Logi Profiler and WinVROC

Ever since getting my Logi MOMO Force Wheel, I have had problems in getting the Logi profiler and WinVROC to properly communicate. The problem is that the wheel feels drastically different in GPL online races than it does when running offline. Online, the forces feel a lot looser, there's a significant deadzone in the wheel's travel, and the car's weight/mass just feels much lighter. Being in a weekly GPL League, it's very frustrating to develop a set-up and practice all week offline, and then have a completely different feel during the actual race. In the Profiler, I had been using a profile that I set up for VROC WINVROC.exe file. I've been told several times that it should be pointing to the GPLLaunch file instead. Unfortunately, I could never change the setting for this profile and make it "stick". (For some reason the Profiler always reverted it back to the original setting.) I also couldn't set up a new profile pointing to GPLLaunch because I would get an error message saying that a profile pointing to that executable already existed (when it didn't). So, I finally decided to wipe the Profiler off of my hard drive and re-install it. After doing that, I now have a VROC profile that points to GPLLaunch. Unfortunately, when I start that profile I get a very quick flash of the "Launching GPL" pop-up that you get when entering a race in VROC, and then I'm still left in the Profiler. Obviously, I either have the Profiler set-up wrong or there is a special procedure that I'm not aware of to properly get into a VROC online race thru the Logi profiler. Can a GPL-er that uses the Logi profiler please enlighten me on this? All I want is to have my wheel's "feel" be the same offline and online in GPL. Any help with this would be GREATLY appreciated! FWIW, I'm using Win98SE and Logi Profiler Version 4.20. Thanks! Bert

Ever since getting my Logi MOMO Force Wheel, I have had problems in getting the Logi profiler and WinVROC to properly communicate. The problem is that the wheel feels drastically different in GPL online races than it does when running offline. Online, the forces feel a lot looser, there's a significant deadzone in the wheel's travel, and the car's weight/mass just feels much lighter. Being in a weekly GPL League, it's very frustrating to develop a set-up and practice all week offline, and then have a completely different feel during the actual race. In the Profiler, I had been using a profile that I set up for VROC WINVROC.exe file. I've been told several times that it should be pointing to the GPLLaunch file instead. Unfortunately, I could never change the setting for this profile and make it "stick". (For some reason the Profiler always reverted it back to the original setting.) I also couldn't set up a new profile pointing to GPLLaunch because I would get an error message saying that a profile pointing to that executable already existed (when it didn't). So, I finally decided to wipe the Profiler off of my hard drive and re-install it. After doing that, I now have a VROC profile that points to GPLLaunch. Unfortunately, when I start that profile I get a very quick flash of the "Launching GPL" pop-up that you get when entering a race in VROC, and then I'm still left in the Profiler. Obviously, I either have the Profiler set-up wrong or there is a special procedure that I'm not aware of to properly get into a VROC online race thru the Logi profiler. Can a GPL-er that uses the Logi profiler please enlighten me on this? All I want is to have my wheel's "feel" be the same offline and online in GPL. Any help with this would be GREATLY appreciated! FWIW, I'm using Win98SE and Logi Profiler Version 4.20. Thanks! Bert

BRH <"bertrh<no-spam>"@attbi.com> wrote in news:3E7E5C1A.49BBE358 @attbi.com: > [snip] > Can a GPL-er that uses the Logi profiler please enlighten me on this? > All I want is to have my wheel's "feel" be the same offline and online > in GPL. Any help with this would be GREATLY appreciated! > I've had the problem you describe. To get around it, ask your league admin for the host IP and connect to your race from GPL's multiplayer page. HTH.

I think you need to create a specific profile for VROC, and point it to "GPLLaunch.exe" which is what VROC uses to join GPL. Make sure it has all the same settings as what you use in your GPL profile. Then select that as the active profile in the wingman profiler, and start VROC. It works for me. When VROC calls GPL, it should load the correct profile as well. hth, jeff BRH <"bertrh<no-spam>"@attbi.com> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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> Ever since getting my Logi MOMO Force Wheel, I have had problems in > getting the Logi profiler and WinVROC to properly communicate. The > problem is that the wheel feels drastically different in GPL online > races than it does when running offline. Online, the forces feel a lot > looser, there's a significant deadzone in the wheel's travel, and the > car's weight/mass just feels much lighter. Being in a weekly GPL > League, it's very frustrating to develop a set-up and practice all week > offline, and then have a completely different feel during the actual > race. > > In the Profiler, I had been using a profile that I set up for VROC > WINVROC.exe file. I've been told several times that it should be > pointing to the GPLLaunch file instead. Unfortunately, I could never > change the setting for this profile and make it "stick". (For some > reason the Profiler always reverted it back to the original setting.) I > also couldn't set up a new profile pointing to GPLLaunch because I would > get an error message saying that a profile pointing to that executable > already existed (when it didn't). So, I finally decided to wipe the > Profiler off of my hard drive and re-install it. > > After doing that, I now have a VROC profile that points to GPLLaunch. > Unfortunately, when I start that profile I get a very quick flash of the > "Launching GPL" pop-up that you get when entering a race in VROC, and > then I'm still left in the Profiler. > > Obviously, I either have the Profiler set-up wrong or there is a special > procedure that I'm not aware of to properly get into a VROC online race > thru the Logi profiler. > > Can a GPL-er that uses the Logi profiler please enlighten me on this? > All I want is to have my wheel's "feel" be the same offline and online > in GPL. Any help with this would be GREATLY appreciated! > > FWIW, I'm using Win98SE and Logi Profiler Version 4.20. > > Thanks! > Bert > >

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Thanks for your reply. However, I've already done that and therein lies the problem. When launching the profile pointing to GPLLaunch.exe, all I get is a quick "pop-up" of the "Launching GPL" message that you get when entering a race from the VROC race menu. Then nothing -- I'm back in the Profiler. Maybe I'm dense, but isn't GPLLaunch supposed to send you directly into the GPL Multiplayer screen? If so, even if it worked correctly, how would I see the VROC racelist, and enter a password, etc with such a profile? I keep thinking that I'm missing some obvious step. Why does it work for some, but not for me? Thanks. Bert JCanar wrote:

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> I think you need to create a specific profile for VROC, and point it to > "GPLLaunch.exe" which is what VROC uses to join GPL. Make sure it has all > the same settings as what you use in your GPL profile. Then select that as > the active profile in the wingman profiler, and start VROC. It works for me. > When VROC calls GPL, it should load the correct profile as well. > > hth, > jeff > > BRH <"bertrh<no-spam>"@attbi.com> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > > > Ever since getting my Logi MOMO Force Wheel, I have had problems in > > getting the Logi profiler and WinVROC to properly communicate. The > > problem is that the wheel feels drastically different in GPL online > > races than it does when running offline. Online, the forces feel a lot > > looser, there's a significant deadzone in the wheel's travel, and the > > car's weight/mass just feels much lighter. Being in a weekly GPL > > League, it's very frustrating to develop a set-up and practice all week > > offline, and then have a completely different feel during the actual > > race. > > > > In the Profiler, I had been using a profile that I set up for VROC > > WINVROC.exe file. I've been told several times that it should be > > pointing to the GPLLaunch file instead. Unfortunately, I could never > > change the setting for this profile and make it "stick". (For some > > reason the Profiler always reverted it back to the original setting.) I > > also couldn't set up a new profile pointing to GPLLaunch because I would > > get an error message saying that a profile pointing to that executable > > already existed (when it didn't). So, I finally decided to wipe the > > Profiler off of my hard drive and re-install it. > > > > After doing that, I now have a VROC profile that points to GPLLaunch. > > Unfortunately, when I start that profile I get a very quick flash of the > > "Launching GPL" pop-up that you get when entering a race in VROC, and > > then I'm still left in the Profiler. > > > > Obviously, I either have the Profiler set-up wrong or there is a special > > procedure that I'm not aware of to properly get into a VROC online race > > thru the Logi profiler. > > > > Can a GPL-er that uses the Logi profiler please enlighten me on this? > > All I want is to have my wheel's "feel" be the same offline and online > > in GPL. Any help with this would be GREATLY appreciated! > > > > FWIW, I'm using Win98SE and Logi Profiler Version 4.20. > > > > Thanks! > > Bert > > > > > > -- > <---------------------------------------> > When replying via email, please > remove "nosp/-\m" from the address > header > <--------------------------------------->

Thanks for your reply. However, I've already done that and therein lies the problem. When launching the profile pointing to GPLLaunch.exe, all I get is a quick "pop-up" of the "Launching GPL" message that you get when entering a race from the VROC race menu. Then nothing -- I'm back in the Profiler. Maybe I'm dense, but isn't GPLLaunch supposed to send you directly into the GPL Multiplayer screen? If so, even if it worked correctly, how would I see the VROC racelist, and enter a password, etc with such a profile? I keep thinking that I'm missing some obvious step. Why does it work for some, but not for me? Thanks. Bert

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> I think you need to create a specific profile for VROC, and point it to > "GPLLaunch.exe" which is what VROC uses to join GPL. Make sure it has all > the same settings as what you use in your GPL profile. Then select that as > the active profile in the wingman profiler, and start VROC. It works for me. > When VROC calls GPL, it should load the correct profile as well. > hth, > jeff > > Ever since getting my Logi MOMO Force Wheel, I have had problems in > > getting the Logi profiler and WinVROC to properly communicate. The > > problem is that the wheel feels drastically different in GPL online > > races than it does when running offline. Online, the forces feel a lot > > looser, there's a significant deadzone in the wheel's travel, and the > > car's weight/mass just feels much lighter. Being in a weekly GPL > > League, it's very frustrating to develop a set-up and practice all week > > offline, and then have a completely different feel during the actual > > race. > > In the Profiler, I had been using a profile that I set up for VROC > > WINVROC.exe file. I've been told several times that it should be > > pointing to the GPLLaunch file instead. Unfortunately, I could never > > change the setting for this profile and make it "stick". (For some > > reason the Profiler always reverted it back to the original setting.) I > > also couldn't set up a new profile pointing to GPLLaunch because I would > > get an error message saying that a profile pointing to that executable > > already existed (when it didn't). So, I finally decided to wipe the > > Profiler off of my hard drive and re-install it. > > After doing that, I now have a VROC profile that points to GPLLaunch. > > Unfortunately, when I start that profile I get a very quick flash of the > > "Launching GPL" pop-up that you get when entering a race in VROC, and > > then I'm still left in the Profiler. > > Obviously, I either have the Profiler set-up wrong or there is a special > > procedure that I'm not aware of to properly get into a VROC online race > > thru the Logi profiler. > > Can a GPL-er that uses the Logi profiler please enlighten me on this? > > All I want is to have my wheel's "feel" be the same offline and online > > in GPL. Any help with this would be GREATLY appreciated! > > FWIW, I'm using Win98SE and Logi Profiler Version 4.20. > > Thanks! > > Bert > -- > <---------------------------------------> > When replying via email, please > remove "nosp/-\m" from the address > header > <--------------------------------------->

You know, sometimes the easy answer is the best.... Although I'd rather not have to go the route that you describe, that might be the only answer. It hadn't even crossed my mind. Thanks! Pierre Robitaille wrote:

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> BRH <"bertrh<no-spam>"@attbi.com> wrote in news:3E7E5C1A.49BBE358 > @attbi.com: > > > [snip] > > Can a GPL-er that uses the Logi profiler please enlighten me on this? > > All I want is to have my wheel's "feel" be the same offline and online > > in GPL. Any help with this would be GREATLY appreciated! > > > > I've had the problem you describe. To get around it, ask your > league admin for the host IP and connect to your race from > GPL's multiplayer page. > HTH.

You know, sometimes the easy answer is the best.... Although I'd rather not have to go the route that you describe, that might be the only answer. It hadn't even crossed my mind. Thanks!

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> > [snip] > > Can a GPL-er that uses the Logi profiler please enlighten me on this? > > All I want is to have my wheel's "feel" be the same offline and online > > in GPL. Any help with this would be GREATLY appreciated! > I've had the problem you describe. To get around it, ask your > league admin for the host IP and connect to your race from > GPL's multiplayer page. > HTH.

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> Thanks for your reply. However, I've already done that and > therein lies the problem. When launching the profile pointing to > GPLLaunch.exe, all I get is a quick "pop-up" of the "Launching > GPL" message that you get when entering a race from the VROC race > menu. Then nothing -- I'm back in the Profiler. > > Maybe I'm dense, but isn't GPLLaunch supposed to send you directly > into the GPL Multiplayer screen? If so, even if it worked > correctly, how would I see the VROC racelist, and enter a > password, etc with such a profile? I keep thinking that I'm > missing some obvious step. Why does it work for some, but not for > me? > > Thanks. > > Bert >

<snip> I am using the Wingman Profiler with no problems -- although I did need to obtain the latest version from the Logi site. Version 4.something. First, you create a profile for GPLLaunch.exe Second, you need to set it to use the game profile when the game in question is opened, not just when you open the game using the Profiler. Third, you need to open the Wingman Profiler, but NOT use it to open any game. I just minimise it as soon as it opens. (This is after I have made the first two changes.) Finally, when you join a race in VROC, it will call GPLLaunch (which in turn activates the game profile). I can't recall the circumstance, but I set the Profiler option to always use the GPL.exe profile as default in all games. Was there some kind of problem that this fixed? I don't remember. But if you find that your settings are not what you thought they should be, you might try this as well. HTH, -- Darryl

Daryl, Thanks for the reply. My problem apparently has been that I was launching VROC through the Profiler, when all I need to have is the profiler being ACTIVE in the taskbar. I understand what you mean in Steps 1 and 3, but I'm not clear on #2. I don't believe that there is anything special for #2, since I believe that if the profiler is active in the taskbar, it will detect which game has been started and send it the proper profile. Thanks again, Bert Darryl Johnson wrote:

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> BRH <"bertrh wrote in news:[email hidden]: > > > Thanks for your reply. However, I've already done that and > > therein lies the problem. When launching the profile pointing to > > GPLLaunch.exe, all I get is a quick "pop-up" of the "Launching > > GPL" message that you get when entering a race from the VROC race > > menu. Then nothing -- I'm back in the Profiler. > > > > Maybe I'm dense, but isn't GPLLaunch supposed to send you directly > > into the GPL Multiplayer screen? If so, even if it worked > > correctly, how would I see the VROC racelist, and enter a > > password, etc with such a profile? I keep thinking that I'm > > missing some obvious step. Why does it work for some, but not for > > me? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Bert > > > <snip> > > I am using the Wingman Profiler with no problems -- although I did > need to obtain the latest version from the Logi site. Version > 4.something. > > First, you create a profile for GPLLaunch.exe > > Second, you need to set it to use the game profile when the game in > question is opened, not just when you open the game using the > Profiler. > > Third, you need to open the Wingman Profiler, but NOT use it to open > any game. I just minimise it as soon as it opens. (This is after I > have made the first two changes.) > > Finally, when you join a race in VROC, it will call GPLLaunch (which > in turn activates the game profile). > > I can't recall the circumstance, but I set the Profiler option to > always use the GPL.exe profile as default in all games. Was there > some kind of problem that this fixed? I don't remember. But if you > find that your settings are not what you thought they should be, you > might try this as well. > > HTH, > -- > Darryl

Daryl, Thanks for the reply. My problem apparently has been that I was launching VROC through the Profiler, when all I need to have is the profiler being ACTIVE in the taskbar. I understand what you mean in Steps 1 and 3, but I'm not clear on #2. I don't believe that there is anything special for #2, since I believe that if the profiler is active in the taskbar, it will detect which game has been started and send it the proper profile. Thanks again, Bert

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> > Thanks for your reply. However, I've already done that and > > therein lies the problem. When launching the profile pointing to > > GPLLaunch.exe, all I get is a quick "pop-up" of the "Launching > > GPL" message that you get when entering a race from the VROC race > > menu. Then nothing -- I'm back in the Profiler. > > Maybe I'm dense, but isn't GPLLaunch supposed to send you directly > > into the GPL Multiplayer screen? If so, even if it worked > > correctly, how would I see the VROC racelist, and enter a > > password, etc with such a profile? I keep thinking that I'm > > missing some obvious step. Why does it work for some, but not for > > me? > > Thanks. > > Bert > <snip> > I am using the Wingman Profiler with no problems -- although I did > need to obtain the latest version from the Logi site. Version > 4.something. > First, you create a profile for GPLLaunch.exe > Second, you need to set it to use the game profile when the game in > question is opened, not just when you open the game using the > Profiler. > Third, you need to open the Wingman Profiler, but NOT use it to open > any game. I just minimise it as soon as it opens. (This is after I > have made the first two changes.) > Finally, when you join a race in VROC, it will call GPLLaunch (which > in turn activates the game profile). > I can't recall the circumstance, but I set the Profiler option to > always use the GPL.exe profile as default in all games. Was there > some kind of problem that this fixed? I don't remember. But if you > find that your settings are not what you thought they should be, you > might try this as well. > HTH, > -- > Darryl

BRH <"bertrh wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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> Daryl, > > Thanks for the reply. My problem apparently has been that I was > launching VROC through the Profiler, when all I need to have is > the profiler being ACTIVE in the taskbar. > > I understand what you mean in Steps 1 and 3, but I'm not clear on > #2. I don't believe that there is anything special for #2, since > I believe that if the profiler is active in the taskbar, it will > detect which game has been started and send it the proper profile. > > > Thanks again, > Bert > > > > Darryl Johnson wrote: > >> BRH <"bertrh wrote in news:[email hidden]: >> >> > Thanks for your reply. However, I've already done that and >> > therein lies the problem. When launching the profile pointing >> > to GPLLaunch.exe, all I get is a quick "pop-up" of the >> > "Launching GPL" message that you get when entering a race from >> > the VROC race menu. Then nothing -- I'm back in the Profiler. >> >

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>> >> First, you create a profile for GPLLaunch.exe >> >> Second, you need to set it to use the game profile when the game >> in question is opened, not just when you open the game using the >> Profiler. >> >> Third, you need to open the Wingman Profiler, but NOT use it to >> open any game. I just minimise it as soon as it opens. (This is >> after I have made the first two changes.) >>

<snip> > Under the Options menu you will see a Global Profiler Settings menu item. It will have three radio button options: Do not apply profile to games, Apply profile to games, and Apply persistent profile (regardless of which game is loaded). I set it to use the persistent profile (which is set in a sub-option to be my GPL profile). I cannot remember why I ended up with that option rather than the option to apply the profile for the game which is being played. Perhaps because the "game" is GPLLaunch.EXE and not GPL.EXE... I just can't remember. Does that answer your question about point two? -- Darryl

Yes. Thanks. Darryl Johnson wrote:

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> BRH <"bertrh wrote in news:[email hidden]: > > > Daryl, > > > > Thanks for the reply. My problem apparently has been that I was > > launching VROC through the Profiler, when all I need to have is > > the profiler being ACTIVE in the taskbar. > > > > I understand what you mean in Steps 1 and 3, but I'm not clear on > > #2. I don't believe that there is anything special for #2, since > > I believe that if the profiler is active in the taskbar, it will > > detect which game has been started and send it the proper profile. > > > > > > Thanks again, > > Bert > > > > > > > > Darryl Johnson wrote: > > > >> BRH <"bertrh wrote in news:[email hidden]: > >> > >> > Thanks for your reply. However, I've already done that and > >> > therein lies the problem. When launching the profile pointing > >> > to GPLLaunch.exe, all I get is a quick "pop-up" of the > >> > "Launching GPL" message that you get when entering a race from > >> > the VROC race menu. Then nothing -- I'm back in the Profiler. > >> > > > <snip> > >> > >> First, you create a profile for GPLLaunch.exe > >> > >> Second, you need to set it to use the game profile when the game > >> in question is opened, not just when you open the game using the > >> Profiler. > >> > >> Third, you need to open the Wingman Profiler, but NOT use it to > >> open any game. I just minimise it as soon as it opens. (This is > >> after I have made the first two changes.) > >> > <snip> > > > > Under the Options menu you will see a Global Profiler Settings menu > item. It will have three radio button options: Do not apply profile > to games, Apply profile to games, and Apply persistent profile > (regardless of which game is loaded). I set it to use the persistent > profile (which is set in a sub-option to be my GPL profile). I cannot > remember why I ended up with that option rather than the option to > apply the profile for the game which is being played. Perhaps because > the "game" is GPLLaunch.EXE and not GPL.EXE... I just can't remember. > > Does that answer your question about point two? > -- > Darryl

Yes. Thanks.

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> > Daryl, > > Thanks for the reply. My problem apparently has been that I was > > launching VROC through the Profiler, when all I need to have is > > the profiler being ACTIVE in the taskbar. > > I understand what you mean in Steps 1 and 3, but I'm not clear on > > #2. I don't believe that there is anything special for #2, since > > I believe that if the profiler is active in the taskbar, it will > > detect which game has been started and send it the proper profile. > > Thanks again, > > Bert > >> > Thanks for your reply. However, I've already done that and > >> > therein lies the problem. When launching the profile pointing > >> > to GPLLaunch.exe, all I get is a quick "pop-up" of the > >> > "Launching GPL" message that you get when entering a race from > >> > the VROC race menu. Then nothing -- I'm back in the Profiler. > <snip> > >> First, you create a profile for GPLLaunch.exe > >> Second, you need to set it to use the game profile when the game > >> in question is opened, not just when you open the game using the > >> Profiler. > >> Third, you need to open the Wingman Profiler, but NOT use it to > >> open any game. I just minimise it as soon as it opens. (This is > >> after I have made the first two changes.) > <snip> > Under the Options menu you will see a Global Profiler Settings menu > item. It will have three radio button options: Do not apply profile > to games, Apply profile to games, and Apply persistent profile > (regardless of which game is loaded). I set it to use the persistent > profile (which is set in a sub-option to be my GPL profile). I cannot > remember why I ended up with that option rather than the option to > apply the profile for the game which is being played. Perhaps because > the "game" is GPLLaunch.EXE and not GPL.EXE... I just can't remember. > Does that answer your question about point two? > -- > Darryl