Ok, what's wrong with my setup?

I gor the Ti4600 video card so that I could run N2003. It does, and it seems pretty smooth(for the short time I was in the race). But, my GPL performance has suffered. Now I'm getting FPS down to 24 even though my V5 was pegged at 36. Why should a much better card run SLOWER? I downloaded and installed the D3D patch, and that didn't help. Athlon 1.2G, 384MB ram, win98se. Drivers are 4.13.01.4230. I'll admit that I never paid attention to previous discussions about drivers because I knew I couldn't afford a new video card then... Help? Also, someone earlier mentioned poly rate in N2003. Mine is 157.02, if that helps troubleshoot. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Eldred ,first things first---Did you do a fresh windows install? If not I would definetly start there. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I gor the Ti4600 video card so that I could run N2003. It does, and itseems > pretty smooth(for the short time I was in the race). But, my GPLperformance > has suffered. Now I'm getting FPS down to 24 even though my V5 was peggedat > 36. Why should a much better card run SLOWER? I downloaded and installedthe > D3D patch, and that didn't help. Athlon 1.2G, 384MB ram, win98se.Drivers are > 4.13.01.4230. I'll admit that I never paid attention to previousdiscussions > about drivers because I knew I couldn't afford a new video card then... > Help? > Also, someone earlier mentioned poly rate in N2003. Mine is 157.02, ifthat

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> helps troubleshoot. > > Eldred > > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.680 > MonsterRank: +334.169 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

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why don't you run GPL in OpenGL mode and see if you have a difference between D3D and openGL ? -- The first ever pinball ezboard !! http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball SYS80 : BLK HOLE - HNTD HSE - SPRIT - VOLCNO - PNK PNTHER - DEVLS DARE - RYL FLSH DLX - SPDERMAN - CHRLIE'S NGELS - TX SCTOR - MRS GOW - RBO WARS BALLY : XENN - EGHT BLL - EGHT BLL CHMP - PACMN - SPKEASY 4 - STRKES N SPRES - SPCE INVDERS - FTRE SPA - LADY LCK - PRAGON WILLIAMS : BLCKOUT - CNTACT - ADDMS FAMLY "EldredP" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: [email hidden]... > I gor the Ti4600 video card so that I could run N2003. It does, and it seems > pretty smooth(for the short time I was in the race). But, my GPL performance > has suffered. Now I'm getting FPS down to 24 even though my V5 was pegged at > 36. Why should a much better card run SLOWER? I downloaded and installed the > D3D patch, and that didn't help. Athlon 1.2G, 384MB ram, win98se. Drivers are > 4.13.01.4230. I'll admit that I never paid attention to previous discussions > about drivers because I knew I couldn't afford a new video card then... > Help? > Also, someone earlier mentioned poly rate in N2003. Mine is 157.02, if that > helps troubleshoot. > > Eldred > > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.680 > MonsterRank: +334.169 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Two words, Eldred: Open GL. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I gor the Ti4600 video card so that I could run N2003. It does, and itseems > pretty smooth(for the short time I was in the race). But, my GPLperformance > has suffered. Now I'm getting FPS down to 24 even though my V5 was peggedat > 36. Why should a much better card run SLOWER? I downloaded and installedthe > D3D patch, and that didn't help. Athlon 1.2G, 384MB ram, win98se.Drivers are > 4.13.01.4230. I'll admit that I never paid attention to previousdiscussions > about drivers because I knew I couldn't afford a new video card then... > Help? > Also, someone earlier mentioned poly rate in N2003. Mine is 157.02, ifthat

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> helps troubleshoot. > > Eldred > > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.680 > MonsterRank: +334.169 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

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Just as a comparison, my system is 900mhz with 256MB RAM and a Ti4400 card. I get a poly rate of over 600, so something is amiss with your system. First of all I would try OpenGL as suggested already. Also, the answer is not always to use the latest and greatest driver. I would suggest downloading 3dmark and testing your system with various driver scenarios. It will give you a score for benchmarking. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I gor the Ti4600 video card so that I could run N2003. It does, and itseems > pretty smooth(for the short time I was in the race). But, my GPLperformance > has suffered. Now I'm getting FPS down to 24 even though my V5 was peggedat > 36. Why should a much better card run SLOWER? I downloaded and installedthe > D3D patch, and that didn't help. Athlon 1.2G, 384MB ram, win98se.Drivers are > 4.13.01.4230. I'll admit that I never paid attention to previousdiscussions > about drivers because I knew I couldn't afford a new video card then... > Help? > Also, someone earlier mentioned poly rate in N2003. Mine is 157.02, ifthat

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> helps troubleshoot. > > Eldred > > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.680 > MonsterRank: +334.169 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 12:18:56 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Two words, Eldred: Open GL. I concur. D3D is simply not worth using in the N4/2002/2003 series. The graphical differences are minimal and I generally get better framerates driving solo in D3D, but with other cars around I've seen as much as double the framerate in OGL using a Ge4. Jason

That poly rate has me thinking there is something defiantly fubar somewhere. Just somethings to consider. 1) Complete removal of 3dfx based drivers. IIRC there were issues with a 3dfx card leaving stuff behind that would mess up an Nvidia card. 2) Check for updated motherboard driver set. For example the 4in1 drivers for VIA chipset based motherboards. 3) IRQ sharing/conflict 4) How do your other D3D games run? It been my experience that GPL has always performed better with a 3DFX card. 5) Nvidia cards usually do better in OpenGL than D3D. While you might "fix" GPL you won't really be fixing the problem, just avoiding it if its a D3D based problem. 6) Reinstall DX. MadDAWG

"ThreeWide" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SsI8a.5331$[email hidden]... > Just as a comparison, my system is 900mhz with 256MB RAM and a Ti4400card. > > I get a poly rate of over 600, so something is amiss with your system. > First of all I would try OpenGL as suggested already. Also, the answer is > not always to use the latest and greatest driver. > Likewise, even my Dell notebook with a GeForce2Go (basically a weak 2 MX) gets 350, so you have a driver issue probably. I dropped back a few generations on the Nvidia drivers to get the best performance, and often the best driver for OGL isn't the best D3D driver. It's a bit frustrating, actually. Stephen

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I gor the Ti4600 video card so that I could run N2003. It does, and itseems > pretty smooth(for the short time I was in the race). But, my GPLperformance > has suffered. Now I'm getting FPS down to 24 even though my V5 was peggedat > 36. Why should a much better card run SLOWER? I downloaded and installedthe > D3D patch, and that didn't help. Athlon 1.2G, 384MB ram, win98se.Drivers are > 4.13.01.4230. I'll admit that I never paid attention to previousdiscussions > about drivers because I knew I couldn't afford a new video card then... > Help? > Also, someone earlier mentioned poly rate in N2003. Mine is 157.02, ifthat > helps troubleshoot. > Something looks dodgy if that's all you're getting out of that Ti4600 with NR2003. Here's my system and rend_dxg.ini contents: (abitkr7a/xp1800/98SE/256mb/sbaudigy/ti4400at300/600) [3D Accelerator Analysis] PolyRate=666.04 AnisotropicLevel=4 TextureSetSize=235405312 BitsPerPixel=16 TestedFullScreen=1 Height=960 Width=1280 vSyncMode=0 MipMapLODBias=-0.50 BestStampVOffset=0.50 BestStampUOffset=0.50 UseStencilBuffer=0 MipFilter=2 MinFilter=2 MagFilter=2 Renderer=NVDD32.DLL Version=Product 4 Version 13.1 Build 4109 Vendor=NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4400 OGL will almost certainly get you better framerates than D3D. Running GPL (details maxed, w/GPLEA cars & updated tracks off RSC forum posts) in OGL (12X10 w/4XAA & 8XAF) I get FPS in the upper 20's at the rear of the grid and then pegged at 36 as soon as the AI sorts itself out in a second or so. The biggest factors for FPS in traffic are as they've always been with GPL, the AI and the detail bias. I run at 75%, as maxing it out takes me down below 25FPS briefly for offline starts with the updated cars. And the AI remains a big hit whenever they get bunched up getting around a wreck or in some turns like the hairpin at Monaco on lap 1. SB

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> I gor the Ti4600 video card so that I could run N2003. It does, and it seems > pretty smooth(for the short time I was in the race). But, my GPL performance > has suffered. Now I'm getting FPS down to 24 even though my V5 was pegged at > 36. Why should a much better card run SLOWER? I downloaded and installed the > D3D patch, and that didn't help. Athlon 1.2G, 384MB ram, win98se. Drivers are > 4.13.01.4230. I'll admit that I never paid attention to previous discussions > about drivers because I knew I couldn't afford a new video card then... > Help? > Also, someone earlier mentioned poly rate in N2003. Mine is 157.02, if that > helps troubleshoot. > > Eldred

I found with my Ti4200 that I got a vast improvement in framerates over the "standard" D3D and OpenGL options using the alternative OpenGL (driver?/rasteriser?) available from racesimcentral. That place is beyond my reach here at work, but I'm sure someone'll have the link. Knowing Google, this post will probably be redundant by now... Regards, Mark

>why don't you run GPL in OpenGL mode and see if you have a difference >between D3D and openGL ? I never had that option. I thought that was for VooDoo cards...? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> That poly rate has me thinking there is something defiantly fubar >somewhere. > >Just somethings to consider. > >1) Complete removal of 3dfx based drivers. IIRC there were issues with a >3dfx card leaving stuff behind that would mess up an Nvidia card.

Did it. >2) Check for updated motherboard driver set. For example the 4in1 drivers >for VIA chipset based motherboards. I don't think I have a VIA chipset... >3) IRQ sharing/conflict Dunno. Possible, I guess. >4) How do your other D3D games run? It been my experience that GPL has >always performed better with a 3DFX card. I don't have(to my knowledge) any other D3D games. The only other games I run are Diablo II, or Civ III. >5) Nvidia cards usually do better in OpenGL than D3D. While you might "fix" >GPL you won't really be fixing the problem, just avoiding it if its a D3D >based problem. > >6) Reinstall DX. I gotta find the OGL drivers everyone mentions... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>The biggest factors for FPS in traffic are as they've always been with GPL, >the AI and the detail bias. I run at 75%, as maxing it out takes me down >below 25FPS briefly for offline starts with the updated cars. And the AI >remains a big hit whenever they get bunched up getting around a wreck or in >some turns like the hairpin at Monaco on lap 1. The FPS slowdowns I was talking about were during solo practice, for the most part. I guess I gotta check some more stuff... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

nope, get the open gl patch for GPL and you'll have it on your video setup I have a geforce 4 and use opengl and it rocks... -- The first ever pinball ezboard !! http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball SYS80 : BLK HOLE - HNTD HSE - SPRIT - VOLCNO - PNK PNTHER - DEVLS DARE - RYL FLSH DLX - SPDERMAN - CHRLIE'S NGELS - TX SCTOR - MRS GOW - RBO WARS BALLY : XENN - EGHT BLL - EGHT BLL CHMP - PACMN - SPKEASY 4 - STRKES N SPRES - SPCE INVDERS - FTRE SPA - LADY LCK - PRAGON WILLIAMS : BLCKOUT - CNTACT - ADDMS FAMLY "EldredP" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: [email hidden]... > >why don't you run GPL in OpenGL mode and see if you have a difference > >between D3D and openGL ? > > I never had that option. I thought that was for VooDoo cards...? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.680 > MonsterRank: +334.169 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> >2) Check for updated motherboard driver set. For example the 4in1 drivers > >for VIA chipset based motherboards. > > I don't think I have a VIA chipset... Thats just an example. All motherboards will have a set of drivers. What motherboard chipset do you have? Any idea what your AGP bus is running at? 1x 2x or 4x? MadDAWG

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>> >2) Check for updated motherboard driver set. For example the 4in1 drivers >> >for VIA chipset based motherboards. >> >> I don't think I have a VIA chipset... > >Thats just an example. All motherboards will have a set of drivers. What >motherboard chipset do you have? Any idea what your AGP bus is running at? >1x 2x or 4x? >

Silly me...I *do* have a VIA chipset. I must have been thinking about my previous board, which wasn't. I d/l'd the openGL driver, and it works well. I still get glitches in a couple of spots on some tracks, but at least I can *drive* it now... I couldn't tell you about the AGP bus. Where is that setting? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Thats cool OGL worked for you. I personaly prefer the looks of D3D over OGL in the NASCAR games. ITs been so long since I loaded GPL for anything more than converting the tracks I can't remember how it looks with GPL.. MadDAWG

Where do you get the openGL driver? "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "MadDAWG" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> >2) Check for updated motherboard driver set. For example the 4in1drivers > >> >for VIA chipset based motherboards. > >> > >> I don't think I have a VIA chipset... > > > >Thats just an example. All motherboards will have a set of drivers. What > >motherboard chipset do you have? Any idea what your AGP bus is runningat? > >1x 2x or 4x? > > > > Silly me...I *do* have a VIA chipset. I must have been thinking about my > previous board, which wasn't. I d/l'd the openGL driver, and it workswell. I

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> still get glitches in a couple of spots on some tracks, but at least I can > *drive* it now... > I couldn't tell you about the AGP bus. Where is that setting? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.680 > MonsterRank: +334.169 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>Where do you get the openGL driver? > Actually, I got it from the Papy website... http://www.papy.com Click downloads, then look near the bottom for GPL stuff. It's a Beta patch. Good luck! Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Where do you get the openGL driver? > > > > Actually, I got it from the Papy website... > http://www.papy.com > Click downloads, then look near the bottom for GPL stuff. It's a Betapatch. > Good luck! > > Eldred I used the one from racesimcentral and it was *vastly* superior. Give it a go Eldred. If you can't find it I'll email it to you - let me know if you want. Regards, Mark Davison http://www.markdavison.clara.net/OVAL/ "No more rhymes, now. I mean it!" "Anybody wanna peanut?"

>I used the one from racesimcentral and it was *vastly* superior. Give it a >go Eldred. If you can't find it I'll email it to you - let me know if you >want. I didn't realize there *was* another one. I'll have to check it out - thanks. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (EldredP) writes: >>I used the one from racesimcentral and it was *vastly* superior. Give it a >>go Eldred. If you can't find it I'll email it to you - let me know if you >>want. > >I didn't realize there *was* another one. I'll have to check it out - >thanks. Ok...the only thing I found there(downloads/GPL) was 2 D3D rasterizers. I didn't see an OGL one... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> >I didn't realize there *was* another one. I'll have to check it out - > >thanks. > > Ok...the only thing I found there(downloads/GPL) was 2 D3D rasterizers. I > didn't see an OGL one... You have mail. Hopefully :-) Regards, Mark Davison http://www.markdavison.clara.net/OVAL/ "No more rhymes, now. I mean it!" "Anybody wanna peanut?"

> You have mail. It bounced. email me and I'll send the file to you. Regards, Mark Davison http://www.markdavison.clara.net/OVAL/ "No more rhymes, now. I mean it!" "Anybody wanna peanut?"

"Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > You have mail. > > It bounced. Never mind! Outlook didn't want to remove SPAMOFF at first... Regards, Mark Davison http://www.markdavison.clara.net/OVAL/ "No more rhymes, now. I mean it!" "Anybody wanna peanut?"

Mark, care to share that OGL file? I looked all over and couldn't find it either. Thanks much!!! -- See ya in the pits, Dean I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how long it's been since I've forgotten anything. "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > You have mail. > > > > It bounced. > > Never mind! Outlook didn't want to remove SPAMOFF at first... > > Regards, > > Mark Davison > http://www.markdavison.clara.net/OVAL/ > "No more rhymes, now. I mean it!" > "Anybody wanna peanut?" > >

"Dean Purdy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3Uvaa.70236$[email hidden]... > Mark, care to share that OGL file? I looked all over and couldn't find it > either. Thanks much!!! Here you go: http://www.markdavison.clara.net/GPL/rastogl.zip Regards, Mark Davison http://www.markdavison.clara.net/OVAL/ "No more rhymes, now. I mean it!" "Anybody wanna peanut?"