SiS mobo's any good?

Looking to upgrade cheaply. Are SiS mobo's for P4, stable for gaming? Which is best and which should be avoided (heard one of them was unstable but can't remember which)? Other mobo recommendations?

I do not have a P4 system but I am running a Athlon 900Mhz on an Abit K7A with SiS chipset. (Yes I know it is virtually prehistoric but I am unwilling to upgrade my system just for the sake of playing some games... As long as GPL runs on it I am perfectly happy!) Just to tell you that if I had another choice to make it would definately NOT be a SiS chipset. They have issues with several hardware (e.g. my Samsung digital camera) and the system is notoriously unstable under WIN98 since I installed a Gforce2-400 Maybe things have improved over the past two years. I cannot recommend new boards as I am not planning to replace it in the near future, hence I am not following up on things... On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:27:02 +0200, [email hidden] wrote:

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>Looking to upgrade cheaply. Are SiS mobo's for P4, stable for gaming? > >Which is best and which should be avoided (heard one of them was unstable >but can't remember which)? > >Other mobo recommendations? > > >

nup there shit, just tried the gigabyte 667 sis and it was not stable - went back to the gigabyle 667 intel and clocked my 2.4 to 2.8 with 1 extra volt of power and it rock steady baby. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I do not have a P4 system but I am running a Athlon 900Mhz on an Abit > K7A with SiS chipset. (Yes I know it is virtually prehistoric but I am > unwilling to upgrade my system just for the sake of playing some > games... As long as GPL runs on it I am perfectly happy!) > > Just to tell you that if I had another choice to make it would > definately NOT be a SiS chipset. They have issues with several > hardware (e.g. my Samsung digital camera) and the system is > notoriously unstable under WIN98 since I installed a Gforce2-400 > > Maybe things have improved over the past two years. I cannot recommend > new boards as I am not planning to replace it in the near future, > hence I am not following up on things... > > > > On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:27:02 +0200, [email hidden] wrote: > > >Looking to upgrade cheaply. Are SiS mobo's for P4, stable for gaming? > > > >Which is best and which should be avoided (heard one of them was unstable > >but can't remember which)? > > > >Other mobo recommendations? > > > > > > >

That bad?! Suppose I should have known they would be, I had an SiS graphics card in my 'you-don't-have-a-choice' work comp which was pretty useless. "Hoefsy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3e68761b$0$13172$[email hidden]... > nup there shit, just tried the gigabyte 667 sis and it was not stable -went

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> back to the gigabyle 667 intel and clocked my 2.4 to 2.8 with 1 extra volt > of power and it rock steady baby. > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I do not have a P4 system but I am running a Athlon 900Mhz on an Abit > > K7A with SiS chipset. (Yes I know it is virtually prehistoric but I am > > unwilling to upgrade my system just for the sake of playing some > > games... As long as GPL runs on it I am perfectly happy!) > > > > Just to tell you that if I had another choice to make it would > > definately NOT be a SiS chipset. They have issues with several > > hardware (e.g. my Samsung digital camera) and the system is > > notoriously unstable under WIN98 since I installed a Gforce2-400 > > > > Maybe things have improved over the past two years. I cannot recommend > > new boards as I am not planning to replace it in the near future, > > hence I am not following up on things... > > > > > > > > On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:27:02 +0200, [email hidden] wrote: > > > > >Looking to upgrade cheaply. Are SiS mobo's for P4, stable for gaming? > > > > > >Which is best and which should be avoided (heard one of them was

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> > >but can't remember which)? > > > > > >Other mobo recommendations? > > > > > > > > > > > > >

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b49hk8$26lm$[email hidden]... > Looking to upgrade cheaply. Are SiS mobo's for P4, stable for gaming? > > Which is best and which should be avoided (heard one of them was unstable > but can't remember which)? > > Other mobo recommendations? Not a P4 man myself ( over priced by 30 - 50% ) but the Abit BH7 is a cracking motherboard for the �80ish mark. USB2, Serial ATA, Onboard Lan, 6 channel sound - all good stuff on the very reliable Intel 845PE chipset. I mean - if it were my choice - I'd be getting an Asus A7n8X with an athlon 2500 barton @ 333 fsb. Doug

Wow Doug. In a single sentence you pretty much extinguished all hope I had of ever seeing RL. I mean if your so far away from reality on CPU prices then I really question your estimates for the release of RL. Athlon 2500 333 is $179 P4 2.53 533 is $186 Now I'm no mathematician but I would say the price of these CPU's is more like a <5% difference than you're est. of 30-50%. Mitch "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in > Not a P4 man myself ( over priced by 30 - 50% ) but the Abit BH7 is a > cracking motherboard for the �80ish mark. > > USB2, Serial ATA, Onboard Lan, 6 channel sound - all good stuff on thevery > reliable Intel 845PE chipset. > > I mean - if it were my choice - I'd be getting an Asus A7n8X with anathlon > 2500 barton @ 333 fsb. > > Doug > > >

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:J64aa.235$[email hidden]...

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> Wow Doug. > > In a single sentence you pretty much extinguished all hope I had of ever > seeing RL. I mean if your so far away from reality on CPU prices then I > really question your estimates for the release of RL. > > Athlon 2500 333 is $179 > P4 2.53 533 is $186 > > Now I'm no mathematician but I would say the price of these CPU's is more > like a <5% difference than you're est. of 30-50%. > > Mitch

Athlon 1800 - �45 P4 1800 � 100.55 P4 - 223% Athlon 2100 - �65 P4 2000 �123 P4 - 189% Athlon 2400 - �93.50 P4 2400 �117.60 P4 125% Athlon 2500 - �129 P4 2500 - �141 P4 109% Athlon 2600 - �154 P4 2600 - �176 P4 - 114% Athlon 3000 - �414.70 P4 3000 - �462 P4 - 111% Average - 145% prices - overclockers.co.uk There is a pattern from low end -> high end for Athlons to become much closer in price to P4's of similar spec. However - there is also a trend that an Athlon CPU's PR rating, for gaming - performs approx one step ahead compared to P4. i.e. Athlon 2400 performs similar to P4 2530 ( typical example ) http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1783&p=13 Which would change the 2500 comparison from 109% to 151% Certainly in the field in which I work - 3d Animation - buying medium price range ( thus approx 2400 ) CPU's for rendering - P4's are at LEAST 30% more expensive for equiv. performance. And quite how you managed to get RL involved in this thread - well - wow - some people must be obsessed. Get a life dude. Doug.

AMD is not the super-deal it used to be. This is a fairly sudden and recent change. This is the main reason I went with a P4 on my latest system (2.53) instead of AMD which my last 5 have been. It's worse in faster processors. AMD and Intel pricing is almost identical at the 3Ghz range, and the testing I've seen shows the P4 as an overall faster processor. I'm not quite sold on that multi-threading stuff though. It's been causing some problems... AMD needs to remember that it was the Price/Performance ratio that allowed US to bring them to where they are. If they are thinking of changing that strategy then, well, let's just say Mr. Groves is probably very happy right now :) Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:J64aa.235$[email hidden]...

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> Wow Doug. > > In a single sentence you pretty much extinguished all hope I had of ever > seeing RL. I mean if your so far away from reality on CPU prices then I > really question your estimates for the release of RL. > > Athlon 2500 333 is $179 > P4 2.53 533 is $186 > > Now I'm no mathematician but I would say the price of these CPU's is more > like a <5% difference than you're est. of 30-50%. > > Mitch > > > > > "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in > Not a P4 man

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> ( over priced by 30 - 50% ) but the Abit BH7 is a > > cracking motherboard for the �80ish mark. > > > > USB2, Serial ATA, Onboard Lan, 6 channel sound - all good stuff on the > very > > reliable Intel 845PE chipset. > > > > I mean - if it were my choice - I'd be getting an Asus A7n8X with an > athlon > > 2500 barton @ 333 fsb. > > > > Doug > > > > > > > >

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> > Athlon 1800 - �45 > P4 1800 � 100.55 > P4 - 223% > > Athlon 2100 - �65 > P4 2000 �123 > P4 - 189% > > Athlon 2400 - �93.50 > P4 2400 �117.60 > P4 125% > > Athlon 2500 - �129 > P4 2500 - �141 > P4 109% > > Athlon 2600 - �154 > P4 2600 - �176 > P4 - 114% > > Athlon 3000 - �414.70 > P4 3000 - �462 > P4 - 111% > > Average - 145%

From pricewatch.com AMD 1800 US56 P4-1.8 US103 183% AMD 2100 US79 P4- US145-169 (2.0-2.26) 200% AMD 2400 US134 P4-2.4 US156 116% AMD 2500 US179 P4-2.5 US186 104% AMD 2600 US224 P4-2.6 US236 105% AMD 2800 US367 P4-2.8 US353 96% AMD 3000 US571 P4-3.0 US557 97% Average 128%, leave out the below 2400 CPU's and we get 104% You guys are geting screwed on Intel CPU's, the "interesting" CPU's, 2.4/2400 and upwards are just about equal in price with the high end CPU's from Intel being a tad cheaper than AMD in many places, they use the same memory and the MoBo's cost the same, unless you're putting together a "low end" computer and have to cut corners somewhere, there's no argument for going AMD on cost As for the AMD's being faster in most games....that would depend on the game http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1783&p=14 http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1783&p=15 http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1783&p=16 http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1783&p=17 http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030210/barton-14.html http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030210/barton-15.html http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030217/cpu_charts-24.html I'd say they're rated pretty much spot on, on average Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Larry wrote: > > AMD is not the super-deal it used to be. This is a fairly sudden and recent > change. This is the main reason I went with a P4 on my latest system (2.53) > instead of AMD which my last 5 have been. Hah....got you beat, just finished upgrading my gaming rig to a 2.8 :-) OC's nicely too, 3175 Mhz :-) But yeah, I agree with most you said, AMD used to have a nice price-performance advantage, in the high end segment this is all but gone and in case of the 2800/3000 CPU's Intel is often a tad cheaper even, guess Intel has decided to take AMD's challenge a little more seriously Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

I don't think Intel's pricing structure has changed a whole lot. I think it's more AMD has 'upped' itself to Intel's level instead of Intell bring itself down to AMD's level. Intel's P4 3.0Ghz is, average, $625 let's say. That's been pretty close to the typical price point for the latest and greatest Intel Chip (maybe even a little higher). AMD's 3000+ is about the same price, around $625, but what's different is AMD's highest end processor used to come in at around the $350 to $400 range. It seems that it's the "New Part Introduction Price" is where AMD has strayed beginning with the 3000+. Larry "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> But yeah, I agree with most you said, AMD used to have a nice > price-performance advantage, in the high end segment this is all but > gone and in case of the 2800/3000 CPU's Intel is often a tad cheaper > even, guess Intel has decided to take AMD's challenge a little more > seriously > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx--

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> > I don't think Intel's pricing structure has changed a whole lot. I think > it's more AMD has 'upped' itself to Intel's level instead of Intell bring > itself down to AMD's level. > > Intel's P4 3.0Ghz is, average, $625 let's say. That's been pretty close to > the typical price point for the latest and greatest Intel Chip (maybe even a > little higher). > > AMD's 3000+ is about the same price, around $625, but what's different is > AMD's highest end processor used to come in at around the $350 to $400 > range. > > It seems that it's the "New Part Introduction Price" is where AMD has > strayed beginning with the 3000+.

You may be right about that now that you mention it....guess AMD needs to start making money :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:27:02 +0200, [email hidden] wrote: > Looking to upgrade cheaply. Are SiS mobo's for P4, stable for gaming? > > Which is best and which should be avoided (heard one of them was unstable > but can't remember which)? > > Other mobo recommendations? the latest sis655 chipsets are great, its the one that has dual channel ddr.

Nah :) Larry "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> You may be right about that now that you mention it....guess AMD needs > to start making money :-) > > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

You are not a mathematician are you? If you subtract 100% from your calculations you are just about correct. Todd "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b4ak46$1ueuuj$[email hidden]...

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> > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:J64aa.235$[email hidden]... > > Wow Doug. > > > > In a single sentence you pretty much extinguished all hope I had of ever > > seeing RL. I mean if your so far away from reality on CPU prices then I > > really question your estimates for the release of RL. > > > > Athlon 2500 333 is $179 > > P4 2.53 533 is $186 > > > > Now I'm no mathematician but I would say the price of these CPU's is

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> > like a <5% difference than you're est. of 30-50%. > > > > Mitch > > Athlon 1800 - �45 > P4 1800 � 100.55 > P4 - 223% > > Athlon 2100 - �65 > P4 2000 �123 > P4 - 189% > > Athlon 2400 - �93.50 > P4 2400 �117.60 > P4 125% > > Athlon 2500 - �129 > P4 2500 - �141 > P4 109% > > Athlon 2600 - �154 > P4 2600 - �176 > P4 - 114% > > Athlon 3000 - �414.70 > P4 3000 - �462 > P4 - 111% > > Average - 145% > > prices - overclockers.co.uk > > There is a pattern from low end -> high end for Athlons to become much > closer in price to P4's of similar spec. > > However - there is also a trend that an Athlon CPU's PR rating, for

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> performs approx one step ahead compared to P4. i.e. Athlon 2400 performs > similar to P4 2530 ( typical example ) > http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1783&p=13 > > Which would change the 2500 comparison from 109% to 151% > > Certainly in the field in which I work - 3d Animation - buying medium

price > range ( thus approx 2400 ) CPU's for rendering - P4's are at LEAST 30%more

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> expensive for equiv. performance. > > And quite how you managed to get RL involved in this thread - well - wow - > some people must be obsessed. Get a life dude. > > > Doug. > > > > >

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> You are not a mathematician are you? If you subtract 100% from your > calculations you are just about correct. > > Todd > > Athlon 1800 - �45 > > P4 1800 � 100.55 > > P4 - 223%

Are you telling me that an P4 1800 is NOT 223% the price of an Athlon 1800? It is 123% more expensive - but 223% of the price.

I have an nforce2 board that runs great. My athlon xp1700+ B version is running at 2075mhz at 39C. When it boots up it says 2600+. The cpu costs me $49 from newegg. It benchmarks faster than a p4 2600 and a just below a p4 2800 unless I run it at 2175mhz but then it idles at 41C so I run it slower. It is a great bargain. "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tNsaa.11377$Lq.898388@stones...

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> > "JTBurn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > You are not a mathematician are you? If you subtract 100% from your > > calculations you are just about correct. > > > > Todd > > > > Athlon 1800 - �45 > > > P4 1800 � 100.55 > > > P4 - 223% > > > Are you telling me that an P4 1800 is NOT 223% the price of an Athlon

1800? > > It is 123% more expensive - but 223% of the price. > > >