And So It Begins...

My adventures in watercooling... http://www.paddedwall.org/watercool

My adventures in watercooling... http://www.paddedwall.org/watercool

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > My adventures in watercooling... > > http://www.paddedwall.org/watercool Best of luck - I'm thining of dabling in that field myself soon Regards Doug

What are your current system specs, and why is it running so hot that it needs all that money's worth of water cooling stuff? From what I've seen most people use watercooling purely as eye candy. I mean, it's cheaper to buy a better processor than to overclock most of them and try to keep it cool with all that jazz. I mean, it's your pc, and I admit it looks cool. I just like seeing people use their money for good things. although, who am I to say what is good and what isn't.. peace! Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > My adventures in watercooling... > > http://www.paddedwall.org/watercool

I too am thinking of this route, let me know and keep us aware of how it goes Gary John Simmons wrote: > > My adventures in watercooling... > > http://www.paddedwall.org/watercool

True, but it can really be fun to mix water with electrical components !! Todd "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:j8Ioa.2827$[email hidden]... > What are your current system specs, and why is it running so hot that it > needs all that money's worth of water cooling stuff? > > From what I've seen most people use watercooling purely as eye candy. I > mean, it's cheaper to buy a better processor than to overclock most ofthem

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> and try to keep it cool with all that jazz. I mean, it's your pc, and I > admit it looks cool. I just like seeing people use their money for good > things. although, who am I to say what is good and what isn't.. > > peace! > > Mike > http://mikebeauchamp.com > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > My adventures in watercooling... > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/watercool > >

I've toyed with the idea as a way to get rid the infuriating fan noise my PC spews forth....(I just haven't quite been sufficienty infuriated to spend that much money yet).

I finished the prep for my own watercooling project and system upgrade, just waiting on the cpu to arrive tomorrow. My specs are: Abit NF7-S v2.0 with vdd and vdimm mods 1700+ JUIHB Geil PC3500 2x256 Maze3 waterblock, aquarium pump and radiator I'm hoping for great results ! rms

BTW, you mention your pump spec as having a high GPH. One site I've seen recommends the pressure rating as having more importance than the GPH. rms

If the noise really bugged me, I'd put the PC in another room. My house has an unfinished basement, and I was toying with the idea of building a little area mounted on the ceiling of the basement that could hold my PC's with the wires coming straight up into my room. :) Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "SS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I've toyed with the idea as a way to get rid the infuriating fan noise myPC > spews forth....(I just haven't quite been sufficienty infuriated to spend > that much money yet). > > >

"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:j8Ioa.2827$[email hidden]... > What are your current system specs, and why is it running so hot that it > needs all that money's worth of water cooling stuff? > > From what I've seen most people use watercooling purely as eye candy. I > mean, it's cheaper to buy a better processor than to overclock most ofthem > and try to keep it cool with all that jazz. I mean, it's your pc, and I > admit it looks cool. I just like seeing people use their money for good > things. although, who am I to say what is good and what isn't.. > What is truly amazing is how he got all that kit into his trailer ? ;) I know, I know.

"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:j8Ioa.2827$[email hidden]... > What are your current system specs, and why is it running so hot that it > needs all that money's worth of water cooling stuff? Most people do it to make their Machine quieter Doug

Well, you _could_ change your domain name to www.paddlewheel.org :) Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > My adventures in watercooling... > > http://www.paddedwall.org/watercool

I agree. The whole overclocking/watercooling thing never made much sense to me. I guess it's a hobby thing. I used to go through $2000 a year in Model Helicopter parts, so I guess it ain't so bad :) Larry "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:j8Ioa.2827$[email hidden]... > What are your current system specs, and why is it running so hot that it > needs all that money's worth of water cooling stuff? > > From what I've seen most people use watercooling purely as eye candy. I > mean, it's cheaper to buy a better processor than to overclock most ofthem

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> and try to keep it cool with all that jazz. I mean, it's your pc, and I > admit it looks cool. I just like seeing people use their money for good > things. although, who am I to say what is good and what isn't.. > > peace! > > Mike > http://mikebeauchamp.com > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > My adventures in watercooling... > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/watercool > >

Yeah, but that CD-ROM chute is gonna be a bitch! Larry "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tcKoa.8443$h%[email hidden]... > If the noise really bugged me, I'd put the PC in another room. My househas > an unfinished basement, and I was toying with the idea of building alittle > area mounted on the ceiling of the basement that could hold my PC's withthe > wires coming straight up into my room. :) > > Mike > http://mikebeauchamp.com >

Heh, tell me about it. I got so sick of listening to mine I put it inside an insulated and ventilated enclosure in the crawlspace/attic. I draw conditioned air into the enclosure through flex duct to keep it from overheating. I removed the DVD-ROM drive from the case and put it on the end of a 36" ribbon cable and then cut a hole in the wall and poked the sucker through. I built a nice-looking faceplate to frame the drive, the rack for my soundcard, and the power/reset buttons. It took some time, but the system is basically inaudible now. Gerald "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<i_Voa.142964$[email hidden]>...

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> Yeah, but that CD-ROM chute is gonna be a bitch! > > Larry > > "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:tcKoa.8443$h%[email hidden]... > > If the noise really bugged me, I'd put the PC in another room. My house > has > > an unfinished basement, and I was toying with the idea of building a > little > > area mounted on the ceiling of the basement that could hold my PC's with > the > > wires coming straight up into my room. :) > > > > Mike > > http://mikebeauchamp.com > >

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> > "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:j8Ioa.2827$[email hidden]... > > What are your current system specs, and why is it running so hot that it > > needs all that money's worth of water cooling stuff? > > Most people do it to make their Machine quieter > > Doug

Precisely (and that is the primary reason I stated on the web page). It's possible to be completely fanless, and that would be a good thing, but I don't know if I have the ability to water cool a power supply. The primary noise sources are the CPU fan and the GPU fan, and I really would like to put the sides back on the case, but I can't because of the heat. Soooooo, I figured I'd give water cooling a try.

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <RaQoa.11409$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > > "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:j8Ioa.2827$[email hidden]... > > > What are your current system specs, and why is it running so hot thatit

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> > > needs all that money's worth of water cooling stuff? > > > > Most people do it to make their Machine quieter > > > > Doug > > > Precisely (and that is the primary reason I stated on the web page). > It's possible to be completely fanless, and that would be a good > thing, but I don't know if I have the ability to water cool a power > supply. The primary noise sources are the CPU fan and the GPU fan, > and I really would like to put the sides back on the case, but I > can't because of the heat. > > Soooooo, I figured I'd give water cooling a try.

With a cpu, gpu and northbridge water blocks - and a silent PSU - the only fan would be the one thru the radiator :O Doug

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> BTW, you mention your pump spec as having a high GPH. One site I've seen > recommends the pressure rating as having more importance than the GPH. > > rms > > >

Flow is king. The water carries the heat away. You want a system with as little resistance as possible. My pump may not even have enough GPH balls to do what I want to do.

Like anything with engines tho, if it flows too fast it doesnt have enough time to extract the heat off the cpu. Production racing they will often cut down water pumps on the car to slow the speed of the water because they were ment for slow driving with low revs around town.. Cool Hand Luke -=87=- "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <RaQoa.11409$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > > "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:j8Ioa.2827$[email hidden]... > > > What are your current system specs, and why is it running so hot thatit

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> > > needs all that money's worth of water cooling stuff? > > > > Most people do it to make their Machine quieter > > > > Doug > > > Precisely (and that is the primary reason I stated on the web page). > It's possible to be completely fanless, and that would be a good > thing, but I don't know if I have the ability to water cool a power > supply. The primary noise sources are the CPU fan and the GPU fan, > and I really would like to put the sides back on the case, but I > can't because of the heat. > > Soooooo, I figured I'd give water cooling a try. > >

But, to a man, all of the recognized 'experts in PC watercooling say that a higher flow rate is more important that high pressure. The problem lies in the decrease in flow as the water travels through inefficient routing of tubing forced by the size and available room in your typicasl PC case. Every time your water path makes a turn or goes uphill at any point in the system, it decreases flow. The longer your water path, the less flow you have. I've seen as much as 15 feet of tubing using a a computer. That's an amazing amount of tubing considering the small spaces we're talking about. However, it was probably the only way it could have been done in that particular situation. Further, the waterblocks and radiators are extremely small (compared to an automotive system), so the water spends very little time in there anyway. Also, in an automotive system, the components actually NEED to warm up to operate effeciently, so slowing the ware down or reducing the size of a radiator is done to effect that requirement. In a computer system heat *of any kind* decreases efficiency, and needs to be evacuated at the best possible speed. In article <_bspa.7809$[email hidden]>, lukep87 @hotmail.com says...

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> Like anything with engines tho, if it flows too fast it doesnt have enough > time to extract the heat off the cpu. Production racing they will often cut > down water pumps on the car to slow the speed of the water because they were > ment for slow driving with low revs around town.. > > Cool Hand Luke > -=87=- > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <RaQoa.11409$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > > > > "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:j8Ioa.2827$[email hidden]... > > > > What are your current system specs, and why is it running so hot that > it > > > > needs all that money's worth of water cooling stuff? > > > > > > Most people do it to make their Machine quieter > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > Precisely (and that is the primary reason I stated on the web page). > > It's possible to be completely fanless, and that would be a good > > thing, but I don't know if I have the ability to water cool a power > > supply. The primary noise sources are the CPU fan and the GPU fan, > > and I really would like to put the sides back on the case, but I > > can't because of the heat. > > > > Soooooo, I figured I'd give water cooling a try. > > > > > > >

Luke Phillips wrote: > > Like anything with engines tho, if it flows too fast it doesnt have enough > time to extract the heat off the cpu. Production racing they will often cut > down water pumps on the car to slow the speed of the water because they were > ment for slow driving with low revs around town.. While you may be right about this, on my particular engines, the old Opel CIH engines from pre 1985 (ish), the reason for slowing down the water pump is two fold 1. it was designed to run at lower revs and when revving the engines to 7k and beyond, the pump becomes inefficient and doesn't circulate the water properly, it starts to cavitate (?) and just whips the water to foam (not the most technical description perhaps :-) 2. With the addition of oil coolers etc, the standard radiator is more than capable of handling the extra heat build up from the tuned engine, and slowing down the water pump will give you extra power Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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>Luke Phillips wrote: > > >>Like anything with engines tho, if it flows too fast it doesnt have enough >>time to extract the heat off the cpu. Production racing they will often cut >>down water pumps on the car to slow the speed of the water because they were >>ment for slow driving with low revs around town.. >> >> > >While you may be right about this, on my particular engines, the old >Opel CIH engines from pre 1985 (ish), the reason for slowing down the >water pump is two fold >

The engine has to develop more power than drag produced by the water pump! :-P

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> >1. it was designed to run at lower revs and when revving the engines to >7k and beyond, the pump becomes inefficient and doesn't circulate the >water properly, it starts to cavitate (?) and just whips the water to >foam (not the most technical description perhaps :-) > >2. With the addition of oil coolers etc, the standard radiator is more >than capable of handling the extra heat build up from the tuned engine, >and slowing down the water pump will give you extra power > > >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy >"goyl at nettx dot no" > >http://www.theuspits.com > >"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" >--Groucho Marx-- > >

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> Like anything with engines tho, if it flows too fast it >doesnt haveenough time to extract the heat off the cpu This is false. In this heatpump situation, the only purpose of the water is to move heat from the cpu to the radiator, and slow-moving water has low turbulence and accepts less heat per time unit than fast-moving turbulent water. Issues with high-revving car water pumps have more to do with cavitation-caused inefficiencies, and are unrelated to the basic point that faster water is better than slow water. Of course a super water pump also adds heat itself to the water, but I'll ignore that effect. rms

>slowing down the water pump will give you extra power And here's another difference between car and computer waterpumps. The amount of power the computer waterpump consumes is independent of the power used by the cpu, we assume a limitless supply of electrical energy. rms