From Bottom to Top in the TSW 500 ... Tks Don Wilshe

I've read a great deal lately about cheats, aids and crazy setups. Let me relate what happened during the Latest TSW 500 Qualifying using N2002. My qualifying speeds were in the 183.3 range and I was struggling. I spoke with Don who gave me a hand ful of tips, none of which had anything to do with my setup.His advice had to do with the driving line (tight against the wall), use of steering assistance so I could stick on the wall, my pots, steering linearty, and grounding my wheel. I did everything he suggested (except grounding the wheel) and wah la, 183.7's & 8's. At that point I went from about 120 to the top 25 and stood on my 1st round qual speed. Afterward I grounded the wheel and went to the high 183.9's. The ironic part is I never changed my setup, never !!!! . I think a lot of people get hung up on the way they feel things should be. Believe me, this sim is no different than the real deal, the top competitors take every advantage available to them, and then some. If you don't believe that ask yourself, why was the 20 car impounded this weekend or why are the electronics are in plain view, ah, were teams using traction control ?. You tell me. Like Todd Parrott said a few years back after dominating Daytona, quit crying and get the tool box out. A lot of people on this newsgroup would do well to take the same advice. J

Thanks Jimmy If you cant think of out the box. Do the opposite of others just to see what happens. You will never get faster. DW "Jimmy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... I've read a great deal lately about cheats, aids and crazy setups. Let me relate what happened during the Latest TSW 500 Qualifying using N2002. My qualifying speeds were in the 183.3 range and I was struggling. I spoke with Don who gave me a hand ful of tips, none of which had anything to do with my setup.His advice had to do with the driving line (tight against the wall), use of steering assistance so I could stick on the wall, my pots, steering linearty, and grounding my wheel. I did everything he suggested (except grounding the wheel) and wah la, 183.7's & 8's. At that point I went from about 120 to the top 25 and stood on my 1st round qual speed. Afterward I grounded the wheel and went to the high 183.9's. The ironic part is I never changed my setup, never !!!! . I think a lot of people get hung up on the way they feel things should be. Believe me, this sim is no different than the real deal, the top competitors take every advantage available to them, and then some. If you don't believe that ask yourself, why was the 20 car impounded this weekend or why are the electronics are in plain view, ah, were teams using traction control ?. You tell me. Like Todd Parrott said a few years back after dominating Daytona, quit crying and get the tool box out. A lot of people on this newsgroup would do well to take the same advice. J

No offense meant, but I feel the use of steering asst is a cheat. For those guys who are driving on thier own ability and didn't make it, I am sure they would feel the same way. As for the crazy setup stuff, I guess if it's in the setup options so be it. I am hopeful that the whole issue will be put to bed soon with a true hardcore patch. Then leagues that want to run it can and the rest can run whatever they want, problem solved. Chad "Jimmy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... I've read a great deal lately about cheats, aids and crazy setups. Let me relate what happened during the Latest TSW 500 Qualifying using N2002. My qualifying speeds were in the 183.3 range and I was struggling. I spoke with Don who gave me a hand ful of tips, none of which had anything to do with my setup.His advice had to do with the driving line (tight against the wall), use of steering assistance so I could stick on the wall, my pots, steering linearty, and grounding my wheel. I did everything he suggested (except grounding the wheel) and wah la, 183.7's & 8's. At that point I went from about 120 to the top 25 and stood on my 1st round qual speed. Afterward I grounded the wheel and went to the high 183.9's. The ironic part is I never changed my setup, never !!!! . I think a lot of people get hung up on the way they feel things should be. Believe me, this sim is no different than the real deal, the top competitors take every advantage available to them, and then some. If you don't believe that ask yourself, why was the 20 car impounded this weekend or why are the electronics are in plain view, ah, were teams using traction control ?. You tell me. Like Todd Parrott said a few years back after dominating Daytona, quit crying and get the tool box out. A lot of people on this newsgroup would do well to take the same advice. J

Your Point Chad.. I wonder how many of the over 636 that entered TSW500 cheaters.. lol How to make friends. lol.. I would say you offended about 300 to 400 people DW "Chad Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:InLha.5956$OV.110373@rwcrnsc54... No offense meant, but I feel the use of steering asst is a cheat. For those guys who are driving on thier own ability and didn't make it, I am sure they would feel the same way. As for the crazy setup stuff, I guess if it's in the setup options so be it. I am hopeful that the whole issue will be put to bed soon with a true hardcore patch. Then leagues that want to run it can and the rest can run whatever they want, problem solved. Chad "Jimmy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... I've read a great deal lately about cheats, aids and crazy setups. Let me relate what happened during the Latest TSW 500 Qualifying using N2002. My qualifying speeds were in the 183.3 range and I was struggling. I spoke with Don who gave me a hand ful of tips, none of which had anything to do with my setup.His advice had to do with the driving line (tight against the wall), use of steering assistance so I could stick on the wall, my pots, steering linearty, and grounding my wheel. I did everything he suggested (except grounding the wheel) and wah la, 183.7's & 8's. At that point I went from about 120 to the top 25 and stood on my 1st round qual speed. Afterward I grounded the wheel and went to the high 183.9's. The ironic part is I never changed my setup, never !!!! . I think a lot of people get hung up on the way they feel things should be. Believe me, this sim is no different than the real deal, the top competitors take every advantage available to them, and then some. If you don't believe that ask yourself, why was the 20 car impounded this weekend or why are the electronics are in plain view, ah, were teams using traction control ?. You tell me. Like Todd Parrott said a few years back after dominating Daytona, quit crying and get the tool box out. A lot of people on this newsgroup would do well to take the same advice. J

"Jimmy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > My qualifying speeds were in the 183.3 range and I was struggling. I spokewith > Don who gave me a hand ful of tips, none of which had anything to do withmy > setup.His advice had to do with the driving line (tight against the wall),use of > steering assistance so I could stick on the wall, my pots, steeringlinearty, and > grounding my wheel. Did he suggest running into the walls with both sides so your car would be narrower?

I thought you never used Aids Don? According to this guy you actually suggested using them Anyway please explain how to "ground" the wheel. "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NGLha.66069$[email hidden]... Your Point Chad.. I wonder how many of the over 636 that entered TSW500 cheaters.. lol How to make friends. lol.. I would say you offended about 300 to 400 people DW "Chad Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:InLha.5956$OV.110373@rwcrnsc54... No offense meant, but I feel the use of steering asst is a cheat. For those guys who are driving on thier own ability and didn't make it, I am sure they would feel the same way. As for the crazy setup stuff, I guess if it's in the setup options so be it. I am hopeful that the whole issue will be put to bed soon with a true hardcore patch. Then leagues that want to run it can and the rest can run whatever they want, problem solved. Chad "Jimmy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... I've read a great deal lately about cheats, aids and crazy setups. Let me relate what happened during the Latest TSW 500 Qualifying using N2002. My qualifying speeds were in the 183.3 range and I was struggling. I spoke with Don who gave me a hand ful of tips, none of which had anything to do with my setup.His advice had to do with the driving line (tight against the wall), use of steering assistance so I could stick on the wall, my pots, steering linearty, and grounding my wheel. I did everything he suggested (except grounding the wheel) and wah la, 183.7's & 8's. At that point I went from about 120 to the top 25 and stood on my 1st round qual speed. Afterward I grounded the wheel and went to the high 183.9's. The ironic part is I never changed my setup, never !!!! . I think a lot of people get hung up on the way they feel things should be. Believe me, this sim is no different than the real deal, the top competitors take every advantage available to them, and then some. If you don't believe that ask yourself, why was the 20 car impounded this weekend or why are the electronics are in plain view, ah, were teams using traction control ?. You tell me. Like Todd Parrott said a few years back after dominating Daytona, quit crying and get the tool box out. A lot of people on this newsgroup would do well to take the same advice. J

Your brain dead KK.. I said I used them in N2002. Because it was suppose to be slower. Didnt want to scare myself on the high speed tracks. But than I tried them on Nascar 2003 and it ran good.. but when the likes of you siggested it was wrong.. i turned off the aides and went faster.. DW I have said this about 15 times.. do you ever read my post.. lol. dw "Kevin King" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iiOha.22081$qF3.11362@fed1read04... I thought you never used Aids Don? According to this guy you actually suggested using them Anyway please explain how to "ground" the wheel. "Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NGLha.66069$[email hidden]... Your Point Chad.. I wonder how many of the over 636 that entered TSW500 cheaters.. lol How to make friends. lol.. I would say you offended about 300 to 400 people DW "Chad Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:InLha.5956$OV.110373@rwcrnsc54... No offense meant, but I feel the use of steering asst is a cheat. For those guys who are driving on thier own ability and didn't make it, I am sure they would feel the same way. As for the crazy setup stuff, I guess if it's in the setup options so be it. I am hopeful that the whole issue will be put to bed soon with a true hardcore patch. Then leagues that want to run it can and the rest can run whatever they want, problem solved. Chad "Jimmy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... I've read a great deal lately about cheats, aids and crazy setups. Let me relate what happened during the Latest TSW 500 Qualifying using N2002. My qualifying speeds were in the 183.3 range and I was struggling. I spoke with Don who gave me a hand ful of tips, none of which had anything to do with my setup.His advice had to do with the driving line (tight against the wall), use of steering assistance so I could stick on the wall, my pots, steering linearty, and grounding my wheel. I did everything he suggested (except grounding the wheel) and wah la, 183.7's & 8's. At that point I went from about 120 to the top 25 and stood on my 1st round qual speed. Afterward I grounded the wheel and went to the high 183.9's. The ironic part is I never changed my setup, never !!!! . I think a lot of people get hung up on the way they feel things should be. Believe me, this sim is no different than the real deal, the top competitors take every advantage available to them, and then some. If you don't believe that ask yourself, why was the 20 car impounded this weekend or why are the electronics are in plain view, ah, were teams using traction control ?. You tell me. Like Todd Parrott said a few years back after dominating Daytona, quit crying and get the tool box out. A lot of people on this newsgroup would do well to take the same advice. J

I didn't call anyone a cheater, I said that I believe it's a cheat. That is for each person to decide. Like I said, I am hopeful that the leagues that choose to enforce a hardcore mode, now can. I am not trying to stir any pot. Chad "Alan J. Claffie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b68af2$2m8ke$[email hidden]... > "Jimmy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > My qualifying speeds were in the 183.3 range and I was struggling. Ispoke > with > > Don who gave me a hand ful of tips, none of which had anything to dowith > my > > setup.His advice had to do with the driving line (tight against thewall),

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> use of > > steering assistance so I could stick on the wall, my pots, steering > linearty, and > > grounding my wheel. > > Did he suggest running into the walls with both sides so your car would be > narrower? > >

"Chad Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<InLha.5956$OV.110373@rwcrnsc54>...

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> No offense meant, but I feel the use of steering asst is a cheat. For > those guys who are driving on thier own ability and didn't make it, I am > sure they would feel the same way. As for the crazy setup stuff, I > guess if it's in the setup options so be it. I am hopeful that the > whole issue will be put to bed soon with a true hardcore patch. Then > leagues that want to run it can and the rest can run whatever they want, > problem solved.

I see where Chad is coming from. Not sure if I would use the work "cheat" because it *is* allowed in the game. I'm surprised, if 300-400 people have been offended, that there are so many people using driving aids, though. But then I was also surprised at how few use the cockpit view. As far as I'm concerned, people can do what they want within the confines of the game but *I* would take no pride in a good result that was gained through the use of driving aids. I want things to be, as far as possible, all my own work. If that means I never win a race, so be it. Regards, Mark Davison OVAL Deputy Admin Car #69 http://www.markdavison.clara.net/OVAL/

"Alan J. Claffie" <[email hidden]> wrote > Did he suggest running into the walls with both sides so your car would be > narrower? Classic `;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Don Wilshe" <[email hidden]> wrote >Your brain dead KK.. I said I used them in N2002. Because it was supposeto be >slower. Didnt want to scare myself on the high speed tracks. "scare" yourself? oh please Don. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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Ireally dont care much if it will make you faster or not... in some cases faster isnt even and issue.. Some times *safer* is the big issue... Case is point: Try the default 'fast' setup at Bristol or Texas; turn off all 'aids' give it a real go on cold tires with and full tanks... but watch out in turn 3! Do a few laps and see how "scary" that car is on cold tires. Go back to the pits, turn on "stability help" and then reset the car so you have new cold tires and a full tank... and then give it a real good go again. Now if that dont display the problems with this - I dont know what will... All i'm interrested in is a fair fight... if I'm "not allowed" to use it I should be confident that others cant use it either. An option that allow the host to approve or ban these aids - will solve the problem in 1, 2, 3! If I'm running a league - should I not be entitled to set all the rules for *my* league? Make it an option and everyone will be happy - that way those who need these aids can use them in *their* races... and those of us who dont want to see them being used in *our* races, can sleep better knowing no "cheating" is taking place. The same goes for that so-called wall-riding "fix". If some people have issues/problems with wall-riding in their races -they could turn the anti-wall riding thing on and be happy with that.. Then those of us who really think the fix causes more harm than good can turn it off and enjoy safer races without worrying about cars being 50 mph off pace. It cannot be that hard to include - can it Papy? -- ed_

Ground the wheel?!? How? Why? By what physics principle does it improve your speed? Just curious, after all those years of online racing, that's the first time I hear that! -- Philippe "Philster" Sergerie "Jimmy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... I've read a great deal lately about cheats, aids and crazy setups. Let me relate what happened during the Latest TSW 500 Qualifying using N2002. My qualifying speeds were in the 183.3 range and I was struggling. I spoke with Don who gave me a hand ful of tips, none of which had anything to do with my setup.His advice had to do with the driving line (tight against the wall), use of steering assistance so I could stick on the wall, my pots, steering linearty, and grounding my wheel. I did everything he suggested (except grounding the wheel) and wah la, 183.7's & 8's. At that point I went from about 120 to the top 25 and stood on my 1st round qual speed. Afterward I grounded the wheel and went to the high 183.9's. The ironic part is I never changed my setup, never !!!! . I think a lot of people get hung up on the way they feel things should be. Believe me, this sim is no different than the real deal, the top competitors take every advantage available to them, and then some. If you don't believe that ask yourself, why was the 20 car impounded this weekend or why are the electronics are in plain view, ah, were teams using traction control ?. You tell me. Like Todd Parrott said a few years back after dominating Daytona, quit crying and get the tool box out. A lot of people on this newsgroup would do well to take the same advice. J

Yup, then they'll just go back to RAM cheat. <G> -- Paul "Tarrant" Yuknis #48 Jesus Saves Chevrolet Monte Carlo http://www.RacingForJesus.com "Turning Left ....... Living Right !" "Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Chad Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<InLha.5956$OV.110373@rwcrnsc54>... > > No offense meant, but I feel the use of steering asst is a cheat. For > > those guys who are driving on thier own ability and didn't make it, I am > > sure they would feel the same way. As for the crazy setup stuff, I > > guess if it's in the setup options so be it. I am hopeful that the > > whole issue will be put to bed soon with a true hardcore patch. Then > > leagues that want to run it can and the rest can run whatever they want, > > problem solved. > > I see where Chad is coming from. Not sure if I would use the work > "cheat" because it *is* allowed in the game. I'm surprised, if > 300-400 people have been offended, that there are so many people using > driving aids, though. But then I was also surprised at how few use > the cockpit view. As far as I'm concerned, people can do what they > want within the confines of the game but *I* would take no pride in a > good result that was gained through the use of driving aids. I want > things to be, as far as possible, all my own work. If that means I > never win a race, so be it. > > Regards, > > Mark Davison > OVAL Deputy Admin > Car #69 > http://www.markdavison.clara.net/OVAL/

I tell you experts that dont understand what static electricity buildup can do to the operational aspects of a POT.. Just ground it.. Don It wont jump.. Thats static... not a bad pot "Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ar7ia.48437$[email hidden]... Ground the wheel?!? How? Why? By what physics principle does it improve your speed? Just curious, after all those years of online racing, that's the first time I hear that! -- Philippe "Philster" Sergerie "Jimmy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... I've read a great deal lately about cheats, aids and crazy setups. Let me relate what happened during the Latest TSW 500 Qualifying using N2002. My qualifying speeds were in the 183.3 range and I was struggling. I spoke with Don who gave me a hand ful of tips, none of which had anything to do with my setup.His advice had to do with the driving line (tight against the wall), use of steering assistance so I could stick on the wall, my pots, steering linearty, and grounding my wheel. I did everything he suggested (except grounding the wheel) and wah la, 183.7's & 8's. At that point I went from about 120 to the top 25 and stood on my 1st round qual speed. Afterward I grounded the wheel and went to the high 183.9's. The ironic part is I never changed my setup, never !!!! . I think a lot of people get hung up on the way they feel things should be. Believe me, this sim is no different than the real deal, the top competitors take every advantage available to them, and then some. If you don't believe that ask yourself, why was the 20 car impounded this weekend or why are the electronics are in plain view, ah, were teams using traction control ?. You tell me. Like Todd Parrott said a few years back after dominating Daytona, quit crying and get the tool box out. A lot of people on this newsgroup would do well to take the same advice. J

WellSaidEd! I, for one, cannot understand why anyone want to miss out on the thrill of being able to lap Bristol quickly and consistently in a no-aids mode. To feel the tires heat up, the car "go groovy" and then the frustration when it later on starts to push. The challenge of planning the race, strategy, to get back at those guys who blew by you in the first laps...ahhh. /Matt "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:1049129529.100251@gurney... > Ireally dont care much if it will make you faster or not... in some cases > faster isnt even and issue.. Some times *safer* is the big issue... > > Case is point: > > Try the default 'fast' setup at Bristol or Texas; turn off all 'aids'give > it a real go on cold tires with and full tanks... but watch out in turn3! > Do a few laps and see how "scary" that car is on cold tires. > > Go back to the pits, turn on "stability help" and then reset the car soyou > have new cold tires and a full tank... and then give it a real good go > again. > > Now if that dont display the problems with this - I dont know what will... > > All i'm interrested in is a fair fight... if I'm "not allowed" to use itI > should be confident that others cant use it either. An option that allowthe > host to approve or ban these aids - will solve the problem in 1, 2, 3! > If I'm running a league - should I not be entitled to set all the rulesfor > *my* league? > > Make it an option and everyone will be happy - that way those who needthese > aids can use them in *their* races... and those of us who dont want tosee

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> them being used in *our* races, can sleep better knowing no "cheating" is > taking place. > > The same goes for that so-called wall-riding "fix". If some people have > issues/problems with wall-riding in their races -they could turn the > anti-wall riding thing on and be happy with that.. Then those of us who > really think the fix causes more harm than good can turn it off and enjoy > safer races without worrying about cars being 50 mph off pace. > > It cannot be that hard to include - can it Papy? > > -- > ed_ > > > >