Marx-- > >Except for the Eldorado ETC. That is one fine looking set of wheels. I've
come SO close to being able to afford to lease one, or a year old one, but
every damned time I get close they crank up the price and I can't get there.
DAMMIT!
Larry
"Dave Boyle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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heheh.
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> > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Uhm, I think you misunderstood my "disbelief"....:-) > > > > Yeah, because there's no way Ford would make something as Butt-Ugly as a > Pontiac. ;P > > I think Cadillac is the only make with an uglier lineup than Pontiac,Quoted text (8 lines)
> > > (Although that new GTO looks ok) > > > db > >1987 was the absolute last year I could tolerate anything from GM Car wise.
1988 was when they went to the corporate-platform and the "Bug-Eyed" look as
well as all front wheel drive.
I've had a ton of Pontiac's in my day. A 65 Lemans, 65 GTO, 66 GTO and two
67 GTO's. A 74 Grand Prix. A 76 Grand Prix and an 81 Grand Prix. Then on
to a 96 Firebird, which was traded in on a 350cid V8 87 GTA Trans Am (first
year of the return of the 350).
The GTA was the last one I owned. To me, everything went to crap in 1988.
The 'Birds were ok until around 93 (?) I guess when they went to the new
roundy body style which I could not stand.
Larry
"Brad Larocque" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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heheh.
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> HEY! No Pontiac is ever ugly (the Aztec doesn't count, YIKES!) My 2000 > Grand Prix ROCKS! So did my grandfather's hand-me-down '76 Parisienne, > lol. Now that was a big car! > > Dave Boyle wrote: > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > >>Uhm, I think you misunderstood my "disbelief"....:-) > >> > > > > > > Yeah, because there's no way Ford would make something as Butt-Ugly as a > > Pontiac. ;P > > > > I think Cadillac is the only make with an uglier lineup than Pontiac,Quoted text (9 lines)
> > > > > > (Although that new GTO looks ok) > > > > > > db > > > > >The 2000 and up Taurus is not a bad looking car. I just traded one in
end-of-lease. The 96 through 99 models were god-awful ugly.
-Larry
"Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:41:25 GMT, "Dave Boyle" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Yeah, because there's no way Ford would make something as Butt-Ugly as a > >Pontiac. ;P > > Who made the Taurus then? Or the Topaz (or whatever the hell that > ugly smaller Taurus was called). For that matter any Mustang made > since the early 80's when they decided to make it look like a big > Escort. =p > > No offense meant to Ford, I mean the GT40 was nice and all, but > everything started going to hell with the Pinto and Escort really. > > JasonI like flat. I actually dislike the current-day 'aero' look of cars.
That's why the Cadillac Eldorado ETC is one of the last good-looking
American cars to me. It still has hints of the past in it with it's broad
rear shoulders and flat-sides and long, low hood.
-Larry
"ThrashATL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> "jwilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > And if you really want to see something neat go to www.ford.com and lookat
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> > the mustang concept under auto shows > > Looks like half old Nissan 300Z and Mercedes SLK thrown together. > The side profile is NOT flattering. Boxy flat and droll. > > > >Back in the 70's, I worked on a car called a "Beaumont" once. It was the
weirdest damned thing any of us had ever seen.
It was 1/2 Chevelle, and 1/2 Lemans. The body of the Chevelle and the
interior of a Lemans!
We later learned it was brought over from Austrailia.
I recently saw another one on a Speed TV show called My Classic Car. It was
the same weird car. Kind of cool though :) Beautiful shade of blue.
Larry
"GMpartsguy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Holden is who makes the original RWD Aussie version of the new Grand Prix.
> They use the tried and true 5.7L engine. As a side note, they also still
> build the El Camino. Its called a Ute i believe (looks nice too) and of
> course is available with a 350.
>
>
In article <S295a.44898$[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...
> The GTA was the last one I owned. To me, everything went to crap in 1988.
>
Yep. Not coincidentally this was the year that GM killed the Buick Grand
National/T-Type and they haven't produced a good 4-seat musclecar since.
I bought a '98 Pontiac Formula which had serious power but two kids
later, I've had to move to a "family" car, which kills me, although I do
like my Chrysler 300M. The GTO looks like it might be a good solution
for my next vehicle although I would really love a BMW M3 -- 333
horsepower and unmatched handling in a sinister looking package like
that (I'll take mine in black please) just can't be beat. Of course I
don't know if my wife would go for the payment on a $50,000 car ;-)
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I was going to mention that too :)
The Grand National was THE last true muscle car of it's kind. The Eldorado
ETC comes close to the definition (thought the FWD would have to go), but
the GNX was hot shit man.
Larry
"Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <S295a.44898$[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
> says...
> > The GTA was the last one I owned. To me, everything went to crap in1988.
