Catalyst 3.2 drivers out! various n2003 fixes!

http://www.fileshack.com/file.x?fid=2440 Remember to get the 3.2 Control Panel also. rms [email hidden]

http://www.fileshack.com/file.x?fid=2440 Remember to get the 3.2 Control Panel also. rms

I am extremely interested in how these work with NR2003, especially at the Road Courses which, if I understand correctly, has been somewhat of an issue with the Radeon's. I am seriously considering getting an ATI 9800 Pro, but I want to be sure it works _flawlessly_ before I do. I was holding out for the nVidia FX Card, but after a year of prodding us along they delivered an under-whelming card and I'm pissed at them for that. So be it. My money is as good to ATI as it is nVidia. Larry "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oK9ca.402$[email hidden]...

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> http://www.fileshack.com/file.x?fid=2440 > Remember to get the 3.2 Control Panel also. > > rms > [email hidden] > >

Actually only listed fixes were with the beta not the final release. Drivers do work fine however for me on the 8500. "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oK9ca.402$[email hidden]...

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> http://www.fileshack.com/file.x?fid=2440 > Remember to get the 3.2 Control Panel also. > > rms > [email hidden] > >

How does the 8500 handle N2003? I never owned a NASCAR game, but I am seriously thinking of picking this one up, but I have reservations as to how my system (Epox 8KHA+, AMD 1700+, 512 megs ram and 8500 retail) would handle this game. Since my system runs everything else that I play (Morrowind, BG2, GPL, F1 2002 and mods, Dues Ex) without problems (i.e. good enough FPS), I have no intentions of upgrading for quite a while. Also, since I'm not a big enough NASCAR fan, I don't want to go out and upgrade my system for this game. "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:utpca.30215$[email hidden]...

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> Actually only listed fixes were with the beta not the final release. > Drivers do work fine however for me on the 8500. > > "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:oK9ca.402$[email hidden]... > > http://www.fileshack.com/file.x?fid=2440 > > Remember to get the 3.2 Control Panel also. > > > > rms > > [email hidden] > > > > > >

At last I can now race the road circuits thanks to the new drivers, how it was released in the first place with this problem is beyond me Kev "Fatbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rWqca.80$[email hidden]... > How does the 8500 handle N2003? I never owned a NASCAR game, but I am > seriously thinking of picking this one up, but I have reservations as tohow > my system (Epox 8KHA+, AMD 1700+, 512 megs ram and 8500 retail) wouldhandle > this game. Since my system runs everything else that I play (Morrowind,BG2, > GPL, F1 2002 and mods, Dues Ex) without problems (i.e. good enough FPS), I > have no intentions of upgrading for quite a while. Also, since I'm not abig

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> enough NASCAR fan, I don't want to go out and upgrade my system for this > game. > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:utpca.30215$[email hidden]... > > Actually only listed fixes were with the beta not the final release. > > Drivers do work fine however for me on the 8500. > > > > "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:oK9ca.402$[email hidden]... > > > http://www.fileshack.com/file.x?fid=2440 > > > Remember to get the 3.2 Control Panel also. > > > > > > rms > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > > > > > >

I have a 1600+ with 8500 and it runs it fine, about the sane FPS as with NR2002 with slightly better graphics settings. No complaints at all with it. "Fatbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rWqca.80$[email hidden]... > How does the 8500 handle N2003? I never owned a NASCAR game, but I am > seriously thinking of picking this one up, but I have reservations as tohow > my system (Epox 8KHA+, AMD 1700+, 512 megs ram and 8500 retail) wouldhandle > this game. Since my system runs everything else that I play (Morrowind,BG2, > GPL, F1 2002 and mods, Dues Ex) without problems (i.e. good enough FPS), I > have no intentions of upgrading for quite a while. Also, since I'm not abig

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> enough NASCAR fan, I don't want to go out and upgrade my system for this > game. > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:utpca.30215$[email hidden]... > > Actually only listed fixes were with the beta not the final release. > > Drivers do work fine however for me on the 8500. > > > > "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:oK9ca.402$[email hidden]... > > > http://www.fileshack.com/file.x?fid=2440 > > > Remember to get the 3.2 Control Panel also. > > > > > > rms > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > > > > > >

I had been using Catalyst 3.0a and OpenGL with Nascar 2003. D3D looks like crap IMO with Nascar 2003 and Catalyst 3.0a. I would usually use 1024x768 in OGL with the slider bar cranked all the way to the right in the control panel for highest quality (2xAA & 16xAF) and with the vsync turned down one tick (default off). I could also get away with using 1600x1200 in OGL with no AA and 8xAF and vsync set to default off. I found that the 1024x768 setting played a little faster, and during online game play, the difference between the two settings visual quality is not that noticeable. Jaggies are a major problem in Nascar 2003 on poles and around the wall tops in the distance. Catalyst 3.1 broke the 3D setup in both Nascar 2002 and 2003. I installed Catalyst 3.2 and here is what I found: 3D setup now works again! ;-) OpenGL does not look as good as it used to with Catalyst 3.0a and I took about a 15-20fps hit ;( D3D now plays much faster and looks better than before. 1024x768 with 2xAA and 16AF in D3D does not look that good. The AA in D3D looks like crap compared to the OGL version. Even at 1600x1200 w/oAA, you still see crawlies on the horizontal painted lines in D3D. 1600x1200 in D3D with noAA and 16xAF plays very fast and smooth. This is the setting I finally decided on using with Catalyst 3.2. So Catalyst 3.2 fixes the 3D setup in Nascar 2003, but OpenGL performance is slower than Catalyst 3.0a. Using Catalyst 3.1 is not an option if you play Nascar 2002 or 2003. I don't know if I will keep Catalyst 3.2 and use D3D at 1600x1200/noAA/16xAF or switch back to Catalyst 3.0a and use OpenGL at 1024x768/2xAA/16xAF. I am really considering going back to Catalyst 3.0a and OGL because jaggies seemed less noticeable then, even at 1024x768 wAA as apposed to 1600x1200 w/oAA. My setup: MSI K7T Turbo2 512MB PC133 Crucial Radeon 8500LE 250/275 (stock speed) DX9 Win98SE SB Live! Value I dual boot Win98SE and WinXP. I have yet to even install Nascar 2003 in WinXP. I got slightly better frame rates with Nascar 2002 in Win98SE over WinXP so I have been sticking to Win98SE for games (for now). "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1Nrca.30264$[email hidden]...

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> I have a 1600+ with 8500 and it runs it fine, about the sane FPS as with > NR2002 with slightly better graphics settings. > No complaints at all with it. > > "Fatbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rWqca.80$[email hidden]... > > How does the 8500 handle N2003? I never owned a NASCAR game, but I am > > seriously thinking of picking this one up, but I have reservations as to > how > > my system (Epox 8KHA+, AMD 1700+, 512 megs ram and 8500 retail) would > handle > > this game. Since my system runs everything else that I play (Morrowind, > BG2, > > GPL, F1 2002 and mods, Dues Ex) without problems (i.e. good enough FPS),

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> > have no intentions of upgrading for quite a while. Also, since I'm not a > big > > enough NASCAR fan, I don't want to go out and upgrade my system for this > > game. > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:utpca.30215$[email hidden]... > > > Actually only listed fixes were with the beta not the final release. > > > Drivers do work fine however for me on the 8500. > > > > > > "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:oK9ca.402$[email hidden]... > > > > http://www.fileshack.com/file.x?fid=2440 > > > > Remember to get the 3.2 Control Panel also. > > > > > > > > rms > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Bill Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:rNuca.9895$[email hidden]: > <sniparoni> > D3D now plays much faster and looks better than before. 1024x768 with > 2xAA and 16AF in D3D does not look that good. The AA in D3D looks like > crap compared to the OGL version. Even at 1600x1200 w/oAA, you still > see crawlies on the horizontal painted lines in D3D. > <sniparoni> i keep seeing you guys post about setting AA but in my control and setup panels, i never see an option for anti-aliasing. anistropic yes. where oh where do you guys find this? tia, rob

Display Properties-> Settings -> Advanced -> OpenGL tab or Direct 3D tab... Its the first item under Custom Settings heading. "rbeez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Bill Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:rNuca.9895$[email hidden]: > > > <sniparoni> > > D3D now plays much faster and looks better than before. 1024x768 with > > 2xAA and 16AF in D3D does not look that good. The AA in D3D looks like > > crap compared to the OGL version. Even at 1600x1200 w/oAA, you still > > see crawlies on the horizontal painted lines in D3D. > > > <sniparoni> > > i keep seeing you guys post about setting AA but in my control and setup > panels, i never see an option for anti-aliasing. anistropic yes. where > oh where do you guys find this? > > tia, > > rob

"Flawless" ain't a word in ATI's lexicon...but the 3.2s do specifically address a bunch of N2003 issues (including the demo). "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Frpca.11475$[email hidden]... > I am extremely interested in how these work with NR2003, especially at the > Road Courses which, if I understand correctly, has been somewhat of anissue > with the Radeon's. > > I am seriously considering getting an ATI 9800 Pro, but I want to be sureit > works _flawlessly_ before I do. > > I was holding out for the nVidia FX Card, but after a year of prodding us > along they delivered an under-whelming card and I'm pissed at them forthat.

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> > So be it. My money is as good to ATI as it is nVidia. > > Larry > > "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:oK9ca.402$[email hidden]... > > http://www.fileshack.com/file.x?fid=2440 > > Remember to get the 3.2 Control Panel also. > > > > rms > > [email hidden] > > > > > >

Thx, Roger. You can also get the 3.2s from 3DGuru w/o needing to register: http://download.guru3d.com/ati/ --Steve "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oK9ca.402$[email hidden]...

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> http://www.fileshack.com/file.x?fid=2440 > Remember to get the 3.2 Control Panel also. > > rms > [email hidden] > >

It is called SMOOTHVISION. SMOOTHVISION=AA "rbeez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Bill Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:rNuca.9895$[email hidden]: > > > <sniparoni> > > D3D now plays much faster and looks better than before. 1024x768 with > > 2xAA and 16AF in D3D does not look that good. The AA in D3D looks like > > crap compared to the OGL version. Even at 1600x1200 w/oAA, you still > > see crawlies on the horizontal painted lines in D3D. > > > <sniparoni> > > i keep seeing you guys post about setting AA but in my control and setup > panels, i never see an option for anti-aliasing. anistropic yes. where > oh where do you guys find this? > > tia, > > rob

The 3.2 has little performance boost for the 9700. ATI had hoped to include these performance enhancements, but they will have to wait for 3.3. See the Rage 3D site for info. The 3.2 is working fine for me in all games. P4 1.6a, Asus P4B, AIW 9700 "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:chFca.31231$[email hidden]...

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> Thx, Roger. > > You can also get the 3.2s from 3DGuru w/o needing to register: > > http://download.guru3d.com/ati/ > > --Steve > > "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:oK9ca.402$[email hidden]... > > http://www.fileshack.com/file.x?fid=2440 > > Remember to get the 3.2 Control Panel also. > > > > rms > > [email hidden] > > > > > >

> The 3.2 has little performance boost for the 9700. ATI had hoped toinclude > these performance enhancements, but they will have to wait for 3.3. I did the 3.3 hack that is out (the card is now reported as a 9800 and uses the 3.3 code) and it does work, about a 5-10% 3dmark boost in the pixel shader tests. rms [email hidden]

"Bill Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:AaIca.3568$[email hidden]: > It is called SMOOTHVISION. SMOOTHVISION=AA > Thanks Bill, I thought that had something to do with streaming video or something. BTW, are you the same guy that used to set us up with decal sheets in n2 and n99? thanks again, rob