Re: Codemasters' Indycar?

>"Kronos" <[email hidden]> wrote > You guys think this one looks promising? I see it's multi-platform so > hope it's not dumbed down or they have a hardcore option for us PC > users. Screenshots look pretty good and I have my hopes up. > http://www.codemasters.com/indycarseries/indycarseries.php It's an IRL game. 'nough said. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> You guys think this one looks promising? I see it's multi-platform so > hope it's not dumbed down or they have a *** option for us PC > users. Screenshots look pretty good and I have my hopes up. > http://www.codemasters.com/indycarseries/indycarseries.php It's an IRL game. 'nough said. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- [link lost in import] -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> It's an IRL game. > > > > 'nough said. Yeah open wheel pointy cars and passing all in one, go figure. MadDAWG

a game even your grandad can play and enjoy. pez "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > It's an IRL game. > > > > > > > > 'nough said. > > > Yeah open wheel pointy cars and passing all in one, go figure. > > MadDAWG > >

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>>"Kronos" <[email hidden]> wrote >> You guys think this one looks promising? I see it's multi-platform so >> hope it's not dumbed down or they have a hardcore option for us PC >> users. Screenshots look pretty good and I have my hopes up. >> http://www.codemasters.com/indycarseries/indycarseries.php > > >It's an IRL game. > > > >'nough said.

Well, quite frankly what exactly does that mean? Will it be a good game or not?

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> > On Wed, 7 May 2003 14:03:48 -0400, "ymenard" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>"Kronos" <[email hidden]> wrote > >> You guys think this one looks promising? I see it's multi-platform so > >> hope it's not dumbed down or they have a hardcore option for us PC > >> users. Screenshots look pretty good and I have my hopes up. > >> http://www.codemasters.com/indycarseries/indycarseries.php > > > > > >It's an IRL game. > > > > > > > >'nough said. > > Well, quite frankly what exactly does that mean? Will it be a good > game or not?

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> On Wed, 7 May 2003 14:03:48 -0400, "ymenard" > >> You guys think this one looks promising? I see it's multi-platform so > >> hope it's not dumbed down or they have a *** option for us PC > >> users. Screenshots look pretty good and I have my hopes up. > >> http://www.codemasters.com/indycarseries/indycarseries.php > >It's an IRL game. > >'nough said. > Well, quite frankly what exactly does that mean? Will it be a good > game or not?

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> On Wed, 7 May 2003 14:03:48 -0400, "ymenard" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>> "Kronos" <[email hidden]> wrote >>> You guys think this one looks promising? I see it's multi-platform >>> so hope it's not dumbed down or they have a hardcore option for us >>> PC users. Screenshots look pretty good and I have my hopes up. >>> http://www.codemasters.com/indycarseries/indycarseries.php >> >> >> It's an IRL game. >> >> >> >> 'nough said. > > Well, quite frankly what exactly does that mean? Will it be a good > game or not?

I am hoping it is, I loved ICR1 and ICR2 by Papy, and would very much like a good current pc title with good physics. -- Don Burnette remove clothes when replying via email

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> On Wed, 7 May 2003 14:03:48 -0400, "ymenard" >>> You guys think this one looks promising? I see it's multi-platform >>> so hope it's not dumbed down or they have a *** option for us >>> PC users. Screenshots look pretty good and I have my hopes up. >>> http://www.codemasters.com/indycarseries/indycarseries.php >> It's an IRL game. >> 'nough said. > Well, quite frankly what exactly does that mean? Will it be a good > game or not?

I am hoping it is, I loved ICR1 and ICR2 by Papy, and would very much like a good current pc title with good physics. -- Don Burnette remove clothes when replying via email

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>> >>It's an IRL game. >> >> >> >>'nough said. > > Well, quite frankly what exactly does that mean? Will it be a good > game or not?

IRL is an abomination. IRL a storebought childrens toy that maims it's drivers. IRL has to BUY it's stars from the real POINTY CAR league. IRL turns only left, with ONLY USA drivers except it can't find enough dirt- trackers who want to try pavement and ONLY races in the USA UNTIL Honda foots the bill to race in Japan. IRL is one man saying play my way or else. IRL is bad mojo. IRL is bad. now with that introduction, what else can I tell you about a league spawned in the depths of hell by the very child of satan himself? Feel free to ask, I'll be my usual honest and forthright self. I promise. dave henrie

http://www.crapwagon.com/ All you need to know about IRL. Dave Henrie wrote:

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> Brian Oster < > >>>It's an IRL game. >>> >>> >>> >>>'nough said. >> >>Well, quite frankly what exactly does that mean? Will it be a good >>game or not? > > > IRL is an abomination. IRL a storebought childrens toy that maims it's > drivers. IRL has to BUY it's stars from the real POINTY CAR league. IRL > turns only left, with ONLY USA drivers except it can't find enough dirt- > trackers who want to try pavement and ONLY races in the USA UNTIL Honda > foots the bill to race in Japan. IRL is one man saying play my way or > else. IRL is bad mojo. IRL is bad. > now with that introduction, what else can I tell you about a league > spawned in the depths of hell by the very child of satan himself? > > Feel free to ask, I'll be my usual honest and forthright self. I promise. > dave henrie >

On Wed, 7 May 2003 18:10:21 -0500, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I am hoping it is, I loved ICR1 and ICR2 by Papy, and would very much like a >good current pc title with good physics. ICR2 was great. Of course, you also turned right on all but 3 tracks. I dunno where the fun would be in an all-oval indycar game. I also don't really see the fun in watching the IRL, so ymmv. Jason

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>Brian Oster < > >>> >>>It's an IRL game. >>> >>> >>> >>>'nough said. >> >> Well, quite frankly what exactly does that mean? Will it be a good >> game or not? > > IRL is an abomination. IRL a storebought childrens toy that maims it's >drivers. IRL has to BUY it's stars from the real POINTY CAR league. IRL >turns only left, with ONLY USA drivers except it can't find enough dirt- >trackers who want to try pavement and ONLY races in the USA UNTIL Honda >foots the bill to race in Japan. IRL is one man saying play my way or >else. IRL is bad mojo. IRL is bad. > now with that introduction, what else can I tell you about a league >spawned in the depths of hell by the very child of satan himself? > >Feel free to ask, I'll be my usual honest and forthright self. I promise. >dave henrie

The wierd thing about the IRL is that they are getting ready to run on the road, going international (did that one), and having non-americans in the cars. Basicaly the reasons Tony gave for splitting from CART are being destroyed hand over fist by implimenting the same damn things.

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> On Wed, 7 May 2003 18:10:21 -0500, "Don Burnette" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> I am hoping it is, I loved ICR1 and ICR2 by Papy, and would very >> much like a good current pc title with good physics. > > ICR2 was great. Of course, you also turned right on all but 3 tracks. > > I dunno where the fun would be in an all-oval indycar game. I also > don't really see the fun in watching the IRL, so ymmv. > > Jason

But, I raced mainly on the ovals :). I wasn't as excited about it until I started going to the IRL night races in Nashville, pretty exciting to watch I thought. -- Don Burnette remove clothes when replying via email

In article <1Rbua.3870$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>>"Kronos" <[email hidden]> wrote >> You guys think this one looks promising? I see it's multi-platform so >> hope it's not dumbed down or they have a hardcore option for us PC >> users. Screenshots look pretty good and I have my hopes up. >> http://www.codemasters.com/indycarseries/indycarseries.php > > >It's an IRL game. > > > >'nough said.

So? Some of us actually *like* the IRL, politics aside. Hopefully, I'll be able to get it when it comes out... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Jason Moyer wrote: > > > I also >don't really see the fun in watching the IRL, so ymmv. > >Sarah Fisher?

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>> I also >>don't really see the fun in watching the IRL, so ymmv. >> >> > Sarah Fisher? > >

Then watch Toyota Atlantics for Danica Patrick. vavavoooooommmm! dave henrie

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> On Thu, 08 May 2003 00:11:02 GMT, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Brian Oster < > > > >>> > >>>It's an IRL game. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>'nough said. > >> > >> Well, quite frankly what exactly does that mean? Will it be a good > >> game or not? > > > > IRL is an abomination. IRL a storebought childrens toy that maims it's > >drivers. IRL has to BUY it's stars from the real POINTY CAR league. IRL > >turns only left, with ONLY USA drivers except it can't find enough dirt- > >trackers who want to try pavement and ONLY races in the USA UNTIL Honda > >foots the bill to race in Japan. IRL is one man saying play my way or > >else. IRL is bad mojo. IRL is bad. > > now with that introduction, what else can I tell you about a league > >spawned in the depths of hell by the very child of satan himself? > > > >Feel free to ask, I'll be my usual honest and forthright self. I promise. > >dave henrie > The wierd thing about the IRL is that they are getting ready to run > on the road, going international (did that one), and having > non-americans in the cars. > Basicaly the reasons Tony gave for splitting from CART are being > destroyed hand over fist by implimenting the same damn things.

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One of the ORIGINAL reasons they split was because CART h/w was too 'spensive. Now the IRL cars are so 'spensive they can't fill the grids. Tthe lack of entries @ this year's 500 (the lowest in years) guarantees the field will include dangerous backmarkers. "ssrat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:57d4e07e23e8f94669cbef0e948a5fa8@TeraNews...

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> On Thu, 08 May 2003 00:11:02 GMT, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Brian Oster < > > > >>> > >>>It's an IRL game. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>'nough said. > >> > >> Well, quite frankly what exactly does that mean? Will it be a good > >> game or not? > > > > IRL is an abomination. IRL a storebought childrens toy that maims

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> >drivers. IRL has to BUY it's stars from the real POINTY CAR league. IRL > >turns only left, with ONLY USA drivers except it can't find enough dirt- > >trackers who want to try pavement and ONLY races in the USA UNTIL Honda > >foots the bill to race in Japan. IRL is one man saying play my way or > >else. IRL is bad mojo. IRL is bad. > > now with that introduction, what else can I tell you about a league > >spawned in the depths of hell by the very child of satan himself? > > > >Feel free to ask, I'll be my usual honest and forthright self. I

promise. > >dave henrie > The wierd thing about the IRL is that they are getting ready to run > on the road, going international (did that one), and having > non-americans in the cars. > Basicaly the reasons Tony gave for splitting from CART are being > destroyed hand over fist by implimenting the same damn things.

Remember: it's not just an IRL game...it's a *Codemasters* IRL game.... "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <1Rbua.3870$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >>"Kronos" <[email hidden]> wrote > >> You guys think this one looks promising? I see it's multi-platform so > >> hope it's not dumbed down or they have a hardcore option for us PC > >> users. Screenshots look pretty good and I have my hopes up. > >> http://www.codemasters.com/indycarseries/indycarseries.php > > > > > >It's an IRL game. > > > > > > > >'nough said. > > So? Some of us actually *like* the IRL, politics aside. Hopefully, I'll

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> able to get it when it comes out... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.950 > MonsterRank: +305.145 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>Remember: it's not just an IRL game...it's a *Codemasters* IRL game.... Yeah, I know. Two strikes already...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Yup, I don't follow the IRL that closely through out the year on TV, but I haven't missed a race yet at Texas in 2 years. Really exciting to watch in person. I bet if I had an IRL game that was somewhat close to N2003 I would probably be a little more into the IRL. Brian Oster On Wed, 7 May 2003 21:38:03 -0500, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Jason Moyer wrote: >> On Wed, 7 May 2003 18:10:21 -0500, "Don Burnette" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >>> I am hoping it is, I loved ICR1 and ICR2 by Papy, and would very >>> much like a good current pc title with good physics. >> >> ICR2 was great. Of course, you also turned right on all but 3 tracks. >> >> I dunno where the fun would be in an all-oval indycar game. I also >> don't really see the fun in watching the IRL, so ymmv. >> >> Jason > >But, I raced mainly on the ovals :). > >I wasn't as excited about it until I started going to the IRL night races in >Nashville, pretty exciting to watch I thought.

On 08 May 2003 13:34:51 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >>Remember: it's not just an IRL game...it's a *Codemasters* IRL game.... > >Yeah, I know. Two strikes already...<g> > >Eldred I was about to ask if that was a good or bad thing... Brian Oster

Dave Henrie wrote: > Feel free to ask, I'll be my usual honest and forthright self. I promise. C'mon Dave, venomous IRL-bashing is so 1998! ;) Besides, when casting stones, just as many can be deflected over CART's way too. Admit it, you're just grumpy because there hasn't been a Viper presence in the IRL since the GTS paced Indy in '96, while CART presumably still utilizes their Viper Pace Car to waste track time in the schedule scaring rich sponsor-types. :D -jde

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> Dave Henrie wrote: > > > Feel free to ask, I'll be my usual honest and forthright self. I promise. > > C'mon Dave, venomous IRL-bashing is so 1998! ;) > > Besides, when casting stones, just as many can be deflected over CART's > way too.

Yeah, but for diffrent reasons. The IRL is a tool for power play while CART is a victim of it. :) > Admit it, you're just grumpy because there hasn't been a Viper presence > in the IRL since the GTS paced Indy in '96, while CART presumably still > utilizes their Viper Pace Car to waste track time in the schedule > scaring rich sponsor-types. :D It's only Fords now in CART. -- Olav Malmin remove .spam when replying

Olav Malmin wrote: >>Admit it, you're just grumpy because there hasn't been a Viper presence >>in the IRL since the GTS paced Indy in '96, while CART presumably still >>utilizes their Viper Pace Car to waste track time in the schedule >>scaring rich sponsor-types. :D > > It's only Fords now in CART. Not for what I was actually talking about... :) http://www.cart.com/Paceteam/Cars.asp The remnants of the old PPG Pace Car program, which wastes hours of track time during the weekend schedule (enough to host another support series). -jde

at least brain in a jar have more credibility than the Wests... pez "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >Remember: it's not just an IRL game...it's a *Codemasters* IRL game.... > > Yeah, I know. Two strikes already...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.950 > MonsterRank: +305.145 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

<<So? Some of us actually *like* the IRL, politics aside. Hopefully, I'll be able to get it when it comes out... Eldred>> I'm with you. Mike

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>On 08 May 2003 13:34:51 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>>Remember: it's not just an IRL game...it's a *Codemasters* IRL game.... >> >>Yeah, I know. Two strikes already...<g> >> >>Eldred > >I was about to ask if that was a good or bad thing... >

Well, the only other game I have by them is Toca2. I tried the demo first. On *my* system, the damn thing was uncontrollable. Almost every time I turned a sharp corner, the car would snap-spin. It totally turned me off to the program. After some people here said the retail was much better, I bought it(bargain bin by then). I was able to get a little better response in the retail version, but I could never drive it confidently. And again, based on Toca2 I can't trust the demo at ALL. So, I don't have much confidence in Codemasters. I'd have rather seen *EA Sports* do it - I'd consider that a better program. We'll see... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> Olav Malmin wrote: > >>>Admit it, you're just grumpy because there hasn't been a Viper presence >>>in the IRL since the GTS paced Indy in '96, while CART presumably still >>>utilizes their Viper Pace Car to waste track time in the schedule >>>scaring rich sponsor-types. :D >> >> It's only Fords now in CART. > > Not for what I was actually talking about... :) > > http://www.cart.com/Paceteam/Cars.asp > > The remnants of the old PPG Pace Car program, which wastes hours of > track time during the weekend schedule (enough to host another support > series). > > -jde > > >

I got to see those pace cars at Portland several years ago. Man are those paintjobs expensive! It pained me to see the Viper leading the best field the devil's money could buy. Anyone see the connection? :) thanks jd for always putting me in my place! dave henrie

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> Olav Malmin wrote: > > >>Admit it, you're just grumpy because there hasn't been a Viper presence > >>in the IRL since the GTS paced Indy in '96, while CART presumably still > >>utilizes their Viper Pace Car to waste track time in the schedule > >>scaring rich sponsor-types. :D > > > > It's only Fords now in CART. > > Not for what I was actually talking about... :) > > http://www.cart.com/Paceteam/Cars.asp > > The remnants of the old PPG Pace Car program, which wastes hours of > track time during the weekend schedule (enough to host another support > series).

Hmm. Well, I was trying to answer your question, but I think I was wrong. It was my understanding that the pace car program would be Fords only aswell. :) -- Olav Malmin remove .spam when replying

>"Kronos" <[email hidden]> wrote > Who cares what he thinks? He's a Quebecois who likes pastel colours. Tehehe. Just look at those Half-Life 2 screenshots, they use lighting and pastel colour palettes to diffuse the light. Just like in real-life. Just like GPL :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Jeez Dave, Lighten up!!! Most people were over the split 3-5 years ago already, yeesh! And... As things stand now, the IRL is more CART-like than CART itself! CART=Spec cars, Spec Engines, Spec Tires, Subsided teams, and ride-buying foreign drivers (sort of what the IRL looked like 5 years ago) And... Once the IRL adds a few road races (which even Roger Penske predicts by 2004-2005) the IRL will have truly become what CART was.

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>"Dave Henrie > IRL is an abomination. IRL a storebought childrens toy that maims it's > drivers. IRL has to BUY it's stars from the real POINTY CAR league. IRL > turns only left, with ONLY USA drivers except it can't find enough dirt- > trackers who want to try pavement and ONLY races in the USA UNTIL Honda > foots the bill to race in Japan. IRL is one man saying play my way or > else. IRL is bad mojo. IRL is bad. > now with that introduction, what else can I tell you about a league > spawned in the depths of hell by the very child of satan himself? > > Feel free to ask, I'll be my usual honest and forthright self. I promise. > dave henrie >

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>And... As things stand now, the IRL is more CART-like than CART itself! > >CART=Spec cars, Spec Engines, Spec Tires, Subsided teams, and ride-buying >foreign drivers (sort of what the IRL looked like 5 years ago) > >And... Once the IRL adds a few road races (which even Roger Penske predicts >by 2004-2005) the IRL will have truly become what CART was. >

Too bad they can't kiss and make up... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Olav Malmin wrote: > Hmm. Well, I was trying to answer your question, but I think I was > wrong. It was my understanding that the pace car program would be > Fords only aswell. :) Your idea makes perfect sense, but I'd say it's a matter of $$$. If Ford throws some more money at them, I bet the entire fleet will become Fords (or Ford holdings). -jde

Dave Henrie wrote: > thanks jd for always putting me in my place! Wait!!! I just thought of the real reason... ...Sam Hornish, Jr. drives a yellow Chevy-powered car, you're having Ron Fellows flashbacks! :-) ;-) -jde

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> Dave Henrie wrote: > >> thanks jd for always putting me in my place! > > Wait!!! > > I just thought of the real reason... > > ...Sam Hornish, Jr. drives a yellow Chevy-powered car, you're having Ron > Fellows flashbacks! :-) > > ;-) > > -jde > >

From what I gather, the Chevy this year is the Mercedes/Ilmor of the CART series. If he's stuck in a Fellows clonemobile, he'll be sightseeing, not racing. dave henrie

"Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:FYMua.267190$[email hidden]: > Jeez Dave, > > Lighten up!!! > Most people were over the split 3-5 years ago already, yeesh! Lighten UP? In the battle between good and evil, I have no time to lighten up! I stand against the tide, raging at the inevitable all for your sakes in the great cosmic scheme.(Damn! the bs meter must be pegging right about now) :> > > And... As things stand now, the IRL is more CART-like than CART > itself! Precisely! Nothing was wrong with the series pre-split EXCEPT 'he whose name I shall not utter' wasn't in charge. > > CART=Spec cars, Spec Engines, Spec Tires, Subsided teams, and > ride-buying foreign drivers (sort of what the IRL looked like 5 years > ago) > Yes it was a miracle that CART managed a field of 18. That CART had to pay for many of those teams is further proof of damage done. I can only think that CART was able to 'steal' Rocketsports because of two reasons. Rocketsports has had a fairly productive relationship with Ford via the Jaguar Trans AM program, and the IRL budgets have really skyrocketed. > And... Once the IRL adds a few road races (which even Roger Penske > predicts by 2004-2005) the IRL will have truly become what CART was. The irl is florishing due to Tobacco sponsorship wanting to be in the Worlds biggest race. If/when Tobacco is banned from such endeavors, where do the Team Penskes and Teams Kool Greens(excuse me, Team Andretti I go where my sponsors say I go/Green) go? How much more $$ will The nameless one have to spread around to keep those teams under his control? The IRL 'would have been a great concept. A fine league in it's own right. But a certain someone used the worlds biggest race as a club. It took a while but the club is wearing down the walls. Pity... Oh and as JDE so clearly pointed out in another message, it's the irl that has the yellow chevy...clearly a sign of devil worship if you ask me. :) (I have had a thing about yellow chevys ever since Rutherford got two wins in a car Al Unser Sr should have been driving after doing all the r&d racing the years previous) See even more connection, Johhny Rutherford was one of the first cheerleaders for the 'Indy and some other tracks' league. Tom Sneva and AJ Foyt being the others. Rutherford has twice as many Indy wins as Mario Andretti yet whose name has been bandied around this past month? AJ? I suspect he'll bolt open wheel racing completely soon if he ever gets his Nascar act together. And Tom doesn't even wake up a motion detector these days. This has nothing to do with anything tho...just thought I'd try and bend the meter some more. Could you imagine the racing we'd have with a Penske mounted Castro-neves vs Sebastion Bordais/Paul Tracey on the CART circuits? That is why I will never accept the unacceptable. Even long after the Indy 500 overwhelms the advertisers. dave

Dave Henrie wrote: > If/when Tobacco is banned from such endeavors, where > do the Team Penskes and Teams Kool Greens(excuse me, Team Andretti I go > where my sponsors say I go/Green) go? While it can be reasonably argued that Honda overtly nudged Michael/Team AGR over to the IRL, KOOL left after last season. This year's green is 7-Eleven green. > (I have had a thing about yellow chevys ever since Rutherford got two > wins in a car Al Unser Sr should have been driving after doing all the r&d > racing the years previous) Jim Hall's back-door Chevy ties were presuambly long gone before the Yellow Submarine came to be. After all, the 2K (and earlier Lola) had a Cossie DFX dropped in the back, as opposed to a small block like Gurney et. al. used, or the Ryan Falconer-developed (with factory blessing) turbo V6 that Lindsey Hopkins (and later A.J.) used. Also, Big Al was sick of Hall's arrogance in taking credit from John Barnard for the 2K, and lack of subsequent development on it. Thus, he left for Bobby Hillin, Sr's Longhorn effort, which I believe built a car off Williams FW-08 plans. > See even more connection, Johhny Rutherford > was one of the first cheerleaders for the 'Indy and some other tracks' > league. He was also arguably on payroll as pace car driver/rookie coach. Not wise to badmouth "Him Who Signs the Checks." ;) Much as Big Al later served as a coach, and Mears does now. Regardless of politics, Lone Star JR was always a great guy to talk to the times I snagged his autograph. His bio from a couple years ago is a great read too. Class act. > I suspect he'll bolt open wheel racing completely soon if he ever gets > his Nascar act together. I'd argue the opposite will be true, given A.J.'s recent Mansell-esque whining about the NASCAR environment. > That is why I will never accept the unacceptable. Even long after the Indy 500 overwhelms the > advertisers. Differences of opinion are cool by me, just stay reasonably close to the facts. I'll give you credit for well-developed conspiracy theories, though. :-) -jde

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> IRL is an abomination. IRL a storebought childrens toy that maims it's > drivers. IRL has to BUY it's stars from the real POINTY CAR league. IRL > turns only left, with ONLY USA drivers except it can't find enough dirt- > trackers who want to try pavement and ONLY races in the USA UNTIL Honda > foots the bill to race in Japan. IRL is one man saying play my way or > else. IRL is bad mojo. IRL is bad. > now with that introduction, what else can I tell you about a league > spawned in the depths of hell by the very child of satan himself?

Wow, that fits IRL so well it should be on their homepage! It has to be said, I'm not a big fan of the gIRLies. Seem to need driving lessons, most of 'em.

Nick wrote: > It has to be said, I'm not a big fan of the gIRLies. Seem to need > driving lessons, most of 'em. Like Andretti v. de Ferran at Phoenix & Dixon v. Kanaan at Motegi incidents among others? :-) -jde

"J.D. Ellis" > Differences of opinion are cool by me, just stay reasonably close to > the facts. I'll give you credit for well-developed conspiracy > theories, though. :-) > > -jde > I'm gonna offend some folks here...you've all been warned.... Jesus was about to be crucified and Pilot asked him if he really was the Son of God. Jesus said, "You want the truth?" Pilot replied, "Of course I want the truth." So Jesus said..."You want the truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH." The moral of this joke I stole from some magazine is.... I've NEVER let the truth stand in my way.... :) dave henrie