Radeons and GPL

I've experienced this same problem in GPL with both a Radeon 8500LE and now a Radeon 9700 Pro. It's a bit hard to describe, but portions of the track background - treetops in particular - are removed. For example, at Monza, on the main straight, entire portions of the stands are missing, tree tops are missing, almost all of the trees on the right hand side approaching the Curva Grande are gone, etc. I see similar discrepancies at the Ring and at other tracks, as well. The strange part about it is that it seems to come out of the blue. One day the tracks seem normal and the next they look as described above. So far, the only solution has been to re-install the video drivers. Could this problem stem from a power supply that's too weak? My present PSU is 300 Watts, but I'll be upgrading to a 450W PSU by the end of the week. Any other possibilities? I'm using the latest Cat3.1 drivers (but this happened with previous drivers, as well) on an overclocked Athlon XP2100, Radeon 9700 Pro (also slightly overclocked), 512 megs of PC2100 RAM and Win98SE. Anybody else experiencing this? I haven't noticed a problem in either NR2003 or GTR2002 -- just in GPL. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Bert

I've experienced this same problem in GPL with both a Radeon 8500LE and now a Radeon 9700 Pro. It's a bit hard to describe, but portions of the track background - treetops in particular - are removed. For example, at Monza, on the main straight, entire portions of the stands are missing, tree tops are missing, almost all of the trees on the right hand side approaching the Curva Grande are gone, etc. I see similar discrepancies at the Ring and at other tracks, as well. The strange part about it is that it seems to come out of the blue. One day the tracks seem normal and the next they look as described above. So far, the only solution has been to re-install the video drivers. Could this problem stem from a power supply that's too weak? My present PSU is 300 Watts, but I'll be upgrading to a 450W PSU by the end of the week. Any other possibilities? I'm using the latest Cat3.1 drivers (but this happened with previous drivers, as well) on an overclocked Athlon XP2100, Radeon 9700 Pro (also slightly overclocked), 512 megs of PC2100 RAM and Win98SE. Anybody else experiencing this? I haven't noticed a problem in either NR2003 or GTR2002 -- just in GPL. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Bert

A little more info to add.... The previous post was based on using D3D at 1024x768, Detail Slider on Full (2X AA; 4X AF). I'm running the Win98SE desktop at 1024x768, 32 bit. Playing around with the settings, I see that if I go back to the track selection screen, then use 640x480, everything is back to normal. But as soon as I switch the resolution back to 800x600 or 1024x768 (even with the Detail Slider on Minimum), the problem appears again. The videocard exhibits no problems (knock wood) with any other sim, so I'm really thinking that it might be a (lack of) power problem. Any thoughts? BRH wrote:

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> I've experienced this same problem in GPL with both a Radeon 8500LE and > now a Radeon 9700 Pro. It's a bit hard to describe, but portions of the > track background - treetops in particular - are removed. For example, > at Monza, on the main straight, entire portions of the stands are > missing, tree tops are missing, almost all of the trees on the right > hand side approaching the Curva Grande are gone, etc. I see similar > discrepancies at the Ring and at other tracks, as well. > > The strange part about it is that it seems to come out of the blue. One > day the tracks seem normal and the next they look as described above. > So far, the only solution has been to re-install the video drivers. > > Could this problem stem from a power supply that's too weak? My present > PSU is 300 Watts, but I'll be upgrading to a 450W PSU by the end of the > week. > > Any other possibilities? I'm using the latest Cat3.1 drivers (but this > happened with previous drivers, as well) on an overclocked Athlon > XP2100, Radeon 9700 Pro (also slightly overclocked), 512 megs of PC2100 > RAM and Win98SE. > > Anybody else experiencing this? I haven't noticed a problem in either > NR2003 or GTR2002 -- just in GPL. Any thoughts would be appreciated. > Bert

A little more info to add.... The previous post was based on using D3D at 1024x768, Detail Slider on Full (2X AA; 4X AF). I'm running the Win98SE desktop at 1024x768, 32 bit. Playing around with the settings, I see that if I go back to the track selection screen, then use 640x480, everything is back to normal. But as soon as I switch the resolution back to 800x600 or 1024x768 (even with the Detail Slider on Minimum), the problem appears again. The videocard exhibits no problems (knock wood) with any other sim, so I'm really thinking that it might be a (lack of) power problem. Any thoughts?

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> I've experienced this same problem in GPL with both a Radeon 8500LE and > now a Radeon 9700 Pro. It's a bit hard to describe, but portions of the > track background - treetops in particular - are removed. For example, > at Monza, on the main straight, entire portions of the stands are > missing, tree tops are missing, almost all of the trees on the right > hand side approaching the Curva Grande are gone, etc. I see similar > discrepancies at the Ring and at other tracks, as well. > The strange part about it is that it seems to come out of the blue. One > day the tracks seem normal and the next they look as described above. > So far, the only solution has been to re-install the video drivers. > Could this problem stem from a power supply that's too weak? My present > PSU is 300 Watts, but I'll be upgrading to a 450W PSU by the end of the > week. > Any other possibilities? I'm using the latest Cat3.1 drivers (but this > happened with previous drivers, as well) on an overclocked Athlon > XP2100, Radeon 9700 Pro (also slightly overclocked), 512 megs of PC2100 > RAM and Win98SE. > Anybody else experiencing this? I haven't noticed a problem in either > NR2003 or GTR2002 -- just in GPL. Any thoughts would be appreciated. > Bert

On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 02:19:25 GMT, BRH <"bertrh<no-spam>"@attbi.com> wrote something like this: >I've experienced this same problem in GPL with both a Radeon 8500LE and >now a Radeon 9700 Pro. It's a bit hard to describe, but portions of the >track background - treetops in particular - are removed. For example, On my R8500LE the problem is that some of the track side textures are transparent... I'm using D3D in GPL and Cat 3.1 drivers for WinXP. -- - JKo -

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> > A little more info to add.... The previous post was based on using D3D at > 1024x768, Detail Slider on Full (2X AA; 4X AF). I'm running the Win98SE > desktop at 1024x768, 32 bit. > > Playing around with the settings, I see that if I go back to the track > selection screen, then use 640x480, everything is back to normal. But as > soon as I switch the resolution back to 800x600 or 1024x768 (even with the > Detail Slider on Minimum), the problem appears again. > > The videocard exhibits no problems (knock wood) with any other sim, so I'm > really thinking that it might be a (lack of) power problem. Any thoughts?

Definitely not a power problem, that would cause system reboots. I'd say it's a problem with the ATI drivers. I've heard they have trouble with 16bit textures, but not on every system! My 9700 arrives tomorrow, so I'll let you know how I get on. Can you do me a favour, *only if your monitor can handle it* run at 1200x1600 with FSAA off, and let me know if the problem goes away. Cheers Gerry

I am experiencing the transparent textures at the side of the track at Monza, but no where else that I can find so far. Haven't tried the Ring that was mentioned elsewhere. It is quite bizarre. I am going to try turning off AA and then start playing with filtering and LOD settings to see what happens. 9700 Pro, latest 3.1 drivers Marc "Jussi Koukku" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 02:19:25 GMT, BRH <"bertrh<no-spam>"@attbi.com> > wrote something like this: > > >I've experienced this same problem in GPL with both a Radeon 8500LE and > >now a Radeon 9700 Pro. It's a bit hard to describe, but portions of the > >track background - treetops in particular - are removed. For example, > > On my R8500LE the problem is that some of the track side textures are > transparent... I'm using D3D in GPL and Cat 3.1 drivers for WinXP. > -- > - JKo -

Nothing that I can adjust has any effect on the transparency. And by the way, the frame rates in GPL with this card suck. My GeForce2 GTS Ultra from 2 years ago was better in either D3D or OpenGL. Marc "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c4R6a.8254$[email hidden]... > I am experiencing the transparent textures at the side of the track at > Monza, but no where else that I can find so far. Haven't tried the Ring > that was mentioned elsewhere. It is quite bizarre. I am going to try > turning off AA and then start playing with filtering and LOD settings tosee

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> what happens. > > 9700 Pro, latest 3.1 drivers > > Marc > > > "Jussi Koukku" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 02:19:25 GMT, BRH <"bertrh<no-spam>"@attbi.com> > > wrote something like this: > > > > >I've experienced this same problem in GPL with both a Radeon 8500LE and > > >now a Radeon 9700 Pro. It's a bit hard to describe, but portions of

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> > >track background - treetops in particular - are removed. For example, > > > > On my R8500LE the problem is that some of the track side textures are > > transparent... I'm using D3D in GPL and Cat 3.1 drivers for WinXP. > > -- > > - JKo - > >

Gerry Aitken wrote: > Can you do me a favour, *only if your monitor can handle it* run at > 1200x1600 with FSAA off, and let me know if the problem goes away. > > Gerry, Unfortunately my monitor will only go to 1280x1024, so I couldn't run your test. BUT, I THINK that I MAY have stumbled onto a work-around. [This works at all resolutions on my system]. Go into the ATI Display Properties/Advanced Properties to the D3D tab. Slide the 'Texture Preference' Slider all the way to the left (to High Performance). No matter what your other settings are, this one is the key. The problem went away for me, even though I was still running at 1024x768, with 2XAA and 4XAF, as long as this slider was all the way to the left. With this slider at any other setting, the problem came right back (except at 640x480, No AA, No AF). I have only tested this at Monza, but that's where the problem was most obvious on my system. It was also evident at the Ring, but I have not tested this solution there yet. I hope this helps everyone..... Please try this and report back here.... Bert

> Can you do me a favour, *only if your monitor can handle it* run at > 1200x1600 with FSAA off, and let me know if the problem goes away. Gerry, Unfortunately my monitor will only go to 1280x1024, so I couldn't run your test. BUT, I THINK that I MAY have stumbled onto a work-around. [This works at all resolutions on my system]. Go into the ATI Display Properties/Advanced Properties to the D3D tab. Slide the 'Texture Preference' Slider all the way to the left (to High Performance). No matter what your other settings are, this one is the key. The problem went away for me, even though I was still running at 1024x768, with 2XAA and 4XAF, as long as this slider was all the way to the left. With this slider at any other setting, the problem came right back (except at 640x480, No AA, No AF). I have only tested this at Monza, but that's where the problem was most obvious on my system. It was also evident at the Ring, but I have not tested this solution there yet. I hope this helps everyone..... Please try this and report back here.... Bert

Interesting. I got 5 times sharper textures in NR2003 by moving the slider just one notch to the left from Full Quality. Opposite of what you would expect. I'll try all the way to Performance since I am having the bizarre Monza problems, too. Marc "BRH @attbi.com>" <"bertrh<no-spam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Gerry Aitken wrote: > > > Can you do me a favour, *only if your monitor can handle it* run at > > 1200x1600 with FSAA off, and let me know if the problem goes away. > > > > > > Gerry, Unfortunately my monitor will only go to 1280x1024, so I couldn't

run > your test. BUT, I THINK that I MAY have stumbled onto a work-around.[This > works at all resolutions on my system]. > > Go into the ATI Display Properties/Advanced Properties to the D3D tab.Slide > the 'Texture Preference' Slider all the way to the left (to HighPerformance). > No matter what your other settings are, this one is the key. The problemwent > away for me, even though I was still running at 1024x768, with 2XAA and4XAF, as > long as this slider was all the way to the left. With this slider at anyother > setting, the problem came right back (except at 640x480, No AA, No AF). Ihave > only tested this at Monza, but that's where the problem was most obviouson my > system. It was also evident at the Ring, but I have not tested thissolution

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> there yet. > > I hope this helps everyone..... Please try this and report back here.... > > Bert > >

Moving slider all the way to Performance fixes Monza problems here. Now to see if it ruins anything else! Marc "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cHV6a.3027$[email hidden]... > Interesting. I got 5 times sharper textures in NR2003 by moving theslider

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> just one notch to the left from Full Quality. Opposite of what you would > expect. I'll try all the way to Performance since I am having the bizarre > Monza problems, too. > > Marc > > "BRH @attbi.com>" <"bertrh<no-spam> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Gerry Aitken wrote: > > > > > Can you do me a favour, *only if your monitor can handle it* run at > > > 1200x1600 with FSAA off, and let me know if the problem goes away. > > > > > > > > > > Gerry, Unfortunately my monitor will only go to 1280x1024, so I couldn't > run > > your test. BUT, I THINK that I MAY have stumbled onto a work-around. > [This > > works at all resolutions on my system]. > > > > Go into the ATI Display Properties/Advanced Properties to the D3D tab. > Slide > > the 'Texture Preference' Slider all the way to the left (to High > Performance). > > No matter what your other settings are, this one is the key. The

problem > went > > away for me, even though I was still running at 1024x768, with 2XAA and > 4XAF, as > > long as this slider was all the way to the left. With this slider atany > other > > setting, the problem came right back (except at 640x480, No AA, No AF).I

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> have > > only tested this at Monza, but that's where the problem was most obvious > on my > > system. It was also evident at the Ring, but I have not tested this > solution > > there yet. > > > > I hope this helps everyone..... Please try this and report back

here.... > > > > Bert > > > > > >

Great....NR2003 now has intermittent corrupted graphics :( Marc "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jRV6a.3030$[email hidden]...

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> Moving slider all the way to Performance fixes Monza problems here. > > Now to see if it ruins anything else! > > Marc > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cHV6a.3027$[email hidden]... > > Interesting. I got 5 times sharper textures in NR2003 by moving the > slider > > just one notch to the left from Full Quality. Opposite of what you

would > > expect. I'll try all the way to Performance since I am having thebizarre

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> > Monza problems, too. > > > > Marc > > > > "BRH @attbi.com>" <"bertrh<no-spam> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > Gerry Aitken wrote: > > > > > > > Can you do me a favour, *only if your monitor can handle it* run at > > > > 1200x1600 with FSAA off, and let me know if the problem goes away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gerry, Unfortunately my monitor will only go to 1280x1024, so I

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> > run > > > your test. BUT, I THINK that I MAY have stumbled onto a work-around. > > [This > > > works at all resolutions on my system]. > > > > > > Go into the ATI Display Properties/Advanced Properties to the D3D tab. > > Slide > > > the 'Texture Preference' Slider all the way to the left (to High > > Performance). > > > No matter what your other settings are, this one is the key. The > problem > > went > > > away for me, even though I was still running at 1024x768, with 2XAA

and > > 4XAF, as > > > long as this slider was all the way to the left. With this slider at > any > > other > > > setting, the problem came right back (except at 640x480, No AA, NoAF). > I > > have > > > only tested this at Monza, but that's where the problem was mostobvious

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> > on my > > > system. It was also evident at the Ring, but I have not tested this > > solution > > > there yet. > > > > > > I hope this helps everyone..... Please try this and report back > here.... > > > > > > Bert > > > > > > > > > > > >

Marc Collins wrote: > > Nothing that I can adjust has any effect on the transparency. > > And by the way, the frame rates in GPL with this card suck. My GeForce2 GTS > Ultra from 2 years ago was better in either D3D or OpenGL. That would be your system then, as there are many reports of great performance with this card in GPL. Gerry

Really--where? The OpenGL support is so appalling as to not be worth discussing and D3D frame rates are well below other titles. The hardware is nice, but support for GPL is poor. Support for OpenGL is poor. And lots of minor problems with other titles, too. The fact that the card flies in some titles doesn't mean it works well in GPL. I can run 100% full everything with my GeForce4 and still have acceptable (32+) frame rates at the back of a full field online start. Show me a Radeon anything that can do that--they haven't invented a CPU fast enough to overcome whatever bottleneck is occurring in the GPL D3D rasterizer. Marc "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Marc Collins wrote: > > > > Nothing that I can adjust has any effect on the transparency. > > > > And by the way, the frame rates in GPL with this card suck. My GeForce2GTS > > Ultra from 2 years ago was better in either D3D or OpenGL. > > That would be your system then, as there are many reports of great > performance with this card in GPL. > > Gerry

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> > Really--where? The OpenGL support is so appalling as to not be worth > discussing and D3D frame rates are well below other titles. The hardware is > nice, but support for GPL is poor. Support for OpenGL is poor. And lots of > minor problems with other titles, too. The fact that the card flies in some > titles doesn't mean it works well in GPL. > > I can run 100% full everything with my GeForce4 and still have acceptable > (32+) frame rates at the back of a full field online start. Show me a > Radeon anything that can do that--they haven't invented a CPU fast enough to > overcome whatever bottleneck is occurring in the GPL D3D rasterizer.

What CPU are you running?

I have a lowly P4 2.0, but I am basing my opinion on discussion over at RaceSim Central Forums and here at r.a.s., not just my own box. Marc "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Marc Collins wrote: > > > > Really--where? The OpenGL support is so appalling as to not be worth > > discussing and D3D frame rates are well below other titles. Thehardware is > > nice, but support for GPL is poor. Support for OpenGL is poor. Andlots of > > minor problems with other titles, too. The fact that the card flies insome > > titles doesn't mean it works well in GPL. > > > > I can run 100% full everything with my GeForce4 and still haveacceptable > > (32+) frame rates at the back of a full field online start. Show me a > > Radeon anything that can do that--they haven't invented a CPU fastenough to > > overcome whatever bottleneck is occurring in the GPL D3D rasterizer. > > What CPU are you running?

Marc Collins wrote: > > I have a lowly P4 2.0, but I am basing my opinion on discussion over at > RaceSim Central Forums and here at r.a.s., not just my own box. You seem to have negated the fact that many people at RSC have got the radeon working really well with GPL. Are you one of the ones who, after five minutes, reinstalled their Geforce card and started crying about it?

Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> Marc Collins wrote: > > > > I have a lowly P4 2.0, but I am basing my opinion on discussion over at > > RaceSim Central Forums and here at r.a.s., not just my own box. > > You seem to have negated the fact that many people at RSC have got the > radeon working really well with GPL. Are you one of the ones who, after > five minutes, reinstalled their Geforce card and started crying about > it?

My Radeon 8500 works perfectly fine in GPL with the latest Papy Direct3D patch. The GPL OpenGL patch was designed only for Nvidia cards so it is not going to work on the Radeon. Jon Ferraez JF Carsets for GPL

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> Really--where? The OpenGL support is so appalling as to not be worth > discussing and D3D frame rates are well below other titles. The hardware is > nice, but support for GPL is poor. Support for OpenGL is poor. And lots of > minor problems with other titles, too. The fact that the card flies in some > titles doesn't mean it works well in GPL. > > Marc

Actually the ATI Radeon 8500/9700 cards have very good OpenGL support. The GPL OpenGL patch was designed only for Nvidia cards that is why it doesn't work on the Radeon. Any other OpenGL game will fly on the Radeon 8500/9700. Read some of the ATI reviews on anandtech.com and tomshardware.com to find that out. Saying the Radeon has poor OpenGL is just not true.. in the case of GPL that is a known fact that the OpenGL patch was designed only for Nvidia cards. Jon Ferraez JF Carsets for GPL

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> I am experiencing the transparent textures at the side of the track at > Monza, but no where else that I can find so far. Haven't tried the Ring > that was mentioned elsewhere. It is quite bizarre. I am going to try > turning off AA and then start playing with filtering and LOD settings to see > what happens. > > 9700 Pro, latest 3.1 drivers > > Marc

Transparent textures at the side of the track/screen come from the Catalyst 3.1 drivers.. that is a issue with the new 3.1 drivers. Go back to the Catalyst 3.0 or 2.5 drivers and the transparent textures on the side of the track/screen will go away. Jon Ferraez JF Carsets for GPL

But, for many of us, going back to 3.0 means that you can't run the road courses in NR2003. So, I guess it's a question of what's more important to you. To me, pending a new driver update that fixes EVERYTHING, it's a relatively simple matter to move the Texture Preference slider all the way left when running GPL, and moving it back all the way right when running anything else....... Bert Jon Ferraez wrote:

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> "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<c4R6a.8254$[email hidden]>... > > I am experiencing the transparent textures at the side of the track at > > Monza, but no where else that I can find so far. Haven't tried the Ring > > that was mentioned elsewhere. It is quite bizarre. I am going to try > > turning off AA and then start playing with filtering and LOD settings to see > > what happens. > > > > 9700 Pro, latest 3.1 drivers > > > > Marc > > Transparent textures at the side of the track/screen come from the > Catalyst 3.1 drivers.. that is a issue with the new 3.1 drivers. Go > back to the Catalyst 3.0 or 2.5 drivers and the transparent textures > on the side of the track/screen will go away. > > Jon Ferraez > JF Carsets for GPL

But, for many of us, going back to 3.0 means that you can't run the road courses in NR2003. So, I guess it's a question of what's more important to you. To me, pending a new driver update that fixes EVERYTHING, it's a relatively simple matter to move the Texture Preference slider all the way left when running GPL, and moving it back all the way right when running anything else....... Bert

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> > I am experiencing the transparent textures at the side of the track at > > Monza, but no where else that I can find so far. Haven't tried the Ring > > that was mentioned elsewhere. It is quite bizarre. I am going to try > > turning off AA and then start playing with filtering and LOD settings to see > > what happens. > > 9700 Pro, latest 3.1 drivers > > Marc > Transparent textures at the side of the track/screen come from the > Catalyst 3.1 drivers.. that is a issue with the new 3.1 drivers. Go > back to the Catalyst 3.0 or 2.5 drivers and the transparent textures > on the side of the track/screen will go away. > Jon Ferraez > JF Carsets for GPL

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> > Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > > Marc Collins wrote: > > > > > > I have a lowly P4 2.0, but I am basing my opinion on discussion over at > > > RaceSim Central Forums and here at r.a.s., not just my own box. > > > > You seem to have negated the fact that many people at RSC have got the > > radeon working really well with GPL. Are you one of the ones who, after > > five minutes, reinstalled their Geforce card and started crying about > > it? > > My Radeon 8500 works perfectly fine in GPL with the latest Papy > Direct3D patch. The GPL OpenGL patch was designed only for Nvidia > cards so it is not going to work on the Radeon. > > Jon Ferraez > JF Carsets for GPL

Hi Jon I can now confirm that I too have a Radeon 9700 running GPL at 1200x1600, everything on full, 4xFSAA, 16x Aniso, latest GPLEA cars and 16bit tracks, giving me 35FPS BOG at Monaco! Gerry

Marc Collins wrote: > Really--where? RSC and now from my own experience I know it works. > The OpenGL support is so appalling as to not be worth > discussing and D3D frame rates are well below other titles. Rubbish! Works great with IL2 in opengl. > The hardware is > nice, but support for GPL is poor. Rubbish! Works fine on my system. Your PC is badly configured! > Support for OpenGL is poor. And lots of > minor problems with other titles, too. No problems here. > The fact that the card flies in some > titles doesn't mean it works well in GPL. But I DOES work with GPL, just not on your system. > I can run 100% full everything with my GeForce4 and still have acceptable > (32+) frame rates at the back of a full field online start. Show me a > Radeon anything that can do that--they haven't invented a CPU fast enough to > overcome whatever bottleneck is occurring in the GPL D3D rasterizer. See my other post, and eat your words!! I bet you didn't properly clear your system of detonator drivers.

> Really--where? RSC and now from my own experience I know it works. Rubbish! Works great with IL2 in opengl. Rubbish! Works fine on my system. Your PC is badly configured! No problems here. But I DOES work with GPL, just not on your system. See my other post, and eat your words!! I bet you didn't properly clear your system of detonator drivers.

Gerry Aitken <g.aitken@ntlworld.

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> > I can now confirm that I too have a Radeon 9700 running GPL at > 1200x1600, everything on full, 4xFSAA, 16x Aniso, latest GPLEA cars > and 16bit tracks, giving me 35FPS BOG at Monaco! > > Gerry >

Which drivers are you using and do you get those transparent textures at trackside like the other Radeon users have mentioned? dave henrie

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> > Gerry Aitken <g.aitken@ntlworld. > > > > I can now confirm that I too have a Radeon 9700 running GPL at > > 1200x1600, everything on full, 4xFSAA, 16x Aniso, latest GPLEA cars > > and 16bit tracks, giving me 35FPS BOG at Monaco! > > > > Gerry > > > > Which drivers are you using and do you get those transparent textures at > trackside like the other Radeon users have mentioned? > dave henrie

Hi Dave Catalyst 3.1, and very surprised to see NO transparent textures! Word of warning though, you MUST turn off the connection meters when online as they kill the frame rate by 33%. Gerry

I'm afraid I have to second Gerry. IL2 looks much better with the 9700 Pro and is at the same time faster than with a GF4-4600. And, you can use OpenGL without a problem, it's still faster and looks better than with the GF4-4600. As for GPL, I'm using 1280x1024 with 4xAA and 8xAniso. It never leaves the 36fps mark, and there are no graphics errors. That was the same I got with the GF4. but the Radeon's got a better 3d image quality and much better AA. However, the Radeon is IMO more difficult to configure than the GF4-4600. The GF4 on my system was plug and play - plug in, set to max quality, and have fun. With the Radeon, I had to battle stutters in online gaming with IL2. The stutters went away with the new Catalyst drivers (Feb. 10), as these are now so fast in OpenGL that you can use OpenGL with IL2 at high quality settings and get flawless fps. I still get moderate stutters online in D3D in IL2. It is also important to clear out the Nvidia drivers well, especially in Win9x (I did it in Safe Mode, installed Default PCI VGA card drivers for the GF4, deinstalled Nvidia drivers using Nvidia's own deinstaller, and then check the Registry for remainders), and to make sure you have nothing running in the background. Anything running in the background, even if it doesn't do anything, can lead to stutters. Achim

Continuing saga of Radion 9500 Pro: Sent the card back, got new card. This one won't even boot Win2K! Got a new motherboard. No help, so that was wasted. Strangely, it WILL boot a laptop! Power supply is 300W, maybe that isn't enough. When the card is removed, system boots OK on the mobo card. Am I doomed forever not to play accelerated sims? SPS

You do disable the mobo card in the bios when using the Radeon I suppose, otherwise you could end up with an oldfashioned hardware conflict. Had lots of ATI trouble myself so now I swear by Nvidia stuff, always worked for me, never had real troubles... On Wed, 05 Mar 2003 06:34:22 GMT, Samuel Senior <[email hidden]> wrote: >Continuing saga of Radion 9500 Pro: Sent the card back, got new card. >This one won't even boot Win2K! Got a new motherboard. No help, so >that was wasted. Strangely, it WILL boot a laptop! Power supply is >300W, maybe that isn't enough. When the card is removed, system boots >OK on the mobo card. Am I doomed forever not to play accelerated sims? >SPS

Samuel Senior <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > Continuing saga of Radion 9500 Pro: Sent the card back, got new card. > This one won't even boot Win2K! Got a new motherboard. No help, so > that was wasted. Strangely, it WILL boot a laptop! Power supply is > 300W, maybe that isn't enough. When the card is removed, system boots > OK on the mobo card. Am I doomed forever not to play accelerated sims? > SPS My son has a 9500 pro with a 300w power supply. Assuming yours is of decent quality, then it should work. dave henrie

On Wed, 05 Mar 2003 14:45:24 GMT, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Samuel Senior <[email hidden]> wrote in >news:[email hidden]: > >> Continuing saga of Radion 9500 Pro: Sent the card back, got new card. >> This one won't even boot Win2K! Got a new motherboard. No help, so >> that was wasted. Strangely, it WILL boot a laptop! Power supply is >> 300W, maybe that isn't enough. When the card is removed, system boots >> OK on the mobo card. Am I doomed forever not to play accelerated sims? >> SPS > > My son has a 9500 pro with a 300w power supply. Assuming yours is of >decent quality, then it should work. >dave henrie

That's encouraging. Haven't found solution yet. My son is a software engineer. He is stumped. He links it's bios related. Hey, Portland isn't that far from Spokane, how about coming down here and fix it for me? Food and lodging provided! SPS

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> On Wed, 05 Mar 2003 14:45:24 GMT, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> > wrote: > >>Samuel Senior <[email hidden]> wrote in >>news:[email hidden]: >> >>> Continuing saga of Radion 9500 Pro: Sent the card back, got new card. >>> This one won't even boot Win2K! Got a new motherboard. No help, so >>> that was wasted. Strangely, it WILL boot a laptop! Power supply is >>> 300W, maybe that isn't enough. When the card is removed, system boots >>> OK on the mobo card. Am I doomed forever not to play accelerated sims? >>> SPS >> >> My son has a 9500 pro with a 300w power supply. Assuming yours is of >>decent quality, then it should work. >>dave henrie > > That's encouraging. Haven't found solution yet. My son is a software > engineer. He is stumped. He links it's bios related. Hey, Portland > isn't that far from Spokane, how about coming down here and fix it for > me? Food and lodging provided! SPS >

I do that stuff locally for friends of my wife...I have no friends...but don't tell Goy what I charge. A 12pack of Diet Coke 12oz cans. That's right, one half rack of DC for as many trips to your house it would take. And they say America isn't the land of opportunity any more.... dave henrie

On Fri, 07 Mar 2003 01:54:19 GMT, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Samuel Senior <[email hidden]> wrote in >news:[email hidden]: > >> On Wed, 05 Mar 2003 14:45:24 GMT, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >>>Samuel Senior <[email hidden]> wrote in >>>news:[email hidden]: >>> >>>> Continuing saga of Radion 9500 Pro: Sent the card back, got new card. >>>> This one won't even boot Win2K! Got a new motherboard. No help, so >>>> that was wasted. Strangely, it WILL boot a laptop! Power supply is >>>> 300W, maybe that isn't enough. When the card is removed, system boots >>>> OK on the mobo card. Am I doomed forever not to play accelerated sims? >>>> SPS >>> >>> My son has a 9500 pro with a 300w power supply. Assuming yours is of >>>decent quality, then it should work. >>>dave henrie >> >> That's encouraging. Haven't found solution yet. My son is a software >> engineer. He is stumped. He thinks it's bios related. Hey, Portland >> isn't that far from Spokane, how about coming down here and fix it for >> me? Food and lodging provided! SPS >> > > I do that stuff locally for friends of my wife...I have no friends...but >don't tell Goy what I charge. A 12pack of Diet Coke 12oz cans. That's >right, one half rack of DC for as many trips to your house it would take. >And they say America isn't the land of opportunity any more.... >dave henrie

I'll have a wheelbarrow full of diet coke waiting. I doubt you can claim you have no friends. You have been ready with suggestions for a lot of people. That doesn't create enemies! I'm suspicious of the power supply, as some people say they fade with time. Maybe next move is to get one that will crank a Harley. Cheers, Sam