NR2003 Still amazing

I got bored and tried installing NR2003 on my PC which has Vista Home Pro. The program installed fine and added all updates and mods I could find. Installed latest cars I could find. My PC is an AMD FX60 and running a GTX8800. I can't believe how good (amazing) this sim still is. I never really got rFactor run well on any PC, however, GTR2 is flawless and siky smooth. Visually, GTR2 and NR2003 are different breeds but I started a championship season and just having a blast. The latest nVidia drivers for Vista allow me to run NR2003 to all max settings and get frame rates around 115-120. I used a ECCI Trackstar 6000 and it is soooo nice and behaves nicely with Vista. I just hope some day a new Nascar based sim with come that is as good as GTR2. Just don't get the rFactor interface and can't get decent visuals with Vista. rFactor's stockcar in-car visuals is very cool for who ever produced the mod. Now, I am simply just commenting on an experience. No need for everyone to pile on with foul language, or making fun of my ancestry. Just a sim guy having fun but not taking it too serious. <clear high> Rush (the other one)

On Mar 4, 9:42 pm, "Rush" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Now, I am simply just commenting on an experience. No need for everyone to > pile on with foul language, or making fun of my ancestry. Just a sim guy > having fun but not taking it too serious. Some of the stock car mods look/sound really cool (altho I still prefer the clean/desaturated look of N2003's lighting). The physics in all the oval mods I've tried so far are a fucking joke, tho.

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 20:42:36 -0600, Rush wrote: > Now, I am simply just commenting on an experience. No need for everyone to > pile on with foul language, or making fun of my ancestry. Just a sim guy > having fun but not taking it too serious. > Hm, I find it a bit strange that you should have issues with rF performance while gtr2 apparently runs fine. No need to worries though, there's plenty of room for sims of every genre I guess ;-) Uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Mar 5, 3:22 am, Uwe Schürkamp <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Hm, I find it a bit strange that you should have issues with rF > performance while gtr2 apparently runs fine. > > No need to worries though, there's plenty of room for sims of every > genre I guess ;-) > > Uwe > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

I had the same deal. I could get excellent fps and quality with little effort for GTR2 and I have to spend more time fiddling with the settings for rF. Ultimately, I DO get the balance of speed and gfx quality, but it seems harder to do with rF. <shrug>

On Mar 5, 3:22 am, Uwe Schürkamp <[email hidden]> wrote: > Hm, I find it a bit strange that you should have issues with rF > performance while gtr2 apparently runs fine. I had the same problem, initially. When GTR2 came out I copied all of the settings that were shared between each sim's PLR file over to rFactor and it runs like a champ now. It's also a better drive with the skid/scrub sounds turned up to GTL/GTR2 levels. :) I think the problem, in my case, was the number of graphics and sound options in rFactor that aren't accessible from the in-game menus for whatever reason (at least, using the default menu setup).

On Mar 4, 11:10 pm, "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> On Mar 4, 9:42 pm, "Rush" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Now, I am simply just commenting on an experience. No need for everyone to > > pile on with foul language, or making fun of my ancestry. Just a sim guy > > having fun but not taking it too serious. > > Some of the stock car mods look/sound really cool (altho I still > prefer the clean/desaturated look of N2003's lighting). The physics > in all the oval mods I've tried so far are a fucking joke, tho.

What is it about The Pits stock car mod that you guys don't like? Or, at least, don't find realistic? I'm enjoying it so far. The default setups at some tracks turned me off bigtime at first. They didn't just push, they would bottom out or something that made the front wheels lose grip, but it didn't feel like a slide. It didn't feel like anything realistic. With a good setup, however, I think it feels much better than N2003. I can't claim it's more realistic or anything, just that it feels better to me. One thing I really like is the way the tires will go away if you drive too hard. I think oval racing sims in general have been way too forgiving in the tire department. TPSCC seems to require a more realistic approach to driving lines and speeds. I can't comment on SCE. I installed the previous revision but it never would run. Haven't tried the new release either. Pat Dotson

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> On Mar 4, 11:10 pm, "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> On Mar 4, 9:42 pm, "Rush" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> > Now, I am simply just commenting on an experience. No need for >> > everyone to >> > pile on with foul language, or making fun of my ancestry. Just a sim >> > guy >> > having fun but not taking it too serious. >> >> Some of the stock car mods look/sound really cool (altho I still >> prefer the clean/desaturated look of N2003's lighting). The physics >> in all the oval mods I've tried so far are a fucking joke, tho. > > What is it about The Pits stock car mod that you guys don't like? Or, > at least, don't find realistic? > > I'm enjoying it so far. The default setups at some tracks turned me > off bigtime at first. They didn't just push, they would bottom out or > something that made the front wheels lose grip, but it didn't feel > like a slide. It didn't feel like anything realistic. With a good > setup, however, I think it feels much better than N2003. I can't > claim it's more realistic or anything, just that it feels better to > me. > > One thing I really like is the way the tires will go away if you drive > too hard. I think oval racing sims in general have been way too > forgiving in the tire department. TPSCC seems to require a more > realistic approach to driving lines and speeds. > > I can't comment on SCE. I installed the previous revision but it > never would run. Haven't tried the new release either. > > Pat Dotson

jason doesn't like rFactor. He tries something for a few seconds, says it stinks, says things can't be done that others are doing with no problem......and that's about it. His avatar at RSC is a doctored rFactor logo that says careFactor. He thinks rFactor cars spin way too easily. The Pits NASCAR mod seems damn good to me. -- David G Fisher

On Mar 5, 4:57 pm, "Dave F" <[email hidden]> wrote: > jHe tries something for a few seconds, says it > stinks Evidence, please? I think most people who know me would find that statement to be laughable.

I hadn't driving N2003 in quite a while, so last night I loaded it up on my simulator to refresh my memory of what it's like. One of the best things about Papyrus products that is missing from rFactor is the simplicity of installation and ease of getting a good offline racing experience. I went to Dover with a full field with 100% AI and full realism on all settings. Also, with full graphics and sound options at the highest resolutions. It didn't take long to get a reasonably balanced setup. DGF accused Jason of thinking that ISI stock cars spin too easily; well they'll spin on a dime in N2003 also. N2003 is not easy to drive by any stretch. I'm not surprised that people are still using it as their primary sim. All that said, I still feel like The Pits TPSCC in rFactor feels better. What I would point to specifically is feedback telling me what the car is doing. In TPSCC I can 'feel' very quickly when the car starts to push or get loose. In N2003... the only way I can describe it is that I had to wait until it became visually apparent that the car had a handling problem. Car control in N2003 doesn't seem quite as intuitive, and takes more attention to percieve what the car is doing. I'm not sure if my opinion is the result of FF implementation, or of arbitrary graphical limits placed on N2003... See below: This reduced perception of handling response in 2003 may be related to the biggest complaint that I came up with the program last night - the lower limit on field of view is way too high. When using a TH2Go you can't zoom in enough to get rid of the 'fish-eye' effect dictated by the use of single monitors. I have the same complaint about rFactor, BTW. The low limit on FOV in rFactor should be lower, but it's muct better than N2003. Pat Dotson On Mar 4, 11:10 pm, "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> On Mar 4, 9:42 pm, "Rush" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Now, I am simply just commenting on an experience. No need for everyone to > > pile on with foul language, or making fun of my ancestry. Just a sim guy > > having fun but not taking it too serious. > > Some of the stock car mods look/sound really cool (altho I still > prefer the clean/desaturated look of N2003's lighting). The physics > in all the oval mods I've tried so far are a fucking joke, tho.

One man's take on the TPSCC mod. For whatever I cannot get the steering to be as precise as it is in NR2003. I have made some improvements over the last weeks and it's "better", but I still spend far too much time setting up the wheel, not the car. And the really weird part is that the GP79 mod for rF handles perfectly with the same wheel settings (axis sensitivity, deadzones, etc.) I do agree that the car exhibits MORE of the feel of what happens when you overdrive the car. The tires heat up and it gets slick and backing it down cools them and allows you to resume solid laps. NR2003 only showed the effects when the tires were superheated or overly worn. As much as I would like to really dive into TPSCC, I can't get past the fact that the steering controls are all balled up somehow. I checked numerous sites, (THEUSPits had the most posts) for my wheel (TSW2) and found plenty of info about this "wandering" steering issue. Sad part is, much of it contradicted itself. User A says to increase the steering lock while User B says dial it down as low as needed. User C says that the axis sensitivity needs to be high, while User D says the opposite. Aren't we talking about the same wheel? I can see moderate differences in settings based on user feel, but to be total opposite answers is baffling. If the cars drive good in one mod, they should be the same in another. I don't mean that a 750 hp stock car should drive as easy as a 100hp open wheel trainer. But when I can dial in the steering control settings for GP79 and enjoy the hell out of that mod, the same settings SHOULD work for the TPSCC mod.

And NR 2003 supports widescreen. Yet EA Nascar Sim Racing does not, I guess they were to busy finding shitty music to put in the game. IMO NR 2003 is still better. "Rush" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:45eb836b$0$28111$[email hidden]...

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>I got bored and tried installing NR2003 on my PC which has Vista Home Pro. >The program installed fine and added all updates and mods I could find. >Installed latest cars I could find. My PC is an AMD FX60 and running a >GTX8800. I can't believe how good (amazing) this sim still is. I never >really got rFactor run well on any PC, however, GTR2 is flawless and siky >smooth. Visually, GTR2 and NR2003 are different breeds but I started a >championship season and just having a blast. The latest nVidia drivers for >Vista allow me to run NR2003 to all max settings and get frame rates around >115-120. I used a ECCI Trackstar 6000 and it is soooo nice and behaves >nicely with Vista. I just hope some day a new Nascar based sim with come >that is as good as GTR2. Just don't get the rFactor interface and can't >get decent visuals with Vista. rFactor's stockcar in-car visuals is very >cool for who ever produced the mod. > > Now, I am simply just commenting on an experience. No need for everyone > to pile on with foul language, or making fun of my ancestry. Just a sim > guy having fun but not taking it too serious. > > <clear high> > > Rush > (the other one)

Agreed. I race at 1400 x 900 with Teamspeak running, and it is the most immersive PC gaming experience I have ever had. Other racing games may be better or worse, but there hasn't been anything out there to recreate the NASCAR experience as accurately as the Pappyrus sim.