I got the red Momo Force installed, fired up rFactor, and gave it a
test drive. I did not try to make any adjustments to make it feel
better - just remapped the controls to the new wheels and took off.
It shouldn't be a surprise, but I thought I'd comment anyway. I can
tell you unequivocally that the G25 blows it away. There is no
comparison in the smoothness, the response time, and the crispness of
the feedback.
If you've tried FF wheels in the past and didn't like them, you may
want to give it another try with a G25. It's a completely different
experience.
Pat Dotson
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The thing that is holding me back is the wire nightare. I have owned a
Logi Red (cable driven, not the MOMO), an Act-Labs Monstrosity, and a
Logi Black Momo.
Logi Red kicks all sorts of ass when it comes to setup and tear down.
Only one wire comes up from the pedal unit to the wheel.
It must be some sort of OCD that makes me go all pissy when hooking up
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wheel/pedal combo. The Red Logi was such a nice solution. Why can great
solutions to problems not be built upon??
MRSisson
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> I got the red Momo Force installed, fired up rFactor, and gave it a > test drive. I did not try to make any adjustments to make it feel > better - just remapped the controls to the new wheels and took off. > > It shouldn't be a surprise, but I thought I'd comment anyway. I can > tell you unequivocally that the G25 blows it away. There is no > comparison in the smoothness, the response time, and the crispness of > the feedback. > > If you've tried FF wheels in the past and didn't like them, you may > want to give it another try with a G25. It's a completely different > experience. >
Michael Sisson wrote:
[snip]
>
> The thing that is holding me back is the wire nightare. I have owned a
> Logi Red (cable driven, not the MOMO), an Act-Labs Monstrosity, and a
> Logi Black Momo.[snip]
My ActLabs refuses to die, so I haven't had an excuse to get a G25 yet
;). Just an idea, but are all the plugs/sockets on the G25 standard?
What about wiring together an intermediate harness with a single plug
to connect/disconnect? If nobody runs with the idea I might get one
just to try it out, and maybe see if anyone wants to buy one.
Kendt
I love the G25 with three exceptions:
1. No center clamp for the wheel.
2. The cable madness.
3. Lack of forces around dead center (about 10 deg worth, each side).
4. The way too short cable for the pedals.
Ok, so that's 4 :)
-Larry
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>I got the red Momo Force installed, fired up rFactor, and gave it a > test drive. I did not try to make any adjustments to make it feel > better - just remapped the controls to the new wheels and took off. > > It shouldn't be a surprise, but I thought I'd comment anyway. I can > tell you unequivocally that the G25 blows it away. There is no > comparison in the smoothness, the response time, and the crispness of > the feedback. > > If you've tried FF wheels in the past and didn't like them, you may > want to give it another try with a G25. It's a completely different > experience. > > Pat Dotson >"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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#3 has me wondering - I have a G25 on the way and one of the things I was
hoping to see much improved from the DFP is the dead feel around center.
I'd thought the twin motors and less gear reduction would have helped a lot
there. Hmmm... As for #4, I remember seeing a posting at RSC from someone
at Logitech that you can use an extender cable for the pedals. It's
apparently a standard cable type, so you can buy lots of them and run it all
the way around your house. ;-)
SB
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>I love the G25 with three exceptions: > > 1. No center clamp for the wheel. > 2. The cable madness. > 3. Lack of forces around dead center (about 10 deg worth, each side). > 4. The way too short cable for the pedals. > > Ok, so that's 4 :) > > -Larry
"Steve Blankenship" <steveNOSPAMblankenshipATcomcast.net> wrote in message
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Not sure if Larry is saying it lacks feel around center in all sims he's
tried it with, but with rFactor you can edit a line in your
player/controller file which eliminates the dead zone around center. Should
look like this: FFB steer force neutral range="0.00000"
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David G Fisher
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> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:4h9th.42310$[email hidden]... >>I love the G25 with three exceptions: >> >> 1. No center clamp for the wheel. >> 2. The cable madness. >> 3. Lack of forces around dead center (about 10 deg worth, each side). >> 4. The way too short cable for the pedals. >> >> Ok, so that's 4 :) >> >> -Larry > > #3 has me wondering - I have a G25 on the way and one of the things I was > hoping to see much improved from the DFP is the dead feel around center. > I'd thought the twin motors and less gear reduction would have helped a > lot there. Hmmm... As for #4, I remember seeing a posting at RSC from > someone at Logitech that you can use an extender cable for the pedals. > It's apparently a standard cable type, so you can buy lots of them and run > it all the way around your house. ;-) > > SB
Dave F wrote:
I'll check myself, but is this in all ISI sims? If GTR2 and GTL can't
be edited to remove this I'll never get a G25.
Kendt
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> "Steve Blankenship" <steveNOSPAMblankenshipATcomcast.net> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:4h9th.42310$[email hidden]... > >>I love the G25 with three exceptions: > >> > >> 1. No center clamp for the wheel. > >> 2. The cable madness. > >> 3. Lack of forces around dead center (about 10 deg worth, each side). > >> 4. The way too short cable for the pedals. > >> > >> Ok, so that's 4 :) > >> > >> -Larry > > > > #3 has me wondering - I have a G25 on the way and one of the things I was > > hoping to see much improved from the DFP is the dead feel around center. > > I'd thought the twin motors and less gear reduction would have helped a > > lot there. Hmmm... As for #4, I remember seeing a posting at RSC from > > someone at Logitech that you can use an extender cable for the pedals. > > It's apparently a standard cable type, so you can buy lots of them and run > > it all the way around your house. ;-) > > > > SB > > Not sure if Larry is saying it lacks feel around center in all sims he's > tried it with, but with rFactor you can edit a line in your > player/controller file which eliminates the dead zone around center. Should > look like this: FFB steer force neutral range="0.00000" > > > -- > David G Fisher[email hidden] wrote:
DGF is right. Edit that line to zero and there is no slack at the
center of the wheel movement. One side effect might be increased
steering oscillation. Some mods are worse than others in this regard.
You can add some damping and friction effects to counteract the
oscillation.
Pat Dotson
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> Dave F wrote: > > > Not sure if Larry is saying it lacks feel around center in all sims he's > > tried it with, but with rFactor you can edit a line in your > > player/controller file which eliminates the dead zone around center. Should > > look like this: FFB steer force neutral range="0.00000" > > I'll check myself, but is this in all ISI sims? If GTR2 and GTL can't > be edited to remove this I'll never get a G25. > > Kendt"Dave F" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Not sure if Larry is saying it lacks feel around center in all sims he's
> tried it with, but with rFactor you can edit a line in your
> player/controller file which eliminates the dead zone around center.
> Should look like this: FFB steer force neutral range="0.00000"
> --
> David G Fisher
Thanks Dave, but I had already done that sometime back. Spent a good bit of
time tweaking the FF variables in rFactor and was much happier with it after
the fact. The thing I'm talking about with the DFP is not just in rF; it
occurs either on-center or whenever the steering forces are reversing. I
just figured it was due to the extreme gear reduction on the motor, since
the motor was going to have to wind up from a stop or a direction change
before you were going to feel much resistance and it always came in a bit
clunky, where in a real car the forces build up much more smoothly
off-center. Most every DFP/G25 comparison I've seen has said that aspect
was much better, so I was surprised to see Larry's take on it. I'll be
interested to see how it feels to me when it comes in; it just about has to
be a lot better due to the design and higher speed of rotation. We shall
see!
SB
You aren't going to get your wish :(
-Larry
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> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:4h9th.42310$[email hidden]... >>I love the G25 with three exceptions: >> >> 1. No center clamp for the wheel. >> 2. The cable madness. >> 3. Lack of forces around dead center (about 10 deg worth, each side). >> 4. The way too short cable for the pedals. >> >> Ok, so that's 4 :) >> >> -Larry > > #3 has me wondering - I have a G25 on the way and one of the things I was > hoping to see much improved from the DFP is the dead feel around center. > I'd thought the twin motors and less gear reduction would have helped a > lot there. Hmmm... As for #4, I remember seeing a posting at RSC from > someone at Logitech that you can use an extender cable for the pedals. > It's apparently a standard cable type, so you can buy lots of them and run > it all the way around your house. ;-) > > SB >It's mainly NR2003 where I have the issue. I haven't really messed with any
of the ISI sims enough to work it out, but I'll look into this one.
Thanks!
-Larry
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> > "Steve Blankenship" <steveNOSPAMblankenshipATcomcast.net> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:4h9th.42310$[email hidden]... >>>I love the G25 with three exceptions: >>> >>> 1. No center clamp for the wheel. >>> 2. The cable madness. >>> 3. Lack of forces around dead center (about 10 deg worth, each side). >>> 4. The way too short cable for the pedals. >>> >>> Ok, so that's 4 :) >>> >>> -Larry >> >> #3 has me wondering - I have a G25 on the way and one of the things I was >> hoping to see much improved from the DFP is the dead feel around center. >> I'd thought the twin motors and less gear reduction would have helped a >> lot there. Hmmm... As for #4, I remember seeing a posting at RSC from >> someone at Logitech that you can use an extender cable for the pedals. >> It's apparently a standard cable type, so you can buy lots of them and >> run it all the way around your house. ;-) >> >> SB > > Not sure if Larry is saying it lacks feel around center in all sims he's > tried it with, but with rFactor you can edit a line in your > player/controller file which eliminates the dead zone around center. > Should look like this: FFB steer force neutral range="0.00000" > > > -- > David G Fisher >It IS better than the DFP.
-Larry
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> time tweaking the FF variables in rFactor and was much happier with it > after the fact. The thing I'm talking about with the DFP is not just in > rF; it occurs either on-center or whenever the steering forces are > reversing. I just figured it was due to the extreme gear reduction on the > motor, since the motor was going to have to wind up from a stop or a > direction change before you were going to feel much resistance and it > always came in a bit clunky, where in a real car the forces build up much > more smoothly off-center. Most every DFP/G25 comparison I've seen has > said that aspect was much better, so I was surprised to see Larry's take > on it. I'll be interested to see how it feels to me when it comes in; it > just about has to be a lot better due to the design and higher speed of > rotation. We shall see! > > SB >On 23 Jan 2007 08:57:03 -0800, [email hidden] wrote:
>DGF is right. Edit that line to zero and there is no slack at the
>center of the wheel movement. One side effect might be increased
>steering oscillation. Some mods are worse than others in this regard.
>You can add some damping and friction effects to counteract the
>oscillation.
That's why I actually like that deadzone, you're not snaking down
the straight trying to find centre. In past wheels I would set a
light center spring so I wasn't rocking from left to right trying
to keep the wheel centered.
Cheers,
Rod.
