New GPLEA Lotus

Uh, great car, but why do I get a "tent-like" cover over the cockpit when replaying in rollbar view? SPS

In article <[email hidden]>, senya5 @attbi.com says... > Uh, great car, but why do I get a "tent-like" cover over the cockpit > when replaying in rollbar view? > SPS > Rollbar view???? Bite your tongue blasphemer! You are hereby ordered to pry the F10 key off your keyboard and incinerate it in your backyard grill, never to be seen again. ;-) -- __________________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com __________________________

On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:08:19 GMT, Todd Walker <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, senya5 >@attbi.com says... >> Uh, great car, but why do I get a "tent-like" cover over the cockpit >> when replaying in rollbar view? >> SPS >> > >Rollbar view???? Bite your tongue blasphemer! You are hereby ordered to >pry the F10 key off your keyboard and incinerate it in your backyard >grill, never to be seen again. ;-) >

Uh, I think he meant watching replay with rollbar view, f10 view isn't exactly a rollbar view and who the hell can even drive using f10 view :). I think that the tent-like cover is caused because the rollbar camera is too close to drivers helmet and shows part of the helmet actually.

"Pasi Rahikainen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:08:19 GMT, Todd Walker <[email hidden]>wrote:

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> >In article <[email hidden]>, senya5 > >@attbi.com says... > >> Uh, great car, but why do I get a "tent-like" cover over the cockpit > >> when replaying in rollbar view? > >> SPS > >> > > > >Rollbar view???? Bite your tongue blasphemer! You are hereby ordered to > >pry the F10 key off your keyboard and incinerate it in your backyard > >grill, never to be seen again. ;-) > > > > Uh, I think he meant watching replay with rollbar view, f10 view isn't

exactly > a rollbar view and who the hell can even drive using f10 view :). > > I think that the tent-like cover is caused because the rollbar camera istoo > close to drivers helmet and shows part of the helmet actually. The lotus.cam file has not been changed from the standard one, the 'tent' is as Pasi describes. You can get plenty of alternate lotus.cam files in the various updates sections at racesimcentral, Kev Clarke does some particularly good ones. You just put the file in your cars67\lotus folder. Malc.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Uh, I think he meant watching replay with rollbar view, f10 view isn't exactly > a rollbar view and who the hell can even drive using f10 view :). > Ah OK, sorry. I just assumed that he was committing the ultimate GPL sin. My apologies. -- __________________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com __________________________

Todd Walker

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>> Uh, I think he meant watching replay with rollbar view, f10 view >> isn't exactly a rollbar view and who the hell can even drive using >> f10 view :). >> > > Ah OK, sorry. I just assumed that he was committing the ultimate GPL > sin. My apologies. >

Here followeth a reading from the Holy Book. Chapter One Verse 17-19 Thou Shalt NOT drive whilst floating above thine car. Neither shouldst thou drive whilst hanging onto a rollbar. Driving whilst surfing on the nose of the car is right out! Doesn't say anything about replays. I'll let him slide, but with a warning. Don't delve too deeply into the dark arts. You may become corrupted. dave henrie

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Here followeth a reading from the Holy Book. > > Chapter One Verse 17-19 > > Thou Shalt NOT drive whilst floating above thine car. Neither shouldst > thou drive whilst hanging onto a rollbar. Driving whilst surfing on the > nose of the car is right out! >

Is that before or after the Book of Armaments? ;) Milhouse

Samuel Senior wrote: > Uh, great car, but why do I get a "tent-like" cover over the cockpit > when replaying in rollbar view? > SPS It's the edge of the helmet polygon. Any cam file from any other car (as long as its not the default view) will give you views from else where as long as you rename it lotus.cam or email me at [email hidden] and I'll send you a tweaked file which moves the rollbar cam about 10cm further forward and misses that polygon. Kev

On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:17:29 -0700, "Milhouse" <iowncalculus*removepants*@cox*toreply*.net> wrote:

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> >"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Here followeth a reading from the Holy Book. >> >> Chapter One Verse 17-19 >> >> Thou Shalt NOT drive whilst floating above thine car. Neither shouldst >> thou drive whilst hanging onto a rollbar. Driving whilst surfing on the >> nose of the car is right out!

You guys are too strict. I do drive in rear view most of the time. When I can get from plus 40 to plus 10 rank, I'll be glad to settle my rump in the seat. I've been flogging this sim almost every day for four years, and I just managed to finish my first Pro race, 8th to 3rd. Besides, if I raise my eyes 10 degrees to a picture on the wall, there's ME sitting in the seat of a REAL 1967 Repco-Brabham BT-24. Now THAT'S realism!

On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:00:38 +0000, Kevin Clark <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Samuel Senior wrote: >> Uh, great car, but why do I get a "tent-like" cover over the cockpit >> when replaying in rollbar view? >> SPS > >It's the edge of the helmet polygon. >Any cam file from any other car (as long as its not the default view) >will give you views from else where as long as you rename it lotus.cam >or email me at [email hidden] and I'll send you a tweaked file >which moves the rollbar cam about 10cm further forward and misses that >polygon. > >Kev

Kev, Would like the file, but your email didn't work. Message returned. SPS

In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> writes: >Chapter One Verse 17-19 > > Thou Shalt NOT drive whilst floating above thine car. Neither shouldst >thou drive whilst hanging onto a rollbar. Driving whilst surfing on the >nose of the car is right out! Thank you, Brother Maynard... :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> > Thank you, Brother Maynard... :-) > > Eldred ;> bm

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Henrie > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Chapter One Verse 17-19 > > > > Thou Shalt NOT drive whilst floating above thine car. Neithershouldst

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> >thou drive whilst hanging onto a rollbar. Driving whilst surfing on the > >nose of the car is right out! > > Thank you, Brother Maynard... :-) > > Eldred > --

1 . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . . . 4 . . . no 3 . . .er . . . um . . . BOOM!! Elrikk

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> > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Henrie >> <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >Chapter One Verse 17-19 >> > >> > Thou Shalt NOT drive whilst floating above thine car. Neither > shouldst >> >thou drive whilst hanging onto a rollbar. Driving whilst surfing on >> >the nose of the car is right out! >> >> Thank you, Brother Maynard... :-) >> >> Eldred >> -- > > 1 . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . . . 4 . . . no 3 . . > .er . . . um . . . BOOM!! > > Elrikk >

Goy! 'splain to Eldred how to properly count..... dh

In article <[email hidden]>, Samuel Senior <[email hidden]> writes:

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>You guys are too strict. I do drive in rear view most of the time. >When I can get from plus 40 to plus 10 rank, I'll be glad to settle my >rump in the seat. I've been flogging this sim almost every day for >four years, and I just managed to finish my first Pro race, 8th to >3rd. Besides, if I raise my eyes 10 degrees to a picture on the wall, >there's ME sitting in the seat of a REAL 1967 Repco-Brabham BT-24. >Now THAT'S realism!

Would that picture mean as much to you if you were standing behind the car looking over the rollbar? I thought not, that's the difference. I'd rather throw it in the trash than drive from anywhere except the cockpit. Don McCorkle

"Woodie 83" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > Samuel Senior <[email hidden]> writes: > > I'd rather > throw it in the trash than drive from anywhere except the cockpit. Going to extremes in either direction can be detrimental ;-) I tend to find it difficult to accurately work out where the other cars are when I'm in traffic, so I often switch out to the F10 view & back to check how close I am to a car beside me. It takes practice otherwise it can be disorienting, but it's a trade off either way. In the cockpit you get a better feel for the road ahead, particularly over crests, but your peripheral vision is very limited compared to real life (LFS is much better in this respect imo) so to compensate for the lack of peripheral vision, I use the F10 view briefly, usually mid-corner to see to either side. For short periods the sound of the car behind you is enough to help compensate for the lack of mirrors, but you can't stay in F10 view for very long in a race imo. I race in one league (the Brit League) that only allows the cockpit view, and I'm no slower or faster, but I tend to take less risks in traffic so in that respect sticking to only one view slows me down. Malc.

"Samuel Senior" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You guys are too strict. I do drive in rear view most of the time. > When I can get from plus 40 to plus 10 rank, I'll be glad to settle my > rump in the seat. You'll get there faster if you get in the seat. :) -- Jone Tytlandsvik http://tytlandsvik.no

Dave Henrie wrote: > > Goy! 'splain to Eldred how to properly count..... And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.' Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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>Dave Henrie wrote: >> >> Goy! 'splain to Eldred how to properly count..... > >And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. >Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shalt be the >number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. >Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that >thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, >being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand >Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, >shall snuff it.'

And all I did was MENTION Brother Maynard... Funny, but when I read this, I could hear the dialogue from the movie...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP wrote: > > And all I did was MENTION Brother Maynard... When you are among true aficionados, that's all it takes...:-) > Funny, but when I read this, I could hear the dialogue from the movie...<g> Then read on brother Eldred.....:-) ____________ | | | Scene 21 | |____________| [clop clop clop] [whinny whinny] GALAHAD: They're nervous, sire. ARTHUR: Then we'd best leave them here and carry on on foot. Dis-mount! TIM: Behold the cave of Caerbannog! ARTHUR: Right! Keep me covered. GALAHAD: What with? ARTHUR: W-- just keep me covered. TIM: Too late! [dramatic chord] ARTHUR: What? TIM: There he is! ARTHUR: Where? TIM: There! ARTHUR: What, behind the rabbit? TIM: It is the rabbit! ARTHUR: You silly sod! TIM: What? ARTHUR: You got us all worked up! TIM: Well, that's no ordinary rabbit. ARTHUR: Ohh. TIM: That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on. ROBIN: You tit! I soiled my armor I was so scared! TIM: Look, that rabbit's got a vicious streak a mile wide; it's a killer! GALAHAD: Get stuffed! TIM: He'll do you up a treat mate! GALAHAD: Oh, yeah? ROBIN: You mangy scots git! TIM: I'm warning you! ROBIN: What's he do, nibble your bum? TIM: He's got huge, sharp-- eh-- he can leap about-- look at the bones! ARTHUR: Go on, Bors. Chop his head off! BORS: Right! Silly little bleeder. One rabbit stew comin' right up! TIM: Look! [squeak] BORS: Aaaugh! [dramatic chord] [clunk] ARTHUR: Jesus Christ! TIM: I warned you! ROBIN: I done it again! TIM: I warned you, but did you listen to me? Oh, no, you knew it all, didn't you? Oh, it's just a harmless little bunny, isn't it? Well, it's always the same. I always tell them-- ARTHUR: Oh, shut up! TIM: Do they listen to me? ARTHUR: Right! TIM: Oh, no... KNIGHTS: Charge! [squeak squeak squeak] KNIGHTS: Aaaaugh!, Aaaugh!, etc. ARTHUR: Run away! Run away! KNIGHTS: Run away! Run away!... TIM: Ha ha ha ha! Ha haw haw! Ha! Ha ha! ARTHUR: Right. How many did we lose? LAUNCELOT: Gawain. GALAHAD: Ector. ARTHUR: And Bors. That's five. GALAHAD: Three, sir. ARTHUR: Three. Three. And we'd better not risk another frontal assault. That rabbit's dynamite. ROBIN: Would it help to confuse it if we run away more? ARTHUR: Oh, shut up and go and change your armor. GALAHAD: Let us taunt it! It may become so cross that it will make a mistake. ARTHUR: Like what? GALAHAD: Well... ooh. LAUNCELOT: Have we got bows? ARTHUR: No. LAUNCELOT: We have the Holy Hand Grenade. ARTHUR: Yes, of course! The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch! 'Tis one of the sacred relics Brother Maynard carries with him! Brother Maynard! Bring up the Holy Hand Grenade! MONKS: [chanting] Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem. Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem. Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem. Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem. ARTHUR: How does it, um-- how does it work? LAUNCELOT: I know not, my liege. ARTHUR: Consult the Book of Armaments! BROTHER MAYNARD: Armaments, Chapter Two, verses Nine to Twenty-one. SECOND BROTHER: And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, 'O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade that with it thou mayest blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord did grin, and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats and large chu-- MAYNARD: Skip a bit, Brother. SECOND BROTHER: And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.' MAYNARD: Amen. KNIGHTS: Amen. ARTHUR: Right! One... two... five! GALAHAD: Three, sir! ARTHUR: Three! [angels sing] [boom] ____________ | | | Scene 22 | |____________| Etc..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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>> >> And all I did was MENTION Brother Maynard... > > When you are among true aficionados, that's all it takes...:-) > >> Funny, but when I read this, I could hear the dialogue from the >> movie...<g> > > Then read on brother Eldred.....:-)

Thankyou Goy...We here in the States always pronounced Atilla the Hun as: uhh-TILL-uh. I haven't been able to repeat that for 30 years..it's now Saint AT-ill-ah or as near as a Brit as I can make it... :0 dave henrie > > ____________ >| | >| Scene 21 | >|____________| >

Samuel Senior wrote:

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> On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:00:38 +0000, Kevin Clark > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>Samuel Senior wrote: >> >>>Uh, great car, but why do I get a "tent-like" cover over the cockpit >>>when replaying in rollbar view? >>>SPS >> >>It's the edge of the helmet polygon. >>Any cam file from any other car (as long as its not the default view) >>will give you views from else where as long as you rename it lotus.cam >>or email me at [email hidden] and I'll send you a tweaked file >>which moves the rollbar cam about 10cm further forward and misses that >>polygon. >> >>Kev > > Kev, > Would like the file, but your email didn't work. Message returned. > SPS

Strange Anyway, I've just copied your address from this post to my home mail and I'll send it tonight. Kev

Woodie 83 wrote: > Would that picture mean as much to you if you were standing behind the car > looking over the rollbar? I thought not, that's the difference. I'd rather > throw it in the trash than drive from anywhere except the cockpit. The difference is a lack of peripheral vision and seat of the pants feel. Some sims (like GPL) in-car works fine for me, but in others I use chase view to get a better "feel" for what the car is doing and maintaing situational awareness. -jde

On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:28:27 -0400, "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Woodie 83 wrote: >> Would that picture mean as much to you if you were standing behind the car >> looking over the rollbar? I thought not, that's the difference. I'd rather >> throw it in the trash than drive from anywhere except the cockpit. > >The difference is a lack of peripheral vision and seat of the pants >feel. Some sims (like GPL) in-car works fine for me, but in others I >use chase view to get a better "feel" for what the car is doing and >maintaing situational awareness.

Exactly. Besides, when I look at the picture, taken by the car's owner at the Historical Races in Portland, I'm looking at it from FRONT "chase view," and I still love it! Heh, heh! :-) Sam