Does anyone need a LogiFF ball bearing kit?

At my request, Jens Schumacher is planning to make another run of ball bearing kits for the Logitech Wingman Formula Force. He doesn't have a price yet but anticipates possibly a small price drop. The last price was $69 plus shipping, plus the cost of transferring the money to Malaysia via Western Union. The last time I ordered some kits, the money transfer cost was $15 for one kit or $20 for two kits. If anyone else is interested, we could pool our orders and save significantly on the wire transfer cost. If you haven't tried a ball bearing equipped "Old Red", you've never experienced what FF can do in a good racing sim like GPL, Papy's NASCAR Racing 2003, or the recent EA/ISI sims (F1 2002, F1 Challenge, and the upcoming NASCAR Thunder 2004). Force feedback with a BB LogiFF is awesome. When it's properly set up, you can feel tiny nuances of the track surface and the tire behavior that you've never felt before. You can feel the tail step out, and you can feel the front tires wash out if you push too hard on corner entry. It makes a difference in your lap times as well as your enjoyment of the driving experience. A few days ago I finished a ball bearing conversion for a friend, and using his newly converted wheel, I took 7 tenths of a second off my personal best at Monaco in a Brabham F1 car! The gain was purely because I could feel the front tires' grip level better in two critical corners, Casino and Portier. I've tried many other FF wheels, including Logitech MOMO Racing, Act Labs Force RS, Microsoft, as well as high end passive wheels by Thomas and ECCI, and nothing (except possibly a well-broken-in Force RS) matches a ball bearing-equipped LogiFF. LogiFF's are still available, too. I recently found three of them on eBay, and bought one (I should have bought all three!) JustDeals.com also lists refurbished LogiFF's for a very reasonable price. Ok, sorry if I got carried away! Anyway, if anyone would like to order a ball bearing kit from Jens, let me know, and perhaps we can pool our orders and save some money. Alison From: [email hidden] Reply-To: [email hidden] Remove the spam blocker NOSPAM to email me. http://eaglewoman.maximumspeed.net

I'd be more interested in replacement pots. Where are you getting spare pots from? Achim

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > At my request, Jens Schumacher is planning to make another run of ball > bearing kits for the Logitech Wingman Formula Force. He doesn't have a > price yet but anticipates possibly a small price drop. The last price > was $69 plus shipping, plus the cost of transferring the money to > Malaysia via Western Union. > I have an old Logi red, and was just thinking the other day how cool it would be to get it converted. It has been 'sloppy' for some years now. I could easily afford the parts, but never ever be able to do the conversion myself. I would probably end up buying the goods, and then have them sit around until the end of time. MRSisson -- LOAD "GPL",8,1 RUN

anybody know where I can get the usb adapter for one, if so I would be interesed in the BB kit. Does it come with instructions? Thanks "Michael R Sisson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MPG.1925d641959175cc98968b@nntp...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > At my request, Jens Schumacher is planning to make another run of ball > > bearing kits for the Logitech Wingman Formula Force. He doesn't have a > > price yet but anticipates possibly a small price drop. The last price > > was $69 plus shipping, plus the cost of transferring the money to > > Malaysia via Western Union. > > > > I have an old Logi red, and was just thinking the other day how cool it > would be to get it converted. It has been 'sloppy' for some years now. > > I could easily afford the parts, but never ever be able to do the > conversion myself. I would probably end up buying the goods, and then > have them sit around until the end of time. > > MRSisson > > -- > LOAD "GPL",8,1 > RUN

I thought the old red logi (I have one in the closet but don't want to dig it out) had a serial cable that came with a serial->usb adapter? If so, couldn't you just buy one like this: http://www.usbgear.com/item_288.html -- Joe M. "mjones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > anybody know where I can get the usb adapter for one, > if so I would be interesed in the BB kit. Does it come with instructions? > > Thanks > "Michael R Sisson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:MPG.1925d641959175cc98968b@nntp... > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > At my request, Jens Schumacher is planning to make another run of ball > > > bearing kits for the Logitech Wingman Formula Force. He doesn't have a > > > price yet but anticipates possibly a small price drop. The last price > > > was $69 plus shipping, plus the cost of transferring the money to > > > Malaysia via Western Union. > > > > > > > I have an old Logi red, and was just thinking the other day how cool it > > would be to get it converted. It has been 'sloppy' for some years now. > > > > I could easily afford the parts, but never ever be able to do the > > conversion myself. I would probably end up buying the goods, and then > > have them sit around until the end of time. > > > > MRSisson > > > > -- > > LOAD "GPL",8,1 > > RUN > >

Allison I also have the old red logi FF, and I think it was the best FF wheel made ever, sure the pedals sucked, but in terms of a commerical wheel it great. I think it related to the cable drivern FF, compared to the notchiness you feel in new ones. Do you have any info., on what it takes to conver the wheel or pics etc.? Also you know you can still get the adapters through logitech. On Fri, 9 May 2003 23:38:37 -0400, "Joe M." <[email hidden]> wrote: >I thought the old red logi (I have one in the closet but don't want to dig >it out) had a serial cable that came with a serial->usb adapter? If so, >couldn't you just buy one like this: > >http://www.usbgear.com/item_288.html

The leather wrapped Logitech Momo is a better made and better performing wheel than the old red one (I have both). It offers superior precision and control and has more subtle FF effects. The pedals are also superior to the original red wheel. -- Joe M. "extractor @lycos.com" <=removespam=> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Allison I also have the old red logi FF, and I think it was the best > FF wheel made ever, sure the pedals sucked, but in terms of a > commerical wheel it great. I think it related to the cable drivern > FF, compared to the notchiness you feel in new ones. Do you have any > info., on what it takes to conver the wheel or pics etc.? > > Also you know you can still get the adapters through logitech. > > On Fri, 9 May 2003 23:38:37 -0400, "Joe M." <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >I thought the old red logi (I have one in the closet but don't want to dig > >it out) had a serial cable that came with a serial->usb adapter? If so, > >couldn't you just buy one like this: > > > >http://www.usbgear.com/item_288.html >

The Old jensschumi LogiCorner web page has some descriptions and pics of the kit here, http://jensschumi.tripod.com/LogiCorner.htm Just click on the Ball Bearing link in the left hand menu. I would suggest saving these pages & images for future reference. The new Jens Schumacher Home Page here, http://jensschumi.bravepages.com/ The New LogiCorner here, http://jensschumi.bravepages.com/LogiCorner.htm which I can't seem to access here from Florida. (real slow, on dialup) right now. Hope this is some help. -- Daytona Beach - Winter Speed Carnival 1903 - 1935 1919 - Ralph DePalma Driving Champion and winner of hundreds of races, sets new 1 mile record driving 905 cubic inch V-12 Packard on beach at 149.875 mph. DePalma also sets World Records for distances of 2 to 20 miles and standing mile. His standing mile record of 92.713 mph is unbroken for 36 years.

My MOMO Racing feels almost exactly the same as my beloved old red LWFF, except that the force strength is almost twice as strong. I have to turn the overall effects strength down to 50% on my MOMO racing to re-capture the blissful FF of my LWFF.

Achim, there was a post here few months ago about suitable pots from one big supplier. Unluckily I lost the name and the Data-sheet :-( There might be milling needed to manufacture the D-joint, but on your converted rig you only need to take out the set-screw and use hot-glue to fit the pot. HTH JensSchumi BTW: I would be highly interested on the source too. On Fri, 9 May 2003 18:59:23 +0200, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I'd be more interested in replacement pots. Where are you getting spare pots >from? > >Achim > --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://jensschumi.bravepages.com/ GPLRank: -14.82 Monsters of GPL: sub 95

Hi, I moved the page from tripod to bravepages w/o change. Funny: tripod announced they discontinue their free hosting, but my residuals over there still work. No idea about access in Florida, should be working. I don't plan to shut down the manual, so no need to hurry d/ling the page. Cya JensSchumi On Mon, 12 May 2003 23:11:42 -0400, "REDLINE426" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>The Old jensschumi LogiCorner web page has some descriptions and pics of the >kit here, > >http://jensschumi.tripod.com/LogiCorner.htm > >Just click on the Ball Bearing link in the left hand menu. > >I would suggest saving these pages & images for future reference. > >The new Jens Schumacher Home Page here, > >http://jensschumi.bravepages.com/ > >The New LogiCorner here, > >http://jensschumi.bravepages.com/LogiCorner.htm > >which I can't seem to access here from Florida. (real slow, on dialup) right >now. > >Hope this is some help.

--------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://jensschumi.bravepages.com/ GPLRank: -14.82 Monsters of GPL: sub 95

Hi Jens, thanks for the info. Now if you could remember what pot that was... ;-) Achim "JS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Achim, > there was a post here few months ago about suitable pots from one bigsupplier. > Unluckily I lost the name and the Data-sheet :-( > There might be milling needed to manufacture the D-joint, but on yourconverted > rig you only need to take out the set-screw and use hot-glue to fit thepot.

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> > HTH > > JensSchumi > > BTW: I would be highly interested on the source too. > > > On Fri, 9 May 2003 18:59:23 +0200, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]>

wrote: > > >I'd be more interested in replacement pots. Where are you getting sparepots > >from? > > > >Achim

Here are some potentiometer links that I have, maybe it's one of them, most of these are in the USA FYI. http://www.potentiometers.com/ 'nuff said. CTS pots http://www.ctscorp.com/electro/pot&trim.htm The ole tried & true DigiKey http://www.digikey.com/ and Mouser Electronics http://www.mouser.com CH Products Game Controller parts http://www.chproducts.com/shop/parts.html ALPS potentiometers Logitech pots??? http://www.alpsstore.com/home.asp http://www.futurlec.com/Potentiometers.html NY USA & worldwide it appears Here's a collection of very cheap ones http://www.allelectronics.com -- Daytona Beach - Winter Speed Carnival 1903 - 1935 1919 - Ralph DePalma Driving Champion and winner of hundreds of races, sets new 1 mile record driving 905 cubic inch V-12 Packard on beach at 149.875 mph. DePalma also sets World Records for distances of 2 to 20 miles and standing mile. His standing mile record of 92.713 mph is unbroken for 36 years.