GPL on Win2K...again...

Ok, this is my last attempt on this system. I'm trying to configure another server. Win2K, NTFS, TNT2 video card. I originally started by copying an install from one of my other servers. No good, so I installed over that one. No good, so I deleted everything and started over. No good. I had the 1201 patch, tried D3D and OGL - no good. Tried allowing indexing, disabling it - no good. It's a 900Mhz system, so I don't need the CPU patch. The only constant is what it does - splash screen, then dump to desktop. The killer of it is I have two more of the EXACT same machine(down to CPU, ram, and video card), one with Win2K, one with XP Pro, and both of those work fine. The XP Pro didn't work on the first try, but worked with a re-install. I've gone through about 4-5 installs with this latest one. WTF?!? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ok, this is my last attempt on this system. I'm trying to configureanother > server. Win2K, NTFS, TNT2 video card. I originally started by copying an > install from one of my other servers. No good, so I installed over thatone. > No good, so I deleted everything and started over. No good. I had the1201 > patch, tried D3D and OGL - no good. Tried allowing indexing, disablingit - no > good. It's a 900Mhz system, so I don't need the CPU patch. The onlyconstant > is what it does - splash screen, then dump to desktop. The killer of itis I > have two more of the EXACT same machine(down to CPU, ram, and video card),one > with Win2K, one with XP Pro, and both of those work fine. The XP Prodidn't > work on the first try, but worked with a re-install. I've gone throughabout > 4-5 installs with this latest one. WTF?!? NTFS? Allow indexing on the gpl folder. In folder properties, click the advanced button & you'll see a tick box to allow indexing. You don't actually have to enable the indexing service. I realise you mention this in your post, so this is really just to confirm the procedure. You also need Dx7.0 or higher. iirc win2k has 6.0 as standard, but run dxdiag to check the version. Finally, install the CPU patch anyway imo, it has the noCD & disco fixes built in so it's one less patch to apply ;-) Malc.

>NTFS? Allow indexing on the gpl folder. In folder properties, click the >advanced button & you'll see a tick box to allow indexing. You don't >actually have to enable the indexing service. >I realise you mention this in your post, so this is really just to confirm >the procedure. >I even turned it off and then back on - no good... >You also need Dx7.0 or higher. iirc win2k has 6.0 as standard, but run >dxdiag to check the version. DX8.1... >Finally, install the CPU patch anyway imo, it has the noCD & disco fixes >built in so it's one less patch to apply ;-) I don't think it's gonna work on this system for whatever reason... :( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I don't think it's gonna work on this system for whatever reason... :( No I shouldn't think the CPU patch will either make gpl work or be required on that system, it just makes installing gpl that little bit quicker. otoh if you're at a loss, give it a go anyway ;-) tbh you're probably a way better IT type bod than I'll ever be, but I'll list some other stuff that may be the cause, I'm sure you'll have tried most of this already but hopefully I might mention something that helps ;-) Make sure an IRQ is assigned to the graphics card in the bios. Try gpl in software mode. Try another d3d or OpenGL game to see whether it's gpl or the PC at fault. Check that none of the files in the gpl folder are read only. Check that the registry is not at the limit of it's allowable size. Try a different graphics card to see if it's faulty. I assume it's a fairly old one. Ditto for the memory if it's used too. Try disabling sound if the PC has it. Check that the swapfile is large enough or dynamic (dependant on your ReplayMemoryOverride value in the core.ini) Check that the security setting for the gpl folder is allowing appropriate access (system, administrator & the current user at the least, 'everyone' at the most) These are all just things to check really. I must say from the symptoms the indexing flag is the usual suspect. If all this PC will be used for is a gpl server, you could reformat with fat32 & reinstall as a last resort, but I can't think of much else if none of this works, gpl is pretty trouble free to set up usually :-( Malc.

Eldred, I just went throught the same problem. I still don't know the root cause but I fixed it by using the OpenGL driver from papy.com. I know there's a better OGL driver at racesimcentral. I'll go get it later. Try Malc's suggestion to put yourself into software mode. In case you're not sure how to get there, look in the app.ini file. You'll see something like this: [ Graphics ] lastRasterizerDLL = rastd3d7.dll ; Last rasterizer DLL selected Delete "rastd3dd7" Or, I probably should suggest -- delete any reference to any rasterizer other than "softdll.dll". Restart GPL. If that works, then you have the same problem I saw -- something boinked with D3D. Like I said, I don't know the root cause, only that I was able to make it work by using OGL. Rgds, leef In article <5Ztca.383$[email hidden]>, "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... > >> I don't think it's gonna work on this system for whatever reason... :( > >No I shouldn't think the CPU patch will either make gpl work or be required >on that system, it just makes installing gpl that little bit quicker. otoh >if you're at a loss, give it a go anyway ;-) > >tbh you're probably a way better IT type bod than I'll ever be, but I'll >list some other stuff that may be the cause, I'm sure you'll have tried most >of this already but hopefully I might mention something that helps ;-) > >Make sure an IRQ is assigned to the graphics card in the bios. > >Try gpl in software mode. > >Try another d3d or OpenGL game to see whether it's gpl or the PC at fault. > >Check that none of the files in the gpl folder are read only. > >Check that the registry is not at the limit of it's allowable size. > >Try a different graphics card to see if it's faulty. I assume it's a fairly >old one. > >Ditto for the memory if it's used too. > >Try disabling sound if the PC has it. > >Check that the swapfile is large enough or dynamic (dependant on your >ReplayMemoryOverride value in the core.ini) > >Check that the security setting for the gpl folder is allowing appropriate >access (system, administrator & the current user at the least, 'everyone' at >the most) > >These are all just things to check really. I must say from the symptoms the >indexing flag is the usual suspect. > >If all this PC will be used for is a gpl server, you could reformat with >fat32 & reinstall as a last resort, but I can't think of much else if none >of this works, gpl is pretty trouble free to set up usually :-( > >Malc. > >

Given that the problem only arises when the video card is being aroused (splash screen etc.) I suspect it is one of two broad possibilities (1) Driver issues (gpl mebbe asks the card something to do that its instructions dont understand) or IRQ type sharing conflict (2) Hardware instability due to either the RAM, powersupply, video card, or simply overheating of any number of components cheers Ashley "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5Ztca.383$[email hidden]... > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > I don't think it's gonna work on this system for whatever reason... :( > > No I shouldn't think the CPU patch will either make gpl work or berequired > on that system, it just makes installing gpl that little bit quicker. otoh > if you're at a loss, give it a go anyway ;-) > > tbh you're probably a way better IT type bod than I'll ever be, but I'll > list some other stuff that may be the cause, I'm sure you'll have triedmost

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> of this already but hopefully I might mention something that helps ;-) > > Make sure an IRQ is assigned to the graphics card in the bios. > > Try gpl in software mode. > > Try another d3d or OpenGL game to see whether it's gpl or the PC at fault. > > Check that none of the files in the gpl folder are read only. > > Check that the registry is not at the limit of it's allowable size. > > Try a different graphics card to see if it's faulty. I assume it's a

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> old one. > > Ditto for the memory if it's used too. > > Try disabling sound if the PC has it. > > Check that the swapfile is large enough or dynamic (dependant on your > ReplayMemoryOverride value in the core.ini) > > Check that the security setting for the gpl folder is allowing appropriate > access (system, administrator & the current user at the least, 'everyone'

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> indexing flag is the usual suspect. > > If all this PC will be used for is a gpl server, you could reformat with > fat32 & reinstall as a last resort, but I can't think of much else if none > of this works, gpl is pretty trouble free to set up usually :-( > > Malc. > >

In article <uWVea.1186$[email hidden]>, "Ashley M" <[email hidden]> writes: >Given that the problem only arises when the video card is being aroused >(splash screen etc.) I suspect it is one of two broad possibilities >(1) Driver issues (gpl mebbe asks the card something to do that its >instructions dont understand) or IRQ type sharing conflict >(2) Hardware instability due to either the RAM, powersupply, video card, or >simply overheating of any number of components I'm willing to bet any amount of money that if I re-format the damn thing to win98, it'll work fine... And win2K is supposed to be superior??? Grrr... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Eldred, > >I just went throught the same problem. I still don't know the root cause but > >I fixed it by using the OpenGL driver from papy.com. I know there's a better > >OGL driver at racesimcentral. I'll go get it later. > >Try Malc's suggestion to put yourself into software mode. In case you're not > >sure how to get there, look in the app.ini file. > >You'll see something like this: > >[ Graphics ] >lastRasterizerDLL = rastd3d7.dll ; Last rasterizer DLL >selected > >Delete "rastd3dd7" > >Or, I probably should suggest -- delete any reference to any rasterizer other > >than "softdll.dll". > >Restart GPL. If that works, then you have the same problem I saw -- >something >boinked with D3D. > >Like I said, I don't know the root cause, only that I was able to make it >work >by using OGL. >

I've tried setting it to OGL, D3D, software, etc. No joy. I find it hard to believe it's an IRQ conflict as someone else suggested. The same exact model machine with the same OS works fine on my other desk. I'll check that, though... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (EldredP) writes: >I've tried setting it to OGL, D3D, software, etc. No joy. I find it hard to >believe it's an IRQ conflict as someone else suggested. The same exact model >machine with the same OS works fine on my other desk. I'll check that, >though... IRQ's were the same, as was DX version. Would you believe...hardware acceleration? I thought to check that setting. On the system that works, the slider is 2 clicks from the right. I tried it on the new system - voila! Works now. F'king computers... :-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.