GTR 2002...better late than never...

Yeah, Yeah, I know this has been out for six months and I've read every bit of info that I could grab here on the ng, but nothing prepared me for driving down pitlane at Interlagos in the Lambourgini, blipping the throttle and having the wheel ripped from my hands as the cars backend broke loose! I am still about a month away from upgrading from my P-3 600, so I haven't been able to run F-1 2002 or the GTR mod, but fortunately my Brother just received his new PC and the Logitech Momo FF setup, which is the first force feedback eiher of us has had. To save time, I downloaded the GTR Mod with my cable connection (265 mb in 18 minutes... Cable is GOD!) and also dl'd the 1.2 patch. I had been telling Tim (my Brother) what everyone had been saying about GTR and we were both looking forward to something new. CHEEEEERIST! We were blown away! First took out the Lambourgini. Just awe inspriring. Fast and loud, unbelievable sound, the car felt just like I would have imagined. The force feedback takes this sim to a new level. Although it helps on Nascar, the sheer exhertion it takes to drive the road courses is palpable. The feel of the rumble strips, the touch under braking. Magnificent! Next to the Viper. Although a beautiful car, the sound was too tame for what I expected and the rev range seemed oddly low. Still a hoot to drive. Next the Ferrari (sorry can't remember the series, the low h.p. one) again, just so damn exciting! High revving, so much more nimble than the Viper and Lambourgini, a quick and deft touch. Stunning! The Porches were terrific! One after the other, just a joy. The only downside, to us, was the sound on the Viper and the Lister and the view from the cockpit of the Marcos, which, by the way, is what I would like the Viper to sound like. Loud and racuous! (of course this would also be the sound for a nice AC Cobra! :)) All in all, totally immersed us in the experience. The physics seem spot on, the smaller quicker cars were so much more nimble than the bigger, heavier, faster cars. I don't see that either of us will be moving on to another sim for a while as we go back and forth with this one. Like I said, better late than never! Thanks to the guys who put this together...just truly a work of art, what sim racing can be when it's done right, by people who care. Thanks again, Mike

Agreed :) The Viper sound is right though; it doesn't rev high at all, and on the track the sound is a dull drone. I've got some in-car recordings from Le Mans, and it's just that; boring. After all, what can you expect from a Truck engine :) I don't remember who said it, but it was something in the lines of "in this car 6 gears is a waste. It has so much torque 6th gear alone is enough.." It's an effective weapon though! /Matt "Race1530" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:[email hidden]... > Yeah, Yeah, I know this has been out for six months and I've read everybit of > info that I could grab here on the ng, but nothing prepared me for drivingdown > pitlane at Interlagos in the Lambourgini, blipping the throttle and havingthe > wheel ripped from my hands as the cars backend broke loose! > > I am still about a month away from upgrading from my P-3 600, so I haven'tbeen > able to run F-1 2002 or the GTR mod, but fortunately my Brother justreceived > his new PC and the Logitech Momo FF setup, which is the first forcefeedback > eiher of us has had. > > To save time, I downloaded the GTR Mod with my cable connection (265 mb in18 > minutes... Cable is GOD!) and also dl'd the 1.2 patch. > > I had been telling Tim (my Brother) what everyone had been saying aboutGTR and > we were both looking forward to something new. > > CHEEEEERIST! We were blown away! > > First took out the Lambourgini. Just awe inspriring. Fast and loud, > unbelievable sound, the car felt just like I would have imagined. Theforce > feedback takes this sim to a new level. Although it helps on Nascar, thesheer > exhertion it takes to drive the road courses is palpable. The feel of the > rumble strips, the touch under braking. Magnificent! > > Next to the Viper. Although a beautiful car, the sound was too tame forwhat I > expected and the rev range seemed oddly low. Still a hoot to drive. > > Next the Ferrari (sorry can't remember the series, the low h.p. one)again, > just so damn exciting! High revving, so much more nimble than the Viperand > Lambourgini, a quick and deft touch. Stunning! > > The Porches were terrific! One after the other, just a joy. > > The only downside, to us, was the sound on the Viper and the Lister andthe > view from the cockpit of the Marcos, which, by the way, is what I wouldlike > the Viper to sound like. Loud and racuous! (of course this would also bethe > sound for a nice AC Cobra! :)) > > All in all, totally immersed us in the experience. The physics seem spoton, > the smaller quicker cars were so much more nimble than the bigger,heavier, > faster cars. I don't see that either of us will be moving on to anothersim > for a while as we go back and forth with this one. > > Like I said, better late than never! > > Thanks to the guys who put this together...just truly a work of art, whatsim > racing can be when it's done right, by people who care. Thanks again, > Mike

Well said. Be sure to d/l all of the additional cars too. Sean

> Next to the Viper. Although a beautiful car, the sound was too tame forwhat I > expected and the rev range seemed oddly low. Still a hoot to drive. The sound of the Viper has been associated with a souped-up UPS truck. But that is indeed what they sound like. > Next the Ferrari (sorry can't remember the series, the low h.p. one)again, > just so damn exciting! High revving, so much more nimble than the Viperand > Lambourgini, a quick and deft touch. Stunning! The quickest car definately. I make a point of driving something else because everybody drives one. > The Porches were terrific! One after the other, just a joy. Takes a while to get a handle on - especially squirly under braking. > The only downside, to us, was the sound on the Viper and the Lister andthe > view from the cockpit of the Marcos, which, by the way, is what I wouldlike > the Viper to sound like. Loud and racuous! (of course this would also bethe > sound for a nice AC Cobra! :)) I drive the Marcos alot just to listen to it. Going fast in one is a real challenge. > All in all, totally immersed us in the experience. The physics seem spoton, > the smaller quicker cars were so much more nimble than the bigger,heavier, > faster cars. I don't see that either of us will be moving on to anothersim > for a while as we go back and forth with this one. I started out in the VMS League driving a NGT 360. Originally I wanted to drive a GT car in the league (because they're the most popular and fastest) but I was assigned the NGT car instead. I guess it turned out that the NGT races were more competitive, and it takes some finess to go fast in one (you need to carry a lot of speed through the corners) > > Like I said, better late than never! > > Thanks to the guys who put this together...just truly a work of art, whatsim > racing can be when it's done right, by people who care. Thanks again, > Mike I second that! Excellent job - another case where a couple of guys on their own time have created a mod that exceeds the original game - sort of like CounterStrike. Wait until the 360 Challenge mod comes out - we should have some ultra competitive racing then! CFster

I was wondering if there has been any discussion of whether or not there will be some "legends" style cars? AC Cobra...Cheetah...Chaparel... Lola... Vette...Triumph...MG...Jaguar...Ford GT40...Ferrari 250... I know its a lot of work...but was just dreaming....:)) Mike

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> >> Next to the Viper. Although a beautiful car, the sound was too tame >> for > what I >> expected and the rev range seemed oddly low. Still a hoot to drive. > > The sound of the Viper has been associated with a souped-up UPS truck. > But that is indeed what they sound like. >

I remember an INcar lap around Spa in an Oreca Viper(probably 1999?) that seemed very loud and Blattish(think Marcos)...But I have also heard SCCA incar footage that sounded very much like that in GTR. My favorite Viper sound is from the F1 2k1 FIA GT V3 mod(pre patch). That was much more Big Block sounding than the current sounds. The NEW Production Viper has a different exhaust because the owners also had complained how civilized the Snake sounded. The dual exhausts produced not a big V10 sound but rather two 5 cylinder exhaust notes. A new crossover pipe supposedly puts the bark into the sound. dave henrie

One of the most overhyped and overrated games I've ever played. "Race1530" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yeah, Yeah, I know this has been out for six months and I've read everybit of > info that I could grab here on the ng, but nothing prepared me for drivingdown > pitlane at Interlagos in the Lambourgini, blipping the throttle and havingthe > wheel ripped from my hands as the cars backend broke loose! > > I am still about a month away from upgrading from my P-3 600, so I haven'tbeen > able to run F-1 2002 or the GTR mod, but fortunately my Brother justreceived > his new PC and the Logitech Momo FF setup, which is the first forcefeedback > eiher of us has had. > > To save time, I downloaded the GTR Mod with my cable connection (265 mb in18 > minutes... Cable is GOD!) and also dl'd the 1.2 patch. > > I had been telling Tim (my Brother) what everyone had been saying aboutGTR and > we were both looking forward to something new. > > CHEEEEERIST! We were blown away! > > First took out the Lambourgini. Just awe inspriring. Fast and loud, > unbelievable sound, the car felt just like I would have imagined. Theforce > feedback takes this sim to a new level. Although it helps on Nascar, thesheer > exhertion it takes to drive the road courses is palpable. The feel of the > rumble strips, the touch under braking. Magnificent! > > Next to the Viper. Although a beautiful car, the sound was too tame forwhat I > expected and the rev range seemed oddly low. Still a hoot to drive. > > Next the Ferrari (sorry can't remember the series, the low h.p. one)again, > just so damn exciting! High revving, so much more nimble than the Viperand > Lambourgini, a quick and deft touch. Stunning! > > The Porches were terrific! One after the other, just a joy. > > The only downside, to us, was the sound on the Viper and the Lister andthe > view from the cockpit of the Marcos, which, by the way, is what I wouldlike > the Viper to sound like. Loud and racuous! (of course this would also bethe > sound for a nice AC Cobra! :)) > > All in all, totally immersed us in the experience. The physics seem spoton, > the smaller quicker cars were so much more nimble than the bigger,heavier, > faster cars. I don't see that either of us will be moving on to anothersim > for a while as we go back and forth with this one. > > Like I said, better late than never! > > Thanks to the guys who put this together...just truly a work of art, whatsim > racing can be when it's done right, by people who care. Thanks again, > Mike

"Kevin Webb" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > One of the most overhyped and overrated games I've ever played. > Lets see. F1 2k2 is 9 $$ at Wal Mart in a jewelbox. GTR is Free. find me ANY other title that can compare. Racer and Sirroco racing come to mind since they are totally free, but 40 to 50 Bucks for N2k3?(a great title that still has problems...dollar for dollar tho, it falls short) GTR's biggest failings are from it's core sim F1 2k2 base. The weak multiplayer, Open wheel damage model, Some graphic bugs(i.e.water spray inside the cockpit) and poor track modeling. It may not be your cup of tea...lots of folks are unfamiliar with the tracks and cars(mainly us Yanks) but the quality of GTR is such that it surpasses the original F1 2k2. Over-hyped? Most of the raves came from users not makers. Over-rated? It was the ONLY racing mod to score in a Internet poll about mods(gamespy?)...comming in third overall against half-life, quake III and Unreal mods. And again, the opinions were fellow users not producers or media hypesters. I respectfully disagree with your opinion. :) dave henrie

Dave's right - While F1-2002 has some shortcomings, it's got some great points and is practically a giveaway now in the U.S. And of course, the GTR mod's free. Plus, how many sim mods are actually BETTER than the base game? SB PS - NR2003's vastly superior multiplayer easily justifies the price premium for this plodder. Now, if they could get the AI to cuss at you when you chop 'em off... "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Kevin Webb" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > One of the most overhyped and overrated games I've ever played. > > > Lets see. F1 2k2 is 9 $$ at Wal Mart in a jewelbox. GTR is Free. find > me ANY other title that can compare. Racer and Sirroco racing come to

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> since they are totally free, but 40 to 50 Bucks for N2k3?(a great title > that still has problems...dollar for dollar tho, it falls short) > GTR's biggest failings are from it's core sim F1 2k2 base. The weak > multiplayer, Open wheel damage model, Some graphic bugs(i.e.water spray > inside the cockpit) and poor track modeling. > It may not be your cup of tea...lots of folks are unfamiliar with the > tracks and cars(mainly us Yanks) but the quality of GTR is such that it > surpasses the original F1 2k2. > Over-hyped? Most of the raves came from users not makers. > Over-rated? It was the ONLY racing mod to score in a Internet poll > about mods(gamespy?)...comming in third overall against half-life, quake > III and Unreal mods. And again, the opinions were fellow users not > producers or media hypesters. > I respectfully disagree with your opinion. :) > dave henrie

Huh? I didnt see any hype surrounding GTR2k2. Its came in much better than I had ever anticipated. What can anyone expect from a free mod? As it turned out this mod is better than 95% of the retail racing sims ever released. Funny you don't give any valid reasons for the dislikes? Trollish comments at best considering the rave reviews it received from all around the sim community. "Kevin Webb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > One of the most overhyped and overrated games I've ever played. >

Sure wish I could run it on my system, but its just not up to it I guess. I have a PIII 1g, V5, 512 ram, windows 98se, or maybe the problem is the Voodoo card (which I use because of GPL). F12002 runs ok. Or is a PIII 1g just not fast enough for GTR 2002? Steve

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> Sure wish I could run it on my system, but its just not up to it I > guess. I have a PIII 1g, V5, 512 ram, windows 98se, or maybe the > problem is the Voodoo card (which I use because of GPL). F12002 runs > ok. Or is a PIII 1g just not fast enough for GTR 2002? > > Steve >

If you can run F1 2k2 then you can run GTR. It does have a slightly lower average fps than the F1 sim, but if you leave the hud off and turn off the mirrors at the start...you should be ok. dave henrie

Fair enough. Hype comment retracted. Based more on the reviews here and elsewhere once the mod was released. Mob rules. I am just a dissenter. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LAlga.3489$[email hidden]... > Huh? I didnt see any hype surrounding GTR2k2. Its came in much betterthan > I had ever anticipated. What can anyone expect from a free mod? As it > turned out this mod is better than 95% of the retail racing sims ever > released. Funny you don't give any valid reasons for the dislikes? > Trollish comments at best considering the rave reviews it received fromall

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> around the sim community. > > "Kevin Webb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > One of the most overhyped and overrated games I've ever played. > > > >

Yes, yes. Anyone who disagrees with the masses and states an opinion against the general consent is a troll. Whatever bra. My reasons. Sound: poor. graphics: better than average but not stunning. Physics: poor. Gave it a shot. Ran it a few hours ultimately. Didn't think much of it. I suppose my bias of running round tracks has a part in it. I never heard about the rule that said you have to agree with the consensus or your a troll. Mental note taken. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LAlga.3489$[email hidden]... > Huh? I didnt see any hype surrounding GTR2k2. Its came in much betterthan > I had ever anticipated. What can anyone expect from a free mod? As it > turned out this mod is better than 95% of the retail racing sims ever > released. Funny you don't give any valid reasons for the dislikes? > Trollish comments at best considering the rave reviews it received fromall

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> around the sim community. > > "Kevin Webb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > One of the most overhyped and overrated games I've ever played. > > > >

>If you can run F1 2k2 then you can run GTR. I'm not sure why, but I have GTR on 4 computers here and it won't run on the 533MHz. F1 2K2 will, but GTR won't. Never did figure out why though. Bill Berry

"Kevin Webb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yes, yes. Anyone who disagrees with the masses and states an opinion > against the general consent is a troll. Whatever bra. > > My reasons. Sound: poor. graphics: better than average but notstunning. > Physics: poor. > > Gave it a shot. Ran it a few hours ultimately. Didn't think much of it.I > suppose my bias of running round tracks has a part in it. I never heard > about the rule that said you have to agree with the consensus or your a > troll. Mental note taken. You can have and say whatever opinion you want, whether it's popular or not, but you can't really expect to get away with just saying "it sucks" or "it rules", you have to say "I think it sucks because..." ;-) Some sims really do suck, but in the case of F12002/GTR I don't think it does, and as you've seen many others think it's great too. As Dave pointed out though, it has it's failings, and I believe the jury is still out on the sound distortion. I think it adds something to the experience, and while it's not the sound you might hear if you were sat in the real car, to my ears it sounds close to what the mic on the in-car cameras pick up, which is as close as most of us will ever come to hearing a race spec Diablo or 360 at full chat. Don't sulk just because other people disagree, everyone has different tastes. But you have to back up your opinions with some justification, particularly if you are commenting on such a popular sim as the GTR mod ;-) Malc.

Actually no, I don't. I gave a few generalizations why I have not been impressed with this mod in another part of this thread but I feel no compulsion to justify my remarks or opinions. Sulk? How in the world did you get that? "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fNuga.98$[email hidden]...

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> "Kevin Webb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Yes, yes. Anyone who disagrees with the masses and states an opinion > > against the general consent is a troll. Whatever bra. > > > > My reasons. Sound: poor. graphics: better than average but not > stunning. > > Physics: poor. > > > > Gave it a shot. Ran it a few hours ultimately. Didn't think much of

it. > I > > suppose my bias of running round tracks has a part in it. I never heard > > about the rule that said you have to agree with the consensus or your a > > troll. Mental note taken. > > You can have and say whatever opinion you want, whether it's popular ornot, > but you can't really expect to get away with just saying "it sucks" or "it > rules", you have to say "I think it sucks because..." ;-) > > Some sims really do suck, but in the case of F12002/GTR I don't think it > does, and as you've seen many others think it's great too. As Dave pointed > out though, it has it's failings, and I believe the jury is still out onthe > sound distortion. I think it adds something to the experience, and while > it's not the sound you might hear if you were sat in the real car, to my > ears it sounds close to what the mic on the in-car cameras pick up, whichis > as close as most of us will ever come to hearing a race spec Diablo or 360 > at full chat. > > Don't sulk just because other people disagree, everyone has different > tastes. But you have to back up your opinions with some justification, > particularly if you are commenting on such a popular sim as the GTR mod;-) > > Malc. > >

"Kevin Webb" wrote... > Fair enough. Hype comment retracted. Based more on the > reviews here and elsewhere once the mod was released. > Mob rules. I am just a dissenter. FWIW I think it was the way in which they were made, rather than the comments themselves that struck a nerve. Jan. =---

>>Actually no, I don't. I gave a few generalizations why I have not beenimpressed with this mod in another part of this thread but I feel no compulsion to justify my remarks or opinions. Sulk? How in the world did you get that?>> Ken, your right, You surely do have your right to express any opinion that you want. It was just that your original post said, >>One of the most overhyped and overrated games I've ever played>> Since the thread that I started was about the highlights of the sim as I found them, when you write what you did, without any comments on why, it will almost always come off as a troll. Without context, it will look as though your just trying to get peoples emotions on the rise. Surely no one can tell you to write more, as this your choice, but if we react to the reply as a troll, please afford us the same right to OUR opinion. Thanks, Mike

Go away with your silly logic. ;) "Race1530" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >>Actually no, I don't. I gave a few generalizations why I have not been > impressed with this mod in another part of this thread but I feel no > compulsion to justify my remarks or opinions. Sulk? How in the world did > you get that?>> > > Ken, your right, You surely do have your right to express any opinionthat you > want. It was just that your original post said, > > >>One of the most overhyped and overrated games I've ever played>> > > Since the thread that I started was about the highlights of the sim as Ifound > them, when you write what you did, without any comments on why, it willalmost > always come off as a troll. Without context, it will look as though yourjust > trying to get peoples emotions on the rise. > > Surely no one can tell you to write more, as this your choice, but if wereact > to the reply as a troll, please afford us the same right to OUR opinion. > > Thanks, Mike