vista and gpl

I know vista just came out but was wondering if anyone has got it and tried to run GPL under the new operating system. If so sure would like to know if it works:) Thanks for any info MILO

"Milo Johnson" wrote... >I know vista just came out but was wondering if anyone > has got it and tried to run GPL under the new operating > system. If so sure would like to know if it works:) > Thanks for any info Name one reason why anyone who's serious about racing sims in general would want to upgrade? Jan. =---

That's almost funny... look back a MS OS or two, then add in Flight sims and shooters.. GP

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>On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:42:11 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Name one reason why anyone who's serious about racing sims in general would >want to upgrade? > >Jan. >=--- >

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> > Name one reason why anyone who's serious about racing sims in general > would want to upgrade? > > Jan. > =--- >

I remember the same daft comments when XP first came out (in this very NG as it happens), it didn't take long... Regards Martin

On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 22:55:27 -0000, MC wrote: > I remember the same daft comments when XP first came out (in this very NG as > it happens), it didn't take long... > Regards > Martin > Daft or not, Jan has a point. I hung on to 98SE until the unbelievably buggy GTR1 sort of "forced" me to switch to XP. Then the fun started: Lack of gameport support in XP, left with a dead TSW wheel, ... Anyway, I think XP still has at least 3-5 years left as a viable gaming platform. An "upgrade" to Vista would be more of a downgrade for gamers, at least at the moment. cheers, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> That's almost funny... look back a MS OS or two, then add in Flight > sims and shooters.. > > GP > >>On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:42:11 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" >><[email hidden]> wrote: >>Name one reason why anyone who's serious about racing sims in general >>would >>want to upgrade? >> >>Jan. >>=--- >>

Currently, right now, I see no reason to go to Vista. That may change as new games are released. Your comment about "looking back" makes little sense. The jump from Windows 95 or 98 to XP is a whole lot different than jumping from XP to Vista. Even besides this, I don't understand your point. If the current games-- GPL, for instance-- work on XP, what's the advantage of going to Vista, besides the rather exorbitant $200 price tag for the complete version? To go to Vista just to go to Vista and be cool is no reason. Unless there is a decent increase in performance when running Vista and a game (or racing sim)-- if that's all you do is play games or other small stuff-- then is there a reason to make the switch? Alanb

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> > >> >> Name one reason why anyone who's serious about racing sims in general >> would want to upgrade? >> >> Jan. >> =--- >> > I remember the same daft comments when XP first came out (in this very NG > as it happens), it didn't take long... > Regards > Martin >

What you fail to consider is that there has to be an advantage to switching, justifying the cost, generally speaking. The jump from Windows 98 (skipping that awful thing in between) to XP was enormous; the jump from XP to Vista appears to be much smaller. So actually the comment is not "daft", as you call it. Your failure to see the difference of the jump between Windows 98 to XP and that between XP and Vista is what I might consider a "daft" assessment. Alanb

Read this in fun... As usuall, you probably dont see anyting you have already reached a conclusion of, it is not for you. But, unlike you, I feel that I can game, just because I can justify the PC I have, for doing what I do otherwise, or else I would probably still have my p31000 machine. So just like when XP came out, I needed to be an early adopter, but I was not (money is and was tight budgets) which was only partially untrue, I finally made myself believe, because XP was almost customisable to look and feel like 98, which would been good enough for me to be able to support the run of the mill questions I get from users I support both in the office and around town. But Vista, if it is ANYTHING like the RC1, it is half way going to be a support night mare, with windows popping up every single time you rn programs, any times that you run a program, and if that program accesses the internet or what have you the PC locks itself down, with a warning dialog box wanting you to answer a question... right now I have men and women whom apparently cannot make a decision about a popup saying "microsof has some updates, would you like to see and or install them?" they call me up and I have to deduce if they need to say yes or no... I, think I will get a 900 number, that gets credit card before it allows the call through, this is going to be a nightmare. ANYWAY, So like Milo Has, does anyone that has it, tried it? ANYONE? I have a machine I did try to run RC1, but the POS machine would NOT run Nascar Racing 2003, but it would run GTL rFactor etc. so I never tried GPL. I believe it has/had to do with the chipset on the motherboard, that I had been given this motherboard for 5 bucks (for a newer-ish motherboard) it was not unlikely that it was a POS. but I was able to prove that my working copy of XP, upgraded to rc1 would retain my Sidewinder wheel install. Soon, this I will get to try a keyless install of a retail CD (which should allow me 30 days to evaluate it) to see if the wheel stays installed and working or not. As I said tonight I will find out more, as Alan Bernardo enlightened us with:

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> "GaryP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> That's almost funny... look back a MS OS or two, then add in Flight >> sims and shooters.. >> >> GP >> >>> On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:42:11 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" >>> <[email hidden]> wrote: >>> Name one reason why anyone who's serious about racing sims in >>> general would >>> want to upgrade? >>> >>> Jan. >>> =--- >>> > > Currently, right now, I see no reason to go to Vista. That may > change as new games are released. Your comment about "looking back" > makes little sense. The jump from Windows 95 or 98 to XP is a whole > lot different than jumping from XP to Vista. Even besides this, I > don't understand your point. If the current games-- GPL, for > instance-- work on XP, what's the advantage of going to Vista, > besides the rather exorbitant $200 price tag for the complete version? > > To go to Vista just to go to Vista and be cool is no reason. Unless > there is a decent increase in performance when running Vista and a > game (or racing sim)-- if that's all you do is play games or other > small stuff-- then is there a reason to make the switch? > > Alanb

Alan, I know this has been said before, but there are some tell - tale signs, if you ask me, that this version of Windows could be even pickier than the crap we all went through upgrading from 98 to XP. Porbably good that were all gamers here and probably bought less "cheapo" parts than your neighbor... But being in IT, and support it looks worse, if you ask me, than the XP ordeal... Here is the 1st of the things I have come across: Problems with seemingly OK XP machines and memory issues with Vista. Ill hopefully find link(s) to the articles and the memory problems with cheapo (dell bestbuy etc memory) http://searchwincomputing.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid68_gci1241306,00.html http://blogs.zdnet.com:80/Ou/?p=399 I fought this with bosses looking directly at me, when I said "I've tried but xp will not run on this POS" so what do you wanna do next? the answer for half a month was, "well that machine was running perfectly, are you sure?" Finaly got a person she had no choice to respect to say what I had been saying, and the problem was over... that was one in 20, it could be closer to one in 5 this time, I dunno job security I guess? Alan Bernardo enlightened us with:

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> "MC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> >> >>> >>> Name one reason why anyone who's serious about racing sims in >>> general would want to upgrade? >>> >>> Jan. >>> =--- >>> >> I remember the same daft comments when XP first came out (in this >> very NG as it happens), it didn't take long... >> Regards >> Martin >> > > What you fail to consider is that there has to be an advantage to > switching, justifying the cost, generally speaking. The jump from > Windows 98 (skipping that awful thing in between) to XP was enormous; > the jump from XP to Vista appears to be much smaller. So actually > the comment is not "daft", as you call it. Your failure to see the > difference of the jump between Windows 98 to XP and that between XP > and Vista is what I might consider a "daft" assessment. > > Alanb

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> Alan, I know this has been said before, but there are some tell - tale > signs, if you ask me, that this version of Windows could be even pickier > than the crap we all went through upgrading from 98 to XP. Porbably good > that were all gamers here and probably bought less "cheapo" parts than > your neighbor... But being in IT, and support it looks worse, if you ask > me, than the XP ordeal... >

I don't use my computer for work nor any high finance stuff. I mess with games, do a little spreadsheet stuff, surf, and goof with mail and newsgroups. For me, when I went from Win98 to XP the transition was as painless as I ever thought it would be. And for me, the differences and advantages between Win98 and XP were enormous. I realize that my experience might be very different from others', especially those in the computer industry. XP has been so stable for my needs, that going from XP to Vista would be like tearing up a lottery ticket when I knew I absolutely knew I had hit the jackpot. This may all change, once the verdict is in a year from now. But currently, I see no advantage to me for switching to Vista. Alanb

ya, you and I are agreeing for your position, and most of mine personally, I however am the goat (goto guy) in personal life and in daily work of what about this and ect, so I will attemtp to adapt early because I need to, but again I dont want to jeapordize my gaming at home either, lol. trying to get me a MSDN OS sub at work, I think the company can get it for me, or give me a raise, imho, lol. Alan Bernardo enlightened us with:

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> "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:4LIwh.59689$[email hidden]... >> Alan, I know this has been said before, but there are some tell - >> tale signs, if you ask me, that this version of Windows could be >> even pickier than the crap we all went through upgrading from 98 to >> XP. Porbably good that were all gamers here and probably bought >> less "cheapo" parts than your neighbor... But being in IT, and >> support it looks worse, if you ask me, than the XP ordeal... >> > > I don't use my computer for work nor any high finance stuff. I mess > with games, do a little spreadsheet stuff, surf, and goof with mail > and newsgroups. For me, when I went from Win98 to XP the transition > was as painless as I ever thought it would be. And for me, the > differences and advantages between Win98 and XP were enormous. > > I realize that my experience might be very different from others', > especially those in the computer industry. XP has been so stable for > my needs, that going from XP to Vista would be like tearing up a > lottery ticket when I knew I absolutely knew I had hit the jackpot. > > This may all change, once the verdict is in a year from now. But > currently, I see no advantage to me for switching to Vista. > > Alanb

I installed Vista on both my computer and my wife's computer on Tuesday. There were the usual problems with minor glitches, but overall, I'm very satisfied with it. My wife uses her computer just for work and Vista meshes better with Office 2007 than XP did. I use mine for both work and play and I notice that it's faster with productivity programs and I notice no loss of performance at all with rFactor, which is the only game I play. It read and calibrated my TSW perfectly on the first try and no hiccups at all thusfar.

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> > What you fail to consider is that there has to be an advantage to > switching, justifying the cost, generally speaking. The jump from Windows > 98 (skipping that awful thing in between) to XP was enormous; the jump > from XP to Vista appears to be much smaller. So actually the comment is > not "daft", as you call it. Your failure to see the difference of the > jump between Windows 98 to XP and that between XP and Vista is what I > might consider a "daft" assessment. > > Alanb

Yep, much the same comments as 98 > XP, I'm going Vista tomorrow and I'd put a big lump of money on it that most people on here will be there within 3 - 4 months as hardware and driver support develops and of course grinds to a halt for XP...that's the world we live in. I'll be happy to report back on performance with GPL (if it works - but if it doesn't I won't take long before a fix is developed)

Vista update#3... GPL was the only game that I have installed since switch/upgrading XP on this old machine, to VISTA... As I am sure, I checked in the sidewinder profiler to make sure it all worked in Vista - RC1, I had not actually looked yet. I I just raced nascar and GTlegends and everythings was like I thought it should be... in otherwords, I just tried the games and everything was still working. I had high hopes... I was ready and happy. well that computer I posted about that would NOT run nascar racing even when I had just XP on here, with vista on here it does work, and like I tell you SIDEWINDER USERS below... I thought I had lucked out having it work in Vista as long as it was installed before uupgrading to Vista, least it had with RC1, or maybe ??? Well I installed GPL 2004 demo, for me and Milo's sake (before I quit this TEST and returned my kids PC back to him) and GPL of course... had no idea about my wheel, so I had a minute and since couldn't calibrate in game like I thought I should have. I exited GPLdemo, and opened the Sidewinder software, SO FYI, well it aint like it used to be, all I can do in there is calibrate, and I dont see ANYTHING of the Sidwinder app you used to see to calibrate, test and save profiles, nor the FF & combo or seperate pedals like those of us are used to that have Sidewinder USB wheels. all i really have is generic joystic settings, Luckily since I had already seperated the pedals back in XP and set the FF settings to my liking, they are seperated and worked after having Vista calibrate like you would a generic joystic, with 3 axes. I hope to do more investigating, and I am going to post this to RAS, so but with XP machine (plowboy I think I have). So, no I dont know where I stand now. might see later if DXtweak lets me do anything, like combine and or seperate pedals and stuff, otherwise I am done with Vista for now I guess. I cannot afford 200 for the fuggin OS and 300 (ok 250 plus ship for the g2) gosh dangit! I hate this. I guess putting in a swap drive cradle, and swapping xp & vista is my only choices now. later all. Milo Johnson wrote: > I know vista just came out but was wondering if anyone has got it and > tried to run GPL under the new operating system. > If so sure would like to know if it works:) > Thanks for any info > MILO

Alan - "95-98-XP is a whole lot different than jumping from XP to Vista". Right... like I said, been here before. I don't plan on upgrading right away, but I WILL upgrade (and the 64 bit OS IS an upgrade) at some point, as will most here by the end of next year. GP

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>On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:48:25 -0500, "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >"GaryP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> That's almost funny... look back a MS OS or two, then add in Flight >> sims and shooters.. >> >> GP >> >>>On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:42:11 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" >>><[email hidden]> wrote: >>>Name one reason why anyone who's serious about racing sims in general >>>would >>>want to upgrade? >>> >>>Jan. >>>=--- >>> > >Currently, right now, I see no reason to go to Vista. That may change as >new games are released. Your comment about "looking back" makes little >sense. The jump from Windows 95 or 98 to XP is a whole lot different than >jumping from XP to Vista. Even besides this, I don't understand your point. >If the current games-- GPL, for instance-- work on XP, what's the advantage >of going to Vista, besides the rather exorbitant $200 price tag for the >complete version? > >To go to Vista just to go to Vista and be cool is no reason. Unless there >is a decent increase in performance when running Vista and a game (or racing >sim)-- if that's all you do is play games or other small stuff-- then is >there a reason to make the switch? > >Alanb >

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>> What you fail to consider is that there has to be an advantage to >> switching, justifying the cost, generally speaking. The jump from >> Windows 98 (skipping that awful thing in between) to XP was enormous; the >> jump from XP to Vista appears to be much smaller. So actually the >> comment is not "daft", as you call it. Your failure to see the >> difference of the jump between Windows 98 to XP and that between XP and >> Vista is what I might consider a "daft" assessment. Alanb > > Yep, much the same comments as 98 > XP, I'm going Vista tomorrow and I'd > put a big lump of money on it that most people on here will be there > within 3 - 4 months as hardware and driver support develops and of course > grinds to a halt for XP...that's the world we live in. I'll be happy to > report back on performance with GPL (if it works - but if it doesn't I > won't take long before a fix is developed)

Since a lot of people with less experience is reading this, lets give them some sensible advice. And this would be something like this: Whether it works good or bad with this or that game (simulation), wait for some six months till bugs are fixed, and drivers updated. To this I could add: ...then you buy a new machine (with Vista on it), so that your new beutiful game (which will be issued just at that moment, traditionaly by Kaemmer) works with 36fps with all the flashy stuff on. -- Mario

Plowboy has brought this to us :

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> Vista update#3... > GPL was the only game that I have installed since switch/upgrading XP on > this old machine, to VISTA... As I am sure, I checked in the sidewinder > profiler to make sure it all worked in Vista - RC1, I had not actually looked > yet. I I just raced nascar and GTlegends and everythings was like I thought > it should be... in otherwords, I just tried the games and everything was > still working. I had high hopes... I was ready and happy. well that > computer I posted about that would NOT run nascar racing even when I had just > XP on here, with vista on here it does work, and like I tell you SIDEWINDER > USERS below... I thought I had lucked out having it work in Vista as long as > it was installed before uupgrading to Vista, least it had with RC1, or maybe > ??? > Well I installed GPL 2004 demo, for me and Milo's sake (before I quit this > TEST and returned my kids PC back to him) and GPL of course... had no idea > about my wheel, so I had a minute and since couldn't calibrate in game like I > thought I should have. I exited GPLdemo, and opened the Sidewinder > software, SO FYI, well it aint like it used to be, all I can do in there is > calibrate, and I dont see ANYTHING of the Sidwinder app you used to see to > calibrate, test and save profiles, nor the FF & combo or seperate pedals like > those of us are used to that have Sidewinder USB wheels. all i really have > is generic joystic settings, Luckily since I had already seperated the pedals > back in XP and set the FF settings to my liking, they are seperated and > worked after having Vista calibrate like you would a generic joystic, with 3 > axes. I hope to do more investigating, and I am going to post this to RAS, > so but with XP machine (plowboy I think I have). > So, no I dont know where I stand now. might see later if DXtweak lets me do > anything, like combine and or seperate pedals and stuff, otherwise I am done > with Vista for now I guess. I cannot afford 200 for the fuggin OS and 300 > (ok 250 plus ship for the g2) gosh dangit! I hate this. I guess putting in > a swap drive cradle, and swapping xp & vista is my only choices now. > later all. > Milo Johnson wrote: >> I know vista just came out but was wondering if anyone has got it and >> tried to run GPL under the new operating system. >> If so sure would like to know if it works:) >> Thanks for any info >> MILO

Ummm. So does the game work or not? I can see your wheel doesn't seem to work like you want but the main question was does the game actually run fine.

Ooops my bad, I omitted that (taking myself off topic I guess) yeah the GPL2004 demo ran fine! Vintook wrote: > Plowboy has brought this to us : >> Vista update#3... > >> GPL was the only game that I have installed since switch/upgrading >> XP on this old machine, to VISTA... As I am sure, I checked in the >> sidewinder profiler to make sure it all worked in Vista - RC1, I hadSNIP

Plowboy, Thank you very much for the info. Of (how many post that were about everything but the question I asked) you answered my question. Thank you very much MILO Sorry for the top post but thought it was the place for it:) "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HK3xh.24584$[email hidden]...

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> Ooops my bad, I omitted that (taking myself off topic I guess) > > yeah the GPL2004 demo ran fine! > > Vintook wrote: >> Plowboy has brought this to us : >>> Vista update#3... >> >>> GPL was the only game that I have installed since switch/upgrading >>> XP on this old machine, to VISTA... As I am sure, I checked in the >>> sidewinder profiler to make sure it all worked in Vista - RC1, I had > SNIP >

Mario, I plan to start a thread like you said... For most of us, waiting 3 months minimum will be a very smart thing. With Aero and Glass (the nifty eyecandy part of vista desktop and stuff) the performance will not be as snappy as XP, with most machines on equal. Plus I am finding some obscure device troubles with Vista, and by device troubles I mean if the device (like camera) had its own way of doing things, and you liked it that way, Vista doesn't. AFAIK we were not going to be able to install GTlegends on Vista, you had to have already installed it I believe for it to work (which I had)... This i will check before I quit messing with Vista this week. As you read above, I wont do vista now, because I'll have to buy a wheel, and I would only settle for a g2, even though I would rather get an ecci, lol. I will know more later this week as I try a clean install of vista on my boy's machine hopefully tuesday or so, I have league races tonight (nascar) and thurs (ORR). I got screwed out of my weekend of plans to muk with vista, other things went on... I only have 4 games that I mess with: rFactor (mainly for the ORR trucks) Nascar 2003 GTlegends <unsure since I did upgrade of system that had this already on it> However I have read in several places that Vista will NOT allow starforce to be installed, maybe this was an older iteration that the reviewers were talking about, than starforce on GTL?> GPL I had, was pretty updated when I kinda quit playing it.. I would love to have GTR2 but I dont, Im holding out for GTL2 :-) Oh I guess I still have my paid for ability to install LFS, but havent installed it since day 1, of the first release when we had to pay, so I dont even know if it would be worth installing without forking out more money? A big issue rearing its head I been reading is Budget based computers with budget memory that runs fine in XP, wont run without BSD's on Vista. So some will have 2gigs of memory that will not work in Vista, you can find out before hand with this util... http://oca.microsoft.com/en/windiag.asp this is a dos like util to check your memory and you need a floppy or bootable CD or Flash memory stick works good too it will not run in windows.. PS you can fresh install Vista, you just instal it 2 times, once without a key, and then again giving it your CD key... BUT FYI, now my XP to Vista upgrade took 2-3 hours (under 1 gig of memory might account for that?) so this should and would double it as far as I know and read. Mario Petrinovich enlightened us with:

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> MC: >>> What you fail to consider is that there has to be an advantage to >>> switching, justifying the cost, generally speaking. The jump from >>> Windows 98 (skipping that awful thing in between) to XP was >>> enormous; the jump from XP to Vista appears to be much smaller. So >>> actually the comment is not "daft", as you call it. Your failure >>> to see the difference of the jump between Windows 98 to XP and that >>> between XP and Vista is what I might consider a "daft" assessment. Alanb >> >> Yep, much the same comments as 98 > XP, I'm going Vista tomorrow and >> I'd put a big lump of money on it that most people on here will be >> there within 3 - 4 months as hardware and driver support develops >> and of course grinds to a halt for XP...that's the world we live in. >> I'll be happy to report back on performance with GPL (if it works - >> but if it doesn't I won't take long before a fix is developed) > > Since a lot of people with less experience is reading this, > lets give them some sensible advice. > And this would be something like this: Whether it works good > or bad with this or that game (simulation), wait for some six months > till bugs are fixed, and drivers updated. > To this I could add: ...then you buy a new machine (with Vista > on it), so that your new beutiful game (which will be issued just at > that moment, traditionaly by Kaemmer) works with 36fps with all the > flashy stuff on. -- Mario

Plowboy:

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> For most of us, waiting 3 months minimum will be a very smart thing. With > Aero and Glass (the nifty eyecandy part of vista desktop and stuff) the > performance will not be as snappy as XP, with most machines on equal. > Plus I am finding some obscure device troubles with Vista, and by device > troubles I mean if the device (like camera) had its own way of doing > things, and you liked it that way, Vista doesn't. AFAIK we were not going > to be able to install GTlegends on Vista, you had to have already > installed it I believe for it to work (which I had)... This i will check > before I quit messing with Vista this week. As you read above, I wont do > vista now, because I'll have to buy a wheel, and I would only settle for a > g2, even though I would rather get an ecci, lol. > > I will know more later this week as I try a clean install of vista on my > boy's machine hopefully tuesday or so, I have league races tonight > (nascar) and thurs (ORR). I got screwed out of my weekend of plans to muk > with vista, other things went on... > > I only have 4 games that I mess with: > rFactor (mainly for the ORR trucks) > Nascar 2003 > GTlegends <unsure since I did upgrade of system that had this already on > it> > However I have read in several places that Vista will NOT allow starforce > to be installed, maybe this was an older iteration that the reviewers were > talking about, than starforce on GTL?> > GPL I had, was pretty updated when I kinda quit playing it.. > I would love to have GTR2 but I dont, Im holding out for GTL2 :-) > Oh I guess I still have my paid for ability to install LFS, but havent > installed it since day 1, of the first release when we had to pay, so I > dont even know if it would be worth installing without forking out more > money? > > A big issue rearing its head I been reading is Budget based computers with > budget memory that runs fine in XP, wont run without BSD's on Vista. So > some will have 2gigs of memory that will not work in Vista, you can find > out before hand with this util... http://oca.microsoft.com/en/windiag.asp > this is a dos like util to check your memory and you need a floppy or > bootable CD or Flash memory stick works good too it will not run in > windows.. > > PS you can fresh install Vista, you just instal it 2 times, once without a > key, and then again giving it your CD key... BUT FYI, now my XP to Vista > upgrade took 2-3 hours (under 1 gig of memory might account for that?) so > this should and would double it as far as I know and read.

Thanks for all the interesting info. Vista is hot stuff, and people are interested. -- Mario

Plowboy: Thanks for all the interesting info. Vista is hot stuff, and people are interested. -- Mario