How can Logitech do this?

The specifications for both the G15 Keyboard and G25 wheel state: "Windows� XP or Windows VistaT " NEITHER product works properly with Vista. The software for both of them does not install correctly or work correctly. And they are being wishy-washy about when support will be provided. How can they get away with this? Does the "Vista Compatible" certification mean nothing in reality? -Larry

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:56:55 -0500, Larry wrote:

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> The specifications for both the G15 Keyboard and G25 wheel state: > > "Windows� XP or Windows VistaT " > > NEITHER product works properly with Vista. The software for both of them > does not install correctly or work correctly. > > And they are being wishy-washy about when support will be provided. > > How can they get away with this? Does the "Vista Compatible" certification > mean nothing in reality? > > -Larry

Report them to Microsoft and the BBB.

> How can they get away with this? Does the "Vista Compatible" > certification mean nothing in reality? Correct.

> NEITHER product works properly with Vista. The software for both of them > does not install correctly or work correctly. I thought that for a while, the Profiler that comes with G25 does indeed work on Vista, but it wasn't publicly available as a download for any other Logi hardware owners. Has this changed after Vista has been officially released? -- Mika Takala

Larry, unbelieveable, summer 07 before drivers... Bullshit Larry wrote:

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> The specifications for both the G15 Keyboard and G25 wheel state: > > "Windows� XP or Windows VistaT " > > NEITHER product works properly with Vista. The software for both of > them does not install correctly or work correctly. > > And they are being wishy-washy about when support will be provided. > > How can they get away with this? Does the "Vista Compatible" > certification mean nothing in reality? > > -Larry

I have used both the CD provided and the download version from Logitech's site. The profiler does not work in Vista. The base driver MAY work, but not on two machines I tried it on. On both machines, after restarting the wheel was reported as a DFP and could not be adjusted properly. -Larry "Mika Takala" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1lmDh.542$[email hidden]...

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>> NEITHER product works properly with Vista. The software for both of them >> does not install correctly or work correctly. > > I thought that for a while, the Profiler that comes with G25 does indeed > work on Vista, but it wasn't publicly available as a download for any > other Logi hardware owners. Has this changed after Vista has been > officially released? > > -- > Mika Takala > >

Yep, that's what I've heard as well. I've already replaced the G15 keyboard. I'm going to sell it. Last Logi keyboard sale they get from me. The wheel, well, I just put it on a dedicated XP machine with NR2003. I can't afford to have $300 paper weights. It is simply unbelieveable to me that a product just released THREE months ago doesn't work with the latest OS. Did Logitech forget to pay their Developer dues and didn't have the info they needed for the last 3 flippin' years? Vista was not a suprise to anyone. Jeez! -Larry "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:j_LDh.303$[email hidden]...

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> Larry, > unbelieveable, summer 07 before drivers... Bullshit > > Larry wrote: >> The specifications for both the G15 Keyboard and G25 wheel state: >> >> "Windows� XP or Windows VistaT " >> >> NEITHER product works properly with Vista. The software for both of >> them does not install correctly or work correctly. >> >> And they are being wishy-washy about when support will be provided. >> >> How can they get away with this? Does the "Vista Compatible" >> certification mean nothing in reality? >> >> -Larry > >

What is worse Larry, is that I knew My sidewinder was NOT going to work 'for shit' with Vista... AND since it kinda has been left in the bad place since XP service pack2 (wasn't even technically for XP at all you know...) So I know (I bought it) Im going to Vista, because I have to, get used to it (already geting calls on "how do I...?") you know... So I buy the G25, thought you guys said it worked LOL... I didnt double check and I wouldnt have noitced that small bit on Logi website about game controllers, looking at 1st. Damn it, I could have saved 300, since g25 sounds like is as worthless in Vista as my MS wheel, which at least worked (could NOT change any settings though) when I upgraded XP to Vista on my test machine. I hate Dual booting but I am stuck there I guess. Larry enlightened us with:

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> Yep, that's what I've heard as well. > > I've already replaced the G15 keyboard. I'm going to sell it. Last > Logi keyboard sale they get from me. > > The wheel, well, I just put it on a dedicated XP machine with NR2003. > I can't afford to have $300 paper weights. > > It is simply unbelieveable to me that a product just released THREE > months ago doesn't work with the latest OS. > > Did Logitech forget to pay their Developer dues and didn't have the > info they needed for the last 3 flippin' years? > > Vista was not a suprise to anyone. Jeez! > > -Larry > > "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:j_LDh.303$[email hidden]... >> Larry, >> unbelieveable, summer 07 before drivers... Bullshit >> >> Larry wrote: >>> The specifications for both the G15 Keyboard and G25 wheel state: >>> >>> "Windows� XP or Windows VistaT " >>> >>> NEITHER product works properly with Vista. The software for both of >>> them does not install correctly or work correctly. >>> >>> And they are being wishy-washy about when support will be provided. >>> >>> How can they get away with this? Does the "Vista Compatible" >>> certification mean nothing in reality? >>> >>> -Larry

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> What is worse Larry, is that I knew My sidewinder was NOT going to work > 'for shit' with Vista... > AND since it kinda has been left in the bad place since XP service pack2 > (wasn't even technically for XP at all you know...) > > So I know (I bought it) Im going to Vista, because I have to, get used to > it > (already geting calls on "how do I...?") you know... So I buy the G25, > thought you guys said it worked LOL... I didnt double check and I wouldnt > have noitced that small bit on Logi website about game controllers, > looking > at 1st. Damn it, I could have saved 300, since g25 sounds like is as > worthless in Vista as my MS wheel, which at least worked (could NOT change > any settings though) when I upgraded XP to Vista on my test machine.

Could it be that you guys talk about WinVista 64Bit only ? What I heard is that the 32Bit version of Windows Vista works fine. Daniel

larry, did you see version 5 is out? Larry, are you using vista 64 bit? if so it seems the consensus is 64 bit just is NOT good for gaming. did you see this? http://forums.logitech.com/logitech/board/message?board.id=general_gaming&message.id=452 and is it describing what you say your problem is? I mean that yeah the game and wheels work, you just can't change what "keypress" that each certain button sends? if so, oh well that is good enough so far for me. as long as the wheel will work. Larry enlightened us with:

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> The specifications for both the G15 Keyboard and G25 wheel state: > > "Windows� XP or Windows VistaT " > > NEITHER product works properly with Vista. The software for both of > them does not install correctly or work correctly. > > And they are being wishy-washy about when support will be provided. > > How can they get away with this? Does the "Vista Compatible" > certification mean nothing in reality? > > -Larry

My MSFF wheel works fine with XPsp2..

nope. 32 bit It ain't fine. -Larry "Daniel Flinkmann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:45e6b62d$0$7367$[email hidden]...

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> Plowboy wrote: > >> What is worse Larry, is that I knew My sidewinder was NOT going to work >> 'for shit' with Vista... >> AND since it kinda has been left in the bad place since XP service pack2 >> (wasn't even technically for XP at all you know...) >> >> So I know (I bought it) Im going to Vista, because I have to, get used to >> it >> (already geting calls on "how do I...?") you know... So I buy the G25, >> thought you guys said it worked LOL... I didnt double check and I >> wouldnt >> have noitced that small bit on Logi website about game controllers, >> looking >> at 1st. Damn it, I could have saved 300, since g25 sounds like is as >> worthless in Vista as my MS wheel, which at least worked (could NOT >> change >> any settings though) when I upgraded XP to Vista on my test machine. > > Could it be that you guys talk about WinVista 64Bit only ? What I heard is > that the 32Bit version of Windows Vista works fine. > > Daniel >

Yeah, I know about that. They emailed it to me. They are plastering that gibberish everywhere. V5 shipped with the wheel. V5.1 is supposed to be the Vista version. -Larry "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZcDFh.31510$[email hidden]...

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> larry, did you see version 5 is out? > > Larry, are you using vista 64 bit? if so it seems the consensus is 64 bit > just is NOT good for gaming. > > did you see this? > http://forums.logitech.com/logitech/board/message?board.id=general_gaming&message.id=452 > > and is it describing what you say your problem is? I mean that yeah the > game and wheels work, you just can't change what "keypress" that each > certain button sends? if so, oh well that is good enough so far for me. > as long as the wheel will work. > > > > Larry enlightened us with: >> The specifications for both the G15 Keyboard and G25 wheel state: >> >> "Windows� XP or Windows VistaT " >> >> NEITHER product works properly with Vista. The software for both of >> them does not install correctly or work correctly. >> >> And they are being wishy-washy about when support will be provided. >> >> How can they get away with this? Does the "Vista Compatible" >> certification mean nothing in reality? >> >> -Larry > >